Dredd (2012)

[Richmond Clements]

I think too, that no matter how unbloody you make it, when you have the two 'heroes' executing captured criminals and shooting people in the back, you're running into a ratings problem right there.

So how did Taken 2 get it's rating? There was plenty of killing in that.

No idea. Never seen Taken 2. The massive amount of racism in the first one was quite enough for me.

[Rusty]

I think too, that no matter how unbloody you make it, when you have the two 'heroes' executing captured criminals and shooting people in the back, you're running into a ratings problem right there.

So how did Taken 2 get it's rating? There was plenty of killing in that.

No idea. Never seen Taken 2. The massive amount of racism in the first one was quite enough for me.

LOL I know what you mean. yeah, those nasty bad guys from over there are at it again in the second one. And guess what? They die by the dozen. It's an atrocious film, so bad I think I'll stop typing before I go into one.

[Tiplodocus]

I genuinely think you lot must be reading a different comic from me and SBT if you think you can't do a great DREDD story that doesn't have excessive gore (and sex or swearing).

I don't think anyone has said that...

Cheers

Jim

Fair enough. Skim reading. Sorry.

[Tiplodocus]

I think Dredd should've just shouted at the criminals and tried to get them to stop with threats of imprisonment! If only we had the bland DC/Marvel tosh that seems to go down well with the lobotomised masses and watered down the whole Dredd mythos, at least then it would've been amazing!
I was disgusted that we had a true to character portrayal on screen and was left fuming as Dredd and that female Judge (who was just a sex object) went about killing people who never really had a chance in finding their potential in life.

Disgusted of Maidstone!!!

And I don't think ANYONE is saying that either.

[Richmond Clements]

I genuinely think you lot must be reading a different comic from me and SBT if you think you can't do a great DREDD story that doesn't have excessive gore (and sex or swearing).

I don't think anyone has said that...

Cheers

Jim

Fair enough. Skim reading. Sorry.

Hold on... you're apologising? On the INTERNET?
What's happened to you, man? You've changed...

[dweezil2]

I think too, that no matter how unbl
oody you make it, when you have the
two 'heroes' executing captured crim
inals and shooting people in the bac
k, you're running into a ratings pro
blem right there.

So how did Taken 2 get it's
rating? There was plenty of killing
in that.

It got cut.

[Apestrife]

I think Dredd should've just shouted at the criminals and tried to get them to stop with threats of imprisonment! If only we had the bland DC/Marvel tosh that seems to go down well with the lobotomised masses and watered down the whole Dredd mythos, at least then it would've been amazing!
I was disgusted that we had a true to character portrayal on screen and was left fuming as Dredd and that female Judge (who was just a sex object) went about killing people who never really had a chance in finding their potential in life.

Disgusted of Maidstone!!!

Sex object!? The female Judge was atrocious. I came to the cinema and hoped for a couple of good side boobs or cleavage and that she'd stay out the way!
But nooo: she had to have a fully devolped and good character (aren't those meant for men!?) and not a single sexualised moment... Yeah sure "one": but it took the fun out of picturing her naked

And why was that Dredd-cop such a villian? I constantly had a hard time telling him apart from the bad guys. My head almost hurt since I almost had to THINK

[MercZ]

To be honest, R is equivalent to both 15 and 18.  The excessively violent stuff tends to be viewed more lightly in the US.  On the other hand, pretty much anything with explicit sex & nudity is forced up to NC-17, which has become associated with pornography.  As I understand it, a lot of cinema chains refuse to show NC-17 movies; Blockbuster Video won't stock NC-17; and many US magazines & TV stations won't accept advertising for an NC-17 movie.

What it means, I suppose, is that the nearest to NC-17 in the UK is "R18", i.e. porn.

Yeah, that is true. Being from the United States myself, it's difficult to find theaters that will screen NC-17 movies or stores that carry them- rental or retail. Most movies that get NC-17 go beyond the nudity allowed in R films (IE past nudity to something nearing porno), as well as *overly* violent scenes. The first Saw movie IIRC originally got slapped with NC-17 before it edited it, and even the South Park movie got NC-17 so it can be pretty weird at times.

At times excessive violence can get it too, but Dredd was pretty on level I think with what's allowed under R movies. Just for comparison, Looper also got an R here so it can be pretty broad as to what they consider to be "violent"- going from a couple of scenes to a whole movie.

I can't remember the last movie that got an NC-17 rating and stuck with it. Most movies that end up with that level usually appeal to MPAA and can lower it to R, either by convincing the board that their rating was incorrect or editing their film to remove more offensive parts.

This being said I'm not sure whether or not a more open rating could have helped Dredd. I know some movies in the past, like that one Die Hard movie, edited its content to get a PG-13 ranting while its DVD release was "uncut" and at an R with the reasoning it could get more people in the theater. I don't know if the same thing could work with Dredd, so I think when it comes to the success of the movie in the United States it wasn't hurt by its R rating. I remember when I was younger when I went with an older cousin to go see 300 (ugh), and there were plenty of people clearly under 17 there who got in either by going through the door or came legitimately with an older person.

My 2 cents is that honestly I think people weren't aware there was such a movie like Dredd, and for those that were, didn't seem to have their interest piqued by the trailers and other promotional material. And plus all the other numerous variables with film making, sometimes some variables are beyond your control.

[radiator]

Wasn't Robocop an NC-17 because of violence?

[Jim_Campbell]

No idea. Never seen Taken 2. The massive amount of racism in the first one was quite enough for me.

How dare you! Only a communist and/or homosexual and/or terrorist would dare to make such an insinuation. Why do you hate America, you commie terrorist poof?*

Love and kisses

Jim

*Probably a Muslim, too.

[Jim_Campbell]

Fair enough. Skim reading. Sorry.

No worries...!

Cheers

Jim

[Richmond Clements]

No idea. Never seen Taken 2. The massive amount of racism in the first one was quite enough for me.

How dare you! Only a communist and/or homosexual and/or terrorist would dare to make such an insinuation. Why do you hate America, you commie terrorist poof?*

Love and kisses

Jim

*Probably a Muslim, too.

How dare you sir! I'm not a commie!

[radiator]

Tbh I think Dredd could have scraped a 15 had it had a bigger studio behind it. There isn't anything particularly shocking in it, and a lot of the violence has a dreamlike quality that takes the edge off it. A lot of the reviews made much of the [spoiler]Mam-ma's exploding head scene[/spoiler], but in context it's weirdly beautiful and artful.

I think it was more the drugs and sexual content that pushed it into 18 territory.

[dweezil2]

Wasn't Robocop an NC-17 because of violence?

If memory serves me correctly, the mpaa trimmed some violence to avoid an NC-17 and this was the R/18 that got released in US and UK cinemas.
The cut footage later turned up on the US unrated and the UK 18 cert DVD.

[Hawkmumbler]

The groin biting would have prevented the 15, IMHO.  Everything else MIGHT have passed.