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Title: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 November, 2012, 07:59:39 PM
When fandoms collide!

I know this is little-seen and thought it might be of interest to some here. Seriously, how good was this bloke?

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_029.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_030.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_031.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_032.jpg)

There's something like another 12 pages, but I won't waste my time scanning them all yet in case it turns out nobody's bothered, so... register your interest.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Bolt-01 on 19 November, 2012, 08:05:38 PM
I'd like to see more, Ta.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Greg M. on 19 November, 2012, 08:12:27 PM
Yeah, very cool. Ron's Rimmer is somewhat more heroic-looking than the real thing, and the Cat is, conversely, somewhat more animalistic, but it's fascinating stuff. Despite being a big RD fan, I never actually read the Smegazine - I see they pursued the idea of having Rimmer appear in black-and-white, which was the original plan for the character on tv. Glad they didn't go with that (it wasn't remotely practical anyway.)
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 19 November, 2012, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 19 November, 2012, 08:05:38 PM
I'd like to see more, Ta.

Me, too!

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Zarjazzer on 19 November, 2012, 08:16:42 PM
Lots more -say twelve pages ooh at the very least!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 November, 2012, 09:18:36 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 19 November, 2012, 08:12:27 PM
Despite being a big RD fan, I never actually read the Smegazine - I see they pursued the idea of having Rimmer appear in black-and-white, which was the original plan for the character on tv. Glad they didn't go with that (it wasn't remotely practical anyway.)

Yeah, all the Smegazine strips did likewise - I think it was actually a specific request from Grant/Naylor. It's a nice quirk, but as you say I'm glad the TV series never tried to do the same. It would have aged really badly.

I dug the 'zines out after Series X prompted a renewed passion for all things Dwarf, and was really excited when Ron appeared. It's the only strip he did for them, sadly, and I can't find any other obvious 2000AD links within the pages beyond lots of prog ads - although our very own Darren Stephens draws an Ace Rimmer strip!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 19 November, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
Moremoremoremoremoremore

I hope we see more of his Red Dwarf (ship) - it's gorgeous. I love how in the Smegazine Rimmer was b/w as intended :D
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Daveycandlish on 19 November, 2012, 10:05:19 PM
Great stuff - bring it on!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Albion on 19 November, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
Ooooooooh.......I'm liking that. More more more!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: pauljholden on 19 November, 2012, 10:10:33 PM
WHAT IS THE MIRROR?? WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT THE MIRROR? Don't leave it on a cliff hanger like that, man!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Spikes on 19 November, 2012, 10:25:39 PM
Indeed! More i say, as well!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Professor Bear on 19 November, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
As a person on the internet, I demand more, I demand it immediately, and I demand it for free.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 November, 2012, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 19 November, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
I hope we see more of his Red Dwarf (ship) - it's gorgeous.

Not only that but he tackles Starbug and Blue Midget as well!

Okay, that was pretty unanimous, so here's the rest of part one (this time with a proper cliffhanger). I'll try to scan and upload part two sometime around the end of the week...

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_033.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_034.jpg)
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 November, 2012, 11:20:50 PM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_035.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_036.jpg)
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 20 November, 2012, 12:36:59 AM
Lister reminds me of the Garbage God from the Judge Child. I'd google his name, but I'm off to bed.

PS The art is great.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: TordelBack on 20 November, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
Filmore Faro?

Damnit I had no idea such a thing as this even existed - and it's good!  Sharp script, great art.  Ron's likenesses are excellent, without being remotely slavish or obviously photo-reffed.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2012, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 November, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
Damnit I had no idea such a thing as this even existed - and it's good!

The Smegazine is worth the time of any big RD fan. There is initially some very shoddy stuff in there, make no mistake, but once it finds it's feet the best stuff is brilliant, particularly in voulme II. And surprisingly varied, too - I'd say no more than half the strips are the boys having a typical TV-esque adventure like this 'un.

There are Ace Rimmer strips, Inquisitor strips, GELF strips, even Mister Flibble strips... The best is probably Nigel Kitching's epic Duane Dibley saga, set on the 1984-style Earth from Back to Reality. Duane wakes up to find he survived the group suicide attempt at the end of the episode; that he is actually real, and Red Dwarf was the fantasy; and he is now a wanted man for the killing of the beloved Voter Colonel (and his down-and-out brother). Assisted by a hallucination of the Cat (which only he can see or hear) it later does a Cold Deck and suddenly crosses over with the ongoing Jake Bullet strip, which blew my impressionable young mind at the time, I can tell you.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 20 November, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
I was going to say that when the Cold Deck crossoverthon happened I hadn't felt that way since issue 100 of Sonic the Comic where all the stories bled into eachother. I literally couldn't sit down for days I was so excited.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2012, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 20 November, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
I was going to say that when the Cold Deck crossoverthon happened I hadn't felt that way since issue 100 of Sonic the Comic where all the stories bled into eachother. I literally couldn't sit down for days I was so excited.

God, you're right! Slowly but surely I'm rebuilding my STC collection when funds allow (Richard Elson is sooooo good), but issue 100 is an absolute bugger to get hold of.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 20 November, 2012, 01:07:43 PM
I'm going to tease you horrifically and say that I remember having two copies of it but I think THE DREADED MOTHER chucked them away :P
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 20 November, 2012, 01:18:22 PM
Bah!  Photobucket images blocked in work!!  Nuts - dying to see these pages!!  Hope my meagre iphone download allowance will cope when i view them later.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
I think my mum is to blame for the loss of my own original STC comics - not to mention the mysterious dissapearances of my Ghostbusters comics, my complete Jurassic Park run, and my original Smegazines. Bah! Mums - they give life with one hand and take away childhood comics with the other.

Shaolin Monkey - Let me know if you still have problems later and I can sort you out with an email of the scans or something.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Trout on 20 November, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
Mums - they give life with one hand and take away childhood comics with the other.

Pah! This happened with my mum and a pile of early progs. You kids don't know you're born, etc, etc, mumble...

I've never read this Red Dwarf comic but it looks pretty good. Would it be bad form to post some more?
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 November, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: Supermarine Troutfire on 20 November, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
I've never read this Red Dwarf comic but it looks pretty good. Would it be bad form to post some more?

Beyond this one strip, you mean? It's certainly been more popular than I expected, and the original comic seems even less widely read than I thought. I'm very tempted - and given that it launched 20 years ago this year and folded in 94', I think it would be fair to say I wouldn't be treading on anyone's toes...?
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Trout on 20 November, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
Yes, this is the first I've seen of it. Now that I think of it, I don't think I've read any TV tie-in strips. I've long meant to look for Arthur Ranson's Sapphire and Steele.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: James Stacey on 20 November, 2012, 03:15:55 PM
I sold my smegazines on ebay a few months ago. They are mostly crap with just the occasional diamond.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Spikes on 20 November, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: Supermarine Troutfire on 20 November, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
Arthur Ranson's Sapphire and Steele.

There was talk a couple of years ago about this entire run being collected together and reprinted. As a Sapphire and Steel fan, id love to see that happen. The strip was pretty good stuff if i remember correctly.
Alas, nowt's materialised as yet, and probably never will TBH.

For the curious, some original art pages - HERE. (http://www.bookpalace.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bookpalace.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fss000001.pl%3FTB%3DA%26GB%3D%26SS%3Dranson%26PR%3D-1%26PG%3D%26REFPAGE%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww%252ebookpalace%252ecom%252facatalog%252findex%252ehtml%26PN%3D1&page=search&SS=sapphire+and+steel&PR=-1&TB=A&ACTION=Go%21)

Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Trout on 20 November, 2012, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 20 November, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
For the curious, some original art pages - HERE. (http://www.bookpalace.com/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bookpalace.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fss000001.pl%3FTB%3DA%26GB%3D%26SS%3Dranson%26PR%3D-1%26PG%3D%26REFPAGE%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww%252ebookpalace%252ecom%252facatalog%252findex%252ehtml%26PN%3D1&page=search&SS=sapphire+and+steel&PR=-1&TB=A&ACTION=Go%21)

Oooh! Thanks for that. Tempting.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 November, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
As promised, here's part II, in which our Ron gets to stretch his artisitic wings a bit more -

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_037.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_038.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_039.jpg)
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Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 November, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_041.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_042.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_043.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/Scan_044.jpg)

A crying shame we never saw more his colour work on Dredd.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 22 November, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 22 November, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
A crying shame we never saw more his colour work on Dredd.

Ron's colour work was great, but this ain't it -- colours are credited to Elitta Fell* alongside the letters on the first page.

Cheers!

Jim

*Always wondered whether Elitta Fell and Ellie De Ville were the same person. The names are phonetically similar and the hand-lettering styles were very close. Elitta's lettering suspiciously vanished from the prog around the same time Ellie's started to appear...
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 November, 2012, 11:39:58 AM
D'oh! Thanks Jim.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Trout on 22 November, 2012, 12:47:24 PM
Thanks for part two, Jimbo. I particularly liked the knob gag!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Zarjazzer on 22 November, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
this is simply magnificent stuff. Cheers Dark Jimbo.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Spikes on 22 November, 2012, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 22 November, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
As promised, here's part II

Great stuff! Thanks for taking the time to scan and post these,  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: sheldipez on 29 November, 2012, 11:29:21 AM
I've never seen these before; thanks for the scan!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 November, 2012, 12:21:07 PM
No probs guys - Ron was a superlative artist (as well as seeming like a thoroughly lovely chap) and it seemed a shame that here was more great art from him that very, very few people had probably seen. I couldn't think of anywhere on the 'net where this was more likely to be appreciated.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Wils on 29 November, 2012, 12:24:27 PM
That's great. I never even knew Ron had done these.

In a similar vein, Carlos did at least one strip in a Russ Abbott annual, but I sadly don't actually have a copy.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 November, 2012, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 November, 2012, 12:21:07 PM
I couldn't think of anywhere on the 'net where this was more likely to be appreciated.

Made my day. Twice. Thanks, Jimbo!

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Bolt-01 on 29 November, 2012, 01:16:30 PM
Cheers Jimbo.

I really enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: TordelBack on 29 November, 2012, 07:11:50 PM
Top stuff, cheers Jimbo!
Title: Re: Ron Smith does Red Dwarf
Post by: Skullmo on 02 December, 2012, 07:08:20 PM
Lovely - thanks for that