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General / Re: New Romance* comic from Re...
Last post by Jim_Campbell - Today at 09:51:39 PMQuote from: nxylas on Today at 09:28:47 PMmay not have been the actual word I used.
"Stomm"...?
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General / Re: New Romance* comic from Re...
Last post by nxylas - Today at 09:28:47 PMQuote from: The Monarch on Today at 09:14:50 PMno kidding i look at some of my earlier posts and just cringeWhen somebody put a bunch of old Fantasy Advertisers up online, my first thought was "Oh Grud*, that means my old letters to them are going to resurface".
*=may not have been the actual word I used.
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General / Re: New Romance* comic from Re...
Last post by M.I.K. - Today at 09:27:39 PMQuote from: BPP on Today at 08:52:58 PMFunny, Quick Look at your post history shows you perfectly happy to critique the professional output of thousands of creatives. From 2000ad logo designers, to the makers of torchwood and Star Trek and on...
You even have one expansive set of posts talking about how Tharg slagged of many of his own works and so readers should be allowed to do the same.
Which is of course entirely reasonable.
Jesus... A "quick" look? How far back did you trawl through my posts?
Regardless, critiquing something is an entirely different thing to saying "this thing's crap" then not giving a reason why.
If I remember correctly, (and it was a hell of a while ago), I did not say that readers should be allowed to slag off 2000ad stories, I was making the point that if the readers had seen the same behaviour within the pages of the comic, then it shouldn't be surprising if they acted in the same way.
I'm going to guess that anything I said about Torchwood, (18 years ago, incidentally), stemmed mainly from the extremely questionable elements that rankled with me such as justification of, (a completely unnecessary), suicide, a plot involving a "lovable rogue" main character using what amounted to an alien date rape drug, every main character getting off with every other main character regardless of stated sexual preference or relationship status, and that nonsensical Cyberwoman episode, which seemed to have borrowed every single plot element from Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, (which did it better). But yes, I gave my reasons.
No idea what the hell I could've said about Star Trek unless it was a joke about the original being far superior because somebody with my surname was in charge.
No idea what I could've said about a logo unless it was the original Megazine one being way too big, (which it definitely was).
#4
General / Re: New Romance* comic from Re...
Last post by The Monarch - Today at 09:14:50 PMno kidding i look at some of my earlier posts and just cringe
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General / Re: New Romance* comic from Re...
Last post by Jim_Campbell - Today at 09:07:35 PMQuote from: M.I.K. on Today at 08:14:49 PMeverything about the wording of BPP's comments would still have my back up to precisely the same degree
To be clear: I'm not defending BPP's position here. I disagree with it, but Funt's posts are calculated to be inflammatory and combative and leap to a conclusion that BPP's own words here don't support. A more constructive engagement might have led to the same conclusion but going straight to the most fighty mode helps no one and gets us nowhere. It just puts us in trenches lobbing grenades at each other, and I'm so very, very tired of it.
This is (alledgedly) the "friendliest place on the internet". In my experience, that's not true... but maybe we ought to try a little bit harder to make it that way.
I appreciate the irony of the fact that I, of all people, should be saying this, but none of us is the same person we were five, ten, or twenty years ago. You've got more chance of changing someone's mind by engaging with them than you have by beating them with a stick.*
*Except Nazis, obviously. Find the biggest stick you can for Nazis. That, or shoot them in the nuts.
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Books & Comics / Re: Completely Self-absorbed T...
Last post by Le Fink - Today at 09:05:41 PMHmmm Black Hammer. Is it making the list Colin? I didn't make it past the first series because of the way it went a bit up its own arsehole. The journey up to that point was pretty good. I was wondering about picking it up again as there has been quite a bit more, and it generally reviews well. I need a write-up, Colin!
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General / Re: New Romance* comic from Re...
Last post by BPP - Today at 08:52:58 PMFunny, Quick Look at your post history shows you perfectly happy to critique the professional output of thousands of creatives. From 2000ad logo designers, to the makers of torchwood and Star Trek and on...
You even have one expansive set of posts talking about how Tharg slagged of many of his own works and so readers should be allowed to do the same.
Which is of course entirely reasonable.
You even have one expansive set of posts talking about how Tharg slagged of many of his own works and so readers should be allowed to do the same.
Which is of course entirely reasonable.
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Books & Comics / Re: Completely Self-absorbed T...
Last post by IndigoPrime - Today at 08:40:26 PMThe Muppets omni is a wonderful thing. I love Roger Langridge's stuff. As for the other Thor, I did like her a lot (and her story). It's a lot of the other bits that kind of bored me – all of the war bits. But I might have just had too much of it after trudging through literally hundreds of Marvel comics since the autumn. Sometimes that stuff is a bit like a repeating background on a cartoon. "Oh look: Mysterio back! Again! Yawn."
If nothing else, it really makes you appreciate when people do something different. Or, for that matter, ongoing series like Dredd and Usagi Yojimbo where returning characters are used relatively sparingly.
If nothing else, it really makes you appreciate when people do something different. Or, for that matter, ongoing series like Dredd and Usagi Yojimbo where returning characters are used relatively sparingly.
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Last post by BadlyDrawnKano - Today at 08:17:04 PMI've only read the first volume of Kill Or Be Killed so haven't read the above post, but now even more than before I hope I stumble upon the rest of it as you rate it so highly.
I only read the Strange run earlier this year but really enjoyed it, I've heard complaints that Aaron didn't really capture Strange's personality but as I only know him from the movies it didn't bother me, and I liked how weird and grotesque it got in places. I'd agree with pretty much everything else you say there except that the Jane Foster part of Thor was my favourite, but I really enjoyed all of those series. Well, except for Rocket Raccoon as I didn't know he'd had a solo series, but I'll be adding it to my wishlist now.
I finished the first Gwenpool omnibus this week and thought it was a great deal of fun, but I noticed the fourth trade paperback is out of print and stupidly expensive, which frustrates as I don't really like reading comics digitally. And I was unaware of the Muppets series, but as a big fan I'll definitely check that out now too.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 May, 2024, 11:08:50 AMColin: I've been reading through hundreds of Panini Marvel reprints that cover the 2000s, and figuring out which I want to keep. Turns out, the answer is 'none of them', including the mostly strong Mighty World of Marvel. However, I have used them (and 'temporary' ownership of the first 60 volumes of the original Hachette Marvel collection) to govern some deluxe/omni purchases, most of which are relatively standalone own nature. I really enjoyed:
Doctor Strange (Aaron/Bachalo): quite grim and a divisive run, but one that for me really worked with the gorgeous art and mystical flavour.
Hawkeye (Fraction/Aja): just really smart comics, trying different things and mostly succeeding. I couldn't give two hoots about the character normally, but this just worked. The come down for the following volume was palpable.
Ms. Marvel (G. Willow Wilson): a smart take on the young superhero theme, despite part-way through getting caught in the end of the universe BS Marvel pulled around the time. I'm not keen on what they've done with the character more recently, but those early volumes were great.
Rocket Raccoon (Young): I mean, it's Skottie Young, even if he's just writing. I picked this up as two little HCs. Fun.
She-Hulk (Slott): A solid modern run that doesn't take itself too seriously, and that has interesting enough ideas and stories to keep the momentum going.
Silver Surfer (Slott/Allread): Basically an excuse to do Marvel Doctor Who. The omni recently got a reissue and so should still be in print. Personally, I'm no major fan of that format, but I had to have this one complete and in print. It's a lovely run.
Thor: The God Butcher (Aaron/Ribic): So I remember reading the Aaron run when I first subscribed to the Panini Marvel Legends series and liking it a lot. On re-reading it, I ended up buying just The God Butcher (deluxe, which also includes Godbomb) rather than the entire run, because that was the most impactful. What followed didn't quite do it for me, despite the uptick when the new Thor arrives.
Vision (King): A genuine surprise when I originally read this, and one I had to own. A great exploration that goes deep into what it means to belong, and the difficulties within a 'realistic' world of superpowers. Alas, I did not get on with DC equivalent Mister Miracle.
(On Marvel, I also of course have Langridge's Muppets, which is as close to The Muppet Show as it's possible to get in comic form. And I've also enjoyed but haven't yet fully read the Gwenpool omni.)
I only read the Strange run earlier this year but really enjoyed it, I've heard complaints that Aaron didn't really capture Strange's personality but as I only know him from the movies it didn't bother me, and I liked how weird and grotesque it got in places. I'd agree with pretty much everything else you say there except that the Jane Foster part of Thor was my favourite, but I really enjoyed all of those series. Well, except for Rocket Raccoon as I didn't know he'd had a solo series, but I'll be adding it to my wishlist now.
Quote(On Marvel, I also of course have Langridge's Muppets, which is as close to The Muppet Show as it's possible to get in comic form. And I've also enjoyed but haven't yet fully read the Gwenpool omni.)
I finished the first Gwenpool omnibus this week and thought it was a great deal of fun, but I noticed the fourth trade paperback is out of print and stupidly expensive, which frustrates as I don't really like reading comics digitally. And I was unaware of the Muppets series, but as a big fan I'll definitely check that out now too.
#10
General / Re: New Romance* comic from Re...
Last post by M.I.K. - Today at 08:14:49 PMOkay... Devil's advocate mode...
It seems obvious to me that Funt wasn't intending to be deliberately misleading and was merely conveying the impression he got from BPP's initial post, (and made the effort to make it very clear that's what he was doing), but in retrospect I can totally understand how it could be misinterpreted by someone not entirely paying attention. So, yes, quotation box probably not best idea.
For the record, even if every creator involved with this were male, everything about the wording of BPP's comments would still have my back up to precisely the same degree and it's not the first time I've taken issue with somebody on here claiming that someone "can't draw" simply because they don't like their art style, (which seems particularly wrong-headed in this case, now that I've googled the names of the creators I was unfamiliar with).
It seems obvious to me that Funt wasn't intending to be deliberately misleading and was merely conveying the impression he got from BPP's initial post, (and made the effort to make it very clear that's what he was doing), but in retrospect I can totally understand how it could be misinterpreted by someone not entirely paying attention. So, yes, quotation box probably not best idea.
For the record, even if every creator involved with this were male, everything about the wording of BPP's comments would still have my back up to precisely the same degree and it's not the first time I've taken issue with somebody on here claiming that someone "can't draw" simply because they don't like their art style, (which seems particularly wrong-headed in this case, now that I've googled the names of the creators I was unfamiliar with).