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Title: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 May, 2021, 06:26:24 AM
So into the second half now - the back 16 if you will and Classic Team aren't messin' about. They intend to hit the second half hard. And it doesn't get much better than Classic Tourney semi-finalists Mike McMahon. I mean is there an artist who's produced more iconic Dredd images? And that's before we consider his Slaine?

Poor Ol' Jack Lynch has the unenviable task of facing off against this titan. We shouldn't feel to sorry for him as Jake Lynch is an artist who has forged an incredible style and power to his art. I'll not lie and say I won't be surprised if he makes much of an impression here BUT that is not for lack of talent.

Time for you to decide your favourite as the droids square up to the tee...

Jake Lynch - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=jakel)

OR

Mick McMahon - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=MIKEM)

Remember for this tourney you have 5 votes to distribute as you please between these two artists, whole numbers only. So you can vote 5 - 0; 4 - 1; or 3 - 2; either way depending on how much more you like one artist's work over the other.

If you can't be doing with that just name your favourite - remember bold tags, or other ways of highlighting always appreciated - and I'll give them 3 votes and nowt to the other droid.

Three day votes, so this one ends morning of Friday 28th May

Remember we only consider work for Tharg in these Tourneys

What the heck is all this about - well we have a thread for that (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.0)

How does this new voting work?  Look here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059536#msg1059536) and why again? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059557#msg1059557)

I don't understand how this works, what are the rules of the Ryder Cup - yep got ya covered there too (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059595#msg1059595)

Anything else just ask and I'll make something up. Most importantly have fun!
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: broodblik on 25 May, 2021, 06:47:48 AM
Jake 3: Mick 2

Jake's art has improved tremendously over the last few years whereas Mick's had digressed. Mick's best work for me was always his run on Slaine not such a big fan of his Dredd work.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: abelardsnazz on 25 May, 2021, 07:00:49 AM
Jake has created some hugely iconic Dredd images. But what a body of work from Mick to be up against - Uncle Ump, Block Mania, Sky Chariots, Howler...

Jake Lynch 1, Mick McMahon 4.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: BPP on 25 May, 2021, 07:14:13 AM
Sorry jake, 4-1 to the genius McMahon.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: TordelBack on 25 May, 2021, 07:47:27 AM
Unfair!  It had to happen to someone, I'm just sorry it was Lynch, probably the brightest star in the up-and-coming sub-category, an artist whose every page is better than the one before in a terrifying tsunami of quality.

But against McMahon, resistance is futile.

Mick 4 - 1 Jake.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Magnetica on 25 May, 2021, 08:40:27 AM
Jake Lynch is one of Tharg's most improved artists; I can see a bit McMahon and a bit of Henry Flint in his work. The highest praise I can give him is I didn't miss Flint at all on the latest series of Proteus Vex.

McMahon is a difficult artist to assess for me. I wasn't really a fan when I started reading 2000AD, but that more because I was more in the Bolland and Ron Smith camps. I came to appreciate his early Dredd later on. It took me a while to get his Slaine; now they are some of my favourite episodes but I still prefer Fabry and Belardinelli.

I don't like the styles he has used for the last 30 odd years. At all. It's just not for me.

But then when I consider the iconic Dredd images, the iconic covers - the Platinum Horde as well as Dredd- then there can only be one winner:

Lynch 1 : 4 McMahon

Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Tomwe on 25 May, 2021, 09:11:44 AM
Jake's a proper solid pair of boots in the current droid lineup but there can only be one original big foot.

Jake Lynch - 1

Mick McMahon - 4
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: AlexF on 25 May, 2021, 09:54:29 AM
Kind of hilarious to have a draw between a past master and one of his most overt disciples. Lynch's work is its own thing now but in the early days he was a solid McMahon/Kennedy enthusiast. Mind, he's very good at it and I do love his elongated figurework. Even after someone on these boards pointed out that he's not much of one for filling in background detail, I find his layouts so pleasing that it doesn't bother me.

Still not quite at the McMahon level though is he...

McMahon 4, Lynch 1
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 25 May, 2021, 11:27:33 AM
I'm going to call this a 3-2 win for McMahon. Slaine and those early Dredds means Mick is unbeatable (unless up against the obvious), but Jake Lynch has developed so much over the years, he has become- along with Flint, D'Israeli, Culbard and Mark Harrison, a top-tier artist of the modern prog. So it was closer than it would have been otherwise. But in the end, yes, Mick.

SBT
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: milstar on 25 May, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
Jake 4
Mike 1
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: paddykafka on 25 May, 2021, 11:58:27 AM
Lynch Athletic (2) McMahon Celtic (3)
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: DrJomster on 25 May, 2021, 12:46:30 PM
I'm going with Mick 3, Jake 2.

Mick's early work is super iconic. (Is that a phrase? I think it is... well it is now!)

But Jake's done some very, very solid work too. His Dredd brings the awesome.

So there we go, 3:2.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: rogue69 on 25 May, 2021, 01:15:08 PM
Jake Lynch - 1 Mick McMahon - 4
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Rogue Judge on 25 May, 2021, 02:54:24 PM
Jake Lynch 1, Mick McMahon 4
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 25 May, 2021, 09:30:11 PM
Jake is an excellent artist.  But man, he's up against McMahon, and McMahon did Sky Chariots and early Block Mania.  Also he clearly inspired Jake Lynch.  Sorry, Jake, you got a raw deal in this draw but...

McMahon 4, Lynch 1.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: I, Cosh on 25 May, 2021, 10:14:45 PM
Nothing wrong with Lynch's art at all but it still feels more the sum of its influences than its own thing. McMahon got bored of doing some of the best comic art ever and invented Howler. Which was even better.

Lynch 0 - 5 McMahon
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Dog Deever on 25 May, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
Lynch 4 McMahon 1

It would have been a 5- nil drubbing tbh, but McMahon's early awesomeness bags him a point from me.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 May, 2021, 06:47:42 AM
Last day here. There's very little middle ground on this one. Very few 3:2s the vast majority of votes are 4 : 1s and most of those one way. If you wish to add to that today is the day to do it and I'll count that up in the morning.

So that said I too want to add to the most popular vote here.This is no slight to Jake Lynch at. He has growned in front of us into a fantastic artist. Not just one Dredd but also his work on Proteus Vex was fantastic and boy can he turn in a wonderful cover. The only thing is he drew Mike McMahon. MIKE -CHUFFIN' - McMAHON one of my top 3 artists on the Prog. Sorry Jake, getting a point is a mighty achievement for any artist.

Jake Lynch 1 : Mike McMahon 4
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: sintec on 27 May, 2021, 10:37:13 AM
Yeah this one is not really a fair fight for Jake. Will have to agree with the consensus and go:

McMahon 4 : Lynch 1
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Jake Lynch on 27 May, 2021, 09:46:42 PM
What the Drokk? When did this happen!?
Lynch 0 - McMahon 5

Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 27 May, 2021, 10:21:44 PM
I am not, and never have been, a fan of McMahon. For reasons which would get me banned, but which are summed up by describing Dredd's boot as made out of Brio blocks.

So Lynch all the way
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: milstar on 27 May, 2021, 10:29:13 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 27 May, 2021, 10:21:44 PM
I am not, and never have been, a fan of McMahon. For reasons which would get me banned, but which are summed up by describing Dredd's boot as made out of Brio blocks.


Me neither. His art in Day the Law Died or Cursed Earth is like big elephant in the room. And his Dredd doesn't look like Dredd at all. Although he improved in later years, I can't stand artists with thin, loose pencils.
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 May, 2021, 06:31:55 AM
VOTING CLOSED

Well when an artist himself pops in to vote for the other talent here we have to listen ... even if its a bit awkward. I hope Jake looked at the vote and even while so many favoured Mike McMahon he saw how clear it was that there was so much love for him... in most case more then he gave himself!

As it is though the headline here is that Current Teams brief lead is closed and we're tied again. Classic Team have stopped Current Teams momentum the question is can they start to build some momentum of their own?

Current Team 8.5 : Classic Team 8.5

Current Team 768 : Classic Team 841
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Dog Deever on 28 May, 2021, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: milstar on 27 May, 2021, 10:29:13 PM
...I can't stand artists with thin, loose pencils.

neatly stacked Joiners Pencils only, I take it?

Quote from: Colin YNWA
Well when an artist himself pops in to vote for the other talent here we have to listen ... 

Alternately, it could be viewed as a deliberate attempt to rig the vote toward McMahon and should be discounted as entirely fraudulent.
5 points off McMahon...
:lol:
Title: Re: Jake Lynch or Mike McMahon - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 17
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 May, 2021, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Dog Deever on 28 May, 2021, 02:30:10 PM

Quote from: Colin YNWA
Well when an artist himself pops in to vote for the other talent here we have to listen ... 

Alternately, it could be viewed as a deliberate attempt to rig the vote toward McMahon and should be discounted as entirely fraudulent.
5 points off McMahon...
:lol:

Stop the count, stop the count...