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Title: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 June, 2020, 06:34:16 AM
Well we're at the last two vote of round 1 - which for some reason has taken me rather by surprise - but not quite as big a surprise as when this one was pulled out the hat... well okay since there were only four names left in the hat that's not strictly true... and there was no hat it was done online... oh look you get the idea. Our number 2 seed Alan Grant comes up against a writer of what for some is the Zenith of thrill power. What a tie to wrap* this round up with - So thinking only of writing for Tharg, so no Animal Man or Breyfogle Batman folks - writing for Tharg who is your favourite writer -

Alan Grant - http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=ALANG (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=ALANG)

or

Grant Morrison - http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=GRANTM (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=GRANTM)

What is all this nonsense you ask well we're finding out whose 2000ad (Meg and associated items) writing do you prefer? Voting - just add a comment here with whose work you prefer (and anything else you might wish to say to discuss their work). This vote closes some time early Monday 8th June?

Want to know more https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=46461.0 (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=46461.0)

Two more Round 1 votes off start tomorrow**

*Well not actually wrap it up as there's one more to come isn't there...

** Oh and this isn't true either as they'll be no more vote for round one after today.... sigh...
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Rogue Judge on 05 June, 2020, 06:41:56 AM
Thinking only of writing for Tharg...Alan Grant. His contributions to Dredd, Anderson and Strontium Dog are enough for the win.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: broodblik on 05 June, 2020, 07:07:26 AM
I have not forgiven Grant for the Final Solution or Morrison for Big Dave.

Morrison gave us accordingly to my 2 cent worth of an option the best superhero caper in Zenith but Grant gave us the best of times with consistent great Strontium Dog stories and the excellent Anderson tale Shamballa . Grant also scripted the excellent Mazeworld.

So let us give this round to Grant
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: sintec on 05 June, 2020, 07:28:54 AM
Morrison's best stuff is largely post his time with Tharg, with the (admittedly large) exception of Zenith. He also wrote some utter tosh for Tharg Janus Psi Division being a prime example.

Alan Grant on the other hand was instrumental in so many of the series that defined the progs golden age. For Strontium Dog, Anderson, Ace Trucking and a heap of top draw Dredds this one has to go to Alan Grant
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: abelardsnazz on 05 June, 2020, 07:54:46 AM
Alan Grant, for Anderson, Mazeworld, Strontium Dog and his part in all those classic Dredds. A tip of the hat to Morrison for Zenith, but Grant's body of work outweighs it.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Daveycandlish on 05 June, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
Hells teeth this is a tough one!
Alan Grant has a huge body of work. Morrison did one good story - Zenith.
I love and re-read Zenith regularly...

Morrison sneaks it for me (can't believe I'm not going for Alan!  :o)
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 05 June, 2020, 09:13:25 AM
For me, Zenith is as fresh as ever. Only Halo Jones stands up better to constant beguiling rereads.

So Grant Morrison it is.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: robprosser on 05 June, 2020, 09:13:49 AM
Hmmm close one as Zenith is one of my all time favourites but Alan nudges it on sheer quantity.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Bolt-01 on 05 June, 2020, 10:14:29 AM
Alan Grant.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 05 June, 2020, 10:14:57 AM
I have always bloody hated Zenith. It's just Alan Moore's Captain Britain/ Marvelman, written as a sixth form homework to impress a sexy English teacher. I still find it impossible to understand why people like it. Also, Morrison genuinely rubs me up the wrong way every time I read anything about him.

Alan Grant may not be my favourite of the Wagner/ Grant/ Mills triumvirate, but he wins this one based on all those Dredds and Stronts.

So, Alan Grant.

SBT
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 June, 2020, 10:25:17 AM
A few good Future Shocks and Zenith from Morrison cannot counter the rest of his Prog output being crap, nor his actual disdain for Dredd, turning out incoherent pap he said he didn't give a shit about. A lack of respect for the publication you are working for and the readers you're writing for doesn't win anything in my book.

Alan Grant, meanwhile, co-wrote many of the best classic strips in the Prog. Yes, Final Solution still irks — although that was an editorial screw-up as much as anything, and the actual story was pretty good. Grant's had wobbles elsewhere, and his more recent stuff has rarely grabbed me. Even so, Alan Grant for me takes an easy win here.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Tomwe on 05 June, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
As one half of T.B. Grover Alan Grant wins here, even with all Morrison went on to do in the states.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Richard on 05 June, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
Zenith is brilliant, but I agree with IndigoPrime. So Alan Grant for me, for his frankly enormous contribution.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: CalHab on 05 June, 2020, 10:58:17 AM
It's disappointing that, by pitting two fine sons of Alba against each other, a system has once again been rigged to keep Scots out of the later rounds. I'll add this to the long list of our national grievances.

In any case, despite my love for Zenith, Morrison was also partly responsible for the Summer Offensive.

Grant has done more than any writer other than Mills or Wagner to shape the prog, in my opinion. For Anderson alone he wins this one. Grant, with an apology to Morrison.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 June, 2020, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: CalHab on 05 June, 2020, 10:58:17 AM
a system has once again been rigged to keep Scots out of the later rounds. I'll add this to the long list of our national grievances.

Damnit my anti Sottish agenda exposed curse you!
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 June, 2020, 01:30:30 PM
My reasons have all been given better here by others - it's Alan Grant.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Funt Solo on 05 June, 2020, 02:58:07 PM
"I'll sing you a song and it won't take long, or maybe I won't and it will" - Last Lug to Abbo Dabbo, 1982

Alan Grant
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: AlexF on 05 June, 2020, 06:16:46 PM
Alan Grant all day long, obviously for his partnership with Wagner but as a solo writer about half of his Andersons are amongst the most literate scripts the Prog/Meg ever published, and I like some literateness does I.

I am also in that group of readers who loved the Final Solution and couldn't quite get on with Zenith, so not much contest!
(although in the interests of fairness I do think some of Grant's later solo Dredds might actually be less fun to read than Morrison's Dredd monstrosities...)
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Buttonman on 05 June, 2020, 06:21:42 PM
Zenith and Billy Candy apart Morrison can't lace Grant's 2000ad Judge boots. Monavie's finest for me.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Ghost MacRoth on 05 June, 2020, 06:43:02 PM
Despite Zenith being one of the best strips ever to grace the pages of the prog, Morrison has also wrote some utter pap.  So gotta go with Alan Grant for more classic tales than you can shake a daystick at.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Huey2 on 05 June, 2020, 08:26:10 PM
Alan Grant.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: maryanddavid on 06 June, 2020, 01:04:41 AM
Alan Grant.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Colin YNWA on 07 June, 2020, 07:31:59 AM
Last call on this and indeed the first Round1 of the 2000ad writers tourney. This one has been a little more one sided than I expected it to be as both writers have written some fan favourite stuff. Last chance to get a vote that counts as we're wrapping this up in the morning (Monday) early.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: TordelBack on 07 June, 2020, 12:10:19 PM
I really love Zenith, Book 2 in particular, and despite all his sometimes obnoxious quirks I rate Morrison the writer very highly indeed. Conversely,  I find some of Grant's later work heavy-handedily preachy and rather leaden.

But when you come down to net contribution to my enjoyment of the prog,  there really is no contest. Grant has been a key part of so many great strips, his sheer wit and love of language, originality and willingness to try new tacks, his role in collaborating with and supporting others: it can only be Alan Grant.
Title: Re: Round 1: 15 - Alan Grant or Grant Morrison - Ultimate Not Wagner Tourney
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 June, 2020, 06:24:29 AM
VOTING CLOSED - but feel free to add votes and comments but the call is made.

Well here we have it the last two rounds and while this one went the way I expected it wasn't even vaguely as close as I thought it might be. I guess the difference if we have one writer who was working towards their zenith as they gave use Zenith and another who quickly reached their peak as they started and stayed around when they were a top dog dispite their success in the US. This vote goes to

Alan Grant