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Title: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
Cover by Edmund Bagwell.  Bitey.

Like last week every thrill is on top form.  ABC Warriors (which for me has been the weakest link, comparitively) is the best episode yet.  Bachmann goes into overdrive in Dredd.  I suspect we ain't seen nothing yet.  And all other thrills continue in top quality form.  The prog really is strong at the moment.  Extra thrill circuits required.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 November, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
Bachmann goes into overdrive in Dredd.

:lol: Will Dredd turner in?
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Danbo on 03 November, 2012, 11:41:12 AM
The plot thickens.... am loving this Cold Deck Dredd story line and what a cliffhanger?!?!?!?!

So glad I subscribed.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 November, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
Bachmann goes into overdrive in Dredd.

:lol: Will Dredd turner in?

Drokk it!  I was trying to think of something with Turner for ages as well.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: chuffsteruk on 03 November, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
2nd week without a Saturday Prog...
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 November, 2012, 01:20:27 PM
Well it was never going to top last week now was it. Still it gave it the damnest try and its a bloody astonishingly fantastic prog. Everything firing on all cylinders. Even the weakest of the bunch, ABC Warriors is bloody fantastic and that final page splash was a beaut. At a push I'd say Low Life edges top thrill this week but that's really like choosing between your children. Each time I look at one of them all I see is wonder and delight and even their slight faults are endearing and add to their charm. I love um all in slightly different ways but at the end of the day I'd chew me own hand of for each one of them.

2000ad has never been this good, I think I really mean that.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Cactus on 03 November, 2012, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 November, 2012, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
Bachmann goes into overdrive in Dredd.

:lol: Will Dredd turner in?

Drokk it!  I was trying to think of something with Turner for ages as well.

Ewing, Spurrier and Williams beat you to the punch(line) with Judge Bachman, Mr Turner and Mr Overdrive.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 November, 2012, 04:16:16 PM
I don't care for the clumsy ABC Warriors, but everything else is firing on all cylinders. Loving the threads running through these three Dreddworld stories, especially Low Life, which continues to be a highlight within 2000 AD's history, never mind just the current Prog. Also, great to see with Ewing that someone else utterly 'gets' Dredd. (One thing I'm hoping, however, is we don't next week see another "idiots at Justice Dept. for some reason all gang up against Dredd". Despite his stoically not taking on the responsibility he should—as ably noted by Hershey; he's more often than not who the department should listen to, and so if he ends up turfed out/fired/banged up, that'll all be a bit hrrmm.)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Minkyboy on 03 November, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Cover - striking image and all kinds of odd. Suffers a bit from being face on I think. I didn't see the stretched Dredd face until I had read the prog and was having another look.

Dredd - How wide is that Lawmaster?! Lovely bit of internal Basil from Old Stony Face about 'The Black Pit', reminding us all just how desperate everything is. Which contrasts violently with Bachmann's politics and power play. With the Kleggs and the Nightmare gun we are getting our retro circuits twanged as well.
So good, so so good.

ABC - Lots and lots of talking heads but I liked the colouring.

Brass Sun - Peril in the long grass, glorious styling.
Reminds me a lot of this British themed game being developed "Sir, You Are Being Hunted." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsETDtHE5NM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsETDtHE5NM)
Brass Sun is the best new thing in the prog since Kingdom for me, gonna be a classic.

Low Life - Space-Frank! and a fey, upright man crocodile. Comics doesn't get any barmier than this. Top thrill for me, with Frank's grin as he comes through the plast-suit membrane being my fave.

Simp - Like a massive slab of chocolate cake it is just a bit too rich for me, a bit too much to digest. The amount of text to get through slows it down to a bit of a slog. And Judges turning a blind eye to crime because of charity status? Unlikely, even in post bug times.

Great prog and top times for us!
Thanks Thargy Baby
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Fisticuffs on 03 November, 2012, 09:41:14 PM
I am LOVING the Lawmaster, fantastically chunky and mean-looking.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 10:24:51 PM
Quote from: Cactus on 03 November, 2012, 03:46:38 PM
Ewing, Spurrier and Williams beat you to the punch(line) with Judge Bachman, Mr Turner and Mr Overdrive.

I genuinely cannot believe I hadn't noticed that yet.  That's going to make me hugely happy every time I read these stories from now on.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Cactus on 03 November, 2012, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: oshii on 03 November, 2012, 10:24:51 PM
Quote from: Cactus on 03 November, 2012, 03:46:38 PM
Ewing, Spurrier and Williams beat you to the punch(line) with Judge Bachman, Mr Turner and Mr Overdrive.

I genuinely cannot believe I hadn't noticed that yet.  That's going to make me hugely happy every time I read these stories from now on.
I hadn't noticed the Bachman/Overdrive link until DanDon'tDare's comment above, then I had to check this week's prog to find Mr Turner.

It's chuffin' brilliant stuff though, isn't it?
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Proudhuff on 05 November, 2012, 02:30:17 PM
I don't think the top thrills/surprise of last week would be topped but this came close, twisty turny with even ABC doing a fine job, not [spoiler]often the prez gets shot in the head[/spoiler]! and that last page was a bit silly...

the Bachmann/Turner/Overdrive doing char-e-tee make me smirk too
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 05 November, 2012, 07:44:12 PM
Bachman, Turner, Overdrive? Am I missing something or am I just to young to be on here?
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 November, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 05 November, 2012, 07:44:12 PM
Bachman, Turner, Overdrive? Am I missing something or am I just to young to be on here?

We're too young. I had to look it up - wiki says it was a '70s canadian band.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: strontium71 on 05 November, 2012, 08:11:31 PM
LET'S ROCK!!!

(http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af68/strontium71/imagesqtbnANd9GcQBhkZs6q9HYHsr4adIa.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mikey on 05 November, 2012, 08:15:38 PM
I imagine you ain't seen nothing yet,younglings. (It clicked with me this week)

It was always going to be tough to follow last week as has been said,but by Jovus I think they pulled it off! Love how The Three have bounced back off their (first) convergence-all in top form too,with Low Life winning by a head bump. Brilliant stuff, I'm loving it!

ABCs was superb this week too with a dark and angry undertone,just like good Mills should be.

And Brass Sun is still just wonderful. Seems wrong to give it only one line,but there's only so many ways to say I love it.

The greatness continues, Tharg. Keep 'er lit.

Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: vzzbux on 05 November, 2012, 10:53:23 PM
Maybe the whole thing is a big set up to weed out Bachmann. With corrupt Judges close to the top being an integral part of the chaos bug succeeding and the Sinfield debarcle before hand a third strike so soon may be a bit too much.




V
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Pete Wells on 05 November, 2012, 11:48:18 PM
For the young 'uns who don't get the Bachman Turner Overdrive reference, let's rock!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2012, 12:06:03 AM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 05 November, 2012, 11:48:18 PM
For the young 'uns who don't get the Bachman Turner Overdrive reference, let's rock!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo)

Aw cripes, I love that song! Turns out I do know their stuff after all then, just somehow missed catching the band name all these years.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Pete Wells on 06 November, 2012, 12:50:31 AM
The song was a running joke on the Harry Enfield Show. Smashy and Nicey, two 80's style Radio 1 DJ's (shown higher up in this very thread), used to play it over and over again, with the preface "Let's Rock!"
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mikey on 06 November, 2012, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 05 November, 2012, 11:48:18 PM
For the young 'uns who don't get the Bachman Turner Overdrive reference, let's rock!:

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo)

Also covered regularly by The Almighty in their early live shows, pop pickers!

M.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Banners on 06 November, 2012, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: Mikey

Also covered regularly by The Almighty in their early live shows, pop pickers!

M.

And by The Icicle Works (available on the Live At The Albert Lark Lane 7").
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Proudhuff on 06 November, 2012, 11:45:58 AM
They were the reason we fought the punk wars! In my day yadda yaada... contd page 65
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Goaty on 07 November, 2012, 01:47:58 PM
Woohoo! This prog appears on digital in ClickWheel today! awesome!

That is great prog, need to re-read all again!

Love Flint's Lawmaster!

(http://i.imgur.com/o7SEh.png)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: zombemybabynow on 07 November, 2012, 03:01:26 PM
AND ANOTHER AMAZING PROG
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 November, 2012, 03:30:58 PM
Does anyone else now hear a rough approximation of the Dredd soundtrack thumping away in the background while Joe does his monologing?
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Proudhuff on 07 November, 2012, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 07 November, 2012, 03:30:58 PM
Does anyone else now hear a rough approximation of the Dredd soundtrack thumping away in the background while Joe does his monologing?

Nope,  in my world its a Tom Waits' instumental
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: a chosen rider on 07 November, 2012, 11:01:50 PM
Cover - Must confess that this doesn't quite work for me; something about the head-on perspective just seems weird.

Dredd - As last week, superb in every way.  I love the reference to the perp having seen Cal's Kleggs on the vid as a three-year-old - really drives home the depth of history at play here.  Also love the idea of Dredd being able to understand but not condone Judges suffering emotional breakdowns; underscores both how far he's come emotionally and the ways in which he hasn't changed.  Is Henry Flint's art getting even better?  I do believe it is.  Madness.

ABC Warriors - Wow, the [spoiler]blood[/spoiler] here comes across as unexpectedly and impressively nasty.  And that final splash page is great.  Overall this series has been very much up and down, but this is a really strong instalment without the usual squinting past flaws to see it that way.  Thumbs up!

Brass Sun - This continues to be beautiful, but I must admit I'm starting to get a wee bit bored with the constant twists and turns; I'd like to get a clearer sense of the stakes and where this is all heading sometime soon.  Still enjoyable stuff, though.

Low Life - D'Israeli's sensitive Klegg face in the first panel is the best.  Is it me, or is that Murd the Oppressor among that group facing Frank at the end?  ...I struggle for things to say about this strip, because it's simply just delightful in every way.  I could read whole progs of nothing but Dirty Frank's adventures.

Simping Detective - Love that panel of Point meeting the simps at the bottom of page one.  Coleby's art continues to grow on me more and more each week.  I also kinda love that the simps' dialogue is basically the equivalent of that Blackadder episode where he was trying to convince people he was mad by interjecting the word 'wibble' every so often.  I do find it very hard to believe that Mega-City law allows any sort of diplomatic immunity and special exemptions for religions, though.

Always sets a great tone for the prog when Dredd's on top form, and it's even better when everything else is too.  Fabulous stuff.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Frank on 07 November, 2012, 11:39:02 PM
Quote from: a chosen rider on 07 November, 2012, 11:01:50 PM
ABC Warriors - Wow, the [spoiler]blood[/spoiler] here comes across as unexpectedly and impressively nasty.  And that final splash page is great.  Overall this series has been very much up and down, but this is a really strong instalment without the usual squinting past flaws to see it that way.  Thumbs up!

This week's Warriors pisses over everything else from some height. Crap gag about Hammerstein breaking The Resolute Desk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oval_Office#Resolute_Desk) (i) aside, this episode really allows Langley's art to do what it does best; big, bold images which are configured for maximum shock value. When you want a splash page of a robot blowing the brains out of the President of the United States, Clint's breezy disregard for subtelty and understatement are positive advantages. If someone in editorial deliberately scheduled the killing of a charismatic, deceptively sympathetic Commander-in-Chief with blood on his hands to run this week in particular, they deserve a medal.

The knowing humour of that final page had me in fits of giggles; both writer and artist are clearly having a lot of fun here, and if the ability to pull off this kind of humour without undermining the drama is a rare talent in a writer, it's even more rare for the artist not to step on the gag with artwork that either buries the gag or plays it in far too broad a manner. Mills's method of choosing his artists carefully, tailoring his script to suit their talents, and making sure they're sympathetic to the nature of the story he's telling, has paid off brilliantly here.

(i) is there some significance to a character whose people have been figured as slaves or African-Americans destroying something hewn from the timbers of a British anti-slavery frigate?
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2012, 12:13:49 AM
I've just realised why President Quartz's insistence that the only way to deal with tyrants is to let them know that all options are on the table (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WlVvFVu3G2M#t=120s) sounded so familiar.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Proudhuff on 08 November, 2012, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: a chosen rider on 07 November, 2012, 11:01:50 PM
Dredd - As last week, superb in every way.  I love the reference to the perp having seen Cal's Kleggs on the vid as a three-year-old - really drives home the depth of history at play here.  Also love the idea of Dredd being able to understand but not condone Judges suffering emotional breakdowns; underscores both how far he's come emotionally and the ways in which he hasn't

Yeah, he's itching... just not scratching!!
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Spikes on 08 November, 2012, 06:48:20 PM
Ahh, fine fine prog.

Another top Dredd from Ewing and Flint.
Even if Dredd wont allow himself to ponder on things, there's much for us to chew over. Wonder how its gonna play out next week? And i do wonder if Bachmann is about to be wrong footed?
ABCwarriors shines a wee bit brighter this week, but its still bringing up the rear, im afraid.
Simp, Lowlife, and the superb Brass Sun, a solid gold favourite of mine now, all continue in fantastic form.

The only real niggle this week is the cover, which doesnt do it for me. Though i am liking it more than i did.

£2.35 - thats money well spent. Again.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 08 November, 2012, 06:48:20 PM
the superb Brass Sun, a solid gold favourite

It can't be a precious metal and a copper alloy, Neebs. Speaking of brass, was that a Henry Moore sculpture (http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/4352/p3092970.jpg) which turned up to kick the arses of those Richard Case Doom Patrol bad guys? You don't get that in The Walking Dead.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Spikes on 08 November, 2012, 07:22:44 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 08 November, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
It can't be a precious metal and a copper alloy, Neebs.

When Tharg's on fire, owt's possible.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Tombo on 08 November, 2012, 08:24:52 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 08 November, 2012, 07:05:12 PM

It can't be a precious metal and a copper alloy.

cough, I'll just leave this here  :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentium_sterling_silver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentium_sterling_silver)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2012, 08:38:41 PM
Quote from: Tombo on 08 November, 2012, 08:24:52 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 08 November, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
It can't be a precious metal and a copper alloy.

cough, I'll just leave this here  :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentium_sterling_silver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentium_sterling_silver)

This incident will form chapter one of my new book, The Perils of Being a Smart Arse.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mabs on 09 November, 2012, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 November, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 05 November, 2012, 07:44:12 PM
Bachman, Turner, Overdrive? Am I missing something or am I just to young to be on here?

We're too young. I had to look it up - wiki says it was a '70s canadian band.

Thanks for that! That would've passed me by!
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 November, 2012, 05:04:15 PM
Quote from: a chosen rider on 07 November, 2012, 11:01:50 PM
Low Life - D'Israeli's sensitive Klegg face in the first panel is the best.  Is it me, or is that Murd the Oppressor among that group facing Frank at the end?  ...I struggle for things to say about this strip, because it's simply just delightful in every way.  I could read whole progs of nothing but Dirty Frank's adventures.

Certainly was, along with his dual-eyestalk henchmen. I hope the hairy dude inat the back doesn't turn out to be Trapper Hag or we'd be drifting perilously close to fanwank territory.

there was one other reference to a very old prog in Simping Detective with the Nightmare Gun - remember the Synthetti Men way back in the day? (can't remember prog, but it eneded up in CF:5)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Proudhuff on 09 November, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Maybe Frank's stumbled into the Megazines Mass Mass killers story?  :o
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 09 November, 2012, 05:57:07 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 09 November, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Maybe Frank's stumbled into the Megazines Mass Mass killers story?  :o
That's set before Chaos Day.  :lol:
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mabs on 09 November, 2012, 06:09:53 PM
+++ spoilers +++

Wow! What a Prog! I may be in the minority here but i enjoyed this weeks prog more than last weeks one!

Heres why;

Balls.

Yes no one has balls more bigger than the 2000AD team! This comic is light years ahead of the American stuff and it just keeps on getting better. I remember reading Millar's Enemy of the State some time ago. It was an enjoyable comic, Wolverine going ape shit and slicing up everything left right and centre. But there was a really jarring moment in between where we see Wolvie going after the President. But we never get to see him offing the Bush alike president - did Millar bottle it? Who knows. Maybe he had reservations. But here at 2000AD the word 'bottling it' doesn't exist; thats because Hammerstein blows the big man's head clean off! Wow! What a read! An the bombshell at the end was really brilliant. Ever since ABC had switched to black and white i've been enjoying the hell out of it.

Judge Dredd Part 3 was awesome aswell. The opening page was brilliant and showed how much the guy wanted to bugger off from MC1. Bachmann is one calculating and cold bitch! I knew there was something up with her from Part 1 after that wry smile she throws when Hershey's tearing Dredd a new one. The ending has got me gagging for the next prog!

ABC Warriors as i've mentioned was awesome this week. Its amazing to think that a story which started off the weakest is now one of my favourite! Langley's artwork is superb as ever.

Brass Sun is beautiful. Very close to being my favourite strip right now. The only downside is its too damn short!

Low life is absolutely hilarious! Franks ''farewell sensitive Klegg..'' speech had me in stitches :D Another story which is fast becoming a favourite. As for The Simping Detective, i'm not a big fan unfortunately. Points jibberish does get a little tedious at times but the black and white artwork by Simon Coleby remains superb.

So another strong prog. Roll on next week!
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mabs on 09 November, 2012, 08:05:53 PM
P.S. Just forgot to say that i was really pleased to hear Strontium Dog will be back. Thank you Tharg : )
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 November, 2012, 10:23:36 PM
Quote from: Mabs on 09 November, 2012, 06:09:53 PMBut here at 2000AD the word 'bottling it' doesn't exist; thats because Hammerstein blows the big man's head clean off! Wow! What a read!

Oh yeah - Best line of the prog: "Thank you Mr President"
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Frank on 09 November, 2012, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 November, 2012, 05:04:15 PM
Certainly was (Murd the Oppressor), along with his dual-eyestalk henchmen. I hope the hairy dude inat the back doesn't turn out to be Trapper Hag or we'd be drifting perilously close to fanwank territory. There was one other reference to a very old prog in Simping Detective with the Nightmare Gun - remember the Synthetti Men way back in the day? (can't remember prog, but it eneded up in CF:5)

As long as we're trainspotting, Ewing's "He'd seen forty-year men weeping openly in the squad room, unable to move" is a great echo of Wagner's "They cheered him when he came out - first time Dredd had seen that. Twenty year men, forgetting themselves" (664). More subtle and effective than just dragging and dropping Dave the Orangutan into a strip.

As well as the very different circumstances in which Dredd and Justice Dept find themselves in each story, it's interesting to note the differing attitudes Dredd's comments- more than twenty years apart - suggest, and the emotional changes those years and their events have wrought. In the pre-Necropolis story, Dredd's more scornful and derisive of his colleagues' displays of emotion. "Not something he could condone - but he understood", is much more empathetic, but Dredd's still figuring himself as standing apart from his fellows - alone and isolated.

Having Dredd tell the reader how he feels, even in internal monologue, would strike a false note from such an emotionally constipated character with no talent for introspection. Whenever Wagner, or a writer who understands the character as Ewing does, needs to have Dredd tell the reader about himself, it's most successfully achieved by having him tell us about other people. Think of the sequence in Terror where Dredd explains that the kind of terrorist, the sort of person who uses violence to get what they want, who's to be feared most is "the true believer ... they justify any act, any attrocity ... they figure keep it up long enough, make things bad enough (and they'll get) what they want".

Dredd could have been describing his own fanatical, implacable and resolute self at that point; I'm not sure whether that description still obtains for the guilt-ridden Dredd who's lived through the horrors of Chaos Day and blames himself. Perhaps some of those despairing forty year men are the same twenty year men who cheered another Fargo clone, who also brought death and disaster to the city.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: I, Cosh on 09 November, 2012, 11:29:42 PM
For some reason I had it in my head that the panel in question was a deliberate recreation of an older one where Dredd's remembering or hallucinating a whole host of adversaries. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mabs on 09 November, 2012, 11:36:18 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 November, 2012, 10:23:36 PM
Quote from: Mabs on 09 November, 2012, 06:09:53 PMBut here at 2000AD the word 'bottling it' doesn't exist; thats because Hammerstein blows the big man's head clean off! Wow! What a read!

Oh yeah - Best line of the prog: "Thank you Mr President"

Yes indeed! Brilliant.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: W. R. Logan on 09 November, 2012, 11:56:00 PM
I must be in a minority. Whilst the Prog is ok I wouldn't quite give it the plaudits everyone else is.
Dredd is moving along nicely, the art is a joy but has Henry ever turned in anything less than thrill powered.
I'm enjoying the story but sometimes wish that writers would lock away their copies of the Case Files.

ABC Warriors is failing to get my Thrill Receptors buzzing and as much as some Dredd references start to annoy then most of Pats recent writing is all about past glories.

The rest of the Prog remains in read and awaiting each story to conclude so they can be read in one chunk, which is why I'm probably missing all the links everyone else are raving about.

As for this weeks cover if it was entered in the Forums art competition it wouldn't make my top three.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 10 November, 2012, 12:16:17 AM
So... you're choosing not to read a chunk of the prog and then complaining that you're not enjoying the story that self-evidently requires you to read multiple stories?

Bloody-minded doesn't even seem to come close.

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: W. R. Logan on 10 November, 2012, 01:16:34 AM
I'm not reading them as I wasn't enjoying them after the first couple of episodes.
Whilst both stories have great art Dirty Frank bores me and Simping just isn't working for me.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mabs on 10 November, 2012, 01:37:52 AM
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 09 November, 2012, 11:56:00 PM
I must be in a minority. Whilst the Prog is ok I wouldn't quite give it the plaudits everyone else is.
Dredd is moving along nicely, the art is a joy but has Henry ever turned in anything less than thrill powered.
I'm enjoying the story but sometimes wish that writers would lock away their copies of the Case Files.

ABC Warriors is failing to get my Thrill Receptors buzzing and as much as some Dredd references start to annoy then most of Pats recent writing is all about past glories.

The rest of the Prog remains in read and awaiting each story to conclude so they can be read in one chunk, which is why I'm probably missing all the links everyone else are raving about.

As for this weeks cover if it was entered in the Forums art competition it wouldn't make my top three.

I think its an awesome cover!  :D
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Robert Frazer on 10 November, 2012, 03:26:28 AM
I'm genuinely intrigued by the developments of the Dreddverse tales over the last few weeks. Dredd and the Biscuit Dunking Man must be conducting some sort of shell game to trick and expose Bachmann (why else would Dredd have deliberately held back to let the sale be completed?), but Heaven knows which cup the ball will be found under in the end. Wheels within wheels...
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Frank on 10 November, 2012, 08:30:43 AM
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 10 November, 2012, 01:16:34 AM
I'm not reading them as I wasn't enjoying them after the first couple of episodes. Whilst both stories have great art Dirty Frank bores me and Simping just isn't working for me.

The art on both strips is certainly much better than their respective (and shared) stories, but I thought Frank persuading the sensitive Klegg to try eating his associate was priceless.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Zarjazzer on 10 November, 2012, 10:39:50 AM
yay Kleggs! Another almost magical prog of story telling and art. The winner this week is...da da da! The reader. Parts of simping detective were just so brilliant I was almost gasping at the sheer genius of art and story. Ha ha ha, indeed.

Bloody hell in years to come grizzled twoofyers may be praising future progs by saying "that was a proper 1807 or 1808" that was.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 November, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 09 November, 2012, 11:56:00 PM
I must be in a minority. Whilst the Prog is ok I wouldn't quite give it the plaudits everyone else is...
The rest of the Prog remains un-read... which is why I'm probably missing all the links everyone else are raving about.

You really are answering your own question there.

You're well within your rights not to enjoy things that others do, but to only read half the prog each week then complain that you can't understand why everyone thinks the prog is so good...  ::)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: W. R. Logan on 10 November, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
If the two stories gripped me then I'd read them each week but they don't.
Sure it's the creators job to engage me not my task to force myself to read it.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 10 November, 2012, 01:12:27 PM
Screw it, I see the Dreddverse has merged with the Bennettverse. Dredd'l be groping cadet's on the back of his lawmaster next.  ::)

Seriesly though, the prog is on fire at the moment. Clearly Judge Bennett (as I shall name him) and Dredd are in on something, and Point and Frank are pawn's that got caught up in something big. Kinda cofused as to why Roffman seem's to have sided with Bachman, or maybe circumstances dictate he play's the good little boy.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 November, 2012, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 10 November, 2012, 01:12:27 PM
Kinda cofused as to why Roffman seem's to have sided with Bachman, or maybe circumstances dictate he plays the good little boy.

Remember he knows nothing of Bachman's... (I don't know what to call it. Corruption?)... or Dredd's vendetta, or that he and Buell were trying to keep the Folger buisness a secret for as long as possible. He simply followed protocol by passing the matter on to his current division head (Bachmann) when he realised the importance of the case.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 10 November, 2012, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 10 November, 2012, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 10 November, 2012, 01:12:27 PM
Kinda cofused as to why Roffman seem's to have sided with Bachman, or maybe circumstances dictate he plays the good little boy.

Remember he knows nothing of Bachman's... (I don't know what to call it. Corruption?)... or Dredd's vendetta, or that he and Buell were trying to keep the Folger buisness a secret for as long as possible. He simply followed protocol by passing the matter on to his current division head (Bachmann) when he realised the importance of the case.
Ah of cause! Easy to over look thing's like that, but regardless, corcking prog.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Kanoobi on 12 November, 2012, 02:38:06 AM
I hadn't read the progs for a few weeks so tonight I had a session reading the last 3, I think it's great how they intertwined a storyline throughout the different strips. I'm really into the art and story of Brass Sun and I am warming more to Low Life. I am very much enjoying the Dredd story and the ABC Warriors too, although I wish it included the whole gang as I have only recently caught up by reading the original stories and love 'em. The single page art of Hammerstein was particularly cool (Thank you Mr President) as was the final frame.
I like the Simping Detective too, it can require slower reading to take it all in but it's great stuff.
All in all a good prog and I like the references to times of old such as the last frame of Low Life with Murd, great to see the Kleggs again and the Bachmann Turner Overdrive theme lol  :)
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Montynero on 12 November, 2012, 10:24:17 AM
Great prog! Dredd is just perfect right now. Brass Sun is epicly amazing though the art is getting a bit too rushed and simplistic in places. Low Life is funny! It was clever how the Dredd strip tied in with Dirty Frank's mission last week. These little details make for a really satisfying read.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mardroid on 12 November, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
I've enjoyed the last two Progs a lot, although I didn't quite get how Dirty Frank was shifting in and out of danger this episode. Doesn't that transport system take him down a specific preprogrammed route, or does he move around?

I'm enjoying the ABC Warriors arc a lot. I didn't dislike the previous Volgan War outings, but this is really good.

I do wonder why the opposition only had the good weapons anti-ABC weapons at the start though.  Even those mark 4 Hammersteins turned out to be rubbish, although in their case a Windows Vista-esque joke reason was given.

It says something for the writing that, I hoped Hammerstein wouldn't murder the president, even if it was for the supposed greater good. Yet... at the point that he did it, after the President made that statement, I found myself thinking, "he have that coming". "Thankyou, Mr President," indeed.

Not that I'm saying I condone assassination. Point is, it was understandable.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Mardroid on 12 November, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
"he have that coming". = "he had that coming."
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: TordelBack on 12 November, 2012, 06:09:46 PM
That whole damn Prog was zarjaz, I don't even know where to begin picking apart the warm pervasive glow to get at the individual coals.  Maybe a few notes:

1. Cover is absolutely splendid in the flesh, leaping off the shelves at me it was.
2. The quality of Al Ewing's writing is simply astonishing this week. 
3. Fabulous high-concept sequence in Low Life.
4. Clint Langley, you still have it, man, in spades.  Lay off the photos, please - every panel should be filled with your excellent robots.   
5. Quite amusing to see such Yeowellesque designs in the wonderful Brass Sun.
6. Interesting to see almost all the parties in the Cold Deck crossover making good use of psis, Coleby's be-bagged one being particularly creepy.
7. Every strip a winner.
Title: Re: Prog 1808 - Judge Klegg
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 November, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 12 November, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
I do wonder why the opposition only had the good weapons anti-ABC weapons at the start though.  Even those mark 4 Hammersteins turned out to be rubbish, although in their case a Windows Vista-esque joke reason was given.

It has precedent as far back as the Meknificent Seven, when Hammerstein handed the supposedly invincible Mark X his arse on a plate. Also could be seen as the forerunner of the info-lation seen in Volgan War, by which point companies are just re-releasing the same old shit in new packages with deliberate built-in defects to ensure they can sell the next models.