So there I was, driving off to the workshop this morning (working on a ribena commercial), and there's a movie shoot going on on the way out of town. So I wondered about who it was until I see a bloody Lawmaster parked next to the busiest road out of town without so much as a bit of secrecy. Stuff like that miffs me a tad..
Bloody Typical ::)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 21 January, 2011, 03:12:31 PM
So there I was, driving off to the workshop this morning (working on a ribena commercial), and there's a movie shoot going on on the way out of town. So I wondered about who it was until I see a bloody Lawmaster parked next to the busiest road out of town without so much as a bit of secrecy. Stuff like that miffs me a tad..
Hope you took a picture to show us!
(joke...sorry)
Did it look anything like this?...
http://twitpic.com/3rzrx8 (http://twitpic.com/3rzrx8)
Think we might need a new thread for a new image :D There's going to be some serious analysis of that bad boy
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/228417308.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1295626485&Signature=g0kbrvZHhv%2Fgl%2FCnaQzIvDxTyno%3D)
Wow! Looks pretty sweet!
Very sleek - good that they have stayed away from the boxy original design imo.
It doesn't look the coolest from this angle, but I'm sure it will look the business on screen.
Looks perfectly acceptable to me. Interesting design, although I'm waiting for someone to complain that the wheels aren't big enough or something.
It looks a little small (ie - realistic motorbike size) from this angle, but in context I'm sure it will work fine - it's going to be filmed alongside regular trucks and vans remember - if it was outrageously big, it would look a little bit silly by comparison.
Enhanced the contrast and doubled the size of the pic... This is our first decent look at the Judges' uniform!
(http://carrollm@michaelowencarroll.com/pics/movie-lawmaster1.jpg)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/228417308.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1295627738&Signature=%2FgCsekOq45NYw%2F8d%2FvQszvIUD8o%3D)
For those who can't follow links at work ;)
Heh.. Would you look at that! Nice guns..
Oh fuck, that looks fucking awesome.
Elbow pads look green, which is a nice nod to the original. Shoulder pad also looks closer to the comic version than I'd imagined from the first pic. Utility belt also looks quite faithful, albiet a far more practical looking one.
Love the bike cannons - overall the bike looks very Tron. Hard to judge in profile, but I imagine it's a lot chunkier than it looks from this pic.
Nice. Uniform looks great too.
That's all looks horrible—which is great. What I mean is that this Mega City One is more 'nightmare' than neon-nightmare. Maybe things will change in post, but it's coming across like a shithole of a city that's on the brink, where Judges just about keep things in line.
Increasingly, this also doesn't look Nolan faux-realism to me—it's brutal 1980s-style sci-fi' realism. It's Mad Max and Alien, not Batman Begins. Again, maybe post will change things, but I'm liking the no-nonsense take on the comic so far and its slightly ramshackle nature.
It looks pretty good. From this angle it's to get a full impression. If I had to make a criticism it would be that the handlebars are a bit weedy and toy like. I was hoping we'd get the big over-arching ones from the comic.
Still looks cool though and the Judges uniform is fantastic!
Quote from: IndigoPrime;577458That's all looks horrible—which is great. What I mean is that this Mega City One is more 'nightmare' than neon-nightmare. Maybe things will change in post, but it's coming across like a shithole of a city that's on the brink, where Judges just about keep things in line.
Increasingly, this also doesn't look Nolan faux-realism to me—it's brutal 1980s-style sci-fi' realism. It's Mad Max and Alien, not Batman Begins. Again, maybe post will change things, but I'm liking the no-nonsense take on the comic so far and its slightly ramshackle nature.
Looks awesome, very Electra Glide in Blue. Says badass biker cop all the way. Shame ar' Michael didn't have a hand in the reveal though!!!
QuoteIncreasingly, this also doesn't look Nolan faux-realism to me—it's brutal 1980s-style sci-fi' realism. It's Mad Max and Alien, not Batman Begins.
That's interesting - Michael has referenced the likes of
Predator and
Robocop, so I think overall the movie could be - at least in some ways, a bit of a throwback to eighties action sci-fi - which would be a winner for me!
[spoiler]In fact there's a bit in the script that I interpreted as an homage to
Robocop - an early scene where Dredd 'harmlessly' shoots
through a civilian in order to clip a fleeing fugitive. And bearing in mind that
Robocop is heavily inspired by Dredd, it's kind of like an homage to an homage of the original Dredd comics.[/spoiler]
Very interesting take on the lawmaster...looks great but where the fuck are the handlebars?! Or is it just the angle?
Need to see a better angle. The whole front sculpt looks way too over the top but it may serve some function we can't see here. Agree the handlebars look a little wimpy but I fucking love this.
Definitely agree that this is a far different Mega City One than what we're used to. This place looks like the Judges have already lost...!
Looks awful and a nightmare to ride.Like the green pads though. So far i love half of what im seeing and hate the other half.
Swings and roundabouts.
Not what I expected at all, but I really like that.
:sick:
It's weird, but it's growing on me. Nice guns :D
Is there a knife in that boot? I can't tell ;)
AAAAAAAARGGHH!!!
(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/stretha3.jpg)
Nah, not what I was expecting but hell, I remember my first sight of the tumbler thinking "THATS the batmobile??"
Hell, the batpod from the 2nd bat movie looked pretty naff in stills and was badass in the film.
Really hoping these leaked pics make the studio think "Maybe we should release some nicely lit, professionally posed pics of this stuff"
Not loving it from this pic, but not hating it either. Consider my appetite whetted
That's the most ugly bike I've ever seen - and it looks so cheap... reminds me of Adam West Batman's Bat-Bike with the black/red bulletproof screen.
I miss the handle bars and the exhaust. They gave the bike an iconic look thats missing from that. Plywood fairing on a late 90's GSXR springs to mind http://www.spcomposite.com/html/pic/suzuki-gsxr-750-srad-96-99.jpg
I must admit I was hoping for a more retro chopper/easy rider type look
First impressions are a sense of disappointment and missed opportunity.
I particularly don't like the front, it just dominates despite being fairly featureless apart from the Nike swoosh, which itself seems really out of place compared to everything else we've seen.
I don't mind the back so much, and I think it would have been better if the front had matched that in a stripped-down brutal look.
It just doesn't look designed, more like a concept artist frantically trying to get their pen to work.
Nice guns though.
- Steve
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
That's all looks horrible—which is great. What I mean is that this Mega City One is more 'nightmare' than neon-nightmare. Maybe things will change in post, but it's coming across like a shithole of a city that's on the brink, where Judges just about keep things in line.
Increasingly, this also doesn't look Nolan faux-realism to me—it's brutal 1980s-style sci-fi' realism. It's Mad Max and Alien, not Batman Begins. Again, maybe post will change things, but I'm liking the no-nonsense take on the comic so far and its slightly ramshackle nature.
Couldnt have put it better myself. Theres a certain rawness about the neccessity and practicality of that bike which bodes well with me. Not only that but the Judge uniform Im happy with also as Indigo says "coming across like a shithole of a city that's on the brink" and its that punchy factor which appears all so readily here.
I like it, although I have a few reservations. Oh, and the tyres aren't big enough. ;)
My only concern is this: I REALLY hope the movie and the comics preserve there own unique aesthetics. I don't particularly want to pick up a Judge Dredd trade in a year or two and find the designs have gone totally crazy in efforts to keep in with the movie.
Quote from: bluemeanie on 21 January, 2011, 05:23:20 PM
AAAAAAAARGGHH!!!
(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/stretha3.jpg)
Nah, not what I was expecting but hell, I remember my first sight of the tumbler thinking "THATS the batmobile??"
Hell, the batpod from the 2nd bat movie looked pretty naff in stills and was badass in the film.
Really hoping these leaked pics make the studio think "Maybe we should release some nicely lit, professionally posed pics of this stuff"
Not loving it from this pic, but not hating it either. Consider my appetite whetted
Bloomin 'eck! Isn't that Streethawk?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 21 January, 2011, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: bluemeanie on 21 January, 2011, 05:23:20 PM
AAAAAAAARGGHH!!!
(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/stretha3.jpg)
Nah, not what I was expecting but hell, I remember my first sight of the tumbler thinking "THATS the batmobile??"
Hell, the batpod from the 2nd bat movie looked pretty naff in stills and was badass in the film.
Really hoping these leaked pics make the studio think "Maybe we should release some nicely lit, professionally posed pics of this stuff"
Not loving it from this pic, but not hating it either. Consider my appetite whetted
Bloomin 'eck! Isn't that Streethawk?
Yeah and even though its over 20 years old still looks better than that 'effort'. Officially deflated. Minty,it's up to you now.
Looks rather front heavy which I guess is a bit of a nod to the original. I wonder if it has a huge front light. Got to say at this point though, I find it a rather odd design but like everyone else, I look forward to seeing more.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 21 January, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
Increasingly, this also doesn't look Nolan faux-realism to me—it's brutal 1980s-style sci-fi' realism. It's Mad Max and Alien, not Batman Begins. Again, maybe post will change things, but I'm liking the no-nonsense take on the comic so far and its slightly ramshackle nature.
That's what I'm thinkin', it looks like a
Dredd film that was made in the 80's, which is interesting, I'll reserve anymore criticism till I see the rest of the bike from different angles -whether anything is added in post-prod etc- as I share some of Steve G's reservations about design imbalance but that uniform looks damn good and I like the grungy vibe to it all.
I like it! Looks nice and beat up, and actually more sci-fi than I expected. I really thought they would just go for pretty standard bikes, and I wouldn't have minded that at all. This works for me though, and I'm thrilled it has bike cannons :)
Only minor criticism from me (and I do mean tiny) is that with this being my first full body view of the uniform it looks a wee bit too bulky. Saying that, might be a tubby judge on that bike, or even a stuntman with extra padding.
The backpiece on the uniform makes him look like a Ninja Turtle.
I think I'm liking the bike, but can't really tell yet.
Yeah, the tubbiness was one of the things I thought might be a problem when the first pic surfaced...
Is that a walkie-talkie I see on the belt as well?
Lookin' at the extra chin, I don't think that's Urban. Fanwankishly speaking, it could be one of the earlier Lawranger models.
Presumably this means they were filming during the day, or was this rehearsals?
I think a night shoot would be much kinder on the bike...
I cant say i like the look of that bike very much and the main problem is the fairing on the front of the bike and the handlebars.It looks like it has a longer wheelbase than a normal bike and i am not sure what it would be like taking a corner at high speed.The position of the rider of the bike doesnt look right because you want to be low down and leaning forward rather than perched upright like that but it looks like its the only way to ride it because of the handlebars and fairing.
QuoteIs that a walkie-talkie I see on the belt as well?
I assumed that was a mic or a walkie talkie - ie not a prop but a practical thing that won't be seen in the film.
It does seem like a weird compromise between sitting back like a harley, but the design seems to emphasise that it would be better to be crouched forward.
My first rather disappointing thought was that it looked like something I'd expect to see in Megaforce. I'm not really a fan based on this one image but I'm interested in seeing more, and it'd help if it actually looked solid and roadworthy onscreen. Let's just hope this Lawmaster stays on the ground!
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BLwe7UqUX7k/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 06:16:51 PM
QuoteIs that a walkie-talkie I see on the belt as well?
I assumed that was a mic or a walkie talkie - ie not a prop but a practical thing that won't be seen in the film.
No, it looks like a walkie-talkie. A radio-mike would never be so obvious looking cos they can be hidden and rarely used for dialogue or natural sound on such a noisy prop like a motorbike.
I wonder if this has been designed to look like the centre of a judge helmet from the front: the "tick" on the bottom half being one half of the nose piece, the bulky bit at the top being the lead in to the respirator.
Yeah, I guess so.
Not a fan of that in the comic either, really.
E.g. Manta tanks.
I like it and I guess I'm in the minority here, but I wish the back was built up a bit more to match the front.
I alo assume thats a stunt driver and not Dredd. The shoulder pad looks good though. :)
Quote from: Cthulouis on 21 January, 2011, 06:24:44 PM
I wonder if this has been designed to look like the centre of a judge helmet from the front: the "tick" on the bottom half being one half of the nose piece, the bulky bit at the top being the lead in to the respirator.
They are trying to give it cohesion and that's fine, it's just the bulk at the top is incongruent with the small handlebars and the back of the bike otherwise it's fine.
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 January, 2011, 06:17:38 PM
It does seem like a weird compromise between sitting back like a harley, but the design seems to emphasise that it would be better to be crouched forward.
With the handlebars in that position it looks similar to a Harley except you cant lean back when you ride it and the handlebars look to far back to lean or lie forwards like you would on a racing bike and apart from the longer wheelbase it looks like it is built for speed yet you would not be able to ride that bike at high speed very well at all.
Its a bit of an odd arrangement which is the main reason for my dislike of it rather than the design of it in general.If it was designed with the riding position of a racing bike then i would be a lot happier with it as the fairing isnt all that bad [although i dont like the fact there is no space inside the fairing] as the design does kind of work once you get used to it as it does work as a piece of futuristic design.
The handlebars extending out of a hole in the top of the fairing is a No No from a design point of view as it makes me think that there should be a coin slot on the side of the bike.
No, no, no.
It's a motorbike with a box shoved on the front, ridden by a wrestler from 1975. Oh good grud.
SBT
No hyperbolic exaggerations please. ;)
QuoteIt does seem like a weird compromise between sitting back like a harley, but the design seems to emphasise that it would be better to be crouched forward.
The more I look at it, the more I think that in the movie Dredd won't actually ride the bike sitting upright like that - perhaps there are some other handlebars that we can't see in this shot? It would look a lot cooler and sleeker if he were riding it
Tron-style.
As for the other comments about the design; context, people, context. Any prop would look a bit ropey if shot in that unflattering way - I'm sure in the film it will look shit hot.
1976?
hhmm...kinda agree with others, too much going on in the front end...but I'm starting to believe the "Gritty" Mega City 1 Urban Nightmare setting.
Thought it would end being a type of TRON type bike that the driver could bend forward for high speed pursuits.
Hope it looks better from the front. Uniform looks great to me despite the bulkiness prob due to stunt padding.
Security asleep on the job again.....well done IMG for protecting your property...I'm afraid others will definately slant the film after this shot.
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
perhaps there are some other handlebars that we can't see in this shot?
Crypto-handlebars, whoever would have thunk it?
I like it, a lot better than the Stallone scooters.
I don't hate it, I don't love it. It looks good, you wouldn't sit down and watch the movie knowing nothing of the comics and say 'wow that looks really out of place and stupid'. But it doesn't have some of the distinctive features that most artists gave the lawmaster. And after reading the first few pages of the script, given the description of the bike included, I expected it to be more 'fat wheeled'. That is possibly the thing about it that dissapoints me the most but hey, I don't mind too much. It looks good.
Looking at it a few times now and I think I would be quite happy with it if it had big chunky handlebars
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
QuoteIt does seem like a weird compromise between sitting back like a harley, but the design seems to emphasise that it would be better to be crouched forward.
The more I look at it, the more I think that in the movie Dredd won't actually ride the bike sitting upright like that - perhaps there are some other handlebars that we can't see in this shot? It would look a lot cooler and sleeker if he were riding it Tron-style.
As for the other comments about the design; context, people, context. Any prop would look a bit ropey if shot in that unflattering way - I'm sure in the film it will look shit hot.
There's only so much they can do with it to make it look good. I'm just glad the majority of the film is indoors, judging by what the vehicles are looking like.
http://twitpic.com/3rzuup
Another shot from the set just of the 3D VT setup.
The wheels/tyres are passable, but not much else. Overall a weak sloppy design. The handle bars are by far the worst part of it. Hate the box on the front! Need to see a front view. Perhaps that box on the front is another seat so Dredd can give people rickshaw rides back to the police station.
What Dredd's bike should look like in an alternative universe "REDNECK DREDD". :lol:
It has the chunky wheels, the menace and I can't imagine any perp messing with Dredd on that :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPkDsox864E&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPkDsox864E&feature=player_embedded)
Could it be possible that the handlebars are similar to a speeder bikes in star wars..as you push them forward to engage in a more natural riding position?
I'm not sure how many people thought to do this, but you can see the pic mega big here:
http://twitpic.com/3rzrx8/full
I'm reserving judgement, I remember the initial reaction to Batman's batbike thing and it turned out alright. Plus, as others have said - broad daylight, profile shot? NO-ONE looks good in a photo like that.
-pj
My first thoughts on seeing it: what an awkward, ugly looking contraption.
If they're going for a 1980's sci-fi vibe as some boarders have suggested, perhaps they should go all the way and forget about 3D and just release the movie on a VHS tape. ;)
Seems like they would be better served getting some decently staged photos out there, rather than sending C&D notices...
We get to see more detail on the enlarged photo, but it hasn't changed the awful shape of the bike... we do get to see the coin slot though!
First impression was "Oh, Dear!". The more I look at it, the more I like it. From a design point of view it's more aerodynamic than the comic version (the drag created by the Eagle and the headlight must be bugbear on Justice Dept fuel budgets.), so I can understand the realisation from that point of view.
Another hypothesis is that as this film seems based on earlier Dredd, the design ethos lends itself to possible evolution of both the uniforms and vehicles in sequels, hence the smaller shoulder pad, etc.
I'm not going to take anything at face value. The shots we've seen so far have been out of context and not lit sympathetically. I'm pretty sure this will look great on the big screen.
"Dredd" is going to cool. :D
The shadow under the bike suggests the handles stick out a little bit further than the weird perspective suggests.
If it's a stuntman on the bike (which might be the case given the really bulky padding) then it's perfectly possible that the bikes for the stuntwork have the handlebars set-up differently, for safety/ease of riding rather than the aesthetic design of the 'hero' bike.
Might not be the case, and I certainly don't have a problem with it the way it is.
They need to replace who ever was in charge of vehicles in the next film IF they make one,everything else is fine.The uniform is passable,no complaints but i just can't get over the cars and that 'bike'.My Suzuki GZ looks more like Dredds ride than that.
Quote from: willthemightyW on 21 January, 2011, 06:54:29 PM
I expected it to be more 'fat wheeled'. That is possibly the thing about it that dissapoints me the most but hey, I don't mind too much. It looks good.
I think the wheels actually might be quite fat. They're just rather small in circumference. The handlebars look like they're set too far back to me, and the bike looks rather small in relation to the rider. It's not a bad design overall though.
As for the uniform... it looks a bit too bulky and... 'bitty' (for want of a better word). By that, I mean the armour doesn't so much look like a part of the uniform more like chunks have been added. I know the judges have always had their armour and padding as extra add-ons (strap on pads, etc) but they looked like they belonged. I see what they're going for though, and it's not a breaker for me. I think we can judge (har har) better when we see a full standing body shot.
QuoteI expected it to be more 'fat wheeled'. That is possibly the thing about it that dissapoints me the most
How can you tell how fat the wheels are from a profile shot?
QuoteIf it's a stuntman on the bike (which might be the case given the really bulky padding) then it's perfectly possible that the bikes for the stuntwork have the handlebars set-up differently, for safety/ease of riding rather than the aesthetic design of the 'hero' bike.
Yes, this is what I was getting at - the bloke is clearly just taxiing the bike between sets - for all we know the 'real' handlebars could be where I've marked on the photo:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/radiator_2006/228417308a.jpg)
Well if the bloke is just taxiing the bike between sets, why is he dressed in a judge uniform? I don't buy this dual handlebar theory. It's just wishful thinking.
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 07:39:10 PM
How can you tell how fat the wheels are from a profile shot?
Ha, yeh, sorry. I've just noticed something, this may have been mentioned, is it just me or is the front whell smaller than the back wheel.
It kinda reminds me of the Japanese Hondo-City bikes.. can anyone dig out a pic from one of those bikes from "Our Man in Hondo" story to compare? :P
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/radiator_2006/228417308a.jpg)
I'm getting flashbacks of Timecop and Megaforce.
I think it will work in the movie though - I imagine they are going for a Robocop feel to this film and I'm sure if you photographed props from that out of context they'd look cheap and crappy too. :)
Quoteis it just me or is the front whell smaller than the back wheel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U)
;)
I don't think it looks as bad as some of the doomsayers are making out. It's a fat stuntman sat on the bike between shots. It will look very different in the actual film.
Let's wait til we've seen more of it (and at least until we've seen an in-character Karl Urban sat on it) before we write it off completely.
Still rather have this
http://www.stephendgreen.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/lawmaster_wip_k.jpg
I want to like it - some bits are good but overall it just doesn't seem to sit right somehow.
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
Quoteis it just me or is the front whell smaller than the back wheel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U)
;)
Haha. I may have embarresed myself just a tad there. But still, from an almost profile shot, the front wheel does seem smaller and it's not that greatly effected by perspective.
I should probably stop saying things.
Nah.
If they'd got closer to the Jim Murray redesign that were knocking about that would have been cool, but even that would have stood out with the contemporary vehicles being used for the rest.
Neither the original retro lawmaster, or what they've come up with are the right fit for their Dredd. IMHO.
Well as a self confessed doomsayer, I think it's a fair call to say the bike looks disappointing. I just did an image search for 'Dredd bike' and ended up here:
http://www.taylormade-wheels.co.uk/harley.php
I can see quite a few bikes on that page which give this weak effort a good flogging. What WERE these DNA people thinking?
I'd have to see more angles before making a judgment on the design. It must be a total bastard to ride though, the geometry is mad. A long drag style swing arm and stretched front end with massively wide tyres will make it incredibly unwieldy. You notice the "No Left Turn" sign behind him? Left or right, doesn't matter, you'd have to three point turn to get round a roundabout.
I like what we can of the uniform in addition to the earlier photo.
Quite.
I like this one
(http://www.taylormade-wheels.co.uk/harleys/6.jpg)
They should have hired this guy:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7gYNb3GSh4M/SekfY_4FSbI/AAAAAAAAMSo/G3flhreJS7Q/s400/judgedredddude07.jpg)
It looks a bit small too me though the flat angle doesn't help. That said it's certainly an original looking piece.
Quote from: minus on 21 January, 2011, 08:04:26 PM
Well as a self confessed doomsayer, I think it's a fair call to say the bike looks disappointing. I just did an image search for 'Dredd bike' and ended up here:
http://www.taylormade-wheels.co.uk/harley.php
I can see quite a few bikes on that page which give this weak effort a good flogging. What WERE these DNA people thinking?
Yeah,too right,this in navy blue with an eagle on the front
http://www.taylormade-wheels.co.uk/harleys/4.jpg
Obviously been designed by somebody who has never ridden a motorbike.
QuoteI can see quite a few bikes on that page which give this weak effort a good flogging. What WERE these DNA people thinking?
Well, I'd imagine that they don't have the budget to custom-build the many bikes they'll need for the production from scratch, so it's not really a fair comparison.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 07:34:49 PM
They need to replace who ever was in charge of vehicles in the next film IF they make one,everything else is fine.The uniform is passable,no complaints but i just can't get over the cars and that 'bike'.My Suzuki GZ looks more like Dredds ride than that.
I'm sure if you have a spare couple of million to donate for larger, more impressive vehicle construction/hire/outfitting, they'll happily accept.
I don't remember Dirty Frank being in the 90s movie.
The front is too big, it looks silly.
Now that we have a better look at the uniform though, I like it a bit more.
I seriously doubt it'll be the Dredd film I want, but I hope it'll be the retro 80s bloodbath I want.
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 08:22:43 PM
QuoteI can see quite a few bikes on that page which give this weak effort a good flogging. What WERE these DNA people thinking?
Well, I'd imagine that they don't have the budget to custom-build the many bikes they'll need for the production from scratch, so it's not really a fair comparison.
Sorry that is bullshit! If you have the attitude that you are going to create props that are not going to be faithful to the comic, the first thing I would have done is look at what is already out there. Go along to some custom bike shows and find a bike which will do the job. I'm sure the owners of those machines would have no problem having their 'beasts' starring in a movie. Hell you could probably pay them in speed too! And I dare say they could have supplied some pretty nice looking firearms too. There are plenty of bikes which would have looked great without doing much more than putting an eagle sticker on the fuel tank. This prop we have seen is unacceptable.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 08:26:01 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 07:34:49 PM
They need to replace who ever was in charge of vehicles in the next film IF they make one,everything else is fine.The uniform is passable,no complaints but i just can't get over the cars and that 'bike'.My Suzuki GZ looks more like Dredds ride than that.
I'm sure if you have a spare couple of million to donate for larger, more impressive vehicle construction/hire/outfitting, they'll happily accept.
Sarky! there are many vehicles that could have been used that look far better than what i have seen,no excuse and well within budget.
http://www.asiatradingonline.com/images/Cougar.jpg
That was in D9,smaller budget than Dredd.
http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=1583&jackal-new-vehicle.jpg
http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/LAND_Cougar_Mastiff_Driving_School_lg.jpg
I could go on,no excuse,like i said D9 30 million budget.
Quote from: minus on 21 January, 2011, 08:32:11 PM
Sorry that is bullshit! If you have the attitude that you are going to create props that are not going to be faithful to the comic, the first thing I would have done is look at what is already out there. Go along to some custom bike shows and find a bike which will do the job. I'm sure the owners of those machines would have no problem having their 'beasts' starring in a movie. Hell you could probably pay them in speed too! And I dare say they could have supplied some pretty nice looking firearms too. There are plenty of bikes which would have looked great without doing much more than putting an eagle sticker on the fuel tank. This prop we have seen is unacceptable.
Yeah, rrrigght.
I reckon Orange County Choppers could have made a great Lawmaster ;)
I'm sure 2000AD ArtDroid Dougie Braithwaite drew something similar in a Dredd story about a Block Party.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 08:35:26 PMI could go on,no excuse,like i said D9 30 million budget.
But they aren't making
District 9, different film, different concerns. Do you know the budget breakdown for
Dredd, what they could spend and on what?
You have to remember that everyone who posts on the board is always right about everything, so any disagreements which occur are actually the result of alternative realities overlapping in cyberspace.
The reaction so far to this bad angle, blurry pic has been...mixed.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 08:35:26 PMI could go on,no excuse,like i said D9 30 million budget.
But they aren't making District 9, different film, different concerns. Do you know the budget breakdown for Dredd, what they could spend and on what?
i know they have 15 mill more and the vans and bike look shit(my opinion to which i'm entitled) ,but to answer your question no i don't,do you?
As it stands im 50/50 on this,nice outfit and sets from what i've seen just the vehicles seem half arsed.
Factor in shooting in 3D, take away no CGI Aliens, add more sets, take away spaceships.
Apples and Oranges really.
I'm not defending the style choice for the vehicles, but none of us have any idea how much was allocated to the budget for vehicles...
think it will grow on me as the uniform did remembering i'm burned with the comic image from the last 30 odd years in my brain.only critiscism of the bike is the front end looks too tall like it could drag aerodynamically and be a bugger to see over but liking it all nontheless :D didnt mike do some work on the lawmasters? if so be nice remeber the furore over calling creator stuff "shit" and driving some off the boards, think we should be a bit more respectful with stuff we see or risk looking like some of the more recent pillocks who seem happy to slate off everything without posting anything positive.
and it is a bit crap someone has posted this major spoilery pic when mike lost his job over a few pics of guns
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 08:35:26 PMI could go on,no excuse,like i said D9 30 million budget.
But they aren't making District 9, different film, different concerns. Do you know the budget breakdown for Dredd, what they could spend and on what?
i know they have 15 mill more and the vans and bike look shit(my opinion to which i'm entitled) ,but to answer your question no i don't,do you?
No, that's why I'm not telling them how they should make the film.
Michael only did the bike cannons AFAIK.
I have a question. Why does Marvel promote its movies like Thor Spiderman and Xmen First Class with slick nicely lit stills and we have to make do with spy pics. What's going on DNA?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 08:35:26 PMI could go on,no excuse,like i said D9 30 million budget.
But they aren't making District 9, different film, different concerns. Do you know the budget breakdown for Dredd, what they could spend and on what?
i know they have 15 mill more and the vans and bike look shit(my opinion to which i'm entitled) ,but to answer your question no i don't,do you?
As it stands im 50/50 on this,nice outfit and sets from what i've seen just the vehicles seem half arsed.
No, that's why I'm not telling them how they should make the film.
Neither am i,nor am i going to happily be spoon fed lazy designs.
Agree to differ :)
Forget the crap pic of that bike, imagine it speeding down a skedway at night, front on view, the eagle shimmering in front, Dredd crouched persueing perps, Anderson behind barely missing the oncoming traffic just about keeping up, shots firing, metal grinding, locators pop up on the bikes holo screen...etc etc The thing is this bike coupled with the CGI in the right locale doing what it will do will look pretty sweet im sure.
Could it be that the film producers said to themselves 'We have a budget- what are we and the audience going to see most of the time?'
Since [ and I have not read the script] most of the action takes place inside a Mega City Block I assume you see the Bikes near the beginning and then maybe on some incidental Judge pulling up to the Block where Dredd and Anderson are trapped. Maybe at the end with our heroes riding off into the radioactive Mega City sunset.
So the Producers are bound to spend a lot more on the Block scenes than on exterior shots and maybe that's why they decided to 'downsize' the LawMaster.
This isn't quite the Monster Truck LawMaster bike I was expecting but like the helmet that seemed slightly too big it will fade with familiarity. I won't pretend I'm not dissapointed but I'm sure as always we're not seeing the whole picture here.
Sorry mate but Minty has a tiny budget and they got it right.Like the suit though,not all hate.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Sorry mate but Minty has a tiny budget and they got it right.Like the suit though,not all hate.
We have a budget? Damn, I wondered how Steve could afford the can of Pepsi.
The judge uniform looks pretty good. The helmet and the shoulder pads look about the right size too. I'm trying to ignore the fat stunt guy.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Sorry mate but Minty has a tiny budget and they got it right.Like the suit though,not all hate.
Minty looks great as a comic book style translation from the seen footage but they didn't build any road worthy practical bikes as far as I know.
Quote from: Teivion on 21 January, 2011, 09:29:15 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Sorry mate but Minty has a tiny budget and they got it right.Like the suit though,not all hate.
We have a budget? Damn, I wondered how Steve could afford the can of Pepsi.
Pepsi?
Filth, it's Coke Zero or Diet Coke only :)
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 January, 2011, 09:36:51 PM
Quote from: Teivion on 21 January, 2011, 09:29:15 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Sorry mate but Minty has a tiny budget and they got it right.Like the suit though,not all hate.
We have a budget? Damn, I wondered how Steve could afford the can of Pepsi.
Pepsi?
Filth, it's Coke Zero or Diet Coke only :)
also known as fizzy water. :crazy:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Sorry mate but Minty has a tiny budget and they got it right.Like the suit though,not all hate.
Minty looks great as a comic book style translation from the seen footage but they didn't build any road worthy practical bikes as far as I know.
Well we could always stick the blue box Edmund was using on a few skateboards...
Dan has built practical drivable vehicles though.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendgreen/4039861811/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendgreen/4039861811/)
If I ever win the lottery, I'll get Dan to build a lawmaster...
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Sorry mate but Minty has a tiny budget and they got it right.Like the suit though,not all hate.
Minty looks great as a comic book style translation from the seen footage but they didn't build any road worthy practical bikes as far as I know.
That LM looks sweet tearing down the road in the trailer though...and it is doable,wouldn't have cost much more than the 'new' design,few grand perhaps.Anyway enough geeking out for me tonight....
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 09:47:18 PMThat LM looks sweet tearing down the road in the trailer though...and it is doable,wouldn't have cost much more than the 'new' design,few grand perhaps.Anyway enough geeking out for me tonight....
A few grand?
A practical version of the Minty/classic bike couldn't be built and ridden, that was always the problem. You can't steer it! Those handlebars with those wheels? and modified "Batpods" -ideal- cost a fortune: $100,000.
(http://www.geekologie.com/2010/07/27/batpod-1.jpg)
They would always have to modify the original.
Nah not buying that,seen many a modded bike done for far less. Big frame cruiser with fat wheels as seen in the previous link with a fiberglass body kit,job done.The batpod is a unique design that was built from the ground up hence the hefty price.
And there is no way on earth that the new LM could go round a corner at any speed,looks plain dangerous to ride.
now im off...
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 10:03:57 PM
Nah not buying that,seen many a modded bike done for far less. Big frame cruiser with fat wheels as seen in the previous link with a fiberglass body kit,job done.The batpod is a unique design that was built from the ground up hence the hefty price.
No average modded bike has that steering mechanism with those size tyres -back and front- which is the point. The examples you linked earlier all had skinny front wheels too and and still wouldn't look that much like the original/Minty if modded.
(http://visboo.com/img/24052010/44656.jpg)
Monster 360 tyres,modded swing arms,done
http://www.harleycustom.co.uk/L2-Vee_Rubber_Custom_Motorcycle_Monster_Tyres_-_Tires-25-46.html
no batpod needed
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 10:15:49 PM
Monster 360 tyres,modded swing arms,done
http://www.harleycustom.co.uk/L2-Vee_Rubber_Custom_Motorcycle_Monster_Tyres_-_Tires-25-46.html
no batpod needed
As I all ready said no average bike-mod has fat tyres
front and back always combo either large front or large back much like the new
Dredd one and. You still can't have the classic Lawmaster style handlebars as a mod. The tyres on the Batpod are far larger.
Odd. And makes no sense design wise.
But I'm prepared to join the "Oh dear, just be grateful" camp.
Quote from: Dunk! on 21 January, 2011, 10:30:53 PM
Odd. And makes no sense design wise.
But I'm prepared to join the "Oh dear, just be grateful" camp.
yup we should be grateful we have a ermm lawmaster :)
I do wonder what the practicalities (or not) of not even bothering with a rideable bike are.
Whether something that's rigged on a flatbed or lowrider type of affair, would work for medium to closeups, and just CGI the long shots... or not.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 10:15:49 PM
Monster 360 tyres,modded swing arms,done
http://www.harleycustom.co.uk/L2-Vee_Rubber_Custom_Motorcycle_Monster_Tyres_-_Tires-25-46.html
no batpod needed
As I all ready said no average bike-mod has fat tyres front and back always combo either large front or large back much like the new Dredd one and. You still can't have the classic Lawmaster style handlebars as a mod. The tyres on the Batpod are far larger.
I'ts forks that make a bike turn badly not handlebars,chopper forks are bad at turning,nothing at all to do with forks,granted they don't help but its the forks that cause most problems.I know this because i have one. The tyres on the new LM are fine its the look,fairing,bars eg that i have a problem with.
Any road,i don't like and that all im saying,time to move on for me.
I think the reason for the camel hump look on this version are to hide the lever mechanism going from the new handlebars to the old ones underneath.
Quote from: Strontium Claw on 21 January, 2011, 03:53:23 PM
Did it look anything like this?...
http://twitpic.com/3rzrx8 (http://twitpic.com/3rzrx8)
Why do I hear the Adam West Batman TV theme whenever I see this? :crazy:
My first thought was OH. But on reflection and strong viewing on this ONE picture I now quite like it. Will hold off full judgement for a full detailed view.
Handle bars definitely stick out a fair bit judging the position of the riders arms.
Fair size plexi in front of the rider which I am presuming is the on board computer.
Bike cannons fill me with warmth.
The uniform of the Judge ticks all the boxes, shame about Terry Ten Chins in the helmet.
V
Could have been worse we could have had a megacity sprayjob on the ShatnerCycle! :lol:
(http://www.riding-motorcycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/star-trek-bike-300x225.jpg)
1. For reminding me of MegaForce: Two weeks in the cubes.
2. Part of me wishes the ride was heading in the other direction, just so we'd FINALLY see what the othe shoulder looks like. :D
This is what they're saying on other sites:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/21/look-its-judge-dredd-on-his-lawmaster/
QuoteI'm sure the producers would have preferred an official still over a sneaky snapshot as the internet's first look at this crucial, much-loved vehicle, but they didn't issue one, so this upstaging was all but inevitable. A lesson to be learned?
http://io9.com/5740027/new-look-at-the-rebooted-judge-dredds-suit-and-lawmaster-bike
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/114132-judge-dredd-riding-his-lawmaster-bike
I trust that the people making the new Dredd film are doing an outstanding job and will prove all the naysayers wrong, but you've got to do something about your publicity guys.
At least with Michaelvk there was some control, now there's seems none.
Also popped up here:
www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=28507&t=New_iDreddi_Pic_Shows_Full_Costume_And_Lawmaster_Bike
There is clearly a thirst for this kind of thing out there, you might think a controlled release of good quality pictures might be better than snatched street snaps.
I can't believe anyone's sticking up for that. It looks cheap. It also looks like one of those bikes you'd see at a downmarket custom type show. Dredd's bike should look expensive, BIG and he should look like he's sitting on a whacking great chopper with his hands further up in the air on higher handlebars. He shouldn't look like he's riding a flippin scooter.
First of all the uniform looks cheap and not much like the comics (apart from the helmet) and now this cheap looking bike.
I'm losing faith in this production fast.
It doesn't look too good compared to the Judge Minty version (seen on the left):
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6090/dreddlawmastercompariso.jpg)
I'm sure it will look better within the context of a finished scene with the fast cut editing, lighting, CGI backdrop, music but there's no doubt it has a bit of a slapdash look to it. Not sure how the Judge Minty production crew with limited budget can get it spot-on but a 45 million dollar budget film can't. :-*
Let's not make excuses for it......it looks rubbish. Looks like they've got a fairly ordinary looking bike and stuck a big piece of painted wood on the front plus a gun or two. That Minty one looks a million times better. Are these film makers smoking crack or something?
Quote from: heisthelaw on 22 January, 2011, 01:19:19 AM
It doesn't look too good compared to the Judge Minty version (seen on the left):
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6090/dreddlawmastercompariso.jpg)
I'm sure it will look better within the context of a finished scene with the fast cut editing, lighting, CGI backdrop, music but there's no doubt it has a bit of a slapdash look to it. Not sure how the Judge Minty production crew with limited budget can get it spot-on but a 45 million dollar budget film can't. :-*
It is amazing isn't it. Minty gets most things spot on (from what we've seen anyway) and yet a bunch of film makers with 45 million churn that out. Pathetic! I don't think any amount of cgi backdrops will make that look any better. Both Dredd and the bike look like they should be in an amateur production.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 January, 2011, 01:22:15 AM
Let's not make excuses for it......it looks rubbish. Looks like they've got a fairly ordinary looking bike and stuck a big piece of painted wood on the front plus a gun or two. That Minty one looks a million times better. Are these film makers smoking crack or something?
:lol: That made me laugh!! Yeah, anyone who knew nothing about Dredd would have a hard job guessing which one was the fan film comparing what we have seen of Minty with what we have seen of this. And I'm talking about the design decisions and the quality of the props etc. The more we see of this, the more the yaysayers will drop off.
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6090/dreddlawmastercompariso.jpg)
One's a real bike the other isn't.
Hey guys who worked on JUDGE MINTY that are constantly mentioning JUDGE MINTY in the DREDD movie thread: go post in the JUDGE MINTY thread about JUDGE MINTY.
Now I think I'm done typing the words JUDGE MINTY for the rest of my life.
I think some people involved with 'Dredd' should be held to account for coming up with stuff that is less faithful than a fan film! ::) Just think how good 'Dredd' could look if the people involved with the Judge Minty fan film designed the lawmaster, uniform and other vehicles. It's sad to see the potential of Dredd - even if it's just the visual look of Dredd - being compromised. I don't think the lawmaster looks terrible but it's obvious it's a bike with some box stuck on the front. Not much thought has gone into the design which is a pity.
On the potential plus side, the film is set in a block, the lawmaster hardly features in the storyline so in the grand scheme of things it's not a deal-breaker. But getting things right from the start would help. :D
"One's a real bike the other isn't."
The guy working on the Judge Minty film is adamant they created a real bike that is identical to the comic version. He mentions this on Comicmovie site:
"for idiots that may think the picture i posted was of a cgi bike... WRONG... the bike is as real as it gets and was driven during the film too."
I can't believe what I'm seeing. To me it looks like they have a miniscule budget. Next thing we'll see is Mega City made of toilet roll cardboard and sticky back plastic.
Quote from: minus on 22 January, 2011, 01:32:28 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 January, 2011, 01:22:15 AM
Let's not make excuses for it......it looks rubbish. Looks like they've got a fairly ordinary looking bike and stuck a big piece of painted wood on the front plus a gun or two. That Minty one looks a million times better. Are these film makers smoking crack or something?
:lol: That made me laugh!! Yeah, anyone who knew nothing about Dredd would have a hard job guessing which one was the fan film comparing what we have seen of Minty with what we have seen of this. And I'm talking about the design decisions and the quality of the props etc. The more we see of this, the more the yaysayers will drop off.
Definitely! There's no getting around it from those 2 pics side by side. 2 Dredd productions and the expensive one is with the guy wearing the biking boots (which were bought in the local bike shop) riding a Lambretta.
Quote"I can't believe what I'm seeing. To me it looks like they have a miniscule budget. Next thing we'll see is Mega City made of toilet roll cardboard and sticky back plastic. "
Well maybe this is why there's been no official photos. Cos they look so crappy! :lol:
The leaked screenplay features loads of interior action. There's hardly any outside on the streets action. If the interior stuff is good the film can work. You only need a few establishing shots of the city to sell the scale of the city to the audience. Once inside Peach Trees Block it's much smaller scale. Of course Mega-City 1 blocks are meant to be huge so we may have to lower our expectations a tad. Perhaps Peach Tree Block will look a tad smaller inside. Sort of a few small rooms and a measly corridor. That sort of 'epic' scale. :lol:
You wont even know they are toilet rolls once the CGI has been applied to them and it's in 3D!
I doubt this will be in 3D. Due to budget constRaints it's now being filmed in 2.5D.
:P
The way this film is going it won't even be in 1D. It'll either be straight to dvd or shown in about 2 arthouse cinema's.
And is it just me but look how dangerous it would be to ride that bike. Those handlebars look like they're from a childs tricycle.
The hands are so close together one false turn and that fat looking Dredd would be eating gravel.
Can we please have some perspective here. It's a leaked image, not a shot from the film. None of us have any idea how it will look when it appearers in the film, it may look the same or it may look quite different. I really don't care that much, I'm just happy that we're getting a new Judge Dredd film.
Don't take the bait Gavin, they're just noobies who've been allowed to stay up late on the troll.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2011, 02:30:16 AM
Don't take the bait Gavin, they're just noobies who've been allowed to stay up late on the troll.
At least one of these newbies has a disturbingly familiar stench about him...
Just out of curiosity, a quick bit of photoshoppery shows how the Lawmaster might have looked with larger wheels:
(http://carrollm@michaelowencarroll.com/pics/movie-lawmaster2-mod.jpg)
-- Mike
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 22 January, 2011, 02:33:37 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2011, 02:30:16 AM
Don't take the bait Gavin, they're just noobies who've been allowed to stay up late on the troll.
At least one of these newbies has a disturbingly familiar stench about him...
Course they could both be the same person Smeagol/Gollum discourse an' all that guff.
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 22 January, 2011, 02:35:40 AM
Just out of curiosity, a quick bit of photoshoppery shows how the Lawmaster might have looked with larger wheels:
G'wan, change the handlebars. Chopper's dead.
The film is going to be terrible. Think about it... if you were making a Dredd film why would you call the main villain Ma-Ma?
:lol:
Crappy name. Alex Garland shouldn't have been hired to write the screenplay. He should stick to writing Hollyoaks. :lol:
And why is it called 'Dredd'?
You'd think with 45 million dollars you could afford five more letters:
J.U.D.G.E.
:P
I'll fetch the pitchforks and torches.
Don't...bite...the...bait.
I'd put money on John Wagner KNOWING this is going to be a stinker of a film. He knows it's awful but he's just staying quiet. He's a smart guy, you think he's going to see the lawmaster photo and think "wow, that's just how I imagine it looks."
:lol: :lol:
Of course not! I bet you he hates the storyline, the uniform, the bike. This is his character, he's written it for three decades and now he has to bite his tongue and see DNA **** it up. It's a shame. Still, we do get to see Anderson naked. I can't wait! :P
As they say, every cloud has a sexy boob.
:D
Quote from: lawgiver on 22 January, 2011, 02:53:17 AMI'd put money on John Wagner KNOWING this is going to be a stinker of a film. He knows it's awful but he's just staying quiet. He's a smart guy, you think he's going to see the lawmaster photo and think "wow, that's just how I imagine it looks."
In fact, it's just possible he's even smart enough not to think everything should look the way he imagines it. ::) Any comic writer who thinks everything should look the way they imagine it is in the wrong business, because the look is determied by artists, not writers. John has been in this business for a very long time and wouldn't have lasted very long at at all if he thought the way YOU "imagine" he does. It's well known that when Carlos Ezquerra originally designed the look of the character it didn't look anything like Wagner imagined it. In fact he thought the uniform and bike were OTT at first.
Quote from: lawgiver on 22 January, 2011, 02:53:17 AMOf course not! I bet you he hates the storyline, the uniform, the bike. This is his character, he's written it for three decades and now he has to bite his tongue and see DNA **** it up. It's a shame. Still, we do get to see Anderson naked. I can't wait! :P
That's rather insulting to the creator of Dredd. Not every comic book creator is Alan Moore or Pat Mills, but JW is perfectly capable of expressing his opinion. He's stated he likes what he's seen on this movie - dont' call the man a liar unless you're prepared to back it up.
Quote from: lawgiver on 22 January, 2011, 02:53:17 AMAs they say, every cloud has a sexy boob.
No, "they" don't, because it would make "them" look extremely stupid.
Don't try and reason with it, Mark.
It's him.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 22 January, 2011, 04:08:54 AM
Don't try and reason with it, Mark.
It's him.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself when faced with what appeared to be one of the least intelligent posts I've ever seeen on an internet forum... and that's
really saying a lot.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 22 January, 2011, 04:00:42 AM
Quote from: lawgiver on 22 January, 2011, 02:53:17 AMI'd put money on John Wagner KNOWING this is going to be a stinker of a film. He knows it's awful but he's just staying quiet. He's a smart guy, you think he's going to see the lawmaster photo and think "wow, that's just how I imagine it looks."
In fact, it's just possible he's even smart enough not to think everything should look the way he imagines it. ::) Any comic writer who thinks everything should look the way they imagine it is in the wrong business, because the look is determied by artists, not writers. John has been in this business for a very long time and wouldn't have lasted very long at at all if he thought the way YOU "imagine" he does. It's well known that when Carlos Ezquerra originally designed the look of the character it didn't look anything like Wagner imagined it. In fact he thought the uniform and bike were OTT at first.
Quote from: lawgiver on 22 January, 2011, 02:53:17 AMOf course not! I bet you he hates the storyline, the uniform, the bike. This is his character, he's written it for three decades and now he has to bite his tongue and see DNA **** it up. It's a shame. Still, we do get to see Anderson naked. I can't wait! :P
That's rather insulting to the creator of Dredd. Not every comic book creator is Alan Moore or Pat Mills, but JW is perfectly capable of expressing his opinion. He's stated he likes what he's seen on this movie - dont' call the man a liar unless you're prepared to back it up.
Quote from: lawgiver on 22 January, 2011, 02:53:17 AMAs they say, every cloud has a sexy boob.
No, "they" don't, because it would make "them" look extremely stupid.
We're talking established things here. People expect Dredd to look like Dredd and they expect the lawmaster to actually look like a lawmaster not some puny bland monstrosity. That's an everyday bike with some bits stuck on it in a vain attempt to make it look futuristic. It gets worse the more I look at it.
Sigh. You'd think that with the announcement that the third Craig Bond is back on he'd have better bridges to hide under.
I'm not sure what "every cloud has a sexy boob" means, but it's a hopeful message, and it makes me feel good in my pants.
As some have pointed out, this pic looks better than some of the impromptu on-set Spider-Man pics also released recently. It's not a great representation of what the movie will look like. I'm not worried, and while it's not a faithful re-creation of the comic's look, I'm getting cool vibes.
Having been a reader since those halcyon days of 1977 when Dredd first entered my world (yes I am that old), I've mixed feelings about this image.
The law giver looks good, but..........
The helmet is perhaps a bit big, not tight fitting enough?
The shoulder pads. We we all know that charging around with a huge eagle on your shoulder was never going to be practical, I think some reference to it, and perhaps making them slightly larger would have made us traditionalists a bit happier.
Need to see more to get to form a true opinion.
Corridor dosen't "leap out" and looks very 2011 not a few hundred years into the future!
But the big one for me, the stubble on his chin - no way!
Policemen and soldiers (except in Afghanistan) are required to uphold "values and standards" and looking like you've just got out of bed is not acceptable.
I know I'm probably way out of touch with the younger generation, but as well as reading 2000AD for 33 years, I was an soldier for 27 of those too!
How can you be "I am the law" and uphold the values and standards of Mega City One if you can't scrape your face in the morning and look more like a perp!
Enough ranting from an old git!
Slept on it,still not keen.It's not going down well on any of the other sites either.Only (some of) you guys are loving it.
Downhearted.
I hope is doesn't bomb.
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 22 January, 2011, 02:35:40 AM
Just out of curiosity, a quick bit of photoshoppery shows how the Lawmaster might have looked with larger wheels:
(http://carrollm@michaelowencarroll.com/pics/movie-lawmaster2-mod.jpg)
-- Mike
I think Mike you sorted out what was wrong, the bike wheel size doesn't look in proportion to the overall body. I couldn't quite figure out what was wrong with the original picture but I knew something wasn't right.
When I saw your picture, it looks pretty good and in proportion to the body of the bike. I would give it a thumbs up. Maybe they could only work in the constraints of a base bike due to budget and build onto it. I'm not giving up on the movie but IM Gobal and DNA have royally screwed up again in terms of security and protection of images. They needed early shots or even concept art showing things in the best light to combat these. They need a swift kick up the backside, this was the danger with this project and this is the result. I think most people without any knowledge of DREDD will see this a cheap B-Movie straight to DVD release after that bike shot. There were very controlled options available
This is what I've been afraid of since Day 1, t
>:( >:( >:(Firstly-
I can say for a fact:
NONE OF THE JUDGE MINTY GUYS ARE POSTING ABOUT JUDGE MINTY IN THIS THREAD
We are strongly opposed to people using Judge Minty as comparison to DREDD- its a totally different kettle of fish and would actually be damaging to Minty if it continues. It wont help anyone.
THE QUOTE MENTIONED IN A PRIOR THREAD ABOUT MINTY HAVING AN ACTUAL BIKE WAS NEVER WRITTEN OR SAID BY A MINTY MEMBER
I don't know of any person who ever said that quote. As I can say for a fact that the only Lawmaster built for the Minty film was a blue box with plastic handlebars. It didnt even have wheels and I know that for a fact -because I built it.
Please, talk about the film, not Minty here ?
Quote from: PEM67 on 22 January, 2011, 08:40:55 AM
Having been a reader since those halcyon days of 1977 when Dredd first entered my world (yes I am that old), I've mixed feelings about this image.
The law giver looks good, but..........
The helmet is perhaps a bit big, not tight fitting enough?
The shoulder pads. We we all know that charging around with a huge eagle on your shoulder was never going to be practical, I think some reference to it, and perhaps making them slightly larger would have made us traditionalists a bit happier.
Need to see more to get to form a true opinion.
Corridor dosen't "leap out" and looks very 2011 not a few hundred years into the future!
But the big one for me, the stubble on his chin - no way!
Policemen and soldiers (except in Afghanistan) are required to uphold "values and standards" and looking like you've just got out of bed is not acceptable.
I know I'm probably way out of touch with the younger generation, but as well as reading 2000AD for 33 years, I was an soldier for 27 of those too!
How can you be "I am the law" and uphold the values and standards of Mega City One if you can't scrape your face in the morning and look more like a perp!
Enough ranting from an old git!
The helmet only looks big on that first picture because it's blurring with the door frame. Look at the helmet that Judge Porky is wearing on the Lawmaster shot. It doesn't look big does it? The left shoulder pad looks good too. And don't worry, there IS an eagle on the right shoulder. It's probably not a massive sculpted, golden monstrosity but there is an eagle design.
As for the stubble, we don't know what Karl Urban will look like during actual filming. Let's hold off on stubble related depression for the moment.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 January, 2011, 09:39:30 AM
Quote from: PEM67 on 22 January, 2011, 08:40:55 AM
Having been a reader since those halcyon days of 1977 when Dredd first entered my world (yes I am that old), I've mixed feelings about this image.
The law giver looks good, but..........
The helmet is perhaps a bit big, not tight fitting enough?
The shoulder pads. We we all know that charging around with a huge eagle on your shoulder was never going to be practical, I think some reference to it, and perhaps making them slightly larger would have made us traditionalists a bit happier.
Need to see more to get to form a true opinion.
Corridor dosen't "leap out" and looks very 2011 not a few hundred years into the future!
But the big one for me, the stubble on his chin - no way!
Policemen and soldiers (except in Afghanistan) are required to uphold "values and standards" and looking like you've just got out of bed is not acceptable.
I know I'm probably way out of touch with the younger generation, but as well as reading 2000AD for 33 years, I was an soldier for 27 of those too!
How can you be "I am the law" and uphold the values and standards of Mega City One if you can't scrape your face in the morning and look more like a perp!
Enough ranting from an old git!
The helmet only looks big on that first picture because it's blurring with the door frame. Look at the helmet that Judge Porky is wearing on the Lawmaster shot. It doesn't look big does it? The left shoulder pad looks good too. And don't worry, there IS an eagle on the right shoulder. It's probably not a massive sculpted, golden monstrosity but there is an eagle design.
As for the stubble, we don't know what Karl Urban will look like during actual filming. Let's hold off on stubble related depression for the moment.
I thought John cleared that up, no stubble on Karl.
I think the litmus test is would you be able to show this to non-Dredd fans confident that they would go and see this in the movie. Answer is no.
I think the Karl Urban, Lena, Olivia, the ultra violence on par with John Rambo, the helmet and uniform would meet with non Dredd fans approval.
If I showed them the vehicle shots, it would be with reluctance, but worst of all I think they would laugh at the bike.
I've shown my brother a semi non-fan, has compared it to a bike with scooter wheels on it and preferred Mike's alterations. Hope it looks better from the front and I hope most camera shots are from the front.
Yeah, for me the main problem is: it's ugly, it looks like an off-the-shelf bike that someone's glued a box to the front of, it's too small, and the overall impression is that the '95 lawmasters (while skinny wheeled abominations) were more convincing and better looking. Sorry.
SBT
Quote from: Teivion on 22 January, 2011, 09:37:33 AM
>:( >:( >:(Firstly-
I can say for a fact:
NONE OF THE JUDGE MINTY GUYS ARE POSTING ABOUT JUDGE MINTY IN THIS THREAD
We are strongly opposed to people using Judge Minty as comparison to DREDD- its a totally different kettle of fish and would actually be damaging to Minty if it continues. It wont help anyone.
THE QUOTE MENTIONED IN A PRIOR THREAD ABOUT MINTY HAVING AN ACTUAL BIKE WAS NEVER WRITTEN OR SAID BY A MINTY MEMBER
I don't know of any person who ever said that quote. As I can say for a fact that the only Lawmaster built for the Minty film was a blue box with plastic handlebars. It didnt even have wheels and I know that for a fact -because I built it.
Please, talk about the film, not Minty here ?
What Dan said.
Generally, the only time I've talked about Minty on this thread lately is when people not involved with it have brought it up, even to the point of asking people not to use it to bash the Dredd movie with.
And, yes not sure where that impression that a full bike was built came from - it's obviously CGI. Either you are misreading what was said on that site, or it's someone claiming they're involved with the project and spinning a line.
- Steve
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 January, 2011, 09:49:57 AM
I think the litmus test is would you be able to show this to non-Dredd fans confident that they would go and see this in the movie. Answer is no.
OK, let's try to clear this up once and for all. These shots are not publicity shots. They're not designed to promote the film or create interest in the film or advertise the film. They are
spy photos. Badly lit, blurred pictures hurriedly taken between shots featuring an out of character stuntman sitting on a bike.
We've only seen it from one angle, we've no idea what it looks like from the front, lit properly, ridden by an actor.
Jesus, this thread makes me so angry. I can't believe people would be so stupid as to write off the whole film based on 3 or 4 blurry photographs. Idiocy, pure and simple.
JUST WAIT AND SEE FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Why I hate spy photos...
The equivalent of pap shots of an actress doing the shopping.
That said, I don't think there are going to be too many angles where it's going to look that good, and it shows how pointless all the fuss last week was.
The best you can do is pre-empt this kind of thing, and get your stills in first, that's the only control you have.
Still, they're not alone.
(http://cdn.superherohype.com/images/stories/spider-man-575.jpg)
It's not the Lawmaster bike I wanted but I can live with it.
Did they have to actually build a bike? Couldn't they have hired something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XehkMQpeyA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MedT2TDRM&feature=related
First things first!
How did that parasite get back on the board!? >:(
Secondly-the bike design.
It took a few minutes to get used to, but now I have I don't have a problem with it. I actually prefer it to the '95 movie bike, as that appeared totally impractical and box like in appearance.
Still looking forward to the movie.
Quote from: Strontium Claw on 21 January, 2011, 03:53:23 PM
Did it look anything like this?...
http://twitpic.com/3rzrx8 (http://twitpic.com/3rzrx8)
Now THAT looks cool, reckon the sleeker design works better than the boxy/wide Lawmaster comic image we all know and love. Maybe the practically of building it that way as well as getting the look just right put them off. I wouldn't be surprised if the previous attempt for 1995 Dredd (which was just appalling) put them off trying to replicate it also. Can't wait to see this tearing up the streets of MC1 on the big screen :)
For me, the perfect Lawmaster is basically a tank on two wheels, so in that respect the '95 version was at least close. If it wasn't for the skinny wheels and plasticy feel to the whole thing it would've been great.
This new one though (admmitedly based on one crappy pic) doesn't hit the mark on any Lawmastery level I can think of. Except for the colour scheme. I'm kind've hoping its got something else up its sleave, but I've really just written it off at this point and accepted that other aspects of the film will probably make up for the disappointment. If I end up liking it then all the better.
Looking at the Dodge Viper on the vids I noticed that it never seemed to go round any corners!
Great design and much more in keeping with my own view of the futuristic Lawmaster bike but not much good for filming if it can't handle corners. At $500,000 a pop I think the Film makers were right to decide on a cheaper option. The insurance alone for hiring the Viper must be pretty severe to say the least.
Quote from: minus on 22 January, 2011, 10:58:13 AM
Did they have to actually build a bike? Couldn't they have hired something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XehkMQpeyA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MedT2TDRM&feature=related
If they could get any, even to hire, it would be too expensive, too risky and they'd need more than one -if more than one exists- that would need to be modified and what happens if they total it?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2011, 12:49:16 PM
Quote from: minus on 22 January, 2011, 10:58:13 AM
Did they have to actually build a bike? Couldn't they have hired something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XehkMQpeyA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MedT2TDRM&feature=related
If they could get any, even to hire, it would be too expensive, too risky and they'd need more than one -if more than one exists- that would need to be modified and what happens if they total it?
There's also the small matter of it looking stupid.
I more than anyone would love to see someone build a comic based Lawmaster (if I had the money I would pay Dan/someone else to build one) as I imagine the literal translation from the comic would look awesome (all metal and chrome rather than plastic). It would look great as a 'show bike' or for riding in straight lines but for practical purposes it wouldn't work. Like the Batpod with those huge wheels the bike just wouldn't turn like a normal bike and that is where it lets itself down. For practical purposes it just wouldn't work but done in CGI it would work and look great but again that doesn't keep in with the feel of this movie and the look they are aiming for. Who knows maybe in a sequel they may go down the CGI route but for now i'm more than happy with what i've seen so far.
And as other people have said before all these pics we have seen so far are behind the scenes 'plain images' as it were, so REALLY need to be taking in that context. I truly believe that once seen in the movie with added lighting, sound etc everything will fall into place and those who are worried about it all will change their minds. There are some really talanted people working on this and no matter what the budget will do their very best to make a great (and as close as they can get) Dredd movie.
Can't wait to see Jock's promo poster as his artwork is amazing, I can just see the headline now:
DREDD - Lawman of the future...you be the Judge!
:)
Yes, just for the naysayers here's a vid which shows it does go around corners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAGUbf1hTv8&feature=related
With that 'magic of movies' surely you wouldn't need more than one. It may cost $555 000 to buy, but what would it cost to hire for a weekend shoot? A tenth of that or less? Anyway it's just all wishful thinking. It's all pretty much set in concrete.
We've got what we've got so that's that. Wave chunky, Akira style superbike goodbye. >sniff<
I don't think seeing this so out of context was a very good idea but I'm still feeling good about the Movie.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 January, 2011, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 January, 2011, 09:49:57 AM
I think the litmus test is would you be able to show this to non-Dredd fans confident that they would go and see this in the movie. Answer is no.
OK, let's try to clear this up once and for all. These shots are not publicity shots. They're not designed to promote the film or create interest in the film or advertise the film. They are spy photos. Badly lit, blurred pictures hurriedly taken between shots featuring an out of character stuntman sitting on a bike.
We've only seen it from one angle, we've no idea what it looks like from the front, lit properly, ridden by an actor.
Jesus, this thread makes me so angry. I can't believe people would be so stupid as to write off the whole film based on 3 or 4 blurry photographs. Idiocy, pure and simple.
JUST WAIT AND SEE FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Yeah, we know that...but these shots however wrong in angle and light are the ones being seen by every non fan and making judgment. I'm angry at DNA for not trying to prevent these shots. By all accounts Michael passed by on the road and could easily see the bike in action, they should have had a street closed off and try and limit access to it.
If a properly lit shot of at a good angle was released in the first place, that would at least dampen the bad reaction to it as people would compare it to the official nice shot. The colour scheme is good, the machine guns are beastly, just wondering to bikers on the boards here, would you see this as a high speed pursuit type bike or type of Cruiser.
QuoteI'm angry at DNA for not trying to prevent these shots. By all accounts Michael passed by on the road and could easily see the bike in action to try and limit access to it.
I suspect that this is where the pic comics from- some one with a mobile phone has snapped it on the way past.
But you're right, it does make the PR dept look a bit silly.
Another CandD order will be issued shortly!
Anyone know if DNA are doing a Q&A at Kapow?
Should be interesting :/
Quote from: minus on 22 January, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
Yes, just for the naysayers here's a vid which shows it does go around corners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAGUbf1hTv8&feature=related
With that 'magic of movies' surely you wouldn't need more than one. It may cost $555 000 to buy, but what would it cost to hire for a weekend shoot? A tenth of that or less? Anyway it's just all wishful thinking. It's all pretty much set in concrete.
It's just not practical to hire bikes that would need to be modified and used for stunt work. The insurance alone would probably pay for their own bikes. Getting just one bike doesn't make much sense either.
There's also the small matter of it looking stupid.
[/quote]And the new LM doesn't?
I'm not commenting on this anymore.Wake me up when some official phozzies come out.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 January, 2011, 01:13:24 PMI'm angry at DNA for not trying to prevent these shots. By all accounts Michael passed by on the road and could easily see the bike in action, they should have had a street closed off and try and limit access to it.
That'a neither feasible nor practical, it's a public street. Spending money on trying to conceal stuff is an unneccessary drain on resources, best to just release pfficial photos.
You know what Mr Soap, no offense intended, but you seem to me to be King of the Naysayers. It doesn't matter what anyone has to say, if it doesn't compute with your way of thinking, it just can't be done. Although you really do give me a good laugh at times (and I sincerely do enjoy reading your comments), I wouldn't want to be stuck in a lift with you.... Perhaps it's just me.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2011, 01:42:19 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 January, 2011, 01:13:24 PMI'm angry at DNA for not trying to prevent these shots. By all accounts Michael passed by on the road and could easily see the bike in action, they should have had a street closed off and try and limit access to it.
That'a neither feasible nor practical, it's a public street. Spending money on trying to conceal stuff is an unneccessary drain on resources, best to just release pfficial photos.
Agree 100% with you on the official shots, but didn't happen and we are left with negative reaction to it. But I disagree on closing a street due to budget, local councils and governments will do this without any cost as the production company is contributing to the local economy there. They want more movies to come their way and usually bend over backwards to accommodate filming. I'm aware this happens quite a lot when filming is going on in Ireland.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 22 January, 2011, 04:08:54 AM
Don't try and reason with it, Mark.
It's him.
:lol:
Remember the rules:
Don't feed him after midnight.
Don't get him wet.
Bright sunlight will kill him.
Hmmm....
Lets 'forget' the last one... ;)
For the record, I had nothing to do with those pics.. It wasn't the first time it was parked next to a public space without so much as a sheet over it. The pic of the video village is inexcusable.. I guess that if Joe Public takes pics of officially unreleased stuff it's fine..
Quote from: minus on 22 January, 2011, 01:54:53 PM
You know what Mr Soap, no offense intended, but you seem to me to be King of the Naysayers. It doesn't matter what anyone has to say, if it doesn't compute with your way of thinking, it just can't be done. Although you really do give me a good laugh at times (and I sincerely do enjoy reading your comments), I wouldn't want to be stuck in a lift with you.... Perhaps it's just me.
I'm really a pussycat and I don't take lifts, too many cunts use them. I'm hardly a naysayer, I haven't blasted the film-makers because of one dodgy pic or made ridiculous comparisons like quite a few on here.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 January, 2011, 01:55:52 PM
But I disagree on closing a street due to budget, local councils and governments will do this without any cost as the production company is contributing to the local economy there. They want more movies to come their way and usually bend over backwards to accommodate filming. I'm aware this happens quite a lot when filming is going on in Ireland.
It really isn't feasible in public places, look at the Spidey flick. You can't stop people taking photos if they live or work in adjacent buildings. As for Ireland, if you think there's any organization here, where have you been? Backhanders all round.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 22 January, 2011, 02:19:03 PM
For the record, I had nothing to do with those pics.. It wasn't the first time it was parked next to a public space without so much as a sheet over it. The pic of the video village is inexcusable.. I guess that if Joe Public takes pics of officially unreleased stuff it's fine..
I'm more surprised by the video village shot as well, that suggests a member of the crew, and at best makes them look like the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.
Quote from: Steve Green on 22 January, 2011, 03:05:53 PMI'm more surprised by the video village shot as well, that suggests a member of the crew, and at best makes them look like the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.
That's seems to have been evident from the very start of the shoot and considering there've be no moves to correct it is odd.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 January, 2011, 01:55:52 PM
They want more movies to come their way and usually bend over backwards to accommodate filming. I'm aware this happens quite a lot when filming is going on in Ireland.
http://theprimeverseblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/pictures-from-series-4-film-set.html
I'm afraid urban filming = witnesses, wherever you go.
Joe Soap seems like he has an answer for everything because he works in telly, and has some idea of how moving pictures get made. I've yet to see him say anything that didn't make perfect sense to me.
doublepost
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 January, 2011, 03:12:54 PM
I've yet to see him say anything that didn't make perfect sense to me.
Likewise.
which one is "he"? its hard to tell with so many muppets making an appearence at the same time ;)
i didnt mind the stallone bike it didnt look too bad in the context of the film and i imagine the same with this one ..thinking the front isnt just a "box" with the guns being in the "box" im sort of going with the flared streamlined front end that a snap cant get across like the shoulders of the uniform,looks bidgger on the bike shot than the original pic.
Quote from: mogzilla on 22 January, 2011, 03:24:40 PM
which one is "he"? its hard to tell with so many muppets making an appearence at the same time ;)
He was under the moniker "Lawgiver", used lots of bad smiley's, slagging of creators and artists. All round nuisance. Capable of multiple muppetry.
oh,that one still plenty of muppets to go round though ;)
Jovus Grud, I finished work at 4.45 yesterday and look what has happened! Do you guys realise how long it has taken me to read up to date with all this bull-stomm?
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 22 January, 2011, 03:52:39 PM
Jovus Grud, I finished work at 4.45 yesterday and look what has happened! Do you guys realise how long it has taken me to read up to date with all this bull-stomm?
NAW how long :lol:
Pardon me for saying, but... do we even know if that's a pic of the FINISHED Lawmaster?
Looks to me like there's space for a little extra dressing, especially on the front end.
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dragon-King-Ryuuzin-Whitehouse-custom-Valkyrie-3.jpg) I was hoping for something more like this.
Quote from: danno on 22 January, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
I was hoping for something more like this.
Ya, and I'm sure if you donate several of them bikes to the film, they will be more then happy to use them in it.
Unfortunately I don't own several of them? If I did I would.
Quote from: danno on 22 January, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dragon-King-Ryuuzin-Whitehouse-custom-Valkyrie-3.jpg) I was hoping for something more like this.
Exactly.
Anyone suggesting that a 45 million budget [and possibly more on top of that] is not enough for a decent looking bike is having a laugh and the same goes for the vans that were pictured previously.
How much would that bike in the pic cost ?
20,000 ?
50,000 ?
I wouldnt have thought it would cost more than that but lets say 100,000 just to be safe so thats 100,000 out of a budget of 45 million with another say 25,000 worth of customisation or say 50,000 to be safe.
It would cost a lot less to lease a bike like that and insure it and if it is harmed during the filming then the insurance would pay for it anyway so whats the problem ?
My figures may be wrong but my point is that we are not expecting the filmmakers to build anything from scratch which they are not doing anyway but we are talking about a motorbike that has to look good as its an essential addition to the character and i really do not see why this should be so difficult.
someone will point out the obvious and say its a sneaky pic of a bike that may be unfinished and is out of context or blurred or whatever but dont bother as i know this already as i am looking at it and thats what i am commenting on.
I have been presented with a picture and i am commenting on the picture specifically NOT the film in general.Only the vehicles.
The only way to stop the negative criticism is to get things right from the outset and the only way to stop pics like that getting out is to have a security perimeter around the vicinity where all cameras and mobiles are confiscated.
One final thing is does anyone have figure on how much the filming in 3d [which i think is utterly pointless anyway in this instance] is costing ?
How much of the budget is it eating up ?
The bike in the leaked photo could just be used for stunt work or tracking shots for later CGI work, we just don't know.
I'm going to wait for at the very least a trailer before I pass judgement.
Leaked shots are no indication of the finally quality of the finished film either, the script and performances are a huge contributing factor to the films overall success.
I'm still optomistic that Pete Travis and the rest of the Dredd film team can deliver the goods.
As Michaelvk said earlier, all props are finished apart from any post-prod.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2011, 05:39:26 PM
As Michaelvk said earlier, all props are finished apart from any post-prod.
Fair enough. But it still doesn't equate to how good the finished film will be. That's my point really.
There's obviously a lot of work to do yet.
There's obviously a lot of work to do yet.
[/quote]which i dont think will be done,hope iam wrong :-\
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 22 January, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
There's obviously a lot of work to do yet.
which i dont think will be done,hope iam wrong :-\
How will it not be done?
Let's remember as well that there's a whole art to the way things are shot. Lighting, camera angles, editing, all that good stuff.
And a static image only accounts for part of the final effect. We can see the shaoe of the thing, and the base colours, but we don't get much impression of what it'll look like zipping around in MC-1.
Basically, until I see it moving, I'm reserving judgement. BRING ON THA MOVIEEEEE!
I think we're getting scraps of info here. It's like the blind man trying to gage the shape of an elephant just from feeling it's trunk. The Helmet/Body armour I'm fine with. What I've seen of the the Bike/Cars I'm not so keen on.
Until we get near the Films release it will always be bits and pieces. Franctically deconstructing every crumb that comes our way probably isn't going to help anyones nerves but wait till the first trailer comes out at least before passing- ahem, judgement.
When they release that Anderson picture some of you are so obsessed with I expect the forum too melt!
Oh - has there been some sort of demand for an Anderson pic? I had no idea...
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 January, 2011, 05:57:11 PM
... just from feeling it's trunk.
Oh there'll be plenty of
that when the Anderson picture finally appears.
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 January, 2011, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 January, 2011, 05:57:11 PM
... just from feeling it's trunk.
Oh there'll be plenty of that when the Anderson picture finally appears.
:lol: Outrage among the masses!
I'm not sold on the bike either, but I'll reserve judgment till we see a proper studio shot. I mean, the differences between this:
(http://cdn.superherohype.com/images/stories/spider-man-575.jpg)
and this:
(http://hitdanback.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/0113-andrew-garfield-spider-man-costume-00-480x660.jpg)
are huge. We just have to wait and see what it looks like under proper lighting.
Quote from somebody who was on set regarding dialog ....
''I was an extra on the set and the little dialog I heard was HAMMY, clique and very 80s. Maybe they were going for that.''
Can be found here half way down
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/getting-a-first-glimpse-at-judge-dredd-12322
Predator or First Blood 80's ham i'm cool with,Cobra not so much...DNA need to get there arse into gear with regards to promoting this flick.A few well lit shots or a quick 5 second teaser would silence idiots like me.
I don't really care about the dialog that much - it was never a big part of the reading experience for me so I don't expect it to be a huge part of the movie experience.
Good action and plenty of busting perps heads will suffice.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 22 January, 2011, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 January, 2011, 05:39:26 PM
As Michaelvk said earlier, all props are finished apart from any post-prod.
Fair enough. But it still doesn't equate to how good the finished film will be. That's my point really.
There's obviously a lot of work to do yet.
Yeah I noticed the MC01 lettering on the seat of the bike just like the security type vehicles that we've seen before. So I think that's all consistent and pretty close to what we'll see in the film.
I have to admit that on a purely design level there isn't much in the spy pics to come out that's anything close to 'good looking ' or 'pleasing to the eye' in my opinion. In fact the production design as a whole from what we've seen so far is just plain ugly, but maybe that's the point. It seems to me that Mega City One in this film will look like a complete shit hole and that's just intentional on the part of the film makers.
Some of my favorite action movies or thrillers come from the 70's and 80's and not being a car aficionado I have no idea if vehicles in those films were good or not. I just remember those films for being entertaining and having great action.
I'll reserve my judgment until there's a full trailer that we can all tear apart and analyse. Or I'll just keep repeating 'Gritty Realism ...Gritty Realism ...Gritty Realism .....' and imagine Dirty Harry wearing a JD Helmet.
Magnum Force was on TV last night and the bit where the killer Cop draws up on the Pimped Black Dude's car driving across the San Francisco bridge was as close to how I imagined Judge Dredd would look if it was ever made into a film. Great.
Magnumforce
(http://www.indielondon.co.uk/images/11667.jpg)
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MegaForce
(http://www.dvddrive-in.com/features/adamalamo18.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrO_YsX5QsA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrO_YsX5QsA)
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(http://scifimafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dredd-Karl-Urban.jpg)
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 January, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from somebody who was on set regarding dialog ....
''I was an extra on the set and the little dialog I heard was HAMMY, clique and very 80s. Maybe they were going for that.''
Can be found here half way down
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/getting-a-first-glimpse-at-judge-dredd-12322
Predator or First Blood 80's ham i'm cool with,Cobra not so much...DNA need to get there arse into gear with regards to promoting this flick.A few well lit shots or a quick 5 second teaser would silence idiots like me.
I was also a extra on set, and I thought the dialogue was amazing!
See, anyone can write stuff like that. Dosen't make it true.
Fair enough.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 January, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from somebody who was on set regarding dialog ....
''I was an extra on the set and the little dialog I heard was HAMMY, clique and very 80s. Maybe they were going for that.''
Can be found here half way down
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/getting-a-first-glimpse-at-judge-dredd-12322
Predator or First Blood 80's ham i'm cool with,Cobra not so much...DNA need to get there arse into gear with regards to promoting this flick.A few well lit shots or a quick 5 second teaser would silence idiots like me.
I've been out tonight and I'm. Well pissed but, foir fuck's ake, shut up. Whay bullshit. Pleas, please fuck off.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 January, 2011, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 January, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from somebody who was on set regarding dialog ....
''I was an extra on the set and the little dialog I heard was HAMMY, clique and very 80s. Maybe they were going for that.''
Can be found here half way down
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/getting-a-first-glimpse-at-judge-dredd-12322
Predator or First Blood 80's ham i'm cool with,Cobra not so much...DNA need to get there arse into gear with regards to promoting this flick.A few well lit shots or a quick 5 second teaser would silence idiots like me.
I've been out tonight and I'm. Well pissed but, foir fuck's ake, shut up. Whay bullshit. Pleas, please fuck off.
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW hell mend u :lol:
Quote from: Cyclopz on 22 January, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
I have to admit that on a purely design level there isn't much in the spy pics to come out that's anything close to 'good looking ' or 'pleasing to the eye' in my opinion. In fact the production design as a whole from what we've seen so far is just plain ugly, but maybe that's the point. It seems to me that Mega City One in this film will look like a complete shit hole and that's just intentional on the part of the film makers.
I think Cyclopz has a valid point here. We really have no idea what intentions the film makers have, what setting this Mega City 1 is supposed to be in. Gritty realism is what we've heard. So think post Atom War, a society in chaos and disorder. The Judges in a war struggling to keep control. So think maybe MC1 "Escape from New York"-ish something something...?
No aliens, no flying H-wagons,no fancy shining sci-fi stuff... More like Mad Max, RoboCop near future vibe. I haven't read the script so I can't tell if I'm on the right track..?
But I do understand this movie isn't claiming to set in the MC1 from last weeks prog and therefore is futile to compare and complain if the few pics we've seen doesn't look exactly as that.
I'm still very positive about this film. I can't reject anything I know little or nothing about, that would be silly. I'd really would want to see more to understand more where this is going. I'm definately keeping the faith! :)
Regarding the Lawmaster photo, if it was taken in broad daylight in an open street, wouldn't there be more than just one pic? Would love to see the front of the bike, I'm very curious right now if there's an eagle up front? :-*
Shit. Please ignore me, I'm absolutely off my tits.
Thats ok. Your OLD B.O.B avatar gives you a get out of jail free card in my book, at least. ;-)
Quote from: nicklarr on 22 January, 2011, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 22 January, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
I have to admit that on a purely design level there isn't much in the spy pics to come out that's anything close to 'good looking ' or 'pleasing to the eye' in my opinion. In fact the production design as a whole from what we've seen so far is just plain ugly, but maybe that's the point. It seems to me that Mega City One in this film will look like a complete shit hole and that's just intentional on the part of the film makers.
I think Cyclopz has a valid point here. We really have no idea what intentions the film makers have, what setting this Mega City 1 is supposed to be in. Gritty realism is what we've heard. So think post Atom War, a society in chaos and disorder. The Judges in a war struggling to keep control. So think maybe MC1 "Escape from New York"-ish something something...?
No aliens, no flying H-wagons,no fancy shining sci-fi stuff... More like Mad Max, RoboCop near future vibe. I haven't read the script so I can't tell if I'm on the right track..?
But I do understand this movie isn't claiming to set in the MC1 from last weeks prog and therefore is futile to compare and complain if the few pics we've seen doesn't look exactly as that.
I'm still very positive about this film. I can't reject anything I know little or nothing about, that would be silly. I'd really would want to see more to understand more where this is going. I'm definately keeping the faith! :)
Regarding the Lawmaster photo, if it was taken in broad daylight in an open street, wouldn't there be more than just one pic? Would love to see the front of the bike, I'm very curious right now if there's an eagle up front? :-*
Thats exactly the vibe im getting too.
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 22 January, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: nicklarr on 22 January, 2011, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 22 January, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
I have to admit that on a purely design level there isn't much in the spy pics to come out that's anything close to 'good looking ' or 'pleasing to the eye' in my opinion. In fact the production design as a whole from what we've seen so far is just plain ugly, but maybe that's the point. It seems to me that Mega City One in this film will look like a complete shit hole and that's just intentional on the part of the film makers.
I think Cyclopz has a valid point here. We really have no idea what intentions the film makers have, what setting this Mega City 1 is supposed to be in. Gritty realism is what we've heard. So think post Atom War, a society in chaos and disorder. The Judges in a war struggling to keep control. So think maybe MC1 "Escape from New York"-ish something something...?
No aliens, no flying H-wagons,no fancy shining sci-fi stuff... More like Mad Max, RoboCop near future vibe. I haven't read the script so I can't tell if I'm on the right track..?
But I do understand this movie isn't claiming to set in the MC1 from last weeks prog and therefore is futile to compare and complain if the few pics we've seen doesn't look exactly as that.
I'm still very positive about this film. I can't reject anything I know little or nothing about, that would be silly. I'd really would want to see more to understand more where this is going. I'm definately keeping the faith! :)
Regarding the Lawmaster photo, if it was taken in broad daylight in an open street, wouldn't there be more than just one pic? Would love to see the front of the bike, I'm very curious right now if there's an eagle up front? :-*
Thats exactly the vibe im getting too.
Yeah I like it....
What the hell happened yesterday??
Quote from: minus on 22 January, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
Yes, just for the naysayers here's a vid which shows it does go around corners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAGUbf1hTv8&feature=related
With that 'magic of movies' surely you wouldn't need more than one. It may cost $555 000 to buy, but what would it cost to hire for a weekend shoot? A tenth of that or less? Anyway it's just all wishful thinking. It's all pretty much set in concrete.
Looks like that Dodge is a four wheeled bike (quad bike) with a very tiny axle. Also you don't actually see it turning those sharp corners just the bike tilting from side to side so your quote is full of shit really.
And relax.
V
Quote from: heisthelaw on 22 January, 2011, 01:19:19 AM
It doesn't look too good compared to the Judge Minty version (seen on the left):
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6090/dreddlawmastercompariso.jpg)
I'm sure it will look better within the context of a finished scene with the fast cut editing, lighting, CGI backdrop, music but there's no doubt it has a bit of a slapdash look to it. Not sure how the Judge Minty production crew with limited budget can get it spot-on but a 45 million dollar budget film can't. :-*
Just shown both these pics to my son (6 year old) and he prefers the one on the right.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 23 January, 2011, 07:26:43 AM
What the hell happened yesterday??
Quote from: minus on 22 January, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
Yes, just for the naysayers here's a vid which shows it does go around corners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAGUbf1hTv8&feature=related
With that 'magic of movies' surely you wouldn't need more than one. It may cost $555 000 to buy, but what would it cost to hire for a weekend shoot? A tenth of that or less? Anyway it's just all wishful thinking. It's all pretty much set in concrete.
Looks like that Dodge is a four wheeled bike (quad bike) with a very tiny axle. Also you don't actually see it turning those sharp corners just the bike tilting from side to side so your quote is full of shit really.
And relax.
V
HAHA!!! Well whether it is easy to turn or not I cannot say. I was suggesting something like that would have satisfied me, but obviously not others. I don't expect the lawmaster to look EXACTLY like in the progs! There are plenty of options already built which would have sufficed.
To be honest, I'm over the whole debate. I really think its past the stage of altering the direction this production is going in. I don't think anything we see forthcoming will be surprising. The traits of this are set solid.
So in a nutshell:
Don't know if it steers (or care)- I don't work for Dodge.
Don't know if my quote is full of shit (or care)- I am not a scatologist.
Quote from: vzzbux on 23 January, 2011, 07:50:15 AM
Quote from: heisthelaw on 22 January, 2011, 01:19:19 AM
It doesn't look too good compared to the Judge Minty version (seen on the left):
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/6090/dreddlawmastercompariso.jpg
I'm sure it will look better within the context of a finished scene with the fast cut editing, lighting, CGI backdrop, music but there's no doubt it has a bit of a slapdash look to it. Not sure how the Judge Minty production crew with limited budget can get it spot-on but a 45 million dollar budget film can't. :-*
Just shown both these pics to my son (6 year old) and he prefers the one on the right.
V
It does look a bit like a kid on a fancy toy bike though.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 January, 2011, 09:32:26 PM
I've been out tonight and I'm. Well pissed but, foir fuck's ake, shut up. Whay bullshit. Pleas, please fuck off.
That's my favourite line from
The Black Hole too!
:lol:
Quote from: jbezzina on 23 January, 2011, 07:20:23 AM
I would surely hate reading that this would turn out to be listed as once of the worst movies of the year.
That sort of judgement is very unlikely to be based on the supposed quality of the props.
Was just reading there that District 9 was made for 30 million dollars so it goes to show what you can do with a limited budget (I thought District 9 was fantastic). I am hoping that Dredd with it's bigger budget can do something similar.
Well so far it all looks rather too "near future" for me. The bike is pretty poor, from the pictures at least, as is the uniform.
I am not holding too high hoped for the movie, but I still really hope it can pulla surprise out of the bag.
I'm wondering what the non-justice dept vehicles are going to be like - considering it looks like they've got strained resources, I imagine they went and bought a load of really cheap pieces of crap for the citizens, and dressed them down even further (primer, mixed paint jobs).
Or they put out a casting call for tatty looking car extras to drive on the other carriageway.
Everyone will be on bicycles.
I'm puzzled that on one hand, people are complaining about the contemporary look of the vehicles- and then, when complaining about the look of the Lawmaster are recommending they use... umm... a contemporary bike?
Am I missing something here?
It's called bedroom film-making.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 23 January, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
I'm puzzled that on one hand, people are complaining about the contemporary look of the vehicles- and then, when complaining about the look of the Lawmaster are recommending they use... umm... a contemporary bike?
Am I missing something here?
Yes, they're suggesting alternatives that they think would have looked better, but still may have been within budget and fitted the rest of the movie.
No, I don't think its got anything to do with bedrooms. I think its a matter of one bike looking better than the other. One looks home made and the other doesn't. But who knows, maybe it will work.
Perhaps the whole point to this particular imagining is that the whole feel to the Dredd world will be ghetto. It wont be the flying cars, neon, fads and all, but a Tembisa/Soweto version. I doubt it will be anything like what we see in the progs. To those who don't read the progs, this Judge Max style to it may work. In which case the inadequate budget and poor design might be a blessing in disguise! Not sure if I'd want it to be a success though. I really wouldn't want to see more movies taking this angle.
We'll just have to wait for the trailer... then all shit will break loose here
Quote from: minus on 23 January, 2011, 10:52:28 AMNot sure if I'd want it to be a success though.
For 2000AD's and Rebellion's sake I think that's a bit too negative and a bit childish. Even if I don't like the result, I still hope it works as a film and makes tons of money. It will help raise the profile of the prog and characters and give it a boost for a few years, that can't be too bad. The Stallone film did enough damage by being a bad film. Hoping the film will fail is just negative for it's own sake.
I don't think it will hurt to say that in the meeting they were very taken with the original 'Mad Max' vibe.
Their point being Dredd was 'originally a basic motorbike cop'.
Being a 2000AD fan from the early years I got used to different artistic interpretations of Dredd so while the basic idea of Dredd is the same and the look too, I have no problem with some artistic license for the film's Dredd: early years look. It will be the mood, tone and characters that will make this film a success
QuoteIt will be the mood, tone and characters that will make this film a success
Y'see, it's this sort of common sense and intelligent comment that'll get you thrown off the interweb one day...
I know, my time is limited. Making the best of it...
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 23 January, 2011, 11:13:06 AM
QuoteIt will be the mood, tone and characters that will make this film a success
Y'see, it's this sort of common sense and intelligent comment that'll get you thrown off the interweb one day...
Hmmm... someone's got soap in their eyes
Minus by name, minus by...
Christ! 2 days without internetz and look what happens!
I'm liking that Lawmaster alot. It's certainly not perfect, but it's still instantly recognisable as a lawmaster to me :)
Me likey!
Lawmaster on the loose-involved Dredd's Lawmaster going awol and blasting everything in sight including a tube train full of commuters if I remember correctly.
We, here on the forums seem to be equally shell shocked by Film's Lawmaster design but it's done folks. If you don't care for the design [and I include myself in this] well we haven't seen the final design in context re-lit,etc so I might not like the bike but that's the one the Film makers have decided is going in the Movie. Game over.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2011, 10:33:51 AM
Everyone will be on bicycles.
Yeah I can just see Max Normal riding around on a Penny Farthing :lol:
Seriously as i've said before I feel the look of the bike is in keeping with the style of movie that they are making and reckon it will look the nuts tearing up MC1 whoever is riding it :)
I like it.
The thread would have to start with my name on it.. Oh well..
I'm quite sure there are better angles of that bike..
Got used to it a little bit,not a lot,ain't perfect but i can deal with it(just...through gritted teeth).I will say that the uniform IS great though,infact im loving it,the paramilitary look is a bonus IMO and i look forward to hopefully buying a Sideshow collectible helmet for my geek room.
IF this is a sorta Dredd year 1, fine would like a more traditional LW next time though.DNA could do with lessons in damage control.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 January, 2011, 01:06:53 PM
The thread would have to start with my name on it.. Oh well..
LOL,sorry mate but gotta laugh.
Not crazy bout the bike but don't hate it either. I do however think the uniform is grest.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 23 January, 2011, 12:06:48 PM
Lawmaster on the loose-involved Dredd's Lawmaster going awol and blasting everything in sight including a tube train full of commuters if I remember correctly.
We, here on the forums seem to be equally shell shocked by Film's Lawmaster design but it's done folks. If you don't care for the design [and I include myself in this] well we haven't seen the final design in context re-lit,etc so I might not like the bike but that's the one the Film makers have decided is going in the Movie. Game over.
You can do what you like with the bike and mess around with lighting and angles and show it in a different context etc but the design of the bike will still be the same as it is in the pic we have here.
Look at the pic of the other bike that i commented on earlier and see how that looks good in the pic and how it doesnt need different lighting and angles and context etc because something that looks good will look good in any light from any angle and in any context and there is far too much of that kind of talk going on here when its the design of the bike that is being criticised and lighting isnt going to help and lighting isnt going to change the riding position etc.The back end of it in the pic reminds me of the design of a scooter.Taste in design is subjective though unfortunately.
FWIW i agree with your comment otherwise as we get what we are given and it all depends on either how easily pleased you are or how forgiving you are prepared to be.We have seen the final design as someone else here pointed out that the prop designs are all finished.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 January, 2011, 01:06:53 PM
The thread would have to start with my name on it.. Oh well..
If you think that could potentially be misconstrued and get you into more trouble I would ask one of the mods to change it. They're very obliging when it comes to reasonable requests.
While this motorbike clearly ain't the big turbo-powered beauty from the comics, I don't know enough about bikes to comment on its design. I look forward to hearing about the film-makers' intentions and reasons for it. Many factors will come into play - budget, practicality, performance etc etc etc.
I would like to have seen something closer to the comics (I always hope that films stay as faithful to source material as possible) but, at this early stage, I am neither enthusiastic nor disappointed over the bike. I just want to see it in action, hopefully in a GOOD Dredd film!
I think they've done an awesome job. I cannot wait to see that bad boy in action. It reminds me of the pummelling no nonsense design of Shakara's meat-hook shaped ship.
When I first saw the picture I had to really sit back and have a think because it is nothing like I imagined. The first thought was it's post apocalyptic look. It clashed with a sense of cold and grandiose authority I'm used to in the comic.
But on shaking it through a few internal filters, this bike is going to nail perps on any terrain. And it's going to act like a weapon itself. He's also going to lean forward too at speed, hopefully do some top stunts on the beast, like, "look Ma Ma! No hands!" as he blows some goons away with a two handed grip of his lawgiver, whilst piling over a skedway barrier onto a lower strip of road.
It'd be lovely to see Mega-city under construction from the arts' department
Not impressed by this...
It looks like a regular bike with a jet ski tacked on to the front..... for a TV movie made in the 80's.
This is clearly not set in the time frame of the comic... someone mentioned near future, that just about sums it up. I'm still thinking alternative present day.
Hopes for this film just dropped quite a bit.
But at the end of the day we must remember... this is NOT a Judge Dredd film.... it is a film only BASED on Judge Dredd.
Adaptation,took me 3 Lord of the Rings films to come to terms with that word.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 23 January, 2011, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 January, 2011, 01:06:53 PM
The thread would have to start with my name on it.. Oh well..
If you think that could potentially be misconstrued and get you into more trouble I would ask one of the mods to change it. They're very obliging when it comes to reasonable requests.
Ah well.. At least I didn't take the pics and post 'em.. If I did I'd at least take a pic from a more flattering angle..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 January, 2011, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 23 January, 2011, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 January, 2011, 01:06:53 PM
The thread would have to start with my name on it.. Oh well..
If you think that could potentially be misconstrued and get you into more trouble I would ask one of the mods to change it. They're very obliging when it comes to reasonable requests.
Ah well.. At least I didn't take the pics and post 'em.. If I did I'd at least take a pic from a more flattering angle..
So is it just the angle of the pic or is it really that bad??
What details are we missing from that angle??
Even a wee hint would do.
Even without seeing other angles, shot from the front, low, with a wide angle lens would make it look more imposing, and make it appear larger in relation to the rider.
The one thing I don't really get, is even sticking with that design, chopping a notch out of the top left of the faring (in that pic), adding a bit more detail with intakes, or something would have helped.
But, what's done is done - it still baffles me though.
Sorry. Can't -publicly- say anything any more..
..And it's really frustrating..
<Michaelvk prepares for pm inbox armaggeddon!>
SBT
If it were me, I'd have put on some Spotlight style headlights/lamps,
Put the handlebars mid way in the fairing...
(http://gaslightgarage.com/dreddammend.gif)
Never mind the bike, look at the rubbish extra. He's hardly what a proper mega city 1 citizen should look like, where's the belly wheel? the get sumped ugly face? the KNEE PADS??? RUBBISH! (what's that you say ? he was just some passer by and this isn't a publicity shot so, therefore, you shouldn't judge it in those terms... humbug I say! HUMBUG!)
-[K
That's no way to talk about the Chief Judge, PJ.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 January, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
Sorry. Can't -publicly- say anything any more..
..And it's really frustrating..
I'll take that as code for 'You guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about'
Obviously we haven't even seen nearly enough to make a proper judgment yet and even that photoshop tweak above has made the Lawmaster look a couple % cooler than before.
The Lawmaster image has also overshadowed the reveal of the full Judge Uniform which seems pretty good. Some similar spy pics of Captain America on a motorcycle came out a while ago that made that production look suspect too, but all of the official pics of that film to come out since look good.
This judge appears to be heading the wrong way down a one way street.
Quote from: Cthulouis on 23 January, 2011, 05:35:32 PM
This judge appears to be heading the wrong way down a one way street.
When a Judge breaks the Law, there is no Law...
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 23 January, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
But at the end of the day we must remember... this is NOT a Judge Dredd film.... it is a film only BASED on Judge Dredd.
That is the most sensible thing anyone has said about this film so far and its completely true.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 January, 2011, 08:26:01 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 January, 2011, 07:34:49 PM
They need to replace who ever was in charge of vehicles in the next film IF they make one,everything else is fine.The uniform is passable,no complaints but i just can't get over the cars and that 'bike'.My Suzuki GZ looks more like Dredds ride than that.
I'm sure if you have a spare couple of million to donate for larger, more impressive vehicle construction/hire/outfitting, they'll happily accept.
A couple of million???!!I dont recall Dredd riding a gold-plated ,diamond encrusted bike firing armoured piercing emeralds at perps -do you?
For such a big company their productions values suck -and if I hear anymore comparisions with Robocop (an utterly shite film) or 'not the right lighting or context' I'll puke
I'd see a doctor about that...
QuoteRobocop (an utterly shite film)
I think that's all we need to know.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 January, 2011, 01:11:07 AM
I can't believe anyone's sticking up for that. It looks cheap. It also looks like one of those bikes you'd see at a downmarket custom type show. Dredd's bike should look expensive, BIG and he should look like he's sitting on a whacking great chopper with his hands further up in the air on higher handlebars. He shouldn't look like he's riding a flippin scooter.
First of all the uniform looks cheap and not much like the comics (apart from the helmet) and now this cheap looking bike.
I'm losing faith in this production fast.
Everyone just needs to calm down.Contrary to earlier posts this is simply a new low -tech Mobility scooter that has no connection to the Dredd movie :lol:
Quote
A couple of million???!!I dont recall Dredd riding a gold-plated ,diamond encrusted bike firing armoured piercing emeralds at perps -do you?
For such a big company their productions values suck -and if I hear anymore comparisions with Robocop (an utterly shite film) or 'not the right lighting or context' I'll puke
So why don't you just fuck off now then?
All this fuss over a few blurry pictures. Deary, deary me.
If you don't like it, fine. Everyone's intitled to an opinion but if you keep going on about how much you don't like it, well, that seems a bit troll-ish.
I don't like the film Vinyan but I don't feel the need to go on about it all the time on the imdb.
It's not that someone dislikes the film, it is just the way they put their opinion across. SBT has stated he does not like the look of the film, but he did it in a mature and sensible way.
Quote from: Ratty on 23 January, 2011, 06:39:28 PM
It's not that someone dislikes the film, it is just the way they put their opinion across. SBT has stated he does not like the look of the film, but he did it in a mature and sensible way.
I think SBT may sue over that comment :D
Quote from: Cyclopz on 23 January, 2011, 05:35:09 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 January, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
Sorry. Can't -publicly- say anything any more..
..And it's really frustrating..
I'll take that as code for 'You guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about'
Obviously we haven't even seen nearly enough to make a proper judgment yet and even that photoshop tweak above has made the Lawmaster look a couple % cooler than before.
The Lawmaster image has also overshadowed the reveal of the full Judge Uniform which seems pretty good. Some similar spy pics of Captain America on a motorcycle came out a while ago that made that production look suspect too, but all of the official pics of that film to come out since look good.
A bit harsh, possibly, but sort of..
Quote from: danno on 22 January, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dragon-King-Ryuuzin-Whitehouse-custom-Valkyrie-3.jpg) I was hoping for something more like this.
Now that looks great -definate wow factor
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 23 January, 2011, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: danno on 22 January, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dragon-King-Ryuuzin-Whitehouse-custom-Valkyrie-3.jpg) I was hoping for something more like this.
Now that looks great -definate wow factor
I don't see why they couldn't have modeled a fiberglass cast or vacuum formed a skin (or whatever it is they do these days) of something like this and bolted it onto the frame of the bike they have... instant cool lawmaster!
No, i am very definitely mature and sensible. Im also not much of a fan of robocop- or at least, the adult me isnt. The 15 year old me liked it at the cinema, cos it was funny and violent, like my mum. Amusingly, the girl who worked on the fag kiosk at the supermarket i worked in at the time asked me what i was doing, on that far-off friday night. When i told her she giggled uncontrollably and said 'ooh yes please'. This confused me until she went bright red, and blurted out 'oh! i thought you asked me if i wanted to see your rubber cock!' and ran away.
But no, im definately mature and sensible now.
SBT
typing this while doing a plop at work.
Sensible, eh?
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 23 January, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
I'm puzzled that on one hand, people are complaining about the contemporary look of the vehicles- and then, when complaining about the look of the Lawmaster are recommending they use... umm... a contemporary bike?
Am I missing something here?
Yes ,an adequate level of common sense
While I think the bike could use bigger wheels I don't think it looks bad at all.
And if they're going for 'gritty and realistic' a smaller bike actually would be more effective on the crowded roads of a big city where a lot of winding and weaving is required. I've often actually thought that when looking at the original bike, iconic though it is.
Besides, if this is set before the events of the first comic I could see that bike as being a kind of intermediate design between the lawranger and later lawmaster as others have said.
Quote from: Krombasher on 23 January, 2011, 03:00:44 PM
I think they've done an awesome job. I cannot wait to see that bad boy in action. It reminds me of the pummelling no nonsense design of Shakaras ship
MEDICATION bed five!STAT!We're losing him.....
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 23 January, 2011, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: danno on 22 January, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dragon-King-Ryuuzin-Whitehouse-custom-Valkyrie-3.jpg) I was hoping for something more like this.
Now that looks great -definate wow factor
Well, if the film-makers are going for the post Atom War dirty hellhole of a Mega City in a crime-ridden chaos (gritty and realistic, yes - that's right ;)) you wouldn't expect to see a lot of those shiny bikes around do you? :-*
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 23 January, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Robocop (an utterly shite film)
All further opinions disregarded.
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/movie-lawmaster.jpg)
Don't know whether it looks like a Lawmaster, but it definitely looks like this-
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/Vision_800_concept.jpg)
the 2006 Victory Motorcycles Vision-800 Concept.
I guess the Art Department guys turned this up on Google Imagesearch last June and thought "That'll do nicely!"
Cheers-
THis thread is making the once lovely 2000AD site look like the rest of the internet. That's a bad thing.
Not really keen on that bike but I'll not go on about it and I'll wait and see how it looks in the finished film.
Naturally, it would be great to be able to say "Oh my goodness, that loooks absolutely spot on as I imagined it and perfect in every detail" but even then, it still wouldn't give me a clue as to what the finished film would be like.
As Revenge of the Sith was on yesterday I'll use that as an example. People looked at the leaked photos of Hayden Christensen in the Darth Vader outfit and said "What a spot on replica outfit; improved even on the original. I'll bet that scene where he comes to life as Darth Vader is just fantastic...".
Is that what happened? I can't rightly recall.
Last time I'm getting involved in one of these threads.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 23 January, 2011, 05:35:09 PM
The Lawmaster image has also overshadowed the reveal of the full Judge Uniform which seems pretty good. .
Would still like to see the right shoulder eagle.. :)
The elbow/knee pads & boots are green, looks good!
He has the same biker neck-proctection as Karl urban in the 1st picture.
What do you guys think? Is this some stunt-uniform or the real deal?
Nice find Jack..almost identical and welcome to the board!
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 23 January, 2011, 07:47:02 PM
THis thread is making the once lovely 2000AD site look like the rest of the internet.
Get used to it, Tips. There's a year of this to go yet.
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 January, 2011, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 23 January, 2011, 07:47:02 PM
THis thread is making the once lovely 2000AD site look like the rest of the internet.
Get used to it, Tips. There's a year of this to go yet.
Only a year, of course, because once the film is released it will be universally acclaimed by all of fandom. /sarcasm.
I suspect John Wagner has it right. Most of the fans will like it, but it can't possibly please everyone. If this thread is anything to go by I'm sure those who aren't pleased will make their voices heard... at length and repeatedly with liberal use of constructive criticisms like "utter shite", "biggest load of crap ever", "utterly pathetic" and so forth.
So we still have all that to look forward to.
Quote from: jack3d1 on 23 January, 2011, 07:43:55 PM
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/movie-lawmaster.jpg)
Don't know whether it looks like a Lawmaster, but it definitely looks like this-
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/Vision_800_concept.jpg)
the 2006 Victory Motorcycles Vision-800 Concept.
I guess the Art Department guys turned this up on Google Imagesearch last June and thought "That'll do nicely!"
Cheers-
Certainly looks like it, I'm guessing they found a similar bike and modded it to match, since by the looks of it that only made it to the concept stage.
I actually prefer the concept though...
(http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/5083_24010641442.jpg)
Good find!
If bike bashers are coming up with googled "future bikes" then I will throw this in.
Coo wide wheels,
Could more than pass for the law master than in the blurrry photo.
Yawn Yawn Blah Blah etc etc........
(http://mylovetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/2010-Cosmos-4RWF-V81.bmp)
If you want to a film that has perfect uniform, lawmaster, lawgiver etc that is true to the comic then fund the fucker yourself.
Its their money, they have had the guts to take this on after the 95 fiasco. The decisions have been made, props have been made, some may not like it thats fair enough. If you think the film is going to be shit from a few piccy's at such an early stage of production then don't watch it and keep off the thread and start a Dredd film bashing thread.
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I don't think that Jack came on here to 'bike bash' vzz?!
Just think he seems to have found the bike the film lawmaster was based on and to be honest..now I've seen that it makes more sense as a motorcycle
I'm a lot happier now
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 23 January, 2011, 08:26:57 PM
I don't think that Jack came on here to 'bike bash' vzz?!
Just think he seems to have found the bike the film lawmaster was based on and to be honest..now I've seen that it makes more sense as a motorcycle
I'm a lot happier now
I am happy with the comparison find its not that I am having a go at. That was a great spot and a great first post. Its the other ones that some have come up with.
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I'm undecided about this, maybe it's a bad angle, but it's not really a design classic is it?
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 23 January, 2011, 07:04:13 PM
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dragon-King-Ryuuzin-Whitehouse-custom-Valkyrie-3.jpg) I was hoping for something more like this.
I don't see why they couldn't have modeled a fiberglass cast or vacuum formed a skin (or whatever it is they do these days) of something like this and bolted it onto the frame of the bike they have... instant cool lawmaster!
Maybe because buying such a limited and expensive bike costs too much money to end up modifying?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 23 January, 2011, 07:06:02 PM
When i told her she giggled uncontrollably and said 'ooh yes please'. This confused me until she went bright red, and blurted out 'oh! i thought you asked me if i wanted to see your rubber cock!' and ran away.
I realise this is a little 'after the fact' - but I think you might be in there, mate. Nip round see if she's still about...
It also looks pretty narrow from the front.
(http://www.indomotorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Whitehouse-Honda-Valkyrie-Dragon-King-03.jpg)
I know It's just a movie bike, but it just looks so cheap.
How about just putting a bigger gas tank on this one...
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/14/gunbus3.jpg)
You signed up to post that?
No look... as so many of the more [cough cough] mature members have pointed out, the decision on the bike has been made- end of story. They have made the best decision and are in total control of what they are doing. I have great faith in them and all they do. They know what is best for you and me.
I'm waiting excitedly on more news on the lawgiver. Any news on this? Will it fire paper caps or those plastic ring caps? I'm hoping for the plastic ring caps but the budget wouldn't probably go that far. Rubber bullets and tear gas would be nice too but spuds and water are more likely.
Here's another shot of the concept bike
I'm actually starting to warm to the design
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WZ8rv52HSamnDM::www.motorcyclesgarage.info/tag/Victory%2BMotorcycles&t=1&usg=AFrqEzfVIfZn1M1yQEyhwuIu6zBpsJpHsw)
Quote from: minus on 23 January, 2011, 10:17:12 PM
No look... as so many of the more [cough cough] mature members have pointed out, the decision on the bike has been made- end of story. They have made the best decision and are in total control of what they are doing. I have great faith in them and all they do. They know what is best for you and me.
I'm waiting excitedly on more news on the lawgiver. Any news on this? Will it fire paper caps or those plastic ring caps? I'm hoping for the plastic ring caps but the budget wouldn't probably go that far. Rubber bullets and tear gas would be nice too but spuds and water are more likely.
your point, other than naive sarcasm, is?
Quote from: minus on 23 January, 2011, 10:17:12 PM
No look... as so many of the more [cough cough] mature members have pointed out, the decision on the bike has been made- end of story. They have made the best decision and are in total control of what they are doing. I have great faith in them and all they do. They know what is best for you and me.
I'm waiting excitedly on more news on the lawgiver. Any news on this? Will it fire paper caps or those plastic ring caps? I'm hoping for the plastic ring caps but the budget wouldn't probably go that far. Rubber bullets and tear gas would be nice too but spuds and water are more likely.
Since one of the guys responsible for the lawgiver lost his job over posting info, and is still posting here - I'd wind it in on that subject if I were you.
I think it's a classic case of Sod's Law that the guy with the mobile happened to catch the worst possible angle.
If there is any Vision-800 dna in (ahem) DNA's Lawmaster, then this bike could look really impressive from the front/three-quarters
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/Vision-front.jpg)
Stark, aggressive, unforgiving - and plenty of room for an eagle!
Just as a point of interest, this is what the concept bike eventually mutated into-
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/victory_vision-right_view.jpg)
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/Victory-Vision-Tour-1.jpg)
Cheers-
(EDIT:Oops- someone beat me to it!)
Quote from: Ill logic on 23 January, 2011, 10:04:54 PM
I know It's just a movie bike, but it just looks so cheap.
How about just putting a bigger gas tank on this one...
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/14/gunbus3.jpg)
GREAT BIKE.GREAT POST .WELCOME (just watch out for the soap on the floor)
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 23 January, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
For such a big company their productions values suck -and if I hear anymore comparisions with Robocop (an utterly shite film) or 'not the right lighting or context' I'll puke
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 23 January, 2011, 11:08:18 PM
GREAT BIKE.GREAT POST .WELCOME (just watch out for the soap on the floor)
This, from someone who has little more criticism to offer than proclaiming: "For such a big company their productions values suck" and the soon to be classic: "Robocop (an utterly shite film)".
Proceed with caution, Troll under bridge.
Come back when you grow a pair...of
brain hemispheres that is.
Found another pic, which gives a better understanding of its size.
(http://thekneeslider.com/images/gunbus-1.jpg)
Size matters not.
Ancient proverb.
And this is from Mr Suds who apparently thinks this is the most important question: QUOTE: So the most important quetion of all...does Joe have facial hair? :lol:
Sudsy is a good sort really. The more I read his posts, the more I like him! He's a bit wet behind the ears... he's only been breaking heads since 75.
Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 23 January, 2011, 10:27:05 PM
Here's another shot of the concept bike
I'm actually starting to warm to the design
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WZ8rv52HSamnDM::www.motorcyclesgarage.info/tag/Victory%2BMotorcycles&t=1&usg=AFrqEzfVIfZn1M1yQEyhwuIu6zBpsJpHsw)
Excellent find to the first poster, kind of liking it from this angle, glad this pictures were found. Hope it looks like that with an eagle on the front.
Quote from: minus on 23 January, 2011, 11:47:03 PM
And this is from Mr Suds who apparently thinks this is the most important question: QUOTE: So the most important quetion of all...does Joe have facial hair? :lol:
Sudsy is a good sort really. The more I read his posts, the more I like him! He's a bit wet behind the ears... he's only been breaking heads since 75.
Jokes are lost on the humour impaired.
What's this? Lets all gang up on Mr soap. On a school play ground that would be classed as bullying.
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Only to those who like it.
I've totally lost track over which of these eejits is Scojo. Is it everybody now?
(Not you, Sir Soap).
I really like the new bike design. The more these idiots dislike it, the more I like it.
I think it looks fine. It'll interesting to see those guns in action.
Quote from: vzzbux on 24 January, 2011, 12:02:08 AM
What's this? Lets all gang up on Mr soap. On a school play ground that would be classed as bullying.
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It's only bullying if there is a victim. I don't think Joe Soap gives a shit.
I think it's the way he's riding it that's a bit distracting--it's clear that the bike is supposed to be ridden like the ones from Tron Legacy, and I think it'd look better if it was a photo of it during a shoot.
I also wonder if this is just supposed to be a background one--might want to see a full one for the main stars...
Is this the same bike ?
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Victory%20Vision%20800%20%20%203.jpg)
(http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Victory_Vision_800.jpg)
(http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/5083_24010641240.jpg)
Quote from: Satnav on 24 January, 2011, 01:30:03 AM
I think it's the way he's riding it that's a bit distracting--it's clear that the bike is supposed to be ridden like the ones from Tron Legacy, and I think it'd look better if it was a photo of it during a shoot.
Just Tron, kid. Light cycles have always been ridden that way. :cool:
While some of the other motorbikes posted on these pages look cool, in particular the modified Honda Valkyrie, I wonder how practical they would be for use as a lawmaster. Surely a Judge needs to sit upright to see what is around and be able to use his/her lawgiver and daystick etc.
So far, from the very little we have seen, I would say it seems as if the hardware in this film is being designed to look as if it works, rather than looking flashy and cool. The look is growing on me. And seeing that guy in the full Judge uniform with the body armour puts the size of the helmet in proportion.
I am getting the impression that stuff in this film is certainly not being designed for the sake of merchandise. I stand to be corrected of course but that's how things seem to me so far.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2011, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 23 January, 2011, 07:04:13 PM
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dragon-King-Ryuuzin-Whitehouse-custom-Valkyrie-3.jpg) I was hoping for something more like this.
I don't see why they couldn't have modeled a fiberglass cast or vacuum formed a skin (or whatever it is they do these days) of something like this and bolted it onto the frame of the bike they have... instant cool lawmaster!
Maybe because buying such a limited and expensive bike costs too much money to end up modifying?
No, you misunderstood... I'm not saying modify that bike, I ment modify the frame of the one they have now to look a bit more like the one in the pic.
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2011/01/judge-dredd%E2%80%99s-new-lawmaster/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2011/01/judge-dredd%E2%80%99s-new-lawmaster/)
QuoteThe bike itself appears to be based on a 2005-ish GSX-R1000 (judging by the swingarm pivots and characteristic hole where they meet the frame spars), just with a massively extended swingarm, ridiculous rearsets and a rear subframe that must be an impressive feat of engineering if its supporting a rider's weight that far to the rear.
(http://www.bumpstop.com/gallery/data/508/medium/2005-GSXR-1000.jpg)
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Read the last couple of pages Cyclops..it's definitely based on that concept bike..but with chunkier wheels..almost the exact shape
Looks a lot better there!
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 23 January, 2011, 11:08:18 PM
Quote from: Ill logic on 23 January, 2011, 10:04:54 PM
I know It's just a movie bike, but it just looks so cheap.
How about just putting a bigger gas tank on this one...
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/14/gunbus3.jpg)
GREAT BIKE.GREAT POST .WELCOME (just watch out for the soap on the floor)
Once more with feeling
Quote
Once more with feeling
But is it too big for Dredd?
(http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/475409/5611323/gunbus-design-16-15583.jpg)
Do you just log in and out with different accounts?
Quote from: Ill logic on 24 January, 2011, 09:47:01 PM
Quote
Once more with feeling
But is it too big for Dredd?
(http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/475409/5611323/gunbus-design-16-15583.jpg)
ronnie corbett rides again.
Well this thread got tired quickly.
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Quote from: Beeks(Formerly George Moore) on 24 January, 2011, 09:50:23 PM
Do you just log in and out with different accounts?
He's been all over the AICN talkback boards like an overly self-referential rash, too.
Quote from: Noisybast on 25 January, 2011, 12:05:05 AM
... the AICN talkback boards...
Yikes. I just had a look. Lawmaster hasn't exactly gone down well over there.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 24 December, 2010, 11:30:29 PM
Do you know what I haven't eaten in ages?
Potato waffles.
Never had 'em.
Any good?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 January, 2011, 11:41:10 PM
Size matters not.
Ancient proverb.
That's a Yoda quote. And let's face it, he
would say that.
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 25 January, 2011, 03:05:05 AM
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 24 December, 2010, 11:30:29 PM
Do you know what I haven't eaten in ages?
Potato waffles.
Never had 'em.
Any good?
They're waffley versatile.
Potato waffles, fish fingers and beans. The perfect council tea.
Tea as well, not dinner.
That's what the posh people eat.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 25 January, 2011, 01:42:22 AM
Quote from: Noisybast on 25 January, 2011, 12:05:05 AM
... the AICN talkback boards...
Yikes. I just had a look. Lawmaster hasn't exactly gone down well over there.
I swear, that wasn't me with the MegaForce comment.
Megaforce... damn this thread, I'd never heard of it before.
Heck, was it a spoof?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpH1yMGxh5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1NpZxn860M&feature=related
Quote from: Stan on 25 January, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 25 January, 2011, 01:42:22 AM
Quote from: Noisybast on 25 January, 2011, 12:05:05 AM
... the AICN talkback boards...
Yikes. I just had a look. Lawmaster hasn't exactly gone down well over there.
I swear, that wasn't me with the MegaForce comment.
98% of the stuff commentated is pure ignorance. Any positive remarks are drowned by the haters because their lives only exist on the internet. These people beyond the computer lead bleak existences and gain some fame with their immature opinions over on that site. At least here, there is good discussion and balanced views without too much bias.
Oh dear,
Dredds lawmaster is supposed to be big and powerful and this looks as big and powerful as Phil Daniel's scooter in Quadrophenea.
At least give it the chopper handlebars.
The little I've seen of this film looks all wrong,the Judicial vehicles just don't look futuristic enough, where is all the Judges hard tech? the Manta prowl tanks weather control,you know the advanced technology you expect to see in Mega City one.
It all looks wrong and at the moment the Stalone Dredd looks a better film in keeping with what we know as Dredd.
Quotethe Stalone Dredd looks a better film in keeping with what we know as Dredd
Visually? That may arguably be the case - we'll have to wait and see (though the Stallone version of Dredd and Mega-City is too 'clean' and generically
Blade Runner-esque for my liking, and from what I've seen of the new uniform, I much prefer it to the poncey Versace-designed version from the 1995 movie).
Tonally? No way - the new version is going to be far closer to the tone and spirit of the original comics. The Stallone version was visually pretty good, but it totally failed to capture the feel and attitude of the source material. I'm especially looking forward to seeing Urban's performance - according to John Wagner, he has totally nailed this role.
Quote
the Judicial vehicles just don't look futuristic enough, where is all the Judges hard tech? the Manta prowl tanks weather control,you know the advanced technology you expect to see in Mega City one.
The new Dredd is going to look like what it is - a Judge Dredd movie done on a relatively low budget. Personally I think a property like Dredd is more suited to being a gritty, lean independent movie than a huge blockbuster, and it bodes well that the producers are evidently being quite realistic about what they can achieve - I'd rather have something tightly focused and polished than having them totally overreach themselves on the effects and fall flat on their faces.
I don't even think '90s Dredd was particularly Blade Runner. I think it wanted to be, but it came off too polished (in stark contrast to Fifth Element, which brilliantly mixed glossy future tech, urban nightmare and Dredd-like satire). And while people might moan about aspects of the new Dredd (including the bike), I'd sooner see Dredd wearing gear that might save his life (i.e. armour) than a lycra leotard adorned with some clunky shiny 'metal' crap.
Mind you, it's also worth noting that the '90s movie clearly had budget issues. The same set was used for a bunch of scenes—a fairly distinct pipe shows up again and again. Also, Dredd is the only judge that wears an eagle, for no reason whatsoever. EXCEPT! When Dredd sneaks back into the city and needs to strip another judge and steal his clothes, luckily there's the only other judge in the movie who also has an eagle. PHEW!
And, yeah, tone's what'll win it for me. Who knows? Maybe this movie will suck; it certainly won't be 'perfect' and there's no way it could ever have please everyone (even a literal translation of America would have people moaning that it's not the 'right' story). But the direction seems a lot more promising than the generic Stallone vehicle that the 1990s Dredd rapidly turned into (especially since it was inferior to Demolition Man, which itself hadn't long been out).
Here's to cult B-movie grindhouse style dirt-biking lawmasters!
It'd be good to see if the Judges were as out of control as the perps in the auld days. But fascists!
Indigo, I just thought I'd moan about a literal translation of 'America' not being the 'right' story. 'America' is great. It's the Meg we grew up with, and it's a story with consistancy and maturity and real characters and real goals and all in line with the spirit of Dredd and the Mega City that developed over all those years, but the twist of the story is very heavily reliant on the medium. Because we 'read' the sound we have no idea, until the end, that we've been listening to the ladies voice all along... that's what makes it so cool, the story takes advantage of the fact that we're NOT watching a movie...
Oh, and I bet that crappy scooter with the fat bloke on it will probably have us all salivating when we see it as intended.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
And, yeah, tone's what'll win it for me. Who knows? Maybe this movie will suck; it certainly won't be 'perfect' and there's no way it could ever have please everyone (even a literal translation of America would have people moaning that it's not the 'right' story).
How about doing it the Sin City way? Sin City just translated Frank Millers graphic novels as they were using camera angles which were in the comic strip panels pretty faithfully, and it worked just fine.
Just pick 5 very different stories from JD and film them. Use different lead actor to play Dredd in every story and use different outfit & style in every story to portray different ways JD was drawn over the years. Key thing is that you stay true to the style and story of the originals and you can't go wrong.
Instead fans of complaining that the lead was a poor choice, they argue who was the best Dredd, Which was the best "style" for JD etc.
I don't understand this need to make the JD universe "believable", as it was never about that. It is an over the top, right wing, police state dystopia where these juicy stories can take place. I don't think any JD fan believes JD to portray the future society, so why this need to change the visual style to represent a believable future? I think the director is missing the point with JD.
Quote from: darnmarr on 25 January, 2011, 04:44:25 PMIndigo, I just thought I'd moan about a literal translation of 'America' not being the 'right' story. [...] Because we 'read' the sound we have no idea, until the end, that we've been listening to the ladies voice all along... that's what makes it so cool, the story takes advantage of the fact that we're NOT watching a movie...
Agreed. But that's the point. Plenty of people here have cited that as a comic that would work as a Dredd movie; or they've said they should be filming Judge Death; or they should be slavish to the comic in every last detail; and so on.
Quote from: Ill logic on 25 January, 2011, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
And, yeah, tone's what'll win it for me. Who knows? Maybe this movie will suck; it certainly won't be 'perfect' and there's no way it could ever have please everyone (even a literal translation of America would have people moaning that it's not the 'right' story).
How about doing it the Sin City way? Sin City just translated Frank Millers graphic novels as they were using camera angles which were in the comic strip panels pretty faithfully, and it worked just fine.
Just pick 5 very different stories from JD and film them. Use different lead actor to play Dredd in every story and use different outfit & style in every story to portray different ways JD was drawn over the years. Key thing is that you stay true to the style and story of the originals and you can't go wrong.
Instead fans of complaining that the lead was a poor choice, they argue who was the best Dredd, Which was the best "style" for JD etc.
I don't understand this need to make the JD universe "believable", as it was never about that. It is an over the top, right wing, police state dystopia where these juicy stories can take place. I don't think any JD fan believes JD to portray the future society, so why this need to change the visual style to represent a believable future? I think the director is missing the point with JD.
I think it's either a choice to distance itself from the Stallone film, or exterior scenes which resemble the comic MC1 are not achievable within the budget. Or a bit of both.
To have an extensive exterior chase through traffic would have required a lot of custom vehicles, or would have required a great deal of the vehicles to have been CG.
Personally I would have preferred the 3D side to have been ditched, and that money invested in making a more visually faithful Meg, but since everyone and his dog is doing it, I guess it was part of the deal that it had to be 3D.
Quote from: Ill logic on 25 January, 2011, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
And, yeah, tone's what'll win it for me. Who knows? Maybe this movie will suck; it certainly won't be 'perfect' and there's no way it could ever have please everyone (even a literal translation of America would have people moaning that it's not the 'right' story).
How about doing it the Sin City way? Sin City just translated Frank Millers graphic novels as they were using camera angles which were in the comic strip panels pretty faithfully, and it worked just fine.
Just pick 5 very different stories from JD and film them. Use different lead actor to play Dredd in every story and use different outfit & style in every story to portray different ways JD was drawn over the years. Key thing is that you stay true to the style and story of the originals and you can't go wrong.
Instead fans of complaining that the lead was a poor choice, they argue who was the best Dredd, Which was the best "style" for JD etc.
I don't understand this need to make the JD universe "believable", as it was never about that. It is an over the top, right wing, police state dystopia where these juicy stories can take place. I don't think any JD fan believes JD to portray the future society, so why this need to change the visual style to represent a believable future? I think the director is missing the point with JD.
I think this approach would work really well in an animated feature in a similar style to the Batman one that came out before The Dark Knight (that I can't remember the name of).
Using different directors, art styles and animation teams to tell 5 or 6 short stories about life in MC1 and how Dredd goes about his duties.
For a mainstream film, I think it would confuse audiences who would probably already find Dredd and his world a bit baffling. I think the stripped down, action focused approach is definitely the way to go, then hopefully in sequels, we can see some more Mega City wackiness come into it.
The only way this film is being made is because the story is set in a City-Block, a contained/controllable/limited filming space that requires less fleshing out visually.
Expecting America, Judge Death, the Robot War or whatever at this point just wasn't going to happen. Even at an expectant franchise level it's risky. If it's a crowd pleaser all the better.
If they'd pitched any Big City ideas for this film it either would never have gotten to the shooting stage or if it did, it would look like the Sweeney.
And I personally didn't think SIN CITY worked at all. What was good for the comic came off as cheesy and contrived on screen.
I'll judge this when I see it (for see it, I shall).
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 25 January, 2011, 01:13:10 PM
Megaforce... damn this thread, I'd never heard of it before.
Heck, was it a spoof?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpH1yMGxh5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1NpZxn860M&feature=related
:D
I don't think so but I haven't seen it in years. I think it was just 80's.
Note the Asian cameraman from V. At least this wasn't the last thing on his IMDb listing. :cool:
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 January, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from somebody who was on set regarding dialog ....
''I was an extra on the set and the little dialog I heard was HAMMY, clique and very 80s. Maybe they were going for that.''
Can be found here half way down
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/getting-a-first-glimpse-at-judge-dredd-12322
Thinking about it, there's a reason these thespians are only extras.. It's a movie about a comic book character. What're they expecting? Shakespear?
Quote from: minus on 23 January, 2011, 10:17:12 PM
I'm waiting excitedly on more news on the lawgiver. Any news on this? Will it fire paper caps or those plastic ring caps? I'm hoping for the plastic ring caps but the budget wouldn't probably go that far. Rubber bullets and tear gas would be nice too but spuds and water are more likely.
Funny guy..
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 24 December, 2010, 11:30:29 PM
Do you know what I haven't eaten in ages?
Potato waffles.
Potato waffles are the business!!
Lets face it,it's just a motorcycle done up a bit,
Quote from: badstatic on 26 January, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
Lets face it,it's just a motorcycle done up a bit,
#
Absolutely, they probably should have taken a speedboat and tried to fashion a motorcycle out of that instead.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 26 January, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: badstatic on 26 January, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
Lets face it,it's just a motorcycle done up a bit,
#
Absolutely, they probably should have taken a speedboat and tried to fashion a motorcycle out of that instead.
Well maybe they did. Now you mention it, it does have a certain jet ski quality to it.
Quote from: minus on 26 January, 2011, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 26 January, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: badstatic on 26 January, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
Lets face it,it's just a motorcycle done up a bit,
#
Absolutely, they probably should have taken a speedboat and tried to fashion a motorcycle out of that instead.
Well maybe they did. Now you mention it, it does have a certain jet ski quality to it.
(http://cache.wists.com/thumbnails/f/28/f28746a65173b803cc3425af128d1ba7-orig)
Quote from: minus on 26 January, 2011, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 26 January, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: badstatic on 26 January, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
Lets face it,it's just a motorcycle done up a bit,
#
Absolutely, they probably should have taken a speedboat and tried to fashion a motorcycle out of that instead.
Well maybe they did. Now you mention it, it does have a certain jet ski quality to it.
Hey... that's what I said!!
Minus. We get it, you don't like the bike.
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Quote from: vzzbux on 26 January, 2011, 03:30:48 PMMinus. We get it, you don't like the bike.
Negativity is only to be expected from someone called minus. It's not a glass-half-full-guy kinda name.
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Not bad. Looks like a Lawmaster
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Ok, now build it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 January, 2011, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Ok, now build it.
Using nothing but paperclips, string, double-sided sticky tape, and spray paint.
I would but I´d need 45 million for those sort of materials :)
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
I would but I´d need 45 million for those sort of materials :)
You clearly have no idea how the movie industry works.. ;) :D
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
I would but I´d need 45 million for those sort of materials :)
I'll give you 45p to get you started.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 26 January, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
I would but I´d need 45 million for those sort of materials :)
I'll give you 45p to get you started.
..do you work in advertising?
45p? Thats a generous offer :) should buy some shiny new paperclip handlebars :)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 26 January, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 26 January, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
I would but I´d need 45 million for those sort of materials :)
I'll give you 45p to get you started.
..do you work in advertising?
I wish. Advertisers get paid more than me.
That's because they give fabricators 45p to build double sized replicas of the Taj Mahal out of guilded unicorn horns and keep the rest of the million buck budget to themselves..
..allegedly..
:lol:
sounds like all our elected are forging a new career in movies....allegedly ;)
expect to see the mega city duck house in the dredd film
Quote from: Michaelvk on 26 January, 2011, 10:49:09 PM
That's because they give fabricators 45p to build double sized replicas of the Taj Mahal out of guilded unicorn horns and keep the rest of the million buck budget to themselves..
..allegedly..
Stonehenge! :lol:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:u-1auBcy3-cogM::1133sc.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/&t=1&usg=AFrqEzdtdcVgD0AqM9BwlgQ6ryLYqeQccw)
Beautiful! :D
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
I would. :thumbsup:
Like it, I mean.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 26 January, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 January, 2011, 09:34:06 PM
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Ok, now build it.
Using nothing but paperclips, string, double-sided sticky tape, and spray paint.
You might need this also.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20310/The-Unofficial-MacGyver-HowTo-Handbook-Revised-2nd-Edition
QuoteYou might need this also.
SWEET! :D
just wondering. Wouldn't a cop bike and I mean any cop bike, at least have mirrors, indicators etc? Do these Judges have no respect for other road users?
Quote from: watto911 on 29 January, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
just wondering. Wouldn't a cop bike and I mean any cop bike, at least have mirrors, indicators etc? Do these Judges have no respect for other road users?
Unlikely..
Quote from: watto911 on 29 January, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
just wondering. Wouldn't a cop bike and I mean any cop bike, at least have mirrors, indicators etc? Do these Judges have no respect for other road users?
Lawmasters don't have them in the comic.
yeah but I thought they're going for the "real near future look"
It's probably just along the lines of 'nobody bothers with mirrors anyway, so why put 'em on?'
My mirror fell off my lawnmaster yesterday,shit myself with a 4x4 behind me...'They' should bother with them.
Quote from: watto911 on 29 January, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
just wondering. Wouldn't a cop bike and I mean any cop bike, at least have mirrors, indicators etc? Do these Judges have no respect for other road users?
HEALTH AND SAFETY!! SHUT THE MOVIE DOWN NOW!!!
Quote from: strangelysaucy on 30 January, 2011, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: watto911 on 29 January, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
just wondering. Wouldn't a cop bike and I mean any cop bike, at least have mirrors, indicators etc? Do these Judges have no respect for other road users?
HEALTH AND SAFETY!! SHUT THE MOVIE DOWN NOW!!!
Health and safety? In Africa?
Fear for the cannon fodder, I mean 'extras'
Naaahhhh :D
I reckon if you lose the LG Mk2 and make the headgear more like a simple biker's helmet you'd have a good approximation of a 2060s Judge.
Quote from: watto911 on 29 January, 2011, 07:34:21 PM
yeah but I thought they're going for the "real near future look"
Indeed -- the gritty low-tech movie they appear to be making isn't really "our" Dredd, but would make an awesome "Fargo" movie, if you see what I mean.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 30 January, 2011, 09:39:14 AM
My mirror fell off my lawnmaster yesterday...
Finally a front view of the Lawnmaster:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1266/792092224_fc61099e13.jpg)
No eagle though.
QuoteFinally a front view of the Lawnmaster:
No eagle though.
No, that's our first look at the movie's
Manta Prowl Tank! ;)
This thread has been largely brought to you by the words 'stupidity', 'annoyance' and 'twat'.
Thanks.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Matt Timson on 31 January, 2011, 11:55:02 AM
This thread has been largely brought to you by the words 'stupidity', 'annoyance' and 'twat'.
Thanks.
:thumbsup:
Don't beat about the bush, tell us what you really think.
:lol:
:-*
Quote from: Ratty on 31 January, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Timson on 31 January, 2011, 11:55:02 AM
This thread has been largely brought to you by the words 'stupidity', 'annoyance' and 'twat'.
Thanks.
:thumbsup:
Don't beat about the bush, tell us what you really think.
:lol:
I think it could look better and I think it could look a
lot worse- but that's based on one out of context snap. A bit of idle speculation never goes amiss- but, for the most part, I'm all about the wait-and-see...
Quote from: Ratty on 31 January, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Timson on 31 January, 2011, 11:55:02 AM
This thread has been largely brought to you by the words 'stupidity', 'annoyance' and 'twat'.
Thanks.
:thumbsup:
Don't beat about the bush, tell us what you really think.
:lol:
To be fair, he's not wrong, is he?
Hey, just in case anyone was thinking that I was taking the michael out of the actual lawmaster design, I wasn't – I made my thoughts clear earlier on. I was just joking about DanboJohnJ's 'Lawnmaster' typo.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 31 January, 2011, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Ratty on 31 January, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Timson on 31 January, 2011, 11:55:02 AM
This thread has been largely brought to you by the words 'stupidity', 'annoyance' and 'twat'.
Thanks.
:thumbsup:
Don't beat about the bush, tell us what you really think.
:lol:
To be fair, he's not wrong, is he?
Sadly, no.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 31 January, 2011, 01:14:47 PM
Hey, just in case anyone was thinking that I was taking the michael out of the actual lawmaster design, I wasn't – I made my thoughts clear earlier on. I was just joking about DanboJohnJ's 'Lawnmaster' typo.
Not a typo mate,thats what i call the 'Beast',that and Bessie.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_qehkMRZVY-g/Rmhdfawv7nI/AAAAAAAAAHI/kBVgOIre6rc/gz125+006.jpg
I miss my TL1000 :(
grud on a greenie! looks pretty good. bit front heavy, but thats probably just the pic. judges look good but whears the other shoulderpad? hope thay dont drokk that up. anyway 2012 cant get heer fast enuf.
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 08:09:03 PM
They should have hired this guy:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7gYNb3GSh4M/SekfY_4FSbI/AAAAAAAAMSo/G3flhreJS7Q/s400/judgedredddude07.jpg)
AMAZING!!!! sod urban this dude kicks all kings of ass! (i really hope he made that lawmaster from a pushbike)
We had that pic in our office..
Here it is in action.
(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/31081/19D_lawmaster4ci6-500x374.jpg)
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Quote from: vzzbux on 01 February, 2011, 08:03:13 PM
Here it is in action.
(http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/31081/19D_lawmaster4ci6-500x374.jpg)
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That picture took a minute to load for me, and the whole time I thought I was getting a shot or video of the new Lawmaster! You temptress!
Isn't that Alan Moore under the helmet ? ;)
If its not, we should say it is, so digitalspy etc pick up the story. "Alan Moore returns to 2000AD", etc. Personally, i think its highly unlikely that the man in the picture doesnt frquent this board, and is probably among us now, lurking.
Peterwolf, have you ever had a beard..?
SBT
I'd settle for a video of that one :)
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Tell you what......that doesn't look too bad. Looks better than that movie effort we've seen.
'nother positive comment I see.
i'll get me gun from t'barn
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 01 February, 2011, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Tell you what......that doesn't look too bad. Looks better than that movie effort we've seen.
You're a funny guy!
You're not Scojo's even eviler twin brother Bozo by any chance?
Quote from: dweezil2 on 01 February, 2011, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 01 February, 2011, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Tell you what......that doesn't look too bad. Looks better than that movie effort we've seen.
You're a funny guy!
You're not Scojo's even eviler twin brother Bozo by any chance?
Afraid not. Just someone who speaks their mind.
Like a stuck record.
I've pretty much avoided this thread- not all that keen on getting a preconceived idea of the film at all. I'd rather I went to the pictures and just saw it, but the recent furore in t'other thread ended up making me look at Sc*j*'s comparison with the Minty Lawmaster.
And, I have to say...
I agree with him- the Minty fan film Lawmaster is awesome, this one is terrible, and I do mean really bad. Don't care what the arguments or excuses are- that picture comparison says much more than I (or anyone else) could.
It's mildly disappointing- but hardly the end of the world and I'm still looking forward to going to see the film.
One is a real bike the other isn't.
From a fan point of view it would be nice to see a vintage Lawmaster but lets be practical here, it just wouldn't work and I for one don't want to see a film where most of the street action is CGI. The bike is here to stay and the film is going to be arsom.
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Where's that Anderson picture at?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 February, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
Like a stuck record.
Bit of an exaggeration don't you think?
Quote from: vzzbux on 01 February, 2011, 11:13:40 PM
From a fan point of view it would be nice to see a vintage Lawmaster but lets be practical here, it just wouldn't work and I for one don't want to see a film where most of the street action is CGI. The bike is here to stay and the film is going to be arsom.
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I really can't see why it wouldn't work. I'm not saying the bike should be
exactly down to the last detail like the comics, but there's no reason I can see that they couldn't have come up with something better, even on a limited budget. The lawmaster's a very important part of Dredd mythology.
I suggest emailing the producers/designers/fabricators for that answer. None of us can give it.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 01 February, 2011, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 01 February, 2011, 11:13:40 PM
From a fan point of view it would be nice to see a vintage Lawmaster but lets be practical here, it just wouldn't work and I for one don't want to see a film where most of the street action is CGI. The bike is here to stay and the film is going to be arsom.
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I really can't see why it wouldn't work. I'm not saying the bike should be exactly down to the last detail like the comics, but there's no reason I can see that they couldn't have come up with something better, even on a limited budget. The lawmaster's a very important part of Dredd mythology.
Judging by the leaked script, it's not in the movie much so it's not worth getting one's knickers in a bunch about really.
Spoilers Dweezil2. I've not read the script.
And I agree Where is that Anderson pic.
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It's in your future.
Quote from: vzzbux on 01 February, 2011, 11:24:33 PM
Spoilers Dweezil2. I've not read the script.
And I agree Where is that Anderson pic.
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Ooops, sorry! I thought that little nugget of info had already been leaked! I shall say no more :-X :D
To be honest, if the film is as shit hot arsom as most of us hope, I'm sure we can forgive the film makers a few liberties with the bike design.
Even though I'm reserving final judgement until I see a shot of it that isn't some blurry image from what appears to be a bystander's mobile phone.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 February, 2011, 11:25:40 PM
It's in your future.
Has any one got Mystic Meg's email address?
Just kidding Dweezil2, trying to lighten up the thread.
Far too much negativity around these parts, life's too short for snipes and bullshit.
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I have to admit that I don't really care what the bike looks like. The helmet is closer to the comic version than I ever expected it to be, Dredd will not show all his face, he won't be having a romance and at this moment in time that makes me pretty happy. Easily pleased? Perhaps I am, but that has something to do with the shocker of the 90s film that almost made me embarrassed at the time to say I read the comics. I have had friends for years take the piss out of Dredd because of that film. Big deal, but it pains me to think of the impression many have of the character despite all those years of classic tales and art in the comics.
I have not read the script, I don't want to as I would rather not spoil my enjoyment of watching the film in the cinema though I look forward to seeing more stills, more of the costume, etc.
All I would like, above all else, is a credible film that doesn't make Dredd a laughing stock as the last one did, that might actually increase sales of the comics (and computer games) rather than have the opposite effect. if the best way to achieve that is to stray from the designs in the comic, then so be it. That seems to be the call that has been made this time round and I am ok with that.
I can't see that it is that important to please us fanboys. If the film is credible then I am sure those responsible can take more risks with sequels and move towards designs more in line with the comic in the future.
"I can't see that it is that important to please us fanboys"
Very true.... It's not being made to please fans of Dredd/2000ad... it's being made to please the general movie going public.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 01 February, 2011, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 01 February, 2011, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 01 February, 2011, 09:46:26 PM
Quote from: danno on 26 January, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Here's my poor attempt at a Lawmaster based on the Valkyrie :-\
Tell you what......that doesn't look too bad. Looks better than that movie effort we've seen.
You're a funny guy!
You're not Scojo's even eviler twin brother Bozo by any chance?
Afraid not. Just someone who speaks their mind.
Such as it is.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 February, 2011, 11:09:09 PM
One is a real bike the other isn't.
Careful now- that's bordering on reasonable talk.
True in a purely financial sense, but if a movie production is going to base it on a comic strip character then there's not much point if it ignores what makes the strip distinctive ;)
If there is a worldwide ignorance/indifference to Judge Dredd (they say it's a small British 'cult' which does not travel well), why not make a movie called Justice Apocalypse instead and create brand new characters (world-wise hard-liner field tests plucky young rookie).
Trying to placate ourselves by claiming the movie's 'not for us' is a cloud hiding the notion (or truth) that the movie wanted to be one thing ('true' Dredd) and ended its days diluted into 'S.W.A.T. With A Judgebadge'. :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.W.A.T._(TV_series)
Quote from: John Caliber on 02 February, 2011, 11:53:35 AM
Trying to placate ourselves by claiming the movie's 'not for us' is a cloud hiding the notion (or truth) that the movie wanted to be one thing ('true' Dredd) and ended its days diluted into 'S.W.A.T. With A Judgebadge'. :
How do you know that though John without seeing the film?!
It might well be that...but it might well be a brilliant adaptation...fact is we just don't know...and a few crappy leaked shots is not enough for anyone to pass judgement to be fair
Quote from: John Caliber on 02 February, 2011, 11:53:35 AM
True in a purely financial sense, but if a movie production is going to base it on a comic strip character then there's not much point if it ignores what makes the strip distinctive ;)
While I feel this way about all adaptations from one medium to another, the key word is probably "compromise".
Quote from: Matt Timson on 02 February, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 February, 2011, 11:09:09 PM
One is a real bike the other isn't.
Careful now- that's bordering on reasonable talk.
He's been warned about this sort of thing before...
Jesus. Is anyone else bored of this shit yet?
Unbelievably so.
Well only a few weeks away now from seeing a glimpse of the movie so not all bad.
Just hang in there folks! :)
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 02 February, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
Well only a few weeks away now from seeing a glimpse of the movie so not all bad.
Just hang in there folks! :)
Where... when... how...
Is there a trailer getting released??
QuoteTell you what......that doesn't look too bad. Looks better than that movie effort we've seen
Thanks :) I didn't like the movie bike at first but it's growing on me. If the film is set in an alternative future-now third world post apocalyptic America. Then the bike would have a Calcutta customs look to it. Bits scraped together from what's left after the war. I'm just glad that someone is actually making a more adult Judge Dredd film.
Quote from: vzzbux on 01 February, 2011, 11:32:47 PM
Just kidding Dweezil2, trying to lighten up the thread.
Far too much negativity around these parts, life's too short for snipes and bullshit.
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That's the best quote of the entire thread
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 07:39:10 PM
QuoteI expected it to be more 'fat wheeled'. That is possibly the thing about it that dissapoints me the most
How can you tell how fat the wheels are from a profile shot?
QuoteIf it's a stuntman on the bike (which might be the case given the really bulky padding) then it's perfectly possible that the bikes for the stuntwork have the handlebars set-up differently, for safety/ease of riding rather than the aesthetic design of the 'hero' bike.
Yes, this is what I was getting at - the bloke is clearly just taxiing the bike between sets - for all we know the 'real' handlebars could be where I've marked on the photo:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/radiator_2006/228417308a.jpg)
going back to the actual picture of the bike itself...now i've got over the fanboy shock of i dont like change ....i do like it a lot,its the same with the uniform and i had it when the new daleks came out ...thinking on if mike did the guns did he not see the front? whats it like? any sneaky pics? its not like they can fire you again ;)
Quote from: mogzilla on 02 February, 2011, 10:54:58 PM
going back to the actual picture of the bike itself...now i've got over the fanboy shock of i dont like change ....i do like it a lot,
...and they say
familiarity breeds contempt?
contempt on this thread? where on earth did you get that idea?
The Trolls told me.
is it trolls that when you get them in sunlight they turn to stone if folklorey memory serves? lets face it, they probably never leave their bedrooms at their mums house.
Quote from: mogzilla on 02 February, 2011, 11:09:02 PM
is it trolls that when you get them in sunlight they turn to stone if folklorey memory serves?
They also eat men.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 February, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 02 February, 2011, 11:09:02 PM
is it trolls that when you get them in sunlight they turn to stone if folklorey memory serves?
They also eat men.
Perverts.
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The more I see it, the more it's growing on me. Having read the script, I can imagine JD on it doing what he has to (trying not to give anything away here). A possible CGI HUD would look extremely cool, if the film makers have that in mind.
Irrespective of the naysayers and doubters, I really think Dredd's gonna be a blast and my most anticipated movie in a long time.
Stay positive... ;)
As been said before this bike would look good on screen if driven as a fast persuit / interceptor style bike and who knows this may well be missing a lot of detail if indeed "Judge Porkins" here is a stunt rider
Didnt Wagner refer to seeing a partially completed Lawmaster - that might explain why it does look a bit unfinished to some eyes. That said, why stick a fully clothed Judge on a partially completed Lawmaster.
Quote from: mogzilla on 02 February, 2011, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: radiator on 21 January, 2011, 07:39:10 PM
QuoteI expected it to be more 'fat wheeled'. That is possibly the thing about it that dissapoints me the most
How can you tell how fat the wheels are from a profile shot?
QuoteIf it's a stuntman on the bike (which might be the case given the really bulky padding) then it's perfectly possible that the bikes for the stuntwork have the handlebars set-up differently, for safety/ease of riding rather than the aesthetic design of the 'hero' bike.
Yes, this is what I was getting at - the bloke is clearly just taxiing the bike between sets - for all we know the 'real' handlebars could be where I've marked on the photo:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/radiator_2006/228417308a.jpg)
going back to the actual picture of the bike itself...now i've got over the fanboy shock of i dont like change ....i do like it a lot,its the same with the uniform and i had it when the new daleks came out ...thinking on if mike did the guns did he not see the front? whats it like? any sneaky pics? its not like they can fire you again ;)
Prob better to leave it in terms of asking Michael about the movie, I think he's buttoned up till the movie comes out.
The more I look at it, the more I kind of like it but I hate the riding position of it.
It looks to be the correct position as the seat type indicates it and it looks like some display above the handlebars ruling out the red circled possible handlebars.
In my head I just find it hard to see Dredd doing 150mph on this bike without getting blown off.
Maybe suspension of pysics comes into this and let movie pysics take over,I know the comic version was a contradiction in that regard as well.
A bike with a ride position like for example Dark Knight/Tron would make more sense, more believable as a high pursuit bike. For some reason in my head these bikes look fast.
I think it's a given that in the movie, the bike will be used Tron style.
Keep in mind, this a spyshot, the driver is just taxing it from point A to B.
Nothing, not even how he is sitting, is indicative of how it will look on screen.
Quote from: norse_sage on 03 February, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
I think it's a given that in the movie, the bike will be used Tron style.
Really, how go you know?
Quote from: norse_sage on 03 February, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
I think it's a given that in the movie, the bike will be used Tron style.
Keep in mind, this a spyshot, the driver is just taxing it from point A to B.
Nothing, not even how he is sitting, is indicative of how it will look on screen.
I don't think so to be honest, it does not look like that at all.
Why?
1- To me there is some kind of diplay where the rider would supposed to be lying on, if there is some display ala Tron, it would in front of you rather than under your chest. A transparent wind breaker, visor on the bike.
The Seat type doesn't support this style of riding.
2- Judging by the size of the person, if he did lay forward, his vision is restricted by the high front of the bike.
3- The costume is not with the TRON position in mind, if he's lying forward, his padding and armour would push his helmet off if its not attached to his head. The Helmet would need to be alot smaller in length.
The more I look at it, I definately don't see a TRON style riding position.
The position of the rider is prob correct but he'd move his upper body slightly forward,shoulders up, head down slightly. A slightly hunched position from the picture of the rider. It would more imposing as a rider as well.
The person on the bike looks like he has a stick up his backside. ;)
Unless these extra handlebars appear in a special type of high speed puruit, I highly doubt it.
Surely a Judge lying face forwards in a high speed pursuit position is not going to be a very useful Judge when it comes to patrolling.
Quote from: norse_sage on 03 February, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
I think it's a given that in the movie, the bike will be used Tron style.
Unless you have some information that actually says this to be so I'd say it's unlikely to be the case.
I dont know if its me but looking at the signage on the wall looks like the guys going the wrong lol!
Maybe it is a jimp on the bike trying to figure out how to hotwire it and circumvent the voice recognition etc.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 03 February, 2011, 12:52:55 PM
Surely a Judge lying face forwards in a high speed pursuit position is not going to be a very useful Judge when it comes to patrolling.
That's the thing, isn't it? In the comic that's what the Lawmaster is - a street patrol bike. It allows the Judge to be
in the crowd, and eyeballing the potential perps, and then able to outpace them while narrow enough to weave through traffic, fit into elevators, and drive up escalators. Obviously it has all that high-speed chasm-jumping capability, but surely hover bikes and all that kind of rubbish would be better for that. The Lawmaster is a platform for observation and combat as much as a high-speed vehicle. Lying across the front end isn't going to cut it.
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 February, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 03 February, 2011, 12:52:55 PM
Surely a Judge lying face forwards in a high speed pursuit position is not going to be a very useful Judge when it comes to patrolling.
Lying across the front end isn't going to cut it.
Also bad for
erections.
TB speaketh the truth. A 'Tron' style bike would be useless to a Judge. It's not about speed, it's about visibility.
And big guns.
"Also bad for erections."
Or otherwise known as White Willy Syndrome for those with a concern for health and safety issues......
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 February, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Lying across the front end isn't going to cut it.
Wise words from TB, as ever. If anything, I'd like to see the design embrace the 'sit up and beg' style even more, but I'm not unhappy with what we've got...
Cheers
Jim
I think the bike itself - unflattering angle aside - looks fine, but it seems to me like a downright bizarre design choice to have the rider sitting up on that type of bike (which you're clearly supposed to sit on leaning forward as below) - it just doesn't make sense.
If they wanted to have Dredd sitting up they should have used a bike where that is the natural sitting position - a Harley style bike.
Hope we'll get some clarification soon.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2075/3869791348_f6b0546da2_o.jpg)
Good thinkin', Tordelback. ;)
Quote from: radiator on 03 February, 2011, 06:42:53 PM
If they wanted to have Dredd sitting up they should have used a bike where that is the natural sitting position - a Harley style bike.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2075/3869791348_f6b0546da2_o.jpg)
See, if I was making a Dredd movie, Harley Davidson would be the first people I would speak to about Lawmasters. Then again if I was making a Dredd movie, I'd spend the whole budget getting Harley to make me a
sweet Lawmaster, then I'd just piss off into the sunset with it, and everyone would be pissed off that the movie never got made.
Quote from: pops1983 on 04 February, 2011, 01:24:22 AM
See, if I was making a Dredd movie, Harley Davidson would be the first people I would speak to about Lawmasters. Then again if I was making a Dredd movie, I'd spend the whole budget getting Harley to make me a sweet Lawmaster, then I'd just piss off into the sunset with it, and everyone would be pissed off that the movie never got made.
I've always thought I'd like to ride off into the sunset on my Chopper bike. It would be a fitting end to my story.
Hey, I've been trying to find a blog someone linked to I think from this forum months ago and it had a few video clips of a bloody cool lowrider motorbike. At the time I thought it would make a good real world Lawmaster. Can't find it though.
This is a fully ridable,corners and everything concept that may go unto production.
http://www.ballerride.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/icare-enzyme-1.jpg
Now that looks pretty cool!!
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 February, 2011, 06:43:40 AM
This is a fully ridable,corners and everything concept that may go unto production.
http://www.ballerride.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/icare-enzyme-1.jpg
That is sick! :o
If there was a bike that would draw attention in the good way to a movie, that is it.
But in the context of the gritty look of this current movie would stick out like a sore thumb. You'd need a completely different look to the movie.
Maybe another Dredd reboot we may see this. ;)
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 04 February, 2011, 01:07:40 AM
Good thinkin', Tordelback. ;)
Yup, I was only agreeing with SuperSurfer.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 February, 2011, 06:43:40 AM
This is a fully ridable,corners and everything concept that may go unto production.
(http://www.ballerride.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/icare-enzyme-1.jpg)
This bike has been posted before.
(http://hypebeast.com/image/2008/07/icare-motorcycle-concept-3.jpg)
(http://hypebeast.com/image/2008/07/icare-motorcycle-concept-4.jpg)
(http://azramotorcycle.geowild.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tron-motorcycle.jpg)
Not sure what the large, plastic hubs are for, as wheel guards they'd scrape the ground turning corners and the wheels contained within are normal size.
As Tordelback has all ready pointed out, it still would not be considered a
patrol bike.
Never said it would,just posted a fat wheeled bike for those interested.
And it's a different bike than the others,looks same except for the badge and light.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 February, 2011, 04:44:20 PM
Never said it would,just posted a fat wheeled bike for those interested.
And it's a different bike than the others,looks same except for the badge and light.
but they aren't fat wheels, they're fat hubs, with normal wheels inside that protrude through an opening.
It's the same bike with different chassis from the same company, they are all designs from the same ICare portfolio.
(http://hypebeast.com/image/2008/07/icare-motorcycle-concept-6.jpg)
This whole thread has turned into the nightmare that was 1994 for me, where i found a lovely place to go on a friday night, with a lovely girl, and everyone just ended up talking about motorbikes! WHERES MY BEER AND SEX!?!?
SBT
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 04 February, 2011, 01:35:12 AM
Hey, I've been trying to find a blog someone linked to I think from this forum months ago and it had a few video clips of a bloody cool lowrider motorbike. At the time I thought it would make a good real world Lawmaster. Can't find it though.
I this this might be the one you're thinking of.
http://www.choppercityusa.com/PS-Pod.htm
Where's the Anderson pic when ya need it?
Quote from: CraveNoir on 04 February, 2011, 06:05:59 PM
I this this might be the one you're thinking of.
http://www.choppercityusa.com/PS-Pod.htm
Must admit I could almost imagine
Dredd on this. Add a bit of blue/black fibre glass over the top and your virtually there.
I bloody hate fibreglass on bikes.. Four times was more than enough..
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 February, 2011, 04:46:30 PMbut they aren't fat wheels, they're fat hubs, with normal wheels inside that protrude through an opening.
It's the same bike with different chassis from the same company, they are all designs from the same ICare portfolio.
(http://hypebeast.com/image/2008/07/icare-motorcycle-concept-6.jpg)
His pee pee charges the headlight.
Quote from: charleswalter1860 on 03 February, 2011, 06:14:32 PM
"Also bad for erections."
Or otherwise known as White Willy Syndrome for those with a concern for health and safety issues......
Very uncomfortable. A 750 Bonneville I once owned gave me a couple of doses.
Quote from: Brigantian on 05 February, 2011, 09:40:53 AM
Quote from: charleswalter1860 on 03 February, 2011, 06:14:32 PM
"Also bad for erections."
Or otherwise known as White Willy Syndrome for those with a concern for health and safety issues......
Very uncomfortable. A 750 Bonneville I once owned gave me a couple of doses.
Must be the same as convoy cock. All you ex squaddies will know what I am talking about.
V
Yes :D :D :D
8-?
I've been trying to work out what bike they've modified to build this. No reason other than it was bugging me. From the small bit of the original bike's frame that you can see...
(http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq47/spugnut/movie-lawmaster1copy.jpg)
...I'd say it was a recentish Japanese bike. Which one though I'm not sure, still bugging me.
Some bike dudes seem to think it's a Suzuki GSX-R1000
http://www.mcnews.com.au/testing/Suzuki/2005_gsx-r1000/page1.htm (http://www.mcnews.com.au/testing/Suzuki/2005_gsx-r1000/page1.htm)
AHAA! Yeah, the engine mount and swing arm pivot certainly look to be in the right place. Cheers Steve!
I really hope it was an insurance write off that they butchered.
Quote from: jack3d1 on 23 January, 2011, 07:43:55 PM
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/movie-lawmaster.jpg)
Don't know whether it looks like a Lawmaster, but it definitely looks like this-
(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx286/Jack3d1/Vision_800_concept.jpg)
the 2006 Victory Motorcycles Vision-800 Concept.
I guess the Art Department guys turned this up on Google Imagesearch last June and thought "That'll do nicely!"
Cheers-
This one was found earlier on in the thread.
V
I want to see some new pictures. I want to see a trailer. I want it to be out this week. I want i want i want...
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 04 February, 2011, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 04 February, 2011, 06:05:59 PM
I this this might be the one you're thinking of.
http://www.choppercityusa.com/PS-Pod.htm
Must admit I could almost imagine Dredd on this. Add a bit of blue/black fibre glass over the top and your virtually there.
No wasn't that one I'm afraid. Bugging me that I can't find it. I don't know the first thing about motorbikes so can't really give a description other than say it was a cool black lowrider(?) type bike. Not sure if there is a name for such bikes. There were a few quite well filmed clips that might have been part of a documentary.
Hopefully there is a bit of cgi to stick on or something must say im pretty gutted by this not least by the fat guy on top hows he supposed to fight anything like that. Can someone please tell me why batman has a better lawmaster than dredd.
Because they had more money? ;)
...well why does Minty have a better Lawmaster than Dredd then?
Quote from: minus on 06 February, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
...well why does Minty have a better Lawmaster than Dredd then?
because it's not real, it's CGI, please stop making comparisons and using one to beat the other
Quote from: minus on 06 February, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
...well why does Minty have a better Lawmaster than Dredd then?
A small CGI shot and a live action fully functional bike are two different avenues and shouldn't be compared. As the Minty directorate had constantly said to you and others please stop comparing the two.
V
i would not care if it was a cardboard cutout if it looked good on screen but this thing is just not doing it for me. All said though cant wait even the first one had good elements. the first bike bigger with bigger wheels now that would have rocked the boat
.
Quote from: phonemateire on 06 February, 2011, 07:55:27 PM
Hopefully there is a bit of cgi to stick on or something must say im pretty gutted by this not least by the fat guy on top hows he supposed to fight anything like that. Can someone please tell me why batman has a better lawmaster than dredd.
Am I the only one who didn't rate the Bat-bike in Dark Knight? It looked way too impractical to steer.
Am I the only one who thinks the only resemblance between the comic Lawmaster and the bat bike is the fat wheels?
V
I think the reason for the comparison is more that it's brought up that a comic-ish lawmaster would never be practical because of the size of the wheels.
And then the Dark Knight came out, and it showed that something that large could be done.
That said, they had a $185 million dollar budget for that film.
Quote from: vzzbux on 06 February, 2011, 10:27:52 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the only resemblance between the comic Lawmaster and the bat bike is the fat wheels?
V
I've never considered there any similarity between the Dark Knight Bat-Bike and Dredd's Lawmaster.
The Dark Knight bike doesn't really scream bike to me at any level and to these untrained eyes looks like some designer knocked up in a couple of minutes-$185,000,000 budget or not.
Sorry Dweezil2 it was just a generalisation. Like the Minty bike some of the nay sayers keep referring to it.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 06 February, 2011, 10:47:17 PM
Sorry Dweezil2 it was just a generalisation. Like the Minty bike some of the nay sayers keep referring to it.
V
It's cool man! :thumbsup:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 February, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
Quote from: minus on 06 February, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
...well why does Minty have a better Lawmaster than Dredd then?
because it's not real, it's CGI, please stop making comparisons and using one to beat the other
Oh.... It's NOT real? I had no idea. Looks pretty real to me.
Please. Not the "it looks like the designer knocked it up in 2 minutes" comment.
Just had to get that off my chest.
While I had very little to do with the design of the bike, I challenge any one to design a bike/prop/costume that:
A: fits the budget
B: fits the brief
C: is practical AND reliable (do you want a million dollar a day if not more shooting crew waiting for you? I don't..)
D: is actually buildable.
It's all good and well wondering why can't they just cgi something, but for a 2k print, 3d or not, it's hellishly expensive. Like it's looks or not, the guys that built the Batpod as well as the Lawmaster and made them both practical working vehicles are deserving a lot of credit.
I get what you're saying and can appreciate budget and time constraints. I'm not concerned that it doesn't 'look like in the comics'. I'm sure whoever built it can weld and use an angle grinder. The problem I have with it is is looks bad. Credit to the builders (perhaps), but the design is amateur. If the CGI was out of the budget, the hiring of an existing bike would have seemed a logical conclusion. Anyway, Dredd's bike and helmet etc aren't really THAT important to me. It is getting a tad boring now.
QuoteCredit to the builders (perhaps),
Charming.
Quotebut the design is amateur.
Now that is just a fucking stupid thing to say, isn't it?
Quote from: minus on 07 February, 2011, 08:35:11 AM
Anyway, Dredd's bike and helmet etc aren't really THAT important to me.
Do you like Judge Dredd?
Quote from: minus on 07 February, 2011, 08:35:11 AM
It is getting a tad boring now.
Don't make make ridiculous comparisons then that are too late to change, move on, find something else to post about.
HELP, I'm trapped in a nightmare where very stupid people mistakenly believe they have a right to an opinion!!!
HELP! I CAN'T WAKE UP!!!
Quote from: minus
PROUDLY CELEBRATING 21 YEARS OF UNEMPLOYMENT AND TAXPAYER HANDOUTS
I hope that's not true...?!?
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 07 February, 2011, 09:38:07 AM
QuoteCredit to the builders (perhaps),
Charming.
Quotebut the design is amateur.
Now that is just a fucking stupid thing to say, isn't it?
You seem strangely surprised...
I have a misplaced faith in human nature.
http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard (http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard)
A 3D artist on this ratecard would be hired out at £2000 a day at this production house.
Yes it could be done cheaper, but even so CGI is an expensive option.
I have the utmost respect for people who make practical stuff.
CGI is easy in comparison since it only has to work on screen, and no-one's going to get injured if your 3D model falls apart.
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 February, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard (http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard)
A 3D artist on this ratecard would be hired out at £2000 a day at this production house.
Yes it could be done cheaper, but even so CGI is an expensive option.
I have the utmost respect for people who make practical stuff.
CGI is easy in comparison since it only has to work on screen, and no-one's going to get injured if your 3D model falls apart.
True, Plus 1
I'm not a huge fan of the bike but at least it's real, I've seen too many movies take the CGI route and I feel disconnected from the film. I don't want a Mummy type movie with terrible CGI that is very obvious. Avatar, as good as the CGI was, it'll never convince me it's real,although it did ok in some scenes.
Better to use as little CGI as possible and rely on set based SFX to give the real kick. CGI in my opinion should be there to touch up scenes in a very subtle way, not take away from the action.
I hope we'll only see it in backdrops and not too much in your face. Robocop, for it's age is old skool but in my opinion holds up, even the stop motion stuff,I'd rate that over any current CGI efforts.
To be honest, as spot on as the Minty bike is, it'll only work on a computer and not reality.
You'll never touch an exact "working" comic bike, it'll only work in our minds and CGI.
At least the DREDD bike is real.
Quote from: Banners on 07 February, 2011, 10:41:40 AM
Quote from: minus
PROUDLY CELEBRATING 21 YEARS OF UNEMPLOYMENT AND TAXPAYER HANDOUTS
I hope that's not true...?!?
I saw that too but felt it too easy.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 07 February, 2011, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 February, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard (http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard)
A 3D artist on this ratecard would be hired out at £2000 a day at this production house.
Yes it could be done cheaper, but even so CGI is an expensive option.
I have the utmost respect for people who make practical stuff.
CGI is easy in comparison since it only has to work on screen, and no-one's going to get injured if your 3D model falls apart.
True, Plus 1
I'm not a huge fan of the bike but at least it's real, I've seen too many movies take the CGI route and I feel disconnected from the film. I don't want a Mummy type movie with terrible CGI that is very obvious. Avatar, as good as the CGI was, it'll never convince me it's real,although it did ok in some scenes.
Better to use as little CGI as possible and rely on set based SFX to give the real kick. CGI in my opinion should be there to touch up scenes in a very subtle way, not take away from the action.
I hope we'll only see it in backdrops and not too much in your face. Robocop, for it's age is old skool but in my opinion holds up, even the stop motion stuff,I'd rate that over any current CGI efforts.
To be honest, as spot on as the Minty bike is, it'll only work on a computer and not reality.
You'll never touch an exact "working" comic bike, it'll only work in our minds and CGI.
At least the DREDD bike is real.
Agree wholeheartedly-I much prefer real practical stuff! Imagine if the Mad Max films were done today.
I doubt the temptation to overload the screen with CGI would be avoided-though I'd like to think otherwise.
The fact that with Dredd the film's makers appear to be going for the realistic look negates the use of too much CGI as I assume it would be jarring. The fact they're not should be applauded.
AFAIK there's still going to be a fair bit of CGI work in Dredd, but it will probably be mostly backgrounds and stuff like that.
Imo CG works best when it is used to supplement traditional effects and stunt work and directors use it as only one tool in their arsenal - it's only when they use it to do everything that it grates with me.
Quote from: radiator on 07 February, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
AFAIK there's still going to be a fair bit of CGI work in Dredd, but it will probably be mostly backgrounds and stuff like that.
Imo CG works best when it is used to supplement traditional effects and stunt work and directors use it as only one tool in their arsenal - it's only when they use it to do everything that it grates with me.
I agree. I appreciate there's no other way to depict Mega-City One other than in CGI, but when the CGI is over used it tends to make the whole thing look like a cartoon-Star Wars prequels, I'm looking at you!
I agree used sparingly and only when necessary is the desired option.
I wonder what judge deaths body armor would look like with respect to this dredd design
other threads are also available ::)
sorry old and confused
Quote from: phonemateire on 07 February, 2011, 05:31:50 PM
sorry old and confused
...step right this way to
the Euthanasium.
:-[anyway about the bike
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 February, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard (http://www.moving-picture.com/rateCard)
A 3D artist on this ratecard would be hired out at £2000 a day at this production house.
Yes it could be done cheaper, but even so CGI is an expensive option.
I have the utmost respect for people who make practical stuff.
CGI is easy in comparison since it only has to work on screen, and no-one's going to get injured if your 3D model falls apart.
Was watching a Tarantino interview just yesterday(in relation to Death Proof) where he bemoaned CG, saying that it's more expensive to do a car crash in CG and that he reckons it's come down to laziness that it's used to much these days.
I did wonder if what he was saying is true, because physical effects (especially for chases/crashes) are way more effective, so if the CG route genuinely is the costlier way to do it then it seems mental to me.
I think it depends on what is being done. In the earlier days of CGI it was more expensive than physical effects, but for a lot of things now, it's actually the cheaper way!
I don't meant that to suggest they should have gone the CGI lawmaster route mind. A physical vehicle is always preferable. Mind you I don't mind the new design. The box bit at the front does look a bit tacked on but as other have said again, and again*, in the right light, I think it may look okay.
*and again**
** and again ;)
Fuck it.. The tyres are bloody wide..
while you're fucking it whats the front end look like?
Quote from: mogzilla on 07 February, 2011, 10:39:45 PM
while you're fucking it whats the front end look like?
only whilst perusing amazon did i realise that last question was wrong on sooooo many levels! :-[ :-[ :lol:
Admins. If you think Michaelvk's last comment will get him into trouble please delete it.
You have given us far too much and I don't want you to get into any more shit than you already have, even though I am grinning from ear to ear.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 07 February, 2011, 11:15:28 PM
Admins. If you think Michaelvk's last comment will get him into trouble please delete it.
You have given us far too much and I don't want you to get into any more shit than you already have, even though I am grinning from ear to ear.
He told us the wheels are fat on his facebook page nearly 2 months ago and it's nothing you can't see from the picture anyway- they're wide tyres. Nothing to fret about. I believe he was just implying "stop moaning about the bike design, the wheels are fat, it's enough, it'll impress".
No probs.
Just thought that the leaked pic wasn't the actual finished model.
V
I remember him saying from the start of the shoot that everything had been finished and there'd be no alterations physically. So I'd say that's a finished Lawmaster.
[/quote]
Agree wholeheartedly-I much prefer real practical stuff! Imagine if the Mad Max films were done today.
I doubt the temptation to overload the screen with CGI would be avoided-though I'd like to think otherwise.
The fact that with Dredd the film's makers appear to be going for the realistic look negates the use of too much CGI as I assume it would be jarring. The fact they're not should be applauded.
[/quote]
You have seen Doomsday haven't you?
As far as I know the car stuff in that was done mostly practically, and it gave me even more respect for what was done in the Mad Max trilogy.
Quote from: vzzbux on 07 February, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
No probs.
Just thought that the leaked pic wasn't the actual finished model.
V
This late in the production?
Basically yes, I was getting bit fidgety over the arguing over the fat or not fat tyres. Can't comment on anything else, but if you look long enough at the pic, you'll be able to more or less guesstimate the width of the tyres from the size of their shadows..
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 February, 2011, 11:33:21 PM
and it gave me even more respect for what was done in the Mad Max trilogy.
Well they threw the rulebook -along with the insurance book- out the window for that one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGUy4HZss7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EUQegif2Y&feature=related
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 February, 2011, 11:33:21 PM
Agree wholeheartedly-I much prefer real practical stuff! Imagine if the Mad Max films were done today.
I doubt the temptation to overload the screen with CGI would be avoided-though I'd like to think otherwise.
The fact that with Dredd the film's makers appear to be going for the realistic look negates the use of too much CGI as I assume it would be jarring. The fact they're not should be applauded.
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You have seen Doomsday haven't you?
As far as I know the car stuff in that was done mostly practically, and it gave me even more respect for what was done in the Mad Max trilogy.
[/quote] Hope you liked those APC's and auto gun turrets :)
A Haiku:
Bike Photo causes chaos.
The internet,
is unreasonable.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 February, 2011, 11:37:00 PM
Hope you liked those APC's and auto gun turrets :)
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Yup.
Not sure what CGI jiggery-pokery or otherwise is still to happen, but all quacking about "realism" aside, that leaked Lawmaster pic looks fucking cheap and slightly rubbish.
QuoteNot sure what CGI jiggery-pokery or otherwise is still to happen, but all quacking about "realism" aside, that leaked Lawmaster pic looks fucking cheap and slightly rubbish.
Yes, the
pic is cheap and rubbish, and as such it's impossible to make an informed judgement on the actual
bike. ::)
Yes, I'm sure once the picture quality improves, it won't look like a normal motorbike with some MDF glued to the front and sides.
This one looks better.
(http://gruffguano.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/lawmaster32.jpg)
Quote from: brendan1 on 08 February, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
This one looks better.
(http://gruffguano.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/lawmaster32.jpg)
Taking bets, how many more times is the
Alan Moore with Lawmaster photo going to be posted on this thread for "humorous" comparison? It was old when first posted and I believe the bloke is retired now.
Quote from: brendan1 on 08 February, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
Yes, I'm sure once the picture quality improves, it won't look like a normal motorbike with some MDF glued to the front and sides.
This one looks better.
(http://gruffguano.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/lawmaster32.jpg)
It doesn't though, does it?
::)
Quote from: Matt Timson on 08 February, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: brendan1 on 08 February, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
This one looks better.
It doesn't though, does it?
::)
No, it doesn't. I do wish somebody would come out with a decent picture of the new version and end all this unpleasantness one way or another. At the same time, I
would love to have a go on the bicycle version, despite all the abuse it gets. My own bike served as Dredd's lawmaster for years, this looks like an upgrade. Cutting me off at a junction? Bike Cannon! Randomly opening your door without looking? Buddabduddabuddabudda. And so forth.
if that was done as a bit o fun for the local fancy dress great, but what is he's serious?? :o
Quote from: Proudhuff on 08 February, 2011, 11:51:39 AM
if that was done as a bit o fun for the local fancy dress great, but what is he's serious?? :o
You mean it's not you?
(http://gruffguano.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/lawmaster32.jpg)
He's fuckin' lovin' it isn't he, good on 'im...
Quote from: LARF on 08 February, 2011, 12:08:44 PM
(http://gruffguano.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/lawmaster32.jpg)
He's fuckin' lovin' it isn't he, good on 'im...
That's why I love the internet. :lol:
It's quite a good effort in fairness to replicate the bike and costume.
I suppose he'll encounter the original problem with the movie bike in not being able to steer around corners as the handlebars were practically just for show and had little function.
Shame there's no video of this bike in action down a street. :'(
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 February, 2011, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 February, 2011, 11:33:21 PM
Agree wholeheartedly-I much prefer real practical stuff! Imagine if the Mad Max films were done today.
I doubt the temptation to overload the screen with CGI would be avoided-though I'd like to think otherwise.
The fact that with Dredd the film's makers appear to be going for the realistic look negates the use of too much CGI as I assume it would be jarring. The fact they're not should be applauded.
You have seen Doomsday haven't you?
As far as I know the car stuff in that was done mostly practically, and it gave me even more respect for what was done in the Mad Max trilogy.
[/quote] Hope you liked those APC's and auto gun turrets :)
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I see you were a draftsman in SST3: Marauder?
Had you any input in the design of the Marauder units? They were pretty damn sweet.
http://www.figures.com/forums/news/10005-yamato-usa-starship-troopers-3-marauder-power-armor.html (http://www.figures.com/forums/news/10005-yamato-usa-starship-troopers-3-marauder-power-armor.html)
Shame the units were let down by some cheap CGI in the ending, I thought the movie wasn't bad considering up to that point condsidering that it was a Straight to Video and was easily number 2 in the Trilogy.
It was good bounce back from a poor number 2,Hero of the Federation. Prob one of the best STV's I've seen.
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 February, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
I do wish somebody would come out with a decent picture of the new version and end all this unpleasantness one way or another.
I believe they're holding off until the
SFX Weekender to release anything, I think the days of anything been released
first to this forum are over.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 February, 2011, 02:17:35 PM
I believe they're holding off until the SFX Weekender to release anything, I think the days of anything been released first to this forum are over.
Yeah, I wonder why
that could be? ::)
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 08 February, 2011, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 February, 2011, 02:17:35 PM
I believe they're holding off until the SFX Weekender to release anything, I think the days of anything been released first to this forum are over.
Yeah, I wonder why that could be? ::)
Because there are too many moaning bastards who would say it was shit and the tyre's are too thin and the helmet is too big and the photo is blurred and I cant make out the details but it is still shit and even though the film is in its infancy it is still shit.....
And relax.
V
When is the SFX weekender?
EDIT: quick interweb look says it was last weekend.... Did any info about the Dredd flick emerge there??
I think we would have heard.
My guess is, stills and info at Kapow, then footage at San Diego.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 08 February, 2011, 08:38:46 PM
When is the SFX weekender?
EDIT: quick interweb look says it was last weekend.... Did any info about the Dredd flick emerge there??
I was at the SFX Weekender and the guys from 2000ad were keeping schtum, aside from saying that the Dredd and Anderson costumes were looking the business.
As far as I know Kapow is when we'll first see some proper stills from the movie.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 February, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
As far as I know Kapow is when we'll first see some proper stills from the movie.
So it's classy spy pics till then :thumbsup:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 February, 2011, 11:40:19 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 February, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
As far as I know Kapow is when we'll first see some proper stills from the movie.
So it's classy spy pics till then :thumbsup:
Looks like it :'( Unless someone leaks the official ones. :o
I've got a bit fed up with reading always the same comments on the bike, so thought Id try and change the conversations direction a little. ::)
Ok, firstly- The Doomsday stuff was all practical, although models were used for the bus jump/smash as, if I remember, weather was against them for using explosions on site, the day of the shoot(?). The smash was done with models and comp'd over the live action plate.
Anyway- the best example of the look we will be getting with DREDD, I recon, is seen in:
'The Island' 2005.
Its got a very cool semi-futurism look to it. They have used existing motors and sets and combined them with funky graphics etc, much like the leaked set shots last year. It works a treat. Take a look:
(http://www.imcdb.org/i010552.jpg)
In the same way you can 'spot the VW' from the famous Bullit chase, look out for the Lexus car from Minority Report, which makes numerous guest appearances ;-)
I'd recommend checking out The Island- I recon its the direction DREDD has taken. The Island is set after 2050, but here is a link to the cars used in it- they look awesome, esp the Police Cars- all of which are pretty much commercially available
http://www.imcdb.org/movie_399201-The-Island.html
Also, they use a -wait for it- flying bike, which from what I could tell and saw a bit of in the Making Of,, was all done on rigs mounted to cars. Looked the biz.
Heres a link to the chase-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AAhZZpT6PE&feature=related
Hopefully, it'll be enough to convince people that although the DREDD movie's direction isn't straight from the comic page, its got a good chance of looking pretty amazing.
Nice post Teivion
I thinking it will look something along those lines, but a lot more of a run-down shithole.
Exciting chase.I've never seen this - is it worth watching?
Well its a Michael Bay film so that will probably get peoples backs up from the go- but its got a great cast, and is nicely done. The first time I watched it I was a bit so-so about it, the next time was recently and I was really impressed, hence the post.
Also- watch the clip with Ewan as Dredd and Scarlett as Anderson ;-)
I think the important thing with both the uniforms and the bike is that the designs contain the 'defining features' of the comic versions. Lets face it, an exact reproduction of the original versions will look naff on screen. And while i can only heap praise on the Judge Minty project, it is obviously a lot easier for their target audience to accept the comic look. I just dont think movie goers would buy it. Apart from being conceived way back in the mists of time, they exist in only two dimensions. They have to look believable, and they have to work, while keeping in touch with the ethos of Carlos' original designs- they have to look 'Dredd-like'. But not 'exactly like'.
Mega City one however, i think is open to a lot more interpretation.
Im VERY happy with the uniform...in that lawmaster pic although worn by a fat bloke it looks great IMO
Yet to be convinced about the bike but i'm sure in the right lighting/CGI etc etc it will be fine
All in all i'm still very excited :D
Me too! Eeeeeee! :D
If there's CGI added to the bike, I'll eat my hat.
Quote from: Steve Green on 09 February, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
If there's CGI added to the bike, I'll eat my hat.
Not sure if you've seen the script...but if you have you know when the lawmaster is used...and with the use of the certain narcotic it must be a given that CGI will play a part?
Quote from: Steve Green on 09 February, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
If there's CGI added to the bike, I'll eat my hat.
No parley if the hat is Licorice.
Quote from: Beeks on 09 February, 2011, 12:51:58 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 09 February, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
If there's CGI added to the bike, I'll eat my hat.
Not sure if you've seen the script...but if you have you know when the lawmaster is used...and with the use of the certain narcotic it must be a given that CGI will play a part?
The bike may well be used in a CGI enhanced shot but I doubt the bike
itself will be in any way enhanced. That's the bike we're getting, warts and all.
Well, one blurred, unflattering, poorly lit angle of the bike we're getting. I'm sure it'll look great in the finished film.
I'm talking about people thinking that cgi will be added to the bike in regular shots.
I'm not counting slomo pixie dust and lens flares - although even that I'm expecting them to use phantoms rather than cgi.
Last time I saw you, Mr Green, you were dressed in a hat and suit made entirely of sweeties- like some kind of slightly-upsetting Pearly King crossed with the ChildCatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, so your offer to eat your headgear holds no truck with me.
SBT
Had to sell it. Too expensive.
Making do with a Haribo jacket these days...
I'm wondering if that tubby Judge on the Lawmaster is the 'heavy guard' from (IIRC)that episode with Monty the one-eyed rat.
hello dredd`s,, an answer to a few Q`s for you.
suzuki 750gsxr. 2006/7 models.not crashed!
also mite b a few new legal pics in a week or 2.
wait for the finished product,the vehicle scenes should be good,,,certainly not what u have seen in a stolen phone pic.
all footage is `done for real`,no tricks, only good old fashioned driving,etc
i also hate corny cg interferance!
do not ask for more details,,,sorry.
Cheers Builder. A 750 K6? Well, it'll definitely shift then. :D
Cheers for the heads up Builder.
Now where's that Anderson pic ;)
V
Thanks Builder,
I'm sure no-one will press you on details after what happened before.
Cheers
Steve
Any info gratefully hoovered up. Some pair you got there Builder. ;)
Basic frame.
(http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/8845962/xl+2004_suzuki_gsx_r750+front_side_stripped_view.jpg)
(http://motoaus.com/images/stories/suzuki2011/gsxr/suzuki-gsxr-600-2011-frame-engine.jpg)
That's some exhaust!
Or jet system. ;)
Thanks for taking the time to give us some info, Builder, it's greatly appreciated.
Nice one Builder, be great to see some "authorized" pictures at long last all be it a bit late for damage control after the last spy shot.
::)
Wow, haha, that was sooo cloak n dagger :), it even had cerebral interference in the mix. SSSSSSSSSSSSShhhhh. :-X
Thanks for the heads-up builder!
Builder.. Be very, very careful..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 10 February, 2011, 08:22:54 PM
Builder.. Be very, very careful..
what he said, as much as we love
any new snippets we wouldnt want you to suffer the same fate as mike
I hate to say this, but... I think its time these threads were either locked or removed altogether.
If not for sanity's sake, then to make sure no one else is sacked from production!
Just for the record, i'm behind this production 100% - this is by no means intended as a negative comment!
Quote from: Woolly on 10 February, 2011, 09:05:35 PMI hate to say this, but... I think its time these threads were either locked or removed altogether. If not for sanity's sake, then to make sure no one else is sacked from production!
Pointless, we'd only start up another. It's a new therapy, just like
Killer Kane, by indulging our madness we get saner.
(http://www.girlsgunsandghouls.com/ninthconfiguration.gif)
Where did this Builder guy pop out from?
Don't even know where or who put the questions to him?
Quote from: builder on 09 February, 2011, 07:13:58 PM
hello dredd`s,, an answer to a few Q`s for you.
suzuki 750gsxr. 2006/7 models.not crashed!
also mite b a few new legal pics in a week or 2.
wait for the finished product,the vehicle scenes should be good,,,certainly not what u have seen in a stolen phone pic.
all footage is `done for real`,no tricks, only good old fashioned driving,etc
i also hate corny cg interferance!
do not ask for more details,,,sorry.
Repeating what everyone else said, don't put your career in jeopardy over this and don't be obvious as to who you are as well in case anyone from DNA or IMG are reading these threads.
We do appreciate the heads up and the bike information seeing as news is scare at the moment other than Lena finishing her scenes on DREDD.
But locking threads is silly, everyone is now aware how bad the situation can get.
It does go to show that there is love for the material and the movie which I'm liking from the film crew involved.
This "Builder" person knows the score as well if too much is revealed.
From what I've seen, anyone who has leaked information was in an attempt to reassure the fans after some of the spyshots.
And they can't afford another subscription freebie. So. plplplpll, :thumbsup: jog on.
Ive got a little bottle of threadlock in the garage, you could borrow that. ;)
Call that a catch?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 February, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 10 February, 2011, 09:05:35 PMI hate to say this, but... I think its time these threads were either locked or removed altogether. If not for sanity's sake, then to make sure no one else is sacked from production!
Pointless, we'd only start up another. It's a new therapy, just like Killer Kane, by indulging our madness we get saner.
(http://www.girlsgunsandghouls.com/ninthconfiguration.gif)
I love The Ninth Configuration! What a unique movie!
Quote from: Krombasher on 11 February, 2011, 10:12:26 AM
And they can't afford another subscription freebie. So. plplplpll, :thumbsup: jog on.
:lol:
Quote from: Grimmyx22 on 11 February, 2011, 10:40:36 AM
Ive got a little bottle of threadlock in the garage, you could borrow that. ;)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I've often thought if you wanted the really, really fat/wide wheel look on a real bike for action scenes you could mod/rebuild something like a Fouco (into a four wheeler or wider back wheel) and complete the illusion of a full width tyre with CGI. It'd be a great functional bike and the front shape is all ready Lawmasterish.
(http://pitjengkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/gilera-fuoco-500ie-Review-and-Design-2.jpg)
(http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2011-gilera-fuoco-500ie%204.jpg)
(http://files.myopera.com/attackblogs/albums/188526/gilerafuoco500ie.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMT_Yd7gJPM
justice dept pizza division ;)
Slice of the Law.
with extra synthi-cheez
Are we just posting pictures of bikes now? If so...
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/giles/weird_06308/RoundBike.jpg)
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 13 February, 2011, 06:41:41 PM
Are we just posting pictures of bikes now? If so...
I think I saw that one on South-Park. Had some very interesting... innovative.... controls.
More of a uni than a bike but it is different.
V
Didn't Darth Grievous ride one of these?
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/vehicle/wheelbike/img/movie_bg.jpg)
Darth Greivous?
Wash your mouth out with soap.
V
I'm not ashamed to say SW ain't exactly my bag of childhood-rape.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:34:14 PM
Didn't Darth Grievous ride one of these?
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/vehicle/wheelbike/img/movie_bg.jpg)
That's ''General'' Grievous. :D
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 14 February, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:34:14 PM
Didn't Darth Grievous ride one of these?
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/vehicle/wheelbike/img/movie_bg.jpg)
That's ''General'' Grievous. :D
I thought his name was "Generic, pointless, character-free CGI baddie no. 743".
Quote from: Lee Bates on 14 February, 2011, 09:40:29 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 14 February, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:34:14 PM
Didn't Darth Grievous ride one of these?
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/vehicle/wheelbike/img/movie_bg.jpg)
That's ''General'' Grievous. :D
I thought his name was "Generic, pointless, character-free CGI baddie no. 743".
Please! Get your facts straight.. That's Anakin.. General Grievious was no. 741..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 14 February, 2011, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 14 February, 2011, 09:40:29 AM
I thought his name was "Generic, pointless, character-free CGI baddie no. 743".
Please! Get your facts straight.. That's Anakin.. General Grievious was no. 741..
Oh yeah, my bad. Although Anakin wasn't a CGI creation. Actually, he might have been. That would explain the wooden performance and lack of realistic facial expressions.
I am bored. Here is some nostalgia for you.
The Turbo Bike
(http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/e/e6/Turbocycles.jpg)
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 15 February, 2011, 09:17:32 PM
I am bored. Here is some nostalgia for you.
The Turbo Bike
(http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/e/e6/Turbocycles.jpg)
V
Ha !
And they can fly as well !
- C
Those look like a Honda CX and Y-wing love child.. Isn't that original series BSG?
Galactica 1980.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 16 February, 2011, 02:05:17 AM
Those look like a Honda CX and Y-wing love child.. Isn't that original series BSG?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 February, 2011, 02:17:12 AM
Galactica 1980.
And to add the the level of geekdom, that stretch of freeway they're riding those bikes on is about five minutes in the car from my gaff.
I'll get my coat...
Is this better?
(http://www.badmovies.org/movies/megaforce/megaforce4.jpg)
Megaforce! I just watched that the other day. Jebus it's terrible. I loved it :D
The Good Guys Always Win...
Even in the 80s
(http://www.dvddrive-in.com/features/adamalamo18.jpg)
One man's good guy is another's bad guy.
V
Ugh.. Just as I was eating..
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 16 February, 2011, 05:45:49 PM
Is this better?
(http://www.badmovies.org/movies/megaforce/megaforce4.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Megaforce, assemble! Or something...
- C
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 14 February, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:34:14 PM
Didn't Darth Grievous ride one of these?
(http://www.starwars.com/databank/vehicle/wheelbike/img/movie_bg.jpg)
That's ''General'' Grievous. :D
Wasn't that bit of the film from the Mattel
TM Chocco Robot Fun Hour
Quote from: clavell on 17 February, 2011, 02:10:13 AM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 16 February, 2011, 05:45:49 PM
Is this better?
(http://www.badmovies.org/movies/megaforce/megaforce4.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Megaforce, assemble! Or something...
- C
Haven't seen it but I can imagine the keyboard heavy "banging synth" music to accompany this movie when I see this picture.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 02:42:05 PM
(http://files.myopera.com/attackblogs/albums/188526/gilerafuoco500ie.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMT_Yd7gJPM
I'd save that one for the Nemesis The Warlock film.
I was trying to propose a Triumph Rocket III with dual front wheels with a gatling between them.. But alas..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 06:06:54 AM
I was trying to propose a Triumph Rocket III with dual front wheels with a gatling between them.. But alas..
Is that the one with a 2.2 litre engine? If so, exactly how much do you hate stuntmen?
or a Travertson V-rex with proper Lawmaster riding position and big handle-bars.
(http://image.motorcyclecruiser.com/f/10318983/0805_crup_04_z+travertson_vrex+vrex_cruising.jpg)
(http://image.motorcyclecruiser.com/f/10319085/0805_crup_09_z+travertson_vrex+vrex.jpg)
Look at that suspension.
(http://image.motorcyclecruiser.com/f/10319079+w750+st0/0805_crup_07_z+travertson_vrex+vrex_wheel.jpg)
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/2008-travertson-vrex-review-75546.html
Quote from: pops1983 on 18 February, 2011, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 06:06:54 AM
I was trying to propose a Triumph Rocket III with dual front wheels with a gatling between them.. But alas..
Is that the one with a 2.2 litre engine? If so, exactly how much do you hate stuntmen?
Apparently they handle quite nicely.. Anyway, the only people that listened to me was you lot..
What was their reason for not going that way?
(http://www.mezzomotors.com/bomotors/imagesmotors/208motors19.jpg)
Nice find Joe...
I want one of those. :P
That would make a great base to build the Lawmaster from.
:(
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 08:41:13 PM
Quote from: pops1983 on 18 February, 2011, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 February, 2011, 06:06:54 AM
I was trying to propose a Triumph Rocket III with dual front wheels with a gatling between them.. But alas..
Is that the one with a 2.2 litre engine? If so, exactly how much do you hate stuntmen?
Apparently they handle quite nicely.. Anyway, the only people that listened to me was you lot..DONT CALL ME LOT :lol: :lol: :lol:
CyberPunk Cycle or what.
You could see them easily making a Law Master out of this. Still I'm ok about the bike they've got. They were on a budget and I bet this would set you back a bob or two.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 18 February, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
(http://www.mezzomotors.com/bomotors/imagesmotors/208motors19.jpg)
Nice find Joe...
I want one of those. :P
That would make a great base to build the Lawmaster from.
:(
It'll set you back 40Grand. I love the steering on it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 February, 2011, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 18 February, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
(http://www.mezzomotors.com/bomotors/imagesmotors/208motors19.jpg)
Nice find Joe...
I want one of those. :P
That would make a great base to build the Lawmaster from.
:(
naw naw lets go for the daft looking one :-\
It'll set you back 40Grand. I love the steering on it.
Shame, I saw the 40K price tag attached to it, I suppose that decided it.
I wonder how many bikes are in the movie?
If there was only one, I'd bust the bank and have this bad ass in it.
There's at least two.
Should have gone with that and given Anderson a scooter :)
or give her a just a helmet and make her a passenger.
The design was already set and they were worried about brand association.. Allegedly..
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 18 February, 2011, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 February, 2011, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 18 February, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
(http://www.mezzomotors.com/bomotors/imagesmotors/208motors19.jpg)
Nice find Joe...
I want one of those. :P
That would make a great base to build the Lawmaster from.
:(
naw naw lets go for the daft looking one :-\
It'll set you back 40Grand. I love the steering on it.
That's a proper lawmaster.
It's a bit odd that they were worried about brand association, when the basic shape seems awfully similar to the prototype that was posted a while back.
I thought brand association is a good move, if they had that bike on the movie, would they have no room for modifying the bikes?
I was under the impression companies would love to have their products on screen and even donate a few for the cause.
If you see it on screen, makes you go out and buy one.
It depends on the context.
For example drug-dealers driving mercedes might not go down too well.
Though what they have is servicable, maybe we should have had a worldwide whip-round on Kickstarter like they did for Detroit with the RoboCop statue and bought them the above Travertson V-rexs.
Meh.. Apparently it's more trouble than it's worth..
4.5..
Unless the bike has a fair amount of screen time, I'm not sure I care too much about the bike.
Weirdly - I care very much about the Eagle Pad... I love the Eagle Pad...
They should have got some of these tyres for the Lawmaster.
(http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=monster%20bike&i=Pic---Monster-Motorbike-Cam.jpg&w=500&h=)
Quote from: watto911 on 19 February, 2011, 11:40:16 AM
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Nice find Joe...
I want one of those. :P
That would make a great base to build the Lawmaster from.
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naw naw lets go for the daft looking one :-\
It'll set you back 40Grand. I love the steering on it.
That's a proper lawmaster.
Hmm I wonder if they knew about these almost Lawmaster already bikes whilst they were in the design stages. Must not have been able to stretch the budget that far.
Sigh. The one they have is no further from a Lawmaster than these alternatives. Certainly no worse than that one with the oddly placed wheels. Might work better if they put a big chunky thing over the front wheel connecting it with the front (that gap just looks strange to me).
Quote from: Mardroid on 19 February, 2011, 11:20:22 PM
Might work better if they put a big chunky thing over the front wheel connecting it with the front (that gap just looks strange to me).
That's the point, any bike they use would be
modified -like the ones they're using- and no bike would be left unmodified, but the steering on the
Travertson V-rex looks like it could accomodate a wider wheel. This bike also has a better seating position and longer length which makes it different from the others but it'd be expensive and it's too late so it's all academic now.
Hi.
I remember, a couple years ago, when the first teaser images of The Dark Knight were "leaked" online. It was the bat-pod. With batman on it. And I thought, "That might look a bit silly in the film..." Then the trailer was released. And it didn't look silly. It looked awesome. It was more awesome in the final film. And I thought, "When I first saw that in the leaked picture, I thought it might look a bit silly. But it's not. It's awesome." And the moral of the story is, don't judge the bike (snigger) until we've seen it as it's intended to be seen.
That is all.
- C
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 19 February, 2011, 09:16:52 PM
They should have got some of these tyres for the Lawmaster.
(http://www.thebikergene.com/gallery/zen/i.php?a=monster%20bike&i=Pic---Monster-Motorbike-Cam.jpg&w=500&h=)
This made me very happy - thanks!
How stupid would you look falling over at the lights with that?
If you're riding something like that, would YOU stop at red lights? ;)
this is my next door neighbour.. he's about 59 years old.... He spent a week in his garage with some balsa wood and black and red paint and came up with this bike... Cost him £24-50 in total for everything
surely , the real dredd movie isnt doing the same ...... is it ??
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 21 January, 2011, 04:17:20 PM
Enhanced the contrast and doubled the size of the pic... This is our first decent look at the Judges' uniform!
(http://carrollm@michaelowencarroll.com/pics/movie-lawmaster1.jpg)
Personally i don't know why they did'nt go to custom choppers for the lawmasters as i'm sure they'd get something better looking than this? but then again we hav'nt seen it used in the context of the film or as it's meant to be seen (at night) i'm holding judgement till opening morning:)
bumpity bump!
has there been no new official look at the lawmaster yet or has empire bagged that too for a later date?
Whilst reading about the all electric DeLorean on the Fox News website I came across this electric Tron bike. Perhaps these guys should have been asked to build the Lawmaster?
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/10/08/tron-inspired-lightcycle-hits-road/?intcmp=related
They should have had the blokes from American Chopper make it, seeing as it is just a futuristic Hog!
If I had the money that's where I would have went for a couple of the beasts ;)
Quote from: Glenn Broadway on 19 October, 2011, 10:28:03 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/10/08/tron-inspired-lightcycle-hits-road/?intcmp=related
That was interesting. Despite what they say in that article, the guy riding in the bike looked kind of precarious though, as if it were kinda- unwieldy. That might just be because he wasn't used to sitting in that position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIH7L5ABKFg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIH7L5ABKFg)
Lawmaster on the loose! Nicely done though the budget only stretched to one other vehicle.