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Title: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 28 December, 2011, 11:39:18 AM

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.com/2011/12/dredd-vs-big-two.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 December, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
Wow, never seen that before - was it ever actually used?

Love the fact that Howard the Duck gets a prominent place!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 28 December, 2011, 02:17:02 PM
Lovely image by the two Dredd greats. This was used as the centre page splash in a Fanzine in the late 70's, (i forget which one, though).
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: BPP on 28 December, 2011, 02:31:17 PM
brilliant. Just when you think you have seen it all in relation to old 2000ad stuff....

love the blog mr robocook, many thanks for keeping us up to date with it here too.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Emperor on 28 December, 2011, 03:15:26 PM
Good stuff.

Didn't someone (probably that Wells chappie) get a commission with Dredd killing off a bunch of capes?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 28 December, 2011, 03:31:13 PM
(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/097/f/a/who__s_next_by_kevlev-d3dfsfz.jpg)

Bang. It was the amazing Kev Levell - and from the look of the block it was our Burdis!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: John Caliber on 02 January, 2012, 09:51:07 AM
Ah, that's the realisation of a long-held dream ... to see Dredd consign those spandex nancys to the scrapheap. I never believed Batman could hold his own against Dredd for ten seconds in those crossover comics. What a happy start to the New Year  :lol:
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Zarjazzer on 02 January, 2012, 10:50:07 AM
Great image. :)  Unlikely this would have got the go ahead though. Shame really I'd have bought it!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Leigh S on 02 January, 2012, 11:47:14 AM
I beleive this image comes from the 1978 UK comic convention booklet
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: John Caliber on 02 January, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
You know, I wouldn't mind reading a Howard the Duck/Dredd team-up....
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Grant Goggans on 02 January, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
There shouldn't be a Howard/Dredd team-up so long as Steve Gerber remains dead.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: John Caliber on 02 January, 2012, 05:35:08 PM
Ah, true enough. I had forgotten about Gerber's passing.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 06 January, 2012, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 02 January, 2012, 11:47:14 AM
I beleive this image comes from the 1978 UK comic convention booklet

Yes, thats the one. I know it had been printed in some kind of Fanzine, though the title of which escaped me until you posted. Quite rare to get hold of now, but it sometimes finds its way onto E-Bay. From January '78, i believe.

(http://i.imgur.com/NlxPX.jpg)   (http://i.imgur.com/0F4nY.jpg)

I doubt it was ever intended to be an offical image in anyway, though its certainly not alone in its use of mixing 2000ad with Marvel and DC characters.

(http://i.imgur.com/WTS22.jpg)

Perhaps the Cursed Earth controversy put a stop to this *ahem* relaxed attitude to copyright? Anyways, a brilliant image none the less.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 10 January, 2012, 10:26:11 PM

With regard to it being an official ad, Alan McKenzie says...

Over on Bleeding Cool I commented on their report of this item "...this was a paid-for message by IPC. It occupied the centrespread of the 1978 UK Comicon booklet, which I edited. The cover was a Frank Bellamy cowboy. Brian Bolland also did all the colour separations for the book."

Though it was worth repeating here ...

Alan McKenzie

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.com/2011/12/dredd-vs-big-two.html?showComment=1326181799698#c5237351234812265785
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: vzzbux on 14 January, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
When Another World opened in Leicester (Now taken over by Forbidden Planet) they had some brilliant design's on their bags. I wish I had kept them. They were all in a similar vein to the Forbidden Planet one above.





V
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 21 January, 2012, 12:05:59 PM

There's a beautiful unseen sketch by Brian Bolland on here today if anyone's interested.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: maryanddavid on 21 January, 2012, 12:55:03 PM
Lovely stuff, such detail and only a rough.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 25 March, 2012, 01:11:31 PM

Gibson's Robo-Hunter!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/sam-knows-score.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 10 April, 2012, 09:38:48 AM

Classic Ezquerra...
:D
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/death-to-empire.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 10 April, 2012, 10:26:16 AM
Lovely stuff.  The Ezquerra Stainless Steel Rat covers are all fantastic, now I come to think of it.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 15 April, 2012, 09:11:26 AM

Ace Trucking...  ;)

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/any-space-any-time.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 15 April, 2012, 09:26:34 AM
Fantastic - I always liked that one... I have a page from the Prog before that, with Kleggs bursting out of sacks and GBH putting the smackdown on 'em.  Interestingly, the first Ace Trucking cover was hand coloured (on the original art rather than just with an overlay, I mean).
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Judge MANSON on 17 April, 2012, 09:23:36 PM
How I love the glorious black and white first image of this topic!!!

Citizen of Mega-City One, every super-pukes will be arrested and ex-traded to the penal colony on Titan.
Any attempt to escape this order will be hereby sentenced by death with immediate execution. Thank you for your understanding.


Control, prepare the meat-wagons. Grud.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 21 April, 2012, 09:06:55 AM

:o Vintage Kev O'Neill if anyone's interested...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/earth-side-eddie-and-anti-matter-kids.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 April, 2012, 06:45:41 PM
Quote from: robocook on 21 April, 2012, 09:06:55 AM

:o Vintage Kev O'Neill if anyone's interested...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/earth-side-eddie-and-anti-matter-kids.html

How could we not be!

Don't say this often enough (or at all before in fact!) but thanks for this wonderful Blog.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 21 April, 2012, 08:00:34 PM

Glad you like it!  ;)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 24 April, 2012, 08:55:43 AM

Dredd by Cam Kennedy...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/this-week-26-years-ago.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 24 April, 2012, 09:12:55 AM
Fantastic stuff, Steve.  Another one of my favourite stories.  Flip Marlowe always was one of my favourite throwaway characters; I posted a comment with a link to the page I have from this.  On the subject of Cam, did you dig up that Warlord cover yet?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 24 April, 2012, 01:38:24 PM

What Warlord cover?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 24 April, 2012, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: robocook on 24 April, 2012, 01:38:24 PM

What Warlord cover?

Prog 452.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 25 April, 2012, 12:29:09 AM

No, sorry, but I don't remember seeing that one. I don't think I have it.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 29 April, 2012, 10:28:16 AM

More Ace Trucking...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/stab-in-dark.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 05 May, 2012, 12:03:42 PM

Early, early, early Thrills...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/top-thrill-mach-1.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 05 May, 2012, 12:33:24 PM
Early thrills indeed, lovely stuff though! That cover always made me chuckle -  its such a fib!
Ahh, if only Mach 1 had  fought Nazi Zombies in that issue,  :D
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Greg M. on 05 May, 2012, 12:45:57 PM
That's what I was thinking - if he'd done more of that, he'd probably still be in the prog today. A hell of a cheekily misleading tagline though.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 22 May, 2012, 07:25:43 AM

;) Ian Gibson - Robo-Hunter...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/robo-assassins.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 27 May, 2012, 08:46:30 AM

Classic Brett Ewins anybody?

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/another-for-squaxx-dek-thargos.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 27 May, 2012, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: robocook on 27 May, 2012, 08:46:30 AM

Classic Brett Ewins anybody?

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/another-for-squaxx-dek-thargos.html

Well, if you're offering... And I'm happy to cover postage!  ;)

Fantastic stuff.  Again; thanks for sharing these.  Keep 'em coming, Steve.

These pieces really need to be compiled in a book - the quality of these is stunning and the art deserves to be shown off.  I still can't get over the difference between the production art and the print versions I'm so used to.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 May, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
Yeah hoping the Dredd covers book does something like that, showing these pieces in all their vivid glory.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 27 May, 2012, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 27 May, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
Yeah hoping the Dredd covers book does something like that, showing these pieces in all their vivid glory.

Well it should.  But I don't think it will, unfortunately.  Hope I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 28 May, 2012, 08:07:08 PM

I've seen the pdf of cover choices for that actually. Was asked to chose and comment on my favourite. I chose a Bolland.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 28 May, 2012, 08:15:48 PM
Were you asked in your capacity as art editorial droid or in a 'can we have a shufty at your production art collection to make sure we get the best possible quality in the book' way..?

I'll definitely pick the book up, but it'd be a crying shame not to see it take advantage of your Thrill Cupboard.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 29 May, 2012, 01:09:44 PM

Just as art droid, I guess. No mention of my collection.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 29 May, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
Aw, crap.  I'd be surprised if existing colour reproductions come anywhere close to the quality available from your collection, at least for the majority of earlier stuff.  Black and white is less of an issue I guess; the old Titan collections usually had decent B&W repros of covers, anyway.

So, Steve - book deal for your art collection, or a dedicated wing of the Tate?

It deserves proper appreciation, anyway.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 29 May, 2012, 11:26:14 PM

Actually I was asked just after your question and my answer, but I don't have the ones featured in the book anyway - except for one, which is probably going to stick out like a sore thumb. There are ways to make the bog-paper covers look good, but it would take time.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 31 May, 2012, 08:15:44 AM

Destiny's Angels - First episode in living colour!
Script: John Wagner/Alan Grant, Artist: Carlos Ezquerra

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/destinys-angels.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 09 June, 2012, 08:38:15 AM

Mike McMahon - Dredd...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/i-think-i-smell-rat.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 09 June, 2012, 10:42:01 AM
Bloody brilliant that,  :thumbsup:
Keep 'em coming Mr Robo.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 09 June, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
Roger Wilco!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 15 June, 2012, 06:47:05 AM

If you like Ian Gibson's art, you'll probably like this...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/heavy-metal-attack.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 15 June, 2012, 07:35:18 AM
Quote from: robocook on 15 June, 2012, 06:47:05 AMIf you like Ian Gibson's art, you'll probably like this...

I do and I do!  Great stuff, as always, Steve.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 23 June, 2012, 08:29:15 AM

There'll be a double dose of vintage production art thrills today. Carlos Ezquerra and Kev O'Neill.

Interesado?

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 23 June, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
Nice Ezquerra piece, Steve, although for me, Carlos' Fink never quite matched the skeletal menace delivered by McMahon.

Meanwhile, I'm quietly pondering what O'Neill you dug up...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 23 June, 2012, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: ming on 23 June, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
Meanwhile, I'm quietly pondering what O'Neill you dug up...

Very nice, too!  Pretty much every O'Neill cover's a classic but his Nemesis ones are the best of all.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 June, 2012, 03:59:38 PM
Wow the colours on that first Nemesis cover are incredible. The printed version doesn't get close.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 24 June, 2012, 12:31:28 PM
 
More...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/this-heres-hijack.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 June, 2012, 12:34:18 PM
Wouldn't know it was Ezquerra without his gritty lines.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 June, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
Thats fascinating when compared to the final product, linkie here if ya fancy

http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=284&Comic=2000ad (http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=284&Comic=2000ad)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 June, 2012, 04:57:49 PM
Sorry double post but my modify has gone. Anyway nice article based on Mr Cook's stuff over at Bleedingcool

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/24/steve-cooks-secret-2000ad-cover-archives/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/24/steve-cooks-secret-2000ad-cover-archives/)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 24 June, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
Thanks for posting that link, Colin.  Those side-by-side comparisons make the case for some kind of quality publication based around these blindingly obvious.

I'm still a bit gutted that Tharg missed a trick and didn't include some of these in the forthcoming Dredd covers book, really.

Still, we're lucky that Steve rescued 'em from the bins, and even luckier that actually we get to see the cover art as it could have looked with decent reproduction.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 June, 2012, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: ming on 24 June, 2012, 05:10:17 PM

I'm still a bit gutted that Tharg missed a trick and didn't include some of these in the forthcoming Dredd covers book, really.


Yeah you gotta hope that that book has this level of reproduction. It really gives a different perspective on the images. A general covers books (as SBT has been championing for a long time) would be a delight, if they looked like these.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 30 June, 2012, 12:13:35 PM
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/no-gun-no-chance.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 30 June, 2012, 12:34:46 PM
Always nice to see more of these, Steve.

On the subject of the Dredd covers book, I got this from the Tweet Droid: "The book uses our original films, the odd scan, and a couple of Steve's films where ours are missing." 

Good to see some use of the Thrill Cupboard is being made, but I'd still love to see a wider 2000AD (rather than just Dredd) covers collection including scans from the full-colour production art; the difference between what Steve's been posting and the bog-paper versions is phenomenal, after all.  I can see why a Dredd book probably makes more financial sense with the upcoming film, but with so many other classic 2000AD characters and covers, it'd be great to see a broader-based collection.

Anyway, now back to Steve's blog!

:)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 30 June, 2012, 01:30:54 PM
Talking of Steve's blog (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/dredd-vs-big-two.html), and thanks to David's comment on there, i see the original art for this

(http://i.imgur.com/dAT5t.png)

popped up on the Heritage Auction site recently.

(http://i.imgur.com/zipYU.jpg)

Sold quite cheaply for a Bolland piece (about £1,300), but i can breath a sigh of relief on missing out that it was even up for sale, because Mick's Dredd is a stat and not original, ;-)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 04 July, 2012, 06:16:03 PM



http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/breakout-on-block-666.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 05 July, 2012, 09:06:32 AM

The Biz!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/biz-does-fashion.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 07 July, 2012, 11:55:44 AM

More Biz, Cam Kennedy, etc, etc, etc...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/biz-does-fashion-pt2.html


http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/talk.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 07 July, 2012, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: robocook on 07 July, 2012, 11:55:44 AM

More Biz, Cam Kennedy, etc, etc, etc...


Biz and Jim Baikie, you mean (unless this is a Barney error).

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=342
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 07 July, 2012, 01:31:47 PM
Not again!
Ive only just got my head around the last lot of 'mistaken identity' art. Just what is it, with Cam Kennedy?  ;)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 07 July, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 07 July, 2012, 01:31:47 PM
Not again!
Ive only just got my head around the last lot of 'mistaken identity' art. Just what is it, with Cam Kennedy?  ;)

Tharg wanted some artists to draw like Cam Kennedy and Cam Kennedy to draw like Mick McMahon, presumably  :lol:

I'd always assumed that was a Cam cover, but having looked at it, it's subtly different in terms of style so I developed a niggling doubt over it.  I can ask Cam about it; maybe he provided a pencil version that was inked by Jim Baikie... Either that or Tharg just wanted consistent art on the cover and the interior Dredd story (which was by Cam).  The latter would fit with what Cam told me about the Slaine covers he was asked to do in a McMahon-style, anyway.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 07 July, 2012, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: ming on 07 July, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 07 July, 2012, 01:31:47 PM
Not again!
Ive only just got my head around the last lot of 'mistaken identity' art. Just what is it, with Cam Kennedy?  ;)

Tharg wanted some artists to draw like Cam Kennedy and Cam Kennedy to draw like Mick McMahon, presumably  :lol:

I'd always assumed that was a Cam cover, but having looked at it, it's subtly different in terms of style so I developed a niggling doubt over it.  I can ask Cam about it; maybe he provided a pencil version that was inked by Jim Baikie... Either that or Tharg just wanted consistent art on the cover and the interior Dredd story (which was by Cam).  The latter would fit with what Cam told me about the Slaine covers he was asked to do in a McMahon-style, anyway.

That's truly mental. The version of Dredd in "C Kennedy"'s interior art for The Suspect is a little off-model compared to his later work on the character, so I'd just assumed that the variations on the cover image were a result of the same process of the artist finding his feet on a character he hadn't really drawn before.

Looking at that cover, though; the face of Henders (Kennedy's own creation) looks off too. The inking technique is spot on Kennedy; so if that is Baikie, he deserves credit for an even better burlesquing of his fellow Orcadian than Cam managed with McMahon.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 07 July, 2012, 03:49:27 PM
Well I've asked Cam for clarification so I guess sooner or later we'll find out what the story is.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 10 July, 2012, 02:10:43 PM
Just heard from Cam, and that cover is indeed one of his.  Good to know! :)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 10 July, 2012, 04:40:05 PM
Nice one, David. 
That cover just screams Cam Kennedy, but once something is pointed out, and queried............,  :D
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 10 July, 2012, 07:26:10 PM

Thanks, David!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 14 July, 2012, 08:52:54 AM

A McMahon Dredd here...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/britains-no1-sci-fi-hero.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 14 July, 2012, 09:33:44 AM
Ahh, now were talking! Perhaps my all time favourite cover by Mick. Great stuff!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 21 July, 2012, 11:44:33 AM

2000AD production art from Prog #294, 11th December 1982. Artists: Carlos Ezquerra and Ian Gibson

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 21 July, 2012, 02:46:32 PM
Very nice, as always, Steve.  Once again, thanks for digging these out and sharing 'em.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 21 July, 2012, 04:58:52 PM
Thanks for the link, Steve. Following it also led to me seeing your post with that fantastic Brendan McCarthy Dredd artwork you hand-tinted, which has always been a favourite of mine- despite the fact I've only ever seen it in the version you re-worked for the cover of Best Of 2000ad Monthly.

Does anyone know in which prog that artwork was originally published? And was it originally reproduced in colour or black and white? I seem to remember it being used inside another reprint title as b/w line art:

THE NEW(ish) MCCARTHYISM (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o_gygN_GYZE/UAp9yhWvY7I/AAAAAAAAEu0/_X0945rftB4/s1600/O_2000PAD.jpg)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 21 July, 2012, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: bikini kill on 21 July, 2012, 04:58:52 PM...despite the fact I've only ever seen it in the version you re-worked for the cover of Best Of 2000ad Monthly.

Does anyone know in which prog that artwork was originally published? And was it originally reproduced in colour or black and white? I seem to remember it being used inside another reprint title as b/w line art:

I can only remember it being on the cover of that Best of 2000AD issue...  Nothing else pops up in Barney (usually pretty reliable).  Not sure if this was reproduced in any other publications; maybe one of the Titan reprints?  Nothing springs to mind, though.

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=reprint&page=profiles&choice=BO2K49
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 21 July, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
I wish there was an edit function...

Anyway, having another look I noticed that the date of the artwork is 1984 and the BOK issue is from 1989, so it either got published some years earlier (I still don't remember it) or it just lay around for a few years before being used.

The latter suggestion may be given some weight by the McCarthy cover for BOK 246; again published in 1989 but the art is from 1983 and is another one I don't recall seeing elsewhere.

http://www.2000ad.org/covers/reprints/hires/BO2K46.jpg


Hopefully someone with better brain-function than I have today will come along to clarify soon.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 21 July, 2012, 06:14:00 PM
Gah - switch the the 1984 and 1983 on those two...  Nyaarrrrggghhh....
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 21 July, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: ming on 21 July, 2012, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: bikini kill on 21 July, 2012, 04:58:52 PM...despite the fact I've only ever seen it in the version you re-worked for the cover of Best Of 2000ad Monthly.

Does anyone know in which prog that artwork was originally published? And was it originally reproduced in colour or black and white? I seem to remember it being used inside another reprint title as b/w line art:

I can only remember it being on the cover of that Best of 2000AD issue...  Nothing else pops up in Barney (usually pretty reliable).  Not sure if this was reproduced in any other publications; maybe one of the Titan reprints?  Nothing springs to mind, though.

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=reprint&page=profiles&choice=BO2K49

Was pretty sure id seen this before, though my recollection was that it was a B&W interior pin-up, but a quick look through my back issues reveals it was in fact the coloured back cover to prog 327.
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Post by: ming on 21 July, 2012, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 21 July, 2012, 06:21:13 PMWas pretty sure id seen this before, though my recollection was that it was a B&W interior pin-up, but a quick look through my back issues reveals it was in fact the coloured back cover to prog 327.

Good work, Iain!  I knew there'd be someone competent around here.

:D
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Post by: ming on 21 July, 2012, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: ming on 21 July, 2012, 06:12:40 PM...the McCarthy cover for BOK 246; again published in 1989 but the art is from 1983 and is another one I don't recall seeing elsewhere.

http://www.2000ad.org/covers/reprints/hires/BO2K46.jpg

Finally!  Pin-up from Prog 397 (colour).

Barney seems to be missing a few Star-Scan / pin-up credits... (I know Cam only has one listed).
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Post by: Spikes on 21 July, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
No probs, David!

Back in the day i was probably a bit sniffy about this, thinking as i did then, that it was just somebody aping McMahon's style, but you live and learn! its all kinds of loveliness isnt it.

(http://i.imgur.com/I5sEx.jpg)

Wouldnt mind one of those sketch books - they do look great. E-Bay scouting it is, then.
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Post by: Frank on 21 July, 2012, 07:49:35 PM
Thanks for the diligence, Ian; thanks for the laugh, David. My desultory and entirely opportunistic efforts at filling in back issues that I don't have end around 200 and don't pick up again until around 380, so I've never seen that issue in the flesh. Thanks again for your hard work.
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Post by: robocook on 28 July, 2012, 08:37:21 AM

Judge Dwedd!


http://secret-oranges.blogspot.fr/2012/07/judge-dwedd.html
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Post by: Frank on 28 July, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: robocook on 28 July, 2012, 08:37:21 AM
Judge Dwedd!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.fr/2012/07/judge-dwedd.html

Sorry to hear about the missile batteries, but the colour on that cover is extraordinary. I always thought the colour in the pre-litho days was produced using colour separations, but that's clearly hand-painted. Would that have been done by Gibson or Tom Frame?
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Post by: robocook on 28 July, 2012, 04:08:09 PM

I have it on good authority that all of these covers were painted by Tom, back in the day.
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Post by: robocook on 04 August, 2012, 05:39:38 AM

A Dave Gibbons cover...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.de/2012/08/2000ad-star-lord.html
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Post by: robocook on 10 August, 2012, 07:32:52 AM

Crime Swoop!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.nl/2012/08/crime-swoop.html
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Post by: robocook on 18 August, 2012, 09:21:07 AM

BOLLAND.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/bolland-does-dredd.html
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Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 August, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
Quote from: robocook on 18 August, 2012, 09:21:07 AM

BOLLAND.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/bolland-does-dredd.html

Wow a better example of how the true colours really make a difference I'd struggle to imagine. The intensity of the blacks in contrast with the explosion really make that pop... well pop rather understates it!
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Post by: robocook on 18 August, 2012, 01:29:40 PM

But more importantly, what about Barbi Benton?   :)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 August, 2012, 02:22:36 PM
Quote from: robocook on 18 August, 2012, 01:29:40 PM

But more importantly, what about Barbi Benton?   :)

Am I going to expose a vast lack of cool if I admit to being lost there???

Having just done a quick search on previous unknown Ms. Benton I feel I really should have known more about her!
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Post by: Frank on 18 August, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 18 August, 2012, 02:22:36 PM
Having just done a quick search on previous unknown Ms. Benton I feel I really should have known more about her!

Had to google that too, and I have to agree that the contrasting colours really make those pop (http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m80ioiPW4a1qc2p2qo1_500.jpg). Thanks for posting the Bolland image, Steve, and if it's not an awkward question, [spoiler]is the stuff you're posting taken from the original repro film, or is this actual artwork that you managed to liberate from the Nerve Centre? And if that's an impolitic question, I'd be grateful if some helpful mod could remove it on my behalf[/spoiler].
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Post by: Spikes on 18 August, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Very nice, as is Ms Benton.

I know you was asking Robocook about these covers Bikini Kill, but these are production art, so not actual original artwork.
Im sure Robocook can expand on this further.
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Post by: robocook on 18 August, 2012, 05:41:03 PM

Yes, Line art is printed black on the acetate overlay and blue (which doesn't repro) on the base. The original art of these is the colour paint which is applied to the blue line. Acetate is then placed on top for repro.
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Post by: robocook on 18 August, 2012, 05:42:54 PM

I have a strange feeling that Ms Benton will make further appearances.
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Post by: Frank on 19 August, 2012, 08:42:49 AM
Quote from: robocook on 18 August, 2012, 05:41:03 PM
Yes, Line art is printed black on the acetate overlay and blue (which doesn't repro) on the base. The original art of these is the colour paint which is applied to the blue line. Acetate is then placed on top for repro

Thanks (both of you) for your replies; it's good to know someone preserved this stuff for posterity.

Steve, at the risk of being a nuisance, have you ever thought of doing something similar to David Bishop's Thrill-Power Overload? That was a publishing history of the comic, but I'd be incredibly interested in something that traced the development of the art, reproduction and design history of 2000ad; from black and white line art printed on bog paper, with a hand-drawn logo and dodgy type-setting, to full colour art with a bespoke typeface that's drawn, assembled and read digitally.

You're doing a lot of the groundwork necessary for such a project already, and it'd make a great feature in The Megazine, especially if Kev O'Neil and Robin Smith were involved.
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Post by: robocook on 19 August, 2012, 09:58:15 AM

Not a nuisance in any way. I have already discussed such a project with Rian Hughes, seeing as we've both designed a few comics over the years. I can't imagine it would need to be restricted solely to 2000AD though.
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Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2012, 04:24:37 PM
That would be a very interesting read be great if you and Rian could get that done.
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Post by: robocook on 22 August, 2012, 11:56:40 AM

Bolland again.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/bolland-does-dredd-2.html
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Post by: Spikes on 25 August, 2012, 03:44:22 PM
Very nice as always, Steve.
I seem to recall somebody had the original art for this up on the CAF website, but i cant seem to find it at the moment.

Anyway back to more pressing matters -  no Barbi Benton updates this week?  ;)

Having a bit of a nosey around your Blog its nice to see the Oh Wicked Wanda piece. Just sublime (and mucky) art from the great Ron Embleton.
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Post by: robocook on 30 August, 2012, 04:34:18 PM

There's far more Barbi now! :)
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Post by: robocook on 02 September, 2012, 10:18:18 AM

There have been a few 2000AD related posts this week.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/
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Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 September, 2012, 10:45:31 AM
That Monkey Business (well ape but I'll not let one of my personnel bugbears spoil the fun) cover is one of my favourites, its chuffin' wonderful. Also very nice to be reminded if that fantastic Shaky Kane Doom Patrol cover.
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Post by: Spikes on 02 September, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
Thats another cracker, Steve. Always nice to see these, especially the McMahon ones.

Oh and by the way, i notice you recieved a thank you in the art of Judge Dredd covers book, can you say which covers you helped out with?
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Post by: robocook on 02 September, 2012, 07:05:50 PM

Y'know, I can't actually remember which ones. I'll wait 'til I get a copy and remind myself. It wasn't many though, most of the wanted issues weren't ones that I had in my collection. Having said that, I still keep finding stuff that I'd forgotten all about.
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Post by: robocook on 15 September, 2012, 10:34:39 AM

McMahon / Dredd

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/mcmahon-dredd.html
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Post by: robocook on 29 September, 2012, 03:34:09 PM

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/tharg-judge-diggle.html

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/prog-300.html
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Post by: Spikes on 29 September, 2012, 04:24:00 PM
Interesting to see these, Steve!
Books like Thrill-Power Overload would have benefited from behind-the-scenes stuff like this.
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Post by: robocook on 29 September, 2012, 06:14:11 PM

Thanks! I've got plenty more...
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Post by: robocook on 06 October, 2012, 09:53:25 AM

Bubba Better Beat It!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/bubba-better-beat-it.html
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Post by: robocook on 13 October, 2012, 09:37:01 AM

A couple of 2000AD gems if you can be arsed! :)

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/nemesis-vs-torquemada.html

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/zenith-2.html
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Post by: maryanddavid on 13 October, 2012, 09:57:38 AM
That Masterman one is brilliant.
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Post by: Frank on 13 October, 2012, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: robocook on 13 October, 2012, 09:37:01 AM
A couple of 2000AD gems if you can be arsed! :) http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/nemesis-vs-torquemada.html

I can always be arsed, Steve. Fnar. Speaking of filth, there's just something really perverted about everything O'Neill's ever drawn, isn't there? The idea of a spiral staircase winding its way up to someone's arse, and of that being the object of monumental statuary is just ... troubling and very subversive, when you consider the purpose and typical subjects of such commemoration in our own time. Maybe the Comic Code had a point.

The way architecture, furniture, vehicles and the supporting cast of characters all seem to take on the physical characteristics and design aesthetic of the two major protagonists really emphasises the way Torquemada and Nemesis were the physical embodiment of two conflicting ideologies, two entire civilisations, and of two inimicable world views. Brilliant, brilliant stuff Steve. Thanks so much for sharing the treasures of your hoard.
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Post by: robocook on 13 October, 2012, 12:01:50 PM

You are very welcome! Good comments. Feel free to post stuff like that on the blog if you like, it's good to get comments up there. Thanks!
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Post by: Mabs on 13 October, 2012, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 28 December, 2011, 03:31:13 PM
(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/097/f/a/who__s_next_by_kevlev-d3dfsfz.jpg)

Bang. It was the amazing Kev Levell - and from the look of the block it was our Burdis!

That is drokkin' AWESOME! :D
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Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 October, 2012, 09:36:58 PM
I'm so happy you've shown the cover to Prog 239, if I was ever forced to pick my favourite ever cover it'd be this one. Bloody love it.
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Post by: robocook on 21 October, 2012, 12:08:38 PM

The first appearance of Ace Trucking Co.

Here...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/new-thrill-ace-trucking-co.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 21 October, 2012, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: robocook on 21 October, 2012, 12:08:38 PM

The first appearance of Ace Trucking Co. http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/new-thrill-ace-trucking-co.html

You can tell that strip was created specially to cater to Belardinelli's strengths and enthusiasms. That cover's a distillation of the technology of his work on Dan Dare and the odd character design of his Meltdown Man and Slaine strips. Thanks for posting, Steve.

I saw the post you made yesterday on Rian Hughes (LINK (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/are-you-ready.html)). Now he's got his Cult-ure book (http://www.cult-ure.net/) published, any chance of you two working on the book you were thinking about doing together, which you said might feature your decades of work on 2000ad and other Fleetway titles? Since Tom Frame's sad passing you must be the person who's spent most time in the Nerve Centre, and no-one's better able to tell the design history of the comic than yourself. They're knocking out The Art of Judge Dredd for £50, you know.
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Post by: Spikes on 21 October, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: robocook on 21 October, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
The first appearance of Ace Trucking Co.

Ah, the memories of reading this strip (along with the space truckers dictionary!) for the first time.
Massimo's art could be an acquired taste at times, but suited this strip perfectly. Just brilliant stuff, Steve!
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Post by: robocook on 21 October, 2012, 02:21:28 PM

Thanks, folks - glad you like!

I'll have a little chat with Rian about that - though, of course it won't be an instant outcome.
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Post by: robocook on 04 November, 2012, 05:12:38 PM

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/return-to-armageddon.html
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Post by: robocook on 11 November, 2012, 11:33:38 AM

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/early-hewlett-2.html

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-power-and-gory.html
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Post by: Frank on 11 November, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: robocook on 11 November, 2012, 11:33:38 AM

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/early-hewlett-2.html

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-power-and-gory.html

Cheers, Steve. Does the big 'R' initial on the catalogue stamp (Slaine cover) denote Robin Smith or Robocook? If I've got my history correct, this would have been round about the time Robin was clearing his desk and you were coming aboard. Also, have you seen the Valiant and One-eyed Jack book Mary and David have put together (it has its own thread). There's a feature on all 2000ad's early art editors, and the logo design, etc
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Post by: Spikes on 11 November, 2012, 02:35:50 PM
Great to see these, as always, Steve. Especially the Return To Armageddon cover by the superb Redondo.
Havent read that strip in years, so i think its high time i did!
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Post by: robocook on 12 November, 2012, 12:27:07 AM
"Does the big 'R' initial on the catalogue stamp (Slaine cover) denote Robin Smith or Robocook?"

I reckon that was Robin, it's quite a few progs before my time.
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Post by: robocook on 12 November, 2012, 12:35:21 AM

Valiant and One-eyed Jack - sounds interesting, but I can't find the thread you mention...
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Post by: Frank on 12 November, 2012, 07:27:08 AM
Quote from: robocook on 12 November, 2012, 12:35:21 AM

Valiant and One-eyed Jack - sounds interesting, but I can't find the thread you mention...

I forgot nternet rule number one, a link in every post: http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,37410.msg725004.html#msg725004 (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,37410.msg725004.html#msg725004)

Sections of it sound a lot like the the look at the changing design of 2000ad I've been pestering you to get round to producing ...
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Post by: robocook on 12 November, 2012, 07:32:54 AM

Thanks!
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Post by: robocook on 24 November, 2012, 09:15:57 AM

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/demolition-derby.html

etc, etc...
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Post by: maryanddavid on 24 November, 2012, 09:42:55 AM
Thats great, the detail he manages to cram in, no blank space on his page.
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Post by: Frank on 24 November, 2012, 10:23:44 AM
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/demolition-derby.html (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/demolition-derby.html)

Cheers, Steve. That's a pretty good illustration of why I think Ron Smith was the perfect artist for that period of Dredd. Artists like Kev O'Neill and Ian Gibson were great at selling the comedy and outrageous exaggerations of situations like that shown above, while Bolland and Steve Dillon were absolutely fantastic at selling the reality of the city and the character. Every week, Ron Smith's clean and expressive style managed to walk a line between those two poles, providing a consistency and clarity that allowed the reader to understand that there was absolutely no contradiction between MC1 being the kind of place where Blockmania happened and the kind of place where Citizen Snork happened.
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Post by: Spikes on 24 November, 2012, 10:52:27 AM
Perhaps not the most striking, or best, of covers - always bugged me when they included space-taking-up stuff like that Future Flight offer, but always a treat to see Ron's work.
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Post by: robocook on 08 December, 2012, 10:50:57 AM

More Ron!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-hotdog-run.html
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Post by: Spikes on 08 December, 2012, 11:48:24 AM
Oh yes. That'll do,  :thumbsup:
One of my fave (amongst many!) Ron Smith Dredd stories.

Has anyone asked before Steve but what size are these? Same size as the prog, or larger?
I know original art is mahoosive compared to the printed page.
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Post by: robocook on 08 December, 2012, 02:22:21 PM

S/S - Same size!
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Post by: robocook on 23 December, 2012, 12:15:33 PM

More classic 2000AD production art by the inimitable Kev O'Neill...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-alien-pit.html
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Post by: maryanddavid on 24 December, 2012, 12:33:40 AM
Great stuff, colours by Frame again? Was Tom Frame part of the staff at IPC or was he freelance?
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Post by: robocook on 24 December, 2012, 05:59:19 PM

Not sure if it was Tom, but most likely. I didn't mention him on this one as it may have been Kev. Tom was always a freelancer.
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Post by: robocook on 25 December, 2012, 12:33:08 PM

Wishing you a...
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/a-thrill-powered-christmas.html
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Post by: robocook on 01 January, 2013, 09:35:18 AM

Dave Gibbons - New Year 1981
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/in-orbit-1981.html
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Post by: maryanddavid on 01 January, 2013, 11:40:56 AM
They are great Steve, Thanks for posting. I love how 2000ad did random covers, like that Gibbons, The McMahon wraparound scene from the war and Belardinelli wraparound with giant scaceships come to mind too.
Great stuff as usual.
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Post by: ming on 01 January, 2013, 01:00:18 PM
Yeah, thanks again for keeping up the drip-feed of classic Thrill-Power last year, Steve.  The covers, sketches and photos are a real treat and much appreciated by a lot of people, I'm sure (not to mention the rest of the blog, which throws up a huge amount of interesting stuff).

Looking forward to seeing what falls out of the Thrill-Cupboard in 2013!
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Post by: Spikes on 01 January, 2013, 02:04:04 PM
Aye, Great to see these covers, as well as all the other stuff on your Blog. Lovely stuff Steve, keep 'em coming!
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Post by: robocook on 01 January, 2013, 02:44:37 PM

Thanks, everyone - and a Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 01 January, 2013, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: robocook on 01 January, 2013, 09:35:18 AM

Dave Gibbons - New Year 1981
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/in-orbit-1981.html

"Hot pink at present". Thanks for that and all the other fascinating stuff you've flung our way over the last twelve months, Steve. I don't know how I managed to live this long without coming across Barbi Benton before.
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Post by: robocook on 02 January, 2013, 02:17:22 PM

Haha! - Yeah, BB gets a few hits on there. I'll see if I have more of her...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 02 January, 2013, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: robocook on 02 January, 2013, 02:17:22 PM

Haha! - Yeah, BB gets a few hits on there.

Those Vampirella (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/vampirella-2.html) pics arent too shabby, either  ;)

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Post by: robocook on 03 January, 2013, 12:46:59 PM

Okay, so I'm getting the vibe that glamour on the blog is generally acceptable, so I'll continue in that manner...   ;)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Link Prime on 03 January, 2013, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 02 January, 2013, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: robocook on 02 January, 2013, 02:17:22 PM

Haha! - Yeah, BB gets a few hits on there.

Those Vampirella (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/vampirella-2.html) pics arent too shabby, either  ;)

Jayses...!
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Post by: ming on 08 January, 2013, 11:33:43 AM
Steve's latest blast of Thrill-Power: classic Gibbons Rogue Trooper. Lovely stuff.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.no/2013/01/your-gateway-to-future.html
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Post by: robocook on 14 January, 2013, 08:57:16 AM

Thanks, David!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 17 January, 2013, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: robocook on 14 January, 2013, 08:57:16 AM

Thanks, David!

You're welcome!

A couple more of Steve's recent 2K-related posts here (Bisley Slaine):
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.no/2013/01/the-digital-cupboard-1-slaine.html

..and here (Belardinelli Ace Trucking cover):
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.no/2013/01/uckpuckers-plucked.html
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Post by: robocook on 23 January, 2013, 09:03:18 AM

Classic Cam Kennedy -

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/the-long-long-arm-of-law.html
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Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 January, 2013, 09:54:28 AM
Quote from: robocook on 23 January, 2013, 09:03:18 AM

Classic Cam Kennedy -


It is indeed, though is there any other kind!
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Post by: ming on 23 January, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
What Colin said.  Such a striking image; Cam on very fine form.
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Post by: Spikes on 23 January, 2013, 11:41:07 AM
Just recently been re-reading the Warlord strip, Steve.
Lovely stuff!

A quick question (one ive asked before, but had no joy with) - So who, or what was 'Euroman comics'? Ive seen it pasted onto a lot of original art before. Was it a shop/collector who sold original art back in the day?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 23 January, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 23 January, 2013, 11:41:07 AMA quick question (one ive asked before, but had no joy with) - So who, or what was 'Euroman comics'? Ive seen it pasted onto a lot of original art before. Was it a shop/collector who sold original art back in the day?

I always assumed it was something related to the printing / publication process.
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Post by: Spikes on 23 January, 2013, 01:04:41 PM
Id never thought of that! That could well be the answer.
Always thought it was a seller's name/shop, for some reason.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 27 January, 2013, 04:15:52 PM

Yes, I think it was to do with the reproduction house.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 02 February, 2013, 09:48:43 AM

Today's 2000AD production art is for Prog #465, 12th April, 1986. Cover art by Cam Kennedy. Colours by Tom Frame.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/flab-fever.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 02 February, 2013, 10:05:07 AM
TTTT!  Another corker, Steve.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 02 February, 2013, 10:13:09 AM

Grooooooooooooooovy!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 02 February, 2013, 11:37:45 AM
Nice!  And I didn't know that Tom Frame did colouring.  The man was even more awesome than I realised.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 02 February, 2013, 03:38:42 PM
A smashing cover, and the colours by Tom are especially nice on this one!
Good stuff, Steve - as always.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 02 February, 2013, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: robocook on 02 February, 2013, 09:48:43 AM

Today's 2000AD production art is for Prog #465, 12th April, 1986. Cover art by Cam Kennedy. Colours by Tom Frame. http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/flab-fever.html

I mutilated the progs to get those Cam Kennedy Tony Tubbs covers on my wall, nobody made MC1 and the sometimes incredibly silly stuff that went on in it seem more solid and real. I can't believe how much more vivid the colours look in the production art too. Cheers again, Steve.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: maryanddavid on 02 February, 2013, 10:34:09 PM
More great stuff, cheers Steve
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 09 February, 2013, 09:05:04 AM

No problem!

Actually, this Dave Gibbons one is worth checking out...
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-digital-cupboard-rogue-trooper-by.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 09 February, 2013, 11:18:09 AM
Very nice to see this, in all its glory Steve. Loved that Rogue Trooper action special.
Dave coloured the first Rogue episode for it, didnt he. It would be glorious if he would re-do all his strips like that, and for a oversized collection to be released.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Zarjazzer on 09 February, 2013, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: robocook on 09 February, 2013, 09:05:04 AM

No problem!

Actually, this Dave Gibbons one is worth checking out...
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-digital-cupboard-rogue-trooper-by.html

Dang! That's so fine.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 10 February, 2013, 08:41:30 AM

As a follow-up, Rogue Trooper by Colin Wilson...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/rogue-trooper-by-colin-wilson.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 10 February, 2013, 09:22:54 AM
That's beautiful, and almost Pop Art. Cheers, Steve.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 10 February, 2013, 09:58:24 AM
Yeah, that's lovely - and far more striking now than when it was first published, I think.  Maybe my old eyes can just appreciate it better.  Anyway, as I just commented, no-one does future tech better than Colin Wilson.  Or Westerns, for that matter!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 10 February, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: ming on 10 February, 2013, 09:58:24 AM
Yeah, that's lovely - and far more striking now than when it was first published, I think.  Maybe my old eyes can just appreciate it better. 

Aye, that's what's struck me about getting the opportunity to see this production art too. I'm assuming that Tom Frame was compensating for the way the bog paper on which 2000ad was printed just sucked up and dulled the impact of colour. I was always impressed that 2000ad seemed to use a more subtle and subdued palette than the four color horrors from across the Atlantic, but it seems like that might have been a by-product of the production process, rather than an aesthetic choice or indication of greater sophistication.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 17 February, 2013, 10:20:59 AM

Death to the Norms!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/mutant-army-on-march.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 17 February, 2013, 12:43:19 PM
Ha! A glorious cover. And highlights one of the best things about Stronty; Carlos' depiction of Mutants.
Unique is the word that springs to mind.
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Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 February, 2013, 01:46:42 PM
That's fantastic and a little weird. When I look at these its normally quite how vivid the colours are compared to the final Prog bog paper finished product that strikes me. In this case its how clean and bright the white is that stands out.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 17 February, 2013, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 17 February, 2013, 01:46:42 PM
That's fantastic and a little weird. When I look at these its normally quite how vivid the colours are compared to the final Prog bog paper finished product that strikes me. In this case its how clean and bright the white is that stands out.

I don't own the original issue, but the colours look exactly like those on the cover of the tattered second hand copy of the 2000ad Monthly in which I first read that story. Usually, as Colin points out, the colours on these bits of production art are much more intense than the printed product - maybe the glossy paper on which the covers of the monthlies were printed offered greater fidelity.

Thanks for such a timely posting, Steve - those muties are still revolting in the current prog.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 23 February, 2013, 09:47:17 AM

You're welcome!

Here's one from this week 32 years ago - yikes!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/assassination-run.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 23 February, 2013, 09:59:32 AM
Always really loved Ian's work on Dredd from this period. His best time on the strip?
(Been lucky enough to have snagged a original art page of his, from the Stookie Glanders story - a personal fave).

But 32 years ago, you say? Gulp..
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 23 February, 2013, 11:26:02 AM
It's interesting to see how much Gibson was using not just McMahon's redesign/development of the judge uniform and the city as his entry point back into a strip which had changed almost beyond recognition in the time since he had last drawn an episode, but manages to imbibe McMahon's scratchy inking style and distressed aesthetic too. The characters' faces, the hover vehicle, and the composition are recognisably Gibson's own; but the helmet flash, the chunky figures, even the big boots evoke Mick McMahon.

I remember being conflicted about the way Henry Flint was obviously using McMahon's back catalogue (i) to give his own sophomore work an easy visual fluency, since it seemed like more of the trading on nostalgia for past glories which was evident in the prog at the time. Looking at Flint's work in the last decade, it's clear to see that he was using McMahon's art in exactly the same way Gibson did - as a means of understanding the character and the strip, and as a stepping stone to his own original, influential and instantly recognisable take on the material.

Thanks for posting, Steve.


(i) particularly the old annual colour strips
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 09 March, 2013, 09:23:21 AM

Carlos Ezquerra - Strontium Dog...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/hang-ya-high.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 16 March, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
A nice piece of Kev O'Neill artwork today...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/young-nemesis.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 16 March, 2013, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: robocook on 16 March, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
A nice piece of Kev O'Neill artwork today ... http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/young-nemesis.html

Ooh, that is just revolting! The tortured anatomy, the pubic hair and warts, even the bits of what are supposed to be humans look distorted and degenerate - classic O'Neill. I love how he creates an entire landscape and understandable environment from what's essentially a Rorschach blot running horizontally across the page. 

Am I right in thinking that this was coloured by O'Neill himself, Steve? The violent contrast of the palette seems radically different to that of Tom Frame, and O'Neill choosing to colour the recently republished Eagle editions of Nemesis suggests he saw that as an important part of the process.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 16 March, 2013, 12:05:53 PM
I believe it was coloured by Kev. Judging by the colour mark-ups too. It looks like his handwriting, though I could be wrong. I cropped that off for better impact of the image itself. I have an idea this was originally in one of the progs when Kev was art director, hence the mark-ups. Stickers relating to 'Best-of 2000AD' are on the back of the artwork and could have been added later because the handwriting is clearly different.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 16 March, 2013, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: robocook on 16 March, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
A nice piece of Kev O'Neill artwork today...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/young-nemesis.html


No other comic, anywhere, could touch the prog - or come even remotely close, during this period, could they?
I do sometimes ponder just what exactly went into the makeup of this generation of artists.
The stars were most definitely aligned for several birth dates, i think.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 23 March, 2013, 12:13:09 PM

Classic Cam Kennedy!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/the-seven-samurai.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 March, 2013, 02:22:17 PM
Ah man I love that story. After 'The Big Sleep' this is the Cam Kennedy story I'd most like a page from... well a man can dream!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 23 March, 2013, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: robocook on 16 March, 2013, 12:05:53 PM
I believe it was coloured by Kev. Judging by the colour mark-ups too. It looks like his handwriting, though I could be wrong. I cropped that off for better impact of the image itself. I have an idea this was originally in one of the progs when Kev was art director, hence the mark-ups. Stickers relating to 'Best-of 2000AD' are on the back of the artwork and could have been added later because the handwriting is clearly different.

Cheers, Steve - I completely missed your polite and very thorough response to my drooling fan inquiry last week.

Cam brings such a weight and solidity to the more fanciful stuff he illustrates that even when his images tend toward abstraction, the strength of his composition holds everything together beautifully. Much of what makes that page work so well is the uniformity of the repeated pattern created by the brushstrokes which only indicate the armour, and the stark lines and kinetic sweep of Shojan's kimono, which trail off into the negative space which actually makes up more than half of what appears to be a bustling and detailed page. 

I don't think any other artist in the history of 2000ad has such an innate understanding of how the simple placement of lines on a flat page creates dynamic, three dimensional, moving images in the mind of the reader. I've just spent about ten minutes letting the artful construction of that image bounce my eye around the page and marveling at how the quality which makes one figure or texture work is entirely dependent on its relation to another part of the picture for its effect.  That's not just great comic art, that's great art - thanks very much for posting, Steve.

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Post by: robocook on 23 March, 2013, 05:28:42 PM

Nicely put!

It would be great to have this comment next to the post on the blog. Have you thought about that?

Also, I just noticed you've got exactly 1977 posts - a good year!

Steve
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 23 March, 2013, 07:50:06 PM

Cheers, Steve, will do. Since your post, I've tumbled headlong through time (like Gil Gerard) to the year of Adam Ant, the Yorkshire Ripper and Dangermouse.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 24 March, 2013, 10:22:30 AM

Haha! Well you might want to check this too...

Purple wigs, silver mini-skirts and Gabrielle Drake! Gerry Anderson's UFO.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/the-far-flung-future-of-1980-pt2.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 24 March, 2013, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: robocook on 24 March, 2013, 10:22:30 AM
Purple wigs, silver mini-skirts and Gabrielle Drake! Gerry Anderson's UFO.

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/the-far-flung-future-of-1980-pt2.html

Brilliant! I'm with Tomlinson on the aesthetics overcoming the logical underpinning of UFO - if the cast of Prometheus had been wearing lamé underwear the film would never have attracted so much nitpicking. Your site's a treasure trove for fantastic images from the Avengers/Anderson/Batman/Barbarella axis which taught my eyes what beauty was in the cultural desert of the eighties. That axis includes your transformation of the prog into something that was a pleasure to look at as well as read, Steve.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 24 March, 2013, 01:12:04 PM

Nice to get good feedback - Thanks!

I was never truly pleased with the logo 'til I drew the one at the top left of this page. Glad they still use it.

Mentioned it here a while ago...
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/555-alive.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 24 March, 2013, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: robocook on 24 March, 2013, 01:12:04 PM
I was never truly pleased with the logo 'til I drew the one at the top left of this page. Glad they still use it. Mentioned it here a while ago ... http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/555-alive.html

Cheers, Steve; I'd had a root around Secret Oranges to see if you'd written on the subject of your design work for Fleetway as well - my research skills are crap. I drew a connection between what you were doing and the way Neville Brody was influencing style mags at that time (i), so it's interesting to discover that Nova was uppermost in your thoughts. And it's fascinating to discover that prog 622 wasn't the only time you drew Dredd for the cover of the prog; strong Cam Kennedy influence there:

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/555-alive.html (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/555-alive.html)


(i)  especially with the typography in the late eighties/early nineties specials
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: I, Cosh on 26 March, 2013, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 23 March, 2013, 05:00:45 PM
I don't think any other artist [than Cam Kennedy] in the history of 2000ad has such an innate understanding of how the simple placement of lines on a flat page creates dynamic, three dimensional, moving images in the mind of the reader. I've just spent about ten minutes letting the artful construction of that image bounce my eye around the page and marveling at how the quality which makes one figure or texture work is entirely dependent on its relation to another part of the picture for its effect.  That's not just great comic art, that's great art - thanks very much for posting, Steve.
Some years back, Jim Campbell made this great post breaking down the way the illusion of movement is created in one of Cam's Rogue Trooper pages. I think it was in contrast to the stiffness evident in some of the newer artists' work at the time but that's not really relevant. I'd try to find it but I can't.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 March, 2013, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 March, 2013, 01:58:53 PM
I'd try to find it but I can't.

Very kind of you to mention it. It was this (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,26974.msg502959.html#msg502959) post.

Cheers!

Jim
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 26 March, 2013, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 March, 2013, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 March, 2013, 01:58:53 PM
Some years back, Jim Campbell made this great post breaking down the way the illusion of movement is created in one of Cam's Rogue Trooper pages. I think it was in contrast to the stiffness evident in some of the newer artists' work at the time but that's not really relevant. I'd try to find it but I can't.

Very kind of you to mention it. It was this (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,26974.msg502959.html#msg502959) post.

Cheers, Jim. Like Yoda and Socrates, you are old, but learned.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 26 March, 2013, 07:42:18 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 March, 2013, 02:24:27 PM
It was this (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,26974.msg502959.html#msg502959) post.

That's a simply superb panel - a real favourite, and show's you all you need to know about Cam's style.
(Ming has the original art for this, as shown in that post - jammy bugger!)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 30 March, 2013, 08:27:33 AM

Calling all artists!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/calling-all-artists.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 31 March, 2013, 10:02:43 AM

Ace Trucking!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/when-going-gets-tough.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 07 April, 2013, 09:35:55 AM

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/fiend-power.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 07 April, 2013, 10:57:28 AM
Despite that story being set in the familiar milieu of the battlefield, which Ezquerra was comfortable working in from his Battle days, he really had to reinvent almost everything about his work to capture the atmosphere of that strip. The lines and textures in that cover are so different from the work we'd seen from him at that point, although I suppose the guignol of Kostanza & Co has some precedent in the Strontium Dog story Journey Into Hell (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-S0pJKk90SUE/Tf5s8IozjHI/AAAAAAAAJvs/aMNewEn3yFY/s1600/030.jpg). Thanks for posting, Steve.
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Post by: Spikes on 07 April, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
A very memorable cover that. Cheers for posting, Steve.
I dont know if this has been discussed before, but was this strip originally destined for another comic?
On the face of it you'd think it wouldnt 'fit' into the prog - though i love the strip from the get go.
Carlos always seemed very much at home drawing WW2 stuff.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: glassstanley on 07 April, 2013, 09:06:00 PM
Why had the text been covered over on the Fiends art? Has it ever been used with different text in the speech balloon?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 20 April, 2013, 08:33:59 AM

'Fraid I don't know the answer to that one. It was before my time.

Meanwhile Mean Arena by Dave Gibbons

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/mean-arena.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 20 April, 2013, 10:15:20 AM
I loved that story, and I don't even have the excuse of being ten when I read it, since I only came across it after buying the back issues of a pal at secondary school who'd discovered the delights of drinking White Lightning cider and screwing shell-suited girls underneath the swings in the local park.

There's something really appealing about the way Gibbon's figures look like burnished Silver Age characters, inexplicably torn from the pages of a sixties Marvel comic and dropped into the milieu of dilapidated tenement housing and hair-netted housewives which was the drab default setting during that period for any British comic story which wasn't about the second world war. The Slayers' matches could have been taking place in Pat Mills's fictional amalgam of Northpool or the Dundee/Anywhere construct of Dennis the Menace's home town.

Which, I suppose, reflected how the strip (and 2000ad in general) was seeking to disrupt and transform the stuffiness, complacency and morbidity that had afflicted British boys comics in that period by introducing what were perceived at the time as subversive American influences (Tallon was a Yank), such as excitement, colour and glamour. Once again, the colours on that art seem so much more vivid (and lurid) than the copy I have; there must have been a real art to laying down hues that would achieve the desired effect once they'd gone through the primitive printing process, and onto crappy paper. Thanks for posting, Steve.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 20 April, 2013, 11:35:16 AM

Love it!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 20 April, 2013, 01:22:24 PM
Good stuff, Steve. Mean Arena was a fave of mine, as well - and needs digging out for a re-read, at some point.
The prog was firing on all cylinders, around this period.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 05 May, 2013, 09:20:29 AM

More Dave Gibbons art for your delectation!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/super-charged-sci-fi.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: judgefloyd on 05 May, 2013, 09:50:42 AM
I only came here to sell some progs, but all that Gibbons art is lovely.

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 05 May, 2013, 12:06:29 PM
Jesus! I wouldn't worry about not being able to locate the other sheet for that one, Steve, it works even better without colour obscuring the great line work. I can see the economic argument for recolouring those old strips for the North American market, but that artwork demonstrates how the different styles developed by artists like Gibbons, Bolland, McMahon and Kennedy during that era were specifically designed to work in monochrome.

Thanks for posting, Steve.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 18 May, 2013, 06:16:06 PM

Erm... Ian Gibson - Ace Trucking...
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/the-great-mush-rush.html?showComment=1368897278605
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 19 May, 2013, 01:31:49 PM

The Power of Random!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/the-power-of-random.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 30 May, 2013, 08:46:17 PM

Shaky Kane!!!

Cowboys and Insects!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/the-house-of-kane.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 30 May, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Loving that latest post, Steve.  Boxes of frogs have a saying involving Shaky, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 30 May, 2013, 09:12:19 PM

Cheers!  :D Glad to hear!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 01 June, 2013, 11:37:16 AM

Ian Gibson...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/return-to-armageddon.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 12 June, 2013, 08:48:10 AM

2000AD from 1979...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/monsters-and-magic.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 12 June, 2013, 10:05:25 AM
Scrotnig, Steve.  I loved Massimo's work on Black Hawk - he delivered some stunning art and some of my favourite alien character designs (especially Batak and Beezelbub*).




* Never named in the story itself, but featured in the text story in the 1982 Annual.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Spikes on 12 June, 2013, 04:32:43 PM
My birthday prog,  ;)
Good stuff from Massimo, and Disney's The Black Hole reviewed. Loved that film at the time....
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 15 June, 2013, 11:02:04 AM

Old school Ezquerra from 1979!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/tharg-terrorises-london.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 22 June, 2013, 10:41:25 PM

Lulu Romanov invites you to join the Cadre Infernale . . .

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/lulu-romanov-invites-you-to-join-cadre.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 23 June, 2013, 12:34:37 PM

Lots of Lulu Romanov posts...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Link Prime on 23 June, 2013, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: robocook on 23 June, 2013, 12:34:37 PM

Lots of Lulu Romanov posts...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/

Brilliant Steve!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 29 June, 2013, 10:26:13 AM

A Rogue Trooper beauty by Colin Wilson!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/jailbreak-at-glasshouse-g.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 29 June, 2013, 11:34:54 AM
Now that looks incredible.  It's a cover I always liked a lot (it's Colin Wilson, why wouldn't I?) but it looks incredibly good there...  As always, thanks for putting these on view, Steve!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 29 June, 2013, 11:57:36 AM

You're very welcome. It's a good'un isn't it!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 05 July, 2013, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: robocook on 29 June, 2013, 10:26:13 AM

A Rogue Trooper beauty by Colin Wilson!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/jailbreak-at-glasshouse-g.html

Just a heads-up for anyone that might be interested; that latest post has been updated by Steve with some words from Colin Wilson.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 05 July, 2013, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: ming on 05 July, 2013, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: robocook on 29 June, 2013, 10:26:13 AM
A Rogue Trooper beauty by Colin Wilson!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/jailbreak-at-glasshouse-g.html

Just a heads-up for anyone that might be interested; that latest post has been updated by Steve with some words from Colin Wilson.

Colin Wilson's insecure about his artistic ability?

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Steve Green on 05 July, 2013, 05:38:59 PM
"Print me like one of your French covers, Jack"

Love Colin Wilson's work...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 05 July, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 05 July, 2013, 05:12:09 PM

Colin Wilson's insecure about his artistic ability?

That's how people stay good at what they do!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 06 July, 2013, 11:47:01 AM

Carlos Ezquerra! ABC Warriors! Vintage Action!

All in Saturday's Soaraway Secret Oranges!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/beastie-bother.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 06 July, 2013, 02:51:50 PM

Mind well and truly blown. I always assumed those old covers and centre spreads were put together using colour separations until I saw your blog, but I'd got used to the idea of them being painted colour applied to reproductions of the line artwork (with a separate overlay of the line art on top). Am I right in thinking that's poster paint applied to the rear of the black line acetate overlay? If so, it's incredible the colour bodger who produced that cover managed to stay inside the lines while painting directly onto acetate. It's amazing how the addition of the black line flattens the colour and obscures the texture of the paint too.

That's a fascinating and invaluable insight; cheers for sharing, Steve.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 06 July, 2013, 03:54:59 PM

certainly looks like poster paint!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 20 July, 2013, 09:00:21 AM

Cam Kennedy and the Future War Fiasco...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/future-war-fiasco.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 July, 2013, 10:02:58 AM
One thing I love about that cover, which is probably not a good thing, is the fact you have all those troops running into deadly conflicit and it looks like Rogue's telling the reader all about fruit gums and a free poster!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 20 July, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
Quote from: robocook on 20 July, 2013, 09:00:21 AM
Cam Kennedy and the Future War Fiasco...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/future-war-fiasco.html

The secret of Fruit Gums is that Fruit Pastilles taste the same but don't pull your teeth out when you chew them. That cover's a great example of how so much of Cam Kennedy's great work on Rogue Trooper relied on the interplay of abstract shapes for its effect, like the dynamic explosions and white blast effects there, the repetition of the ovals in Rogue's helmet, or those incredible suns with rays emanating from them which dominated the composition of Kennedy's Nu-Earth landscapes.

All of which reminded me of the Kirby-esque visual language of cosmic apocalypse Edmund Bagwell's been employing in The Ten Seconders (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/07/a-brief-chat-with-edmund-bagwell-about-the-ten-seconders/) this week.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 28 July, 2013, 09:11:53 AM

A multi-themed 2000 AD cover...
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/robotsfuture-warmonstersblack-holes.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Frank on 28 July, 2013, 09:48:18 AM

You should definitely feel free to pimp this here (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Sophie%27s%20World) nearer the time of the exhibition, Steve:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIXF3T2EZNRiHdXyVD5rEfVH4ALuBSMWPODdFjhlhIe2Pw9wAr)

I remember the spoof Face cover the Megazine ran around the time of Necropolis and thinking it was odd that Sophie Aldred appeared to be the model. Then I found out the editor, David Bishop, was a big Dr Who fanboy and it all made sense. I didn't realise you worked for Dr Who magazine (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/watch-this-space-time.html) too.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 28 July, 2013, 10:03:19 AM

Thanks! Didn't know if there was a crossover or not.
Feel free to spread the word!

Yes, I worked on Doctor Who magazine when I was at Marvel UK, but because I was also a freelance photographer I did a fair bit of photography on set which is where I met Sophie. We were doing a few photo sessions for fun around the time I was at 2000AD, and you're right about David being a Who fan, which is how the Megazine cover came about.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 02 August, 2013, 08:38:33 AM

Kev O'Neill fans may well appreciate this...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/largin-it-74.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 02 August, 2013, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: robocook on 02 August, 2013, 08:38:33 AM

Kev O'Neill fans may well appreciate this...

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/largin-it-74.html

Glorious!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 10 August, 2013, 02:09:17 PM

Lardin' it!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/lardin-it-76.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 10 August, 2013, 03:45:52 PM
Loving these close-ups, Steve - really worth spending the extra time spent revisiting these!

Also great to see this cover used for the recent Fatties collection; did Rebellion use your production art for that (I guess so, and hope to see more use made of your archive).

The original art for this cover is with me these days: http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=986617

:)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Steve Green on 10 August, 2013, 05:15:31 PM
Gorgeous - one of my fave Dredd stories by Cam.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 11 August, 2013, 12:02:27 AM

I haven't seen that, David. I don't recall giving them a scan of it, but then my memory is not as it used to be... I think...

Good to see you have the art!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 11 August, 2013, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: robocook on 11 August, 2013, 12:02:27 AM

I haven't seen that, David. I don't recall giving them a scan of it, but then my memory is not as it used to be... I think...

Good to see you have the art!

Here it is...

http://imgur.com/jOaQwb9
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 11 August, 2013, 09:41:45 AM
D'Oh!  Or even...

(http://imgur.com/jOaQwb9)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 11 August, 2013, 09:46:59 AM

Thanks, David! Looks to me like they've re-coloured it digitally. They probably still had the black film of the original. These were usually kept in the archives.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 13 August, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: robocook on 11 August, 2013, 09:46:59 AM

Thanks, David! Looks to me like they've re-coloured it digitally. They probably still had the black film of the original. These were usually kept in the archives.

Yeah, looking again at the Fatties cover, it does just look like it's been re-coloured.  The hand-painted production art version looks a lot better, really; a shame no-one thought to approach you to use this but there y'go.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 20 August, 2013, 08:34:37 AM
I've got to kill you, Scott!  If I don't, Lamrox will enslave the galaxy!

Another of Steve Cook's 2000AD-related 'largin' it' posts:
http://secret-oranges.blogspot.no/2013/08/largin-it-79.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 24 August, 2013, 03:12:35 PM

Dredd by Trevor Hairsine

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/the-digital-cupboard-dredd.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 27 August, 2013, 09:06:29 AM

Judge Anderson by Arthur Ranson

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/judge-anderson-shamballa.html
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Post by: sheldipez on 27 August, 2013, 09:10:09 AM
Quote from: robocook on 27 August, 2013, 09:06:29 AM

Judge Anderson by Arthur Ranson

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/judge-anderson-shamballa.html

Love that image!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 31 August, 2013, 10:53:29 AM

Classic Dredd, Classic Carlos!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/lawmaster-vs-rad-sweeper.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 31 August, 2013, 11:28:42 AM
So much good stuff on your blog, Steve. In fact, I only spotted this Halo Jones curiosity (http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/the-digital-cupboard-halo-jones.html) because it was thumbnailed at the bottom of your latest Carlos post...!

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 August, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
Quote from: robocook on 31 August, 2013, 10:53:29 AM

Classic Dredd, Classic Carlos!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/lawmaster-vs-rad-sweeper.html

Classic sound FX - PZZOOO!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 31 August, 2013, 02:23:19 PM

The joy of thumbnails.
Cheers, Jim!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: ming on 06 September, 2013, 09:10:20 AM
Definitely worth a look:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/05/sophie-aldred-as-judge-dredd-and-more/

See also: http://www.orbitalcomics.com/sophies-world-the-unseen-photographs-by-steve-cook-2/
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 14 September, 2013, 12:34:40 PM

Classic Ian Gibson A/W!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/sam-slade-hangs-loose.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Mardroid on 14 September, 2013, 12:45:01 PM
Quote from: ming on 06 September, 2013, 09:10:20 AM
Definitely worth a look:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/05/sophie-aldred-as-judge-dredd-and-more/

I remember her as Ace, although I didn't watch much Doctor Who back then. I didn't recognise her in that first picture though. It's not just the hair (although that's a large part of it). Her whole expression makes her look like a different woman!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 14 September, 2013, 12:51:08 PM

That's called acting!  ;)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 September, 2013, 01:37:22 PM
Quote from: robocook on 14 September, 2013, 12:34:40 PM

Classic Ian Gibson A/W!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/sam-slade-hangs-loose.html


That's the first prog I bought. Lovely.

Any chance you have the production art for prog#169's double-spread?

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/169.jpg)

Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 September, 2013, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 14 September, 2013, 01:37:22 PM

That's the first prog I bought. Lovely.

Any chance you have the production art for prog#169's double-spread?

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/169.jpg)

My brother got in trouble in trouble for backing his maths book in that cover... I know no ones cares but its always been something I remember...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 14 September, 2013, 04:28:34 PM

Sorry, I don't have that one for sure.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 28 September, 2013, 10:25:11 AM

Nemesis!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/nemesis.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: robocook on 06 October, 2013, 11:23:32 AM

Anderson!

http://secret-oranges.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/london-film-comic-con-2013.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd vs. The Big Two!
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 06 October, 2013, 11:46:28 AM
And if you scroll down, Judge Death!