Looks freakin fabulous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjoLeM25tAs
(https://i.redd.it/7cr38zyz1h341.jpg)
I'm guessing you guys have all seen the trailer?
Quote from: karlos on 09 December, 2019, 08:42:57 AM
I'm guessing you guys have all seen the trailer?
Good use of Blue Monday. Made me mildly interested in the film, despite the previous one being incredibly dull. I did enjoy the weird miscasting of David Thewlis as a god of war. It was entertainingly terrible. Chris Pine, on the other hand, was as wooden as his name suggests.
I'm looking forward to this so much more after seeing that trailer.
Great use of Blue Monday, would love to see them just use New Order songs for the entire soundtrack.
It's a stonking remix, isn't it?
Love the trailer.
Birds of Prey looks pretty great, too.
Looks fantastic. And Blue Monday? Superb.
Pedro Pacal as Maxwell Lord? Take my money. Fantastic actor, and a character I still have a lot of affection for, from the Giffen-De Matteis JLA run.
Pascal is Max Lord? Oh, that could be interesting.
The 80s setting seems really interesting
https://deadline.com/2019/12/wonder-woman-1984-gal-gadot-patty-jenkins-interview-ccxp-amazon-movie-inclusion-representation-diversity-feminism-women-1202804180/
"the '80s was a time when the world was at its most extreme before we understood any cost."
Not to mention hopes of some influences from George Perez Wonder Woman book. Btw. The golden armour. That's probably from Kingdom come? Any good?
Kingdom Come is good stuff, aye.
The sequel-y thing, The Kingdom, not so much.
Quote from: karlos on 13 December, 2019, 08:55:21 AM
Kingdom Come is good stuff, aye.
The sequel-y thing, The Kingdom, not so much.
Kingdom Come is phenomenal, the art alone...
Have never read The Kingdom, unless it was the series, I vaguely remember reading, that had multiple artists, including a young Frank Quitely drawing Plastic Man?
There were a bunch of one-shots that spun out from The Kingdom - maybe Quitely worked on one of those?
The sequel is only OK, for a variety of reasons, and mostly because there was no way it was going to be as good as the first.
Quote from: karlos on 13 December, 2019, 10:35:45 AM
There were a bunch of one-shots that spun out from The Kingdom - maybe Quitely worked on one of those?
The sequel is only OK, for a variety of reasons, and mostly because there was no way it was going to be as good as the first.
I think that might be it. I literally only remember the Plastic Man issue, due to the Quitely art.
Finally saw this last night, was aware it was getting massively varying views so had very little in the way of expectations.
Opening scene was incredible - maybe the highlight of the movie but the rest ...
[spoiler]Hmmm ... Wonder Woman falls in the love with the first man she sees and when he dies she spends the next 70 years pining away for him .. not one but TWO scenes where she rescues children (yeah we get it she's one of the good guys) ... no explanation as to how Steve ended up in someone else's body ... why was Max Lord granting *every* wish and not just the ones that benefitted him ... Barbara and Diana have ONE lunch together and are suddenly best friends ... Barbara turns into Cheetah with almost zero foreshadowing ... the Golden armour - looked very cool but ultimately usesless as it gets trashed during the first fight ... also did you know there's nothing sadder in this world than a woman having dinner alone?[/spoiler]
Also she kills zero men in this one so some forum members may be happy to know this :lol:
Quote from: Rara Avis on 16 January, 2021, 11:06:42 AM
Finally saw this last night, was aware it was getting massively varying views so had very little in the way of expectations.
Opening scene was incredible - maybe the highlight of the movie but the rest ...
[spoiler]Hmmm ... Wonder Woman falls in the love with the first man she sees and when he dies she spends the next 70 years pining away for him .. not one but TWO scenes where she rescues children (yeah we get it she's one of the good guys) ... no explanation as to how Steve ended up in someone else's body ... why was Max Lord granting *every* wish and not just the ones that benefitted him ... Barbara and Diana have ONE lunch together and are suddenly best friends ... Barbara turns into Cheetah with almost zero foreshadowing ... the Golden armour - looked very cool but ultimately usesless as it gets trashed during the first fight ... also did you know there's nothing sadder in this world than a woman having dinner alone?[/spoiler]
Also she kills zero men in this one so some forum members may be happy to know this :lol:
This was my main issue with the first film to be honest.
For a film claiming to push a positive feminist agenda and a strong female character, Diana spent an inordinate amount of time mooning over Steve, I guy she had only just met and she appeared far more reliant on his help by the climax of the film, giving the film a far more regressive message than the "girl power" one it claimed to imbue.
Arguably, the 70's, Lynda Carter starring show did more for female empowerment than this generic attempt, so much so, I'm not particularly bothered by seeing WW84.
The opening scene was great, a strong, action filled sequence that would surely carry on through the rest of the film...
And then the next scene promptly shat the bed.
[spoiler]I watched the mall scene with something like incredulity and whispered to my wife "is this a kids holiday movie?"
If you had created a generic super heroine and make a Hallmark Xmas movie about her saving precocious kids from comically inept bad adults it could not have been worse that this. As that scene ended, I just had a sinking feeling that surely the rest of the movie cannot be as bad as that.
But it was.
The whole premise of people wishing for things was bad enough, but then to have the climax of the movie being everyone in the entire world then giving up their deepest wishes in order to save the day? FUUUUCK!!!!
I watched this movie on Boxing Day, still pissed that I paid money for it.
Also - Jimmy Steve and his reaction to things in the 'future' - funny the first time, but then that joke got run into the ground again and again.
And finally, the crowning turd in the cornflakes - Lynda Carter's cameo at the end. FFS, what a waste....
End Spoiler, End Rant.
[/spoiler]
I totally missed the cameo - not spoilering that in case other people want to catch it to. When does it happen?
Omg how could I forget about the [spoiler]sassy black child and WW as saviour of shopping malls and consistent consumerism?[/spoiler]
And then the final Christmas market scene ... [spoiler]where she meets the guy who Steve was possessing and he's wearing the outfit that Diana wanted Steve to wear but he thought it was stupid but it's exact way that she styled him, oh I guess it's just meant to be !!!! Vomit.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Also in Egypt - the parents of those children run a stall on a main road - THOSE CHILDREN SHOULD KNOW TO WATCH FOR TRAFFIC AND SO SHOULD THEIR PARENTS. [/spoiler]
Quote from: Rara Avis on 16 January, 2021, 07:50:02 PM
I totally missed the cameo - not spoilering that in case other people want to catch it to. When does it happen?
As I recall it -
[spoiler]
Just about a minute into the credits, there a scene where a mysterious woman in a blue cloak & cowl is walking past a cafe. Something happens (I forget what) to cause a massive pole to come crashing down towards some of the people outside the cafe. The mysterious woman reaches up and using her obviously supernatural strength, stops the pole from crushing anyone.
"Wow! How did you do that, Mysterious Woman?" asks a patron/victim/survivor/patsy.
"It's something I learned, something something*, in my home country. By the way my name is
Mysterious Name from Themyscira." says the Mysterious Woman who turns to the camera to reveal herself to be Lynda Carter
(TM)Cue
shocked gasps retching and disappointment from the audience who have had their collective childhood put into a blender and then used as an enema.
Roll further credits.
*It was word for word what Wonder Woman said she she thumped that creepy dude in the park earlier in the movie. I'd remember what it was but I've been flushing the memory of this movie out of my mind with tequila and home made cough syrup.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler]A simple shift of weight etc .. also Lynda Carter is Asteria the Amazon that got left behind to hold the line ..
and she also saves a baby!
This is bullshit, she went from stopping wars to saving babies and shopping malls ..[/spoiler]
At £15:99 I can give this a miss till it's available to rent. The reviews have not been kind, and it appears that the DC Films Universe still hasn't quite found the right story path for its stable of characters. Let's hope Wonder Woman soldiers on to better fare and the upcoming Batman movie re-energises the DC brand.
DC films are always flawed in the same ways - not enough focus on the plot and too much CGI. If they could reverse those trends they could make some good movies.
I really enjoyed Winder Woman, the best of a not terribly good bunch of DC movies, but I'm dreading the watch now considering reviews I've read, and opinion on here.
The DC movies thus far have been dreadful, which is a shame, because with the characters and stories they have to mine, the movies they've come up with have completely missed the Mark with strange character choices, terrible CGI and scripting, and Zach Snyder treating Superman like some sub PS2 gritty hero/Avenger.
At this stage, they need a miracle to turn these movies around. I'm just perplexed as to why they didn't just give James Gunn free reign on all the characters and scripting. At least his movies have heart and emotion.
A fun film whilst I watched it, but actually thinking about it after, I realised all the terrible writing and horrendous plot really didn't work. Messy as hell, DC should be shamed that they held on to it for so long and didn't change it for the better.
Quote from: Rately on 18 January, 2021, 10:42:00 PM
The DC movies thus far have been dreadful
I thought Aquaman was as dumb as a box of rocks, but
knew it and managed to be quite a lot of fun as a result. And Shazam was great.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 19 January, 2021, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: Rately on 18 January, 2021, 10:42:00 PM
The DC movies thus far have been dreadful
I thought Aquaman was as dumb as a box of rocks, but knew it and managed to be quite a lot of fun as a result. And Shazam was great.
I can't agree with Aquaman, though I think Jason Mamoa was great casting, but Shazam is just bloody brilliant. Great casting, a lovely, emotional script that hits the mark and some great comedy.
Had completely forgotten about it, and must add that to the list for a re-watch.
Yeah Shazam! is consistently excellent, even gets in a proper ye oldie PG-13 'Is this for kids?' sequence.
Shazam works by not feeling like a DC movie and instead just feels like a Kick Ass type of thing.
There isn't a DC movie yet that wouldn't benefit by being an hour shorter at least.
I thought WW84 was just terrible. It's amazing just how bad the writing was and I still don't really buy into Gadot.
Better than Aquaman though.
I didn't mind Aquaman. I.e. I enjoyed it well enough but there's lots better and I'm not in a rush to watch it again.
So, since I seem to have a lower enjoyment threshold than a lot of other people, I'd imagine I'll like Wonderwoman 1984 ( or whatever it's called).
I remember when I knew it was being streamed on Amazon, I did looked forward to watching it... then saw the rental price.
I didn't expect it to be the same price as regular rental since this is a cinema release alternative but, that's actually more than I pay at the cinema!
Depending on the cinema of course. Since prices are more, others less. And I guess I'm paying for it to be sent to me too rather than having to travel, but then there isn't the cinema experience either, so it's all swings and roundabouts. Bit then I think, I could buy the film for around that price in less than a year's time!
Anyway, putting it off for now.
Oddly I am very much looking forward to the director's cut off Justice League this month although I liked the Whedon version. (Another film everyone else seems to dislike.) I don't think I'll be able to put that one off, although I'm still uncertain at four hours it won't drag. I'm just... so.... curious... (Yes I remember the one about the cat.)
Quote from: Mardroid on 14 March, 2021, 01:01:54 PM
I didn't mind Aquaman. I.e. I enjoyed it well enough but there's lots better and I'm not in a rush to watch it again.
So, since I seem to have a lower enjoyment threshold than a lot of other people, I'd imagine I'll like Wonderwoman 1984 ( or whatever it's called).
I like Aquaman really quite a lot, and I didn't enjoy WW84 at all. It's too long (after forty minutes, you're still waiting for the plot to kick in), the plot is perfunctory and doesn't make much sense, tonally it's all over the place, and the subtexts are largely
terrible. All of which is a shame, because I thought the first one was great and I very much
wanted to like this one.
Aquaman is the best Saint Seiya movie. It's an absolute clusterfuck of nonsense, a larping project given a hollywood budget. The kind of action pomp I can really get behind.
Shazam! was pretty wonderful too.
WW84 just made me annoyed.
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2021, 01:38:23 PM
Shazam! was pretty wonderful too.
I've said often, and most likely at tedious length, that if DC's first three movies out of the gate for their DCEU project had been Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam then they wouldn't have found themselves in the mess they ended up with.
Like all the DCU movies I will wait until it's around a fiver in Morrisons before watching WW84. I liked the first one well enough, but do have a sense of "seen that now, don't need to see any more".
Aquaman is a character I am more invested in- but thought the movie version diabolical. Or rather, it was a fun enough movie, but to enjoy it i had to take my Aquafan hat off, which I really didn't want to do. That said, I am looking forward to The Trench, if it ever gets made. If it doesn't, well, I'm not going to cry.
SBT