Cover: Nice, but odd. Doesn't really look like the style of either artists involved!
Dredd: Continues to be great, but I get the feeling that it's gonna be over soon.
Absalom: Did not end as expected.....but no complaints really. Just expected a bit more.
Helium: No surprises, continues along familiar lines.
Outlier: Only the art is keeping this one afloat now.
Jaegir: After the last couple weeks, some welcome action. Loving Coleby's work on this.
What a tag-line :)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/Caliban_photos/1942_zpstoznnkbz.jpg)
Glenn Fabry, colours by Ryan Brown.
"Let it go, let it go!"
Quote from: Fungus on 01 August, 2015, 12:55:31 PM
What a tag-line :)
Aye. A beauty.
Really like that cover as well.
Sweet stuff. Z
The Dredd is great but it feels rushed - some slow menacing build-up to the city-wide snow storm and the reveal of the baddie would have made it feel more sinister and epic, I feel.
Hasn't the big freeze been building for many months, with sly references most recently in the opener of Mike's Emerald Isle story? I'm not a particular fan of the Titan/Enceladus storyline, or its perspective on a lost and powerless Dredd (although the art is magic and the allusions clever), but I certainly can't fault Williams (and pals) for the stealth-epic approach he's made his own. Far more believable and weighty than many citywide crises that have come and gone before.
Killer tag-line, BTW.
Quote from: Fungus on 01 August, 2015, 12:55:31 PM
What a tag-line :)
It's a neat reference, but I hate the makeshift arrow made out of hyphens and a greater-than sign.
Quote from: TotalHack on 02 August, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
I'm not a particular fan of the Titan/Enceladus storyline, or its perspective on a lost and powerless Dredd (although the art is magic and the allusions clever)
I've enjoyed the stories, but they've relegated Dredd to the role of a passive victim, an object contested by others - Williams describes Dredd as a ghost haunting his own strip (http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/04/20/bcp-interview-rob-williams-talks-judge-dredd-encel/). As Ichabod's meta-commentary on narrative demonstrates, Rob Williams understands the various roles and function of characters completely, so I'm sure there's a reason for making Dredd a Maguffin, rather than a protagonist.
So far, Titan has been a story about Dredd being talked out of shooting a fleeing perp by another judge, then Enceladus was about Dredd losing his shit watching another judge shoot a perp. Both have illustrated something about the limits and boundaries Dredd imposes upon himself, which make him what he is, and what it means when those boundaries are blurred, but the character arcs go to Gerhart and Nixon*.
I'm pretty sure the reason for looking at Dredd from such a remove isn't just down to the difficulty of writing the character, which Williams has commented upon before (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,35063.msg885150.html#msg885150), and probably has more to do with the visual metaphor of Enceladus - which, viewed from afar, is an apparently dull and stable entity, but which turns out to have been shaped by occasional volcanic outbursts (of mysterious origin) from beneath its forbidding surface.
While we're looking at Dredd from afar, maybe we should consider what he sees when he looks at Nixon and why she has gotten to him in this way. Maybe she reminds him of the last time a former Titan with a breathing tube where their nose should be turned Dredd's world into an icy death chamber. That story turned out to be one of the most important in shaping the strip and the psychology of the character:
(http://i.imgur.com/UEDYAmQ.png?1)
*
the resolution will probably involve [spoiler]Gerhart using his new physiology to do an Anderson, containing the menace within himself - completing his trajectory from someone who hated Dredd but saved him out of dedication to his duty as a judge, to someone who recognises the importance of Dredd and sacrifices himself to save the city (and Dredd) to illustrate both his dedication to his duty as a judge and his enduring humanity[/spoiler]
Just wow there Sauchie. Z
I refer the honourable gentlemen to my previous remarks about Sauchie/Butch/WhateverTheFuckHe'sCallingHimself's tedious close-reading schtick. Seriously. Get over yourself, son.
Jim
Quote from: Butch on 02 August, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
I've enjoyed the stories, but they've relegated Dredd to the role of a passive victim, an object contested by others - Williams describes Dredd as a ghost haunting his own strip (http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/04/20/bcp-interview-rob-williams-talks-judge-dredd-encel/)... (snipped)
Nice theories, it'll be interesting to see how it pans out. And thanks for posting that interview link - trying to remember if I saw it when the previous instalment of Enceladus was published...
I'm enjoying the comments on this fascinating Dredd story and the way Williams and Flint are portraying JD and Hershey.
Also looking forward to the collected edition which Rob Williams tweeted will be forthcoming.
Good work all round
Well I get a lot out of Butch's observations, long may they last. Z
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 02 August, 2015, 07:40:00 PM
I refer the honourable gentlemen to my previous remarks about Sauchie/Butch/WhateverTheFuckHe'sCallingHimself's tedious close-reading schtick. Seriously. Get over yourself, son.
Jim
Bit harsh.
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 03 August, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
Bit harsh.
Permit me to be very clear on this point. When I refer to Butch/Sauchie's "schtick" I use the word advisedly, and with care.
The whole "studious little butter-wouldn't-melt-in-house-mouth Butch" persona is just that: a persona.
Over on the comments section of the ECBT blog, Butch/Sauchie has deployed even more pseudonyms, the most recent of which (I think) was Jock Savage (not to be confused with a poster here using the same handle who, I'm pretty sure, is a completely separate person). Over on ECBT, our boy has shown a rather different side to himself, enthusiastically egging on Lockjaw and Burdis during their —frankly, reprehensible and indefensible— campaign of character assassination against Mike Molcher.
Meanwhile, over on Facebook, Butch/Sauchie goes by "Wullie Russell" — having had a number of FB accounts closed down in recent months for using fake names, he has (somewhat improbably) managed to convince Facebook that "Wullie Russell" is his real name, and he's busily engaged sucking up to Rob Williams over there, whilst posting his insightful dissections of how Rob is getting it all wrong under a different name here.
In short: Butch/Sauchie is a weaselling, two-faced little troll, and I will not apologise for giving him short shrift.
Jim
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 03 August, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 02 August, 2015, 07:40:00 PM
I refer the honourable gentlemen to my previous remarks about Sauchie/Butch/WhateverTheFuckHe'sCallingHimself's tedious close-reading schtick. Seriously. Get over yourself, son.
Jim
Bit harsh.
More than a bit harsh, just downright nasty.
Quote from: Skullmo on 03 August, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
More than a bit harsh, just downright nasty.
I disagree. See above.
Incidentally, whichever boarder is really "Martin Newton" — I'm sure Butch appreciates you emailing me directly on his behalf, but I would suggest that contacting me directly on a work-related email address is both inappropriate and a little creepy.
Jim
I...was not aware of any of this. Nor am I informed enough to make a judgement based off this alone. It's not my place to criticise Butch, and it was wrong for me to critisice you also. I was not aware a serious of events had transpired elsewhere.
Thank you for clarification, Jim, but you'll have to forgive me for climbing out of a hole I dug myself as I try to avoid internet dramas such as these.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 August, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
Butch/Sauchie has ... enthusiastically egg(ed) on Lockjaw and Burdis during their campaign of character assassination against Mike Molcher
No, I didn't.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 August, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
... post(ed) his insightful dissections of how Rob is getting it all wrong
No, I didn't (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,42410.msg886333.html#msg886333).
I have never read anything but facetious informed commentary from Sauchie in all my tenure on this forum. I would be quick to cry wolf had I. Z
Quote from: ZenArcade on 03 August, 2015, 06:30:14 PM
I have never read anything but facetious informed commentary from Sauchie in all my tenure on this forum. I would be quick to cry wolf had I. Z
Oh, the Butch/Sauchie persona is very consistent here. It's everywhere else that I have issues with.
Jim
I can say no more. As ever I urge friendship and informed/insane contribution to this truly wonderful forum. Z
Moving on, I usually don't like Jaegir very much, but this week's episode was pretty good. It's nice when that happens.
I have to assume that Jim, an upstanding old-school gent whose online presence I have always enjoyed and respected, has information that I'm not party to, but the idea that Sauchie/Bikini Kill/Butch is a 'fake' persona or sock puppet really doesn't gel at all with my own impressions. I don't always agree with Sauchie's readings, and I can see how they might be deliberately provocative or have the potential to irritate, but I've always found them interesting, worthwhile and very rarely negative.
Sorry, but you're wrong on this one.
Jim
Moving on...
I doubt it......
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 August, 2015, 08:41:10 PM
Sorry, but you're wrong on this one.
I so often am! But I have to go on the evidence of my own eyes, which is largely limited to this forum as far as Sauchie is concerned. I'm afraid I had to give up on ECBT2000AD a while back, after our senses of humour had apparently parted company. And Facebook is not my friend. So while I accept that Jim has formed opinions based on information I don't have, mine are solely based on Sauchie's output here.
And sorry chaps, yes, moving on...
Obviously Campbell doesn't listen to our ill informed Progcast, as anyone who does will know we've actually praised Mike many times for his interviews and lately more on the PR side but especially his selling skills at SDCC. I had a go at the lack of tweets and instagrams that came during SDCC, as I thought it deserved more posts.
You had also better check what character assassination means before you think that saying someone can do certain things better is that.
You are the most obnoxious person on here as far as I can see, especially with your constant swearing. It's as though you are the forum Troll, thinking that what you say goes. I sometimes wonder if you actually like 2000 AD or Dredd, as it seemed that you enjoyed telling people that there wouldn't be a sequel and revelled in slamming people down who are desperate to see one happen.
I apologise to everyone else for continuing to help mess up this thread about the prog but I only post this, as I was mentioned by a person who has single handedly made many people leave the forum!
Why don't you just pour yourself another drink and try to relax for a change!
Cheers
John
P.S. You can pick me up on any spelling mistakes or grammatical mistakes if you like!
The grammar may be rough.....but the point is well made.
QuoteI'm afraid I had to give up on ECBT2000AD a while back, after our senses of humour had apparently parted company.
ECBT2k - come for the vitriol, Stay for the paedophile jokes.
For me it's the bizarre dislike of certain creators. Saying they're dead weight and should be sack.
Or the time they said Emma Beeby's scripts were probably just written by grennie.
Or the time when Flint spent 10 or 15 minutes of the podcast explaining why Molcher should be sacked.
Comic fans. Gotta love them.
Didn't take long for the admin who starts a thread about women in their underwear to comment.
I could mention how one writer was openly slagging off a 2000 AD artist the other day on facebook but I'm sure you'll know who I mean. He also tried to cover it by joking that he suffers from Aspergers, nice!
Yeah, feel free to hit me with an ad hominem. I notice no refutation of what I said though...
At least we're not hypocrites, aye Richmond. Women Power!
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 03 August, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
At least we're not hypocrites, aye Richmond. Women Power!
I'll just let your posts speak for themselves.
So long as everyone knows you started that disgraceful thread about belittling women and thinking they are just sex objects then I'm happy, especially as you are an admin. What a disgrace!
Remember the bit when accused someone of trolling and said you weren't a hypocrite..? Take your time, I'm sure you can figure it out.
*Munches popcorn*
Cover: loved the tagline, however thought the Dredd figure was a bit static and lacking the Aged Dredd of the story.
Dredd: Some of my favourite art here, especially hershey, love to see his take on the aging Anderson
Absalom: Sad this has ended, looking forward to the next series already
Helium: Loved the art/story and colours here
Outlier: Skippity skip, I'm afraid, my bad,
Jaegir: Highly enjoyable, showing how the Rogue sandbox should be played in. Loving Coleby's work on this.
I noticed those reading comprehension skills of yours haven't improved any, John. I referred to ECBT's little vendetta against Molcher in the past tense.
I have to grudgingly admire your brass neck, but are you REALLY going to pretend that ECBT didn't do a podcast whose opening seventeen minutes or so were exclusively dedicated to reasons why Molcher should be sacked? Not a little light criticism, not some jovial banter: over a quarter of an hour dedicated to a call for one named individual to lose their job.
I called it rephrensible and indefensible because it was. You may have adopted a more conciliatory time since then —God knows, it wouldn't be hard— but I haven't listened to an ECBT podcast since then because that one genuinely turned my stomach.
Jim
In other news: good prog.
I feel sorry for Outlier, which is perfectly good but just seems to lack whatever the indefinable spark is that has the rest of the prog vying for classic status. And, my God, how about that art? Varied, eclectic, all perfectly suited to their respective tales.
(I'm going to be working on completely 2000AD-unrelated one-shot with art by the Coleby/O'Grady team. I'm pretty excited.)
Cheers
Jim
Pound for pound, Colbey is probably my favourite artist working at the moment.
Saw the collected Royals in FP and almost bought it for the art alone.
On Dredd:
1. Isn't the cover a massive spoiler? We don't know what happened to Nixon on Titan, yet it says she's now an alien entity? Maybe that's obvious and can be inferred but it's not been spelled out, which makes it a spoiler, surely?
2. I don't like the way the citizens are ignored. The story seems rushed. Suddenly, the city is in danger? Where are the weather riots, the citizens chasing fatties for blubber or the other minor details that give a sense of scale and make the city a character?
On the above:
Sheesh.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 03 August, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
Isn't the cover a massive spoiler? We don't know what happened to Nixon on Titan, yet it says she's now an alien entity? Maybe that's obvious and can be inferred but it's not been spelled out, which makes it a spoiler, surely?
Wasn't Dredd saying "She's not human" in the previous episode kind of spelling it out?
So what was the conclusion?
Is Sauchie/Butch/etc allowed to post his opinion? Or does the claim that he is odious in another place prevent him from doing this/advocate personal attacks?
It would be nice if an impartial admin can make a decision either way and have words as the childish bitching is getting really tiresome and to leave unresolved will just perpetuate it.
Since —apparently— no one else is remotely concerned by the behaviour I described, I will put Butch on ignore and do my absolute best never to respond to another of his posts.
I appreciate the insinuation that I might be making this up, though, Skullmo. Nice one.
Jim
In my experience Jim is like Columbo.
He never misses a clue and always solves the case.
And there's always "just one more thing"?
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 August, 2015, 03:21:02 PMIncidentally, whichever boarder is really "Martin Newton" — I'm sure Butch appreciates you emailing me directly on his behalf, but I would suggest that contacting me directly on a work-related email address is both inappropriate and a little creepy.
So it's not just me, then. This person repeatedly emailed me the precisely same email for some time, and sent further out of context replies, presumably relating to a specific topic on the board. I wondered if they just didn't know how to use forums, but replies were met with silence. I server-blocked him after getting sick of it and—lo and behold—he found another address to bug me on. Looking online, he has a history of this—it's not only the 2000 AD board he stalks people from.
As for the Prog, enjoyable on the whole. I think Outlier's lost me, but the others all barrelled along nicely. Absalom's quick conclusion is a pity. I rather wish we could magic a universe where that strip had some kind of four- or six-month residency in the Prog. (And where we could also clone a version of Gordon Rennie that would write a concluding Caballistics, Inc. run.)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 August, 2015, 06:21:11 AM
Since —apparently— no one else is remotely concerned by the behaviour I described, I will put Butch on ignore and do my absolute best never to respond to another of his posts.
I appreciate the insinuation that I might be making this up, though, Skullmo. Nice one.
Jim
I am not intending to perpetuate this, I just want to respond to your concern.
I am not insinuating that you made this up. I do not frequent the same pages you do, it doesn't interest me to read them.
I will explain my comments below.
So what was the conclusion?
- I am looking to draw a line under this situation. In my opinion this would ideally be for you and Sauchie to make up and discuss your concerns elsewhere, eventually resolving them. As one would in real life, rather than on the internet.
Is Sauchie/Butch/etc allowed to post his opinion? Or does the claim that he is odious in another place prevent him from doing this/advocate personal attacks?
- It is a claim, as it is based on your opinion. Should behaviour elsewhere prevent posting on the forum? In my opinion no, but then I am not an admin. I thought that the opinion expressed while a bit bizarre was not offensive in any way. When people say 'so and so is s*it@ then I take offence at those comments.
It would be nice if an impartial admin can make a decision either way and have words as the childish bitching is getting really tiresome and to leave unresolved will just perpetuate it.
- Not just related to your argument but to the ones that followed on this thread. While it is always fun to read meltdowns on forums from a ghoulish observer perspective I think that overall it damages the whole community spirit. I know that everyone cannot agree all the time, especially on the internet, and that arguments happen however it is my opinion that admins should step in to moderate these situations getting out of control. Without some conclusion reached I couldn't help but feel this would be one that would bubble away.
I hope that helps explain where I was coming from and I hope you can now see that I was not intending any personal attack.
Quote from: Skullmo on 04 August, 2015, 11:23:42 AM
I am looking to draw a line under this situation.
I've already made it very clear that I will do just that, without requiring the adjudication of a moderator.
Jim
This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0)
I haven't read this prog as yet, cover looks a bit strange.
I've no idea what I've missed or who said what to whom. But if folk can't get along, can't you just ignore one another? :-\
Quote from: Skullmo on 04 August, 2015, 11:23:42 AM
I am not intending to perpetuate this, I just want to respond to your concern.
I am not insinuating that you made this up. I do not frequent the same pages you do, it doesn't interest me to read them.
I will explain my comments below.
So what was the conclusion?
- I am looking to draw a line under this situation. In my opinion this would ideally be for you and Sauchie to make up and discuss your concerns elsewhere, eventually resolving them. As one would in real life, rather than on the internet.
Is Sauchie/Butch/etc allowed to post his opinion? Or does the claim that he is odious in another place prevent him from doing this/advocate personal attacks?
- It is a claim, as it is based on your opinion. Should behaviour elsewhere prevent posting on the forum? In my opinion no, but then I am not an admin. I thought that the opinion expressed while a bit bizarre was not offensive in any way. When people say 'so and so is s*it@ then I take offence at those comments.
It would be nice if an impartial admin can make a decision either way and have words as the childish bitching is getting really tiresome and to leave unresolved will just perpetuate it.
- Not just related to your argument but to the ones that followed on this thread. While it is always fun to read meltdowns on forums from a ghoulish observer perspective I think that overall it damages the whole community spirit. I know that everyone cannot agree all the time, especially on the internet, and that arguments happen however it is my opinion that admins should step in to moderate these situations getting out of control. Without some conclusion reached I couldn't help but feel this would be one that would bubble away.
I hope that helps explain where I was coming from and I hope you can now see that I was not intending any personal attack.
Well said, sir. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
:'(
Beautiful cover.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 03 August, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
2. I don't like the way the citizens are ignored. The story seems rushed. Suddenly, the city is in danger? Where are the weather riots, the citizens chasing fatties for blubber or the other minor details that give a sense of scale and make the city a character?
Good point. The madness of the city always adds to the flavor of a tale.....a trick missed perhaps.
Freezing their holes off. Z
Quote from: Ghost MacRoth on 04 August, 2015, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 03 August, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
2. I don't like the way the citizens are ignored. The story seems rushed. Suddenly, the city is in danger? Where are the weather riots, the citizens chasing fatties for blubber or the other minor details that give a sense of scale and make the city a character?
Good point. The madness of the city always adds to the flavor of a tale.....a trick missed perhaps.
This is a good point but I wouldn't necessarily agree that the story feels rushed. I think they're just going for 'desolate' which makes for an eerie atmosphere in the big Meg. Anyway, I'm enjoying the story.
Likewise the rest of the prog really. The standout for me is Helium which I'm absolutely loving. I've been quite critical of Edington in the past - I've always thought of him as a great ideas man but not such a great writer. He's knocking it out of the park with this one though.
Lastly, I really, really love the cover. I think it's the colours and the contrast of the big white frozen city and the lost looking Dredd.
Nice cover and the tag-line made me smile. Why didn't I think of that?
Dredd continues to be fantastic. I have no quibbles about where the cits are and disagree it's been a sudden freeze - it's been well trailed if you ask me.
Quote from: TotalHack on 02 August, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
I'm not a particular fan of the Titan/Enceladus storyline, or its perspective on a lost and powerless Dredd
Dredd
The hell is wrong with you?! Anyway, I'm firmly of the opinion this is less of a Dredd story and more of a Low Life yarn as I alluded to before. I think that the 'backseat' Dredd's taking only helps to focus that for me. And Hershy has never looked so good and been so bad ass! Top thrill this week again.
I was disappointed that
Absolam finished this week as I don't think I'd ever get bored of it. Great finish that keeps me gagging for the next instalment. Brilliant stuff all round and I'm already looking forward to its return.
And
Helium is just pure unadulterated fun - like a too flight Saturday morning serial. And regarding the name of the airship, ISTR reading a short called something like
The Last Flight of the Belaerophon or something - can't pinpoint where and haven't yet looked it up or trawled me shelves, but wondered if it's sort of related? I'm wittering now...
Jaegir is indeed graced with some simply wonderful art - the shadows and grit really draw you in. And yes, it's great to see the Rogue universe used to such good effect.
Unfortunately
Outlier doesn't ring the same bells personally. Love the art and it's cracked along rightly but as Jim said, think it's maybe being cast into the shadows a bit.
Great prog Tharg.
M
Google's pretty amazing when you actually use it - the story I was thinking of was The Maiden Flight of McCauley's Bellerophon by Liz Hand.
As you were.
M
Quote from: Mikey on 04 August, 2015, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: TotalHack on 02 August, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
I'm not a particular fan of the Titan/Enceladus storyline, or its perspective on a lost and powerless Dredd
Dredd
The hell is wrong with you?!
How long do you have? Nothing bad about it, and I could look at the art all day, but it's just never really clicked for me. I think I'd possibly enjoy it more if it
had been a Low Life story, a series of which I am (perversely) a big fan. A passive reactive Dredd is his own story just doesn't thrill me.
As for the build-up and the citizenry, I think these gave both been handled fine - not every crisis has to be depicted the same wY., and freezing refugee citz we've seen before anyway.
Quote from: TotalHack on 04 August, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
I think I'd possibly enjoy it more if it had been a Low Life story, a series of which I am (perversely) a big fan. A passive reactive Dredd is his own story just doesn't thrill me.
As for the build-up and the citizenry, I think these gave both been handled fine - not every crisis has to be depicted the same way, and freezing refugee citz we've seen before anyway.
I know exactly what you mean, but that's part of exactly what makes it so interesting for me - for once Dredd has a foe that can't be shot, blown up, punched, or encased in Boing, and he's
hating it. Roaring aimlessly around the city on his bike, stomping the corridors of the Grand Hall of Justice with gritted, grinding teeth and clenched fists, snapping at everyone within range; it's fascinating to watch. He's got no idea how to fight Nixon, and it's clearly torture. Like watching him get snogged by Demarco or forced to sit and do paperwork by Beeny, I'm loving every minute - Dredd's at his best when most uncomfortable.
It's also lovely that Flint's finally back on the character he co-created all those years ago [spoiler](Dirty Frank)[/spoiler], as well as being the artist to depict this final adventure (I assume) for that other co-creation of his, Aimee Nixon. It feels... right.
Quote from: Butch on 02 August, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
So far, Titan has been a story about Dredd being talked out of shooting a fleeing perp by another judge, then Enceladus was about Dredd losing his shit watching another judge shoot a perp. Both have illustrated something about the limits and boundaries Dredd imposes upon himself, which make him what he is, and what it means when those boundaries are blurred, but the character arcs go to Gerhart and Nixon*.
Dredd's apparent powerlessness in Titan is really about reflecting Nixon's rage back on herself. The apparent genesis of her corruption and the definite root of her desire to break Dredd himself is the felling of impotence and unwarranted guilt she herself is made to feel by Dredd way back in that one Low Life story that ran in the Meg.
Her ultimate failure to do so is what's led to what, one assumes, is the end of her story. I can see the argument that making Dredd the sort of blank foil to Nixon might turn some people off the story but, for me at least, it doesn't make Nixon's final end any less interesting or enjoyable.
Haven't actually read this week's Prog right enough. Maybe I'll think it's a lot of guff.
Maybe there's a case that Dredd being a blank slate here allows the focus to land elsewhere - mainly on what-was- Nixon and whatever the drokk made her that way.
M
I enjoyed all of that prog. I am particularly enjoying Dredd specifically because of him being powerless and loved seeing him relish the chance to shoot at the perp! Cover is great but the tag line makes it greaterer.
And I said at the start that I would pay more attention to Helium and I have and it's great. It makes me thinknI should go bsck and reread Stickleback and Brass Sun with more attention.
Jaegir and Harry are also great; fantastic expressive art on both.
Outlier is great just unfortunste enough to be surrounded by better stuff.
Silly fight. I always find something interesting in Sauchie's close reading and only know of other antics second and third hand. If I see people acting inappropriately elsewhere, I will challenge it out there and try not to bring it in here.
People do change and show remorse over past inappropriate actions. E.g people who did bitchy podcasts hopefully no longer do them, people who started and posted on threads about women in underware (sic) realise it is not "a bit of fun" and move on to champion women (nd people who used to eat meat and dairy no longer do so).
So instead of grimly hanging on to things that wound you up a few years back, why not accept that things might be different now and get on with enjoying your own life.
Well said Tip. Z
Quote from: ZenArcade on 05 August, 2015, 01:24:56 PM
Well said Tip. Z
Against my better judgement, I've agreed to draw a line under this because the consensus mood of the board was at odds with my own feeling on this matter. That's fine. If you want to line up and take a pop at me over a matter I've said I'll say no more about in the interests of board 'harmony', you might want to take a long look at your own motives.
Jim
Quote from: eamonn1961 on 05 August, 2015, 01:40:58 PM
And there's always "just one more thing"?
Hardly. There was a plea to draw a line under the matter. I agreed. I'm not the one now bringing it up again. You'll notice that I'm not saying anything on the matter itself, merely asking people to observe the consensus opinion to let the matter drop.
Jim
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 05 August, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
People who started and posted on threads about women in underware (sic) realise it is not "a bit of fun"
I regret nothing! Apologise for nothing!
Another great prog in a wonderful recent run. Dredd. Is riveting. Great story and artwork to die for. Good to see Barbara hitting the streets. Jaegir again edges Dredd. This is unremittingly grim (just the way I like it). The other 3 stories are readable as well. Z
the cover reminded of Josh Kirby art
Single best thing in the program was the Thrills of the Future - I could read The Order forever.
Best story by a very slim margin was, not intending to be contrary, Outlier. After a saggy week or two of exposition this neat little tale got to the point, and did some much-needed humanising of the two leads in the process. Really impressed with how the story has grown beyond its first outing, and excited to see where it goes next. Not a massively original concept but just very well developed and sustained.
Everyday else was great too.
Absalom maybe ended a bit abruptly but this has been a terrific installment and a good jolt to the status quo. Liked the Dante underoos too. ;)
Jaegir as usual left me thinking 'why has it taken 30 years for someone to a write a proper successor to the original NuEarth run'? Amazingly fresh and compelling, Rennie, Richardson and O'Grady make it look easy.
Helium. Just feck right off Brooker. No-one is that good, it's not natural - he's clearly sold the whole human race out to some extradimensional entity in return for a superhuman sense of colour and design. And I for one am happy with that.
Dredd. Despite my reservations about the story this is a cracking episode, and an endless feast of great images and peerless composition.
Prog is in rude health this weather.
Blimey, autocorrect ate that post alive, apologies.
Quote from: TotalHack on 06 August, 2015, 12:10:25 AM
Blimey, autocorrect ate that post alive, apologies.
This is page 6 of a thread called "Fost----Nixon".
We'll forgive you.
Quote from: Link Prime on 06 August, 2015, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: TotalHack on 06 August, 2015, 12:10:25 AM
Blimey, autocorrect ate that post alive, apologies.
This is page 6 of a thread called "Fost----Nixon".
We'll forgive you.
Yes. The prog tagline had
eight hypens, and a 'more than' sign.
;)
Quote from: sheridan on 06 August, 2015, 12:52:54 PM
Yes. The prog tagline had eight hypens, and a 'more than' sign.
Which coincidentally is the emoji for walking to work because of a tube strike
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 03 August, 2015, 09:46:45 PM
I could mention how one writer was openly slagging off a 2000 AD artist the other day on facebook but I'm sure you'll know who I mean. He also tried to cover it by joking that he suffers from Aspergers, nice!
Yeah, I saw that recently. Venomous stuff, not very nice. I wonder who it was aimed at?
Quote from: Alex on 06 August, 2015, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 03 August, 2015, 09:46:45 PM
I could mention how one writer was openly slagging off a 2000 AD artist the other day on facebook but I'm sure you'll know who I mean. He also tried to cover it by joking that he suffers from Aspergers, nice!
Yeah, I saw that recently. Venomous stuff, not very nice. I wonder who it was aimed at?
Link please!!
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 06 August, 2015, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: Alex on 06 August, 2015, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 03 August, 2015, 09:46:45 PM
I could mention how one writer was openly slagging off a 2000 AD artist the other day on facebook but I'm sure you'll know who I mean. He also tried to cover it by joking that he suffers from Aspergers, nice!
Yeah, I saw that recently. Venomous stuff, not very nice. I wonder who it was aimed at?
Link please!!
I'd isuggest linking to it may not be a very good idea.
There was a line drawn a while ago, remember. Z
Some people weren't here at that point....they may not feel the topic is ready for a line yet.
If the topic is so interesting that people want to continue, perhaps it should slink off into its very own thread, or even back to its native social media , and leave the prog review thread to its own devices.
What a guy Tordel. Z
Quote from: TotalHack on 06 August, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
If the topic is so interesting that people want to continue, perhaps it should slink off into its very own thread, or even back to its native social media , and leave the prog review thread to its own devices.
Very fair comment. I apologise.
I was really looking forward to this week's Prog after last week's absolutely brilliant effort.
I think it was great but not quite at last week's stellar level, except for Dredd which was totally awesome.
Oh and I think another voice in support of Outlier wouldn't go a miss. I really like it - its like an old school tooth thrill but more sophisticated than some of them used to be. And with better art.
Well this Dredd saga might just go down in history as one of the all time greats.
THIS THREAD IS INCREDIBLE, THE WAY IT KEEPS LURCHING FORWARD DESPITE WRECKING BALLS THREATENING TO TOPPLE IT FROM EVERY ANGLE.*
I'm at work, typed that not realizing my caps lock was on, thought briefly about retyping it it, and decided not to.
For what it's worth, I always enjoyed the existence of the "Women's Underware" thread. In danger of putting this thread even more off-topic (adding another wrecking ball), I'd say that it's okay to enjoy lovely women in underware; after all, these women (most of the time) posed for those photos and thus meant them to be seen. IMO telling a lovely womam to cover up when she wants to show off her beauty is kind of...I don't know, Puritanical, and kind of the opposite of women's lib. That said, if any of those women want me to return the favor and send them photos of myself in a comprably undressed state, I'd be happy to do so. Nudity is natural, and who doesn't enjoy being mostly (at least) or all the way nude?
Been reading Dredd: Titan, Fit, New life and Old life up till where we are now. Damn rad read. Tightly written, beautifully drawn. Feels like one of those epics I'll suggest people read if they're interested in getting into Dredd.
So good I more or less feel blessed reading Dredd. Everything from Dredd hitting the atmosphere "... And then he realises he's on fire." in Titan, Dredd sweating over almost executing a kook in New life up to now with the cold in Old life: A marvel of an epic. Great writing, amazing art.
Really hope it'll get collected in HC someday, and a big thank you to everyone involved in making this story happen!
Helium is also great. Amazing looking and imaginative fun!
Hopefully Smiths will have a copy of this, as my sub lapsed. Tomorrow I'll have this and, posty willing, my first re-subbed prog to digest. All the strips are on fire at the mo. ;)
If smiths don't, I'm sure you can still get it on the 2000ad site?? I could be wrong.....
Quote from: Ghost MacRoth on 07 August, 2015, 10:15:38 PM
If smiths don't, I'm sure you can still get it on the 2000ad site?? I could be wrong.....
Indeed, but I'm an impatient bugger!
Read this last night after my return from holiday. The Prog remains on fine form and nice ending to Absalom. One thing though for all the ... stuff... in this thread I missed the Thrill of the Future news - The Order coming back soon - WAYHEY!
GAH!! I'm not sure how this was missed in the Diamond 2000ad august pack for us in America, but I have to wait another 2 weeks to get my replacement Prog 1942 from DCBService.com