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Books & Comics / Re: Bargains/deals thread (?)
« on: 09 June, 2021, 09:19:53 AM »
I like the way the company honours lowest price during the pre-order period. But it’s zero for three for me and HC pre-orders of late, and so I’m done with anything remotely limited in nature. The latest Amazon fuck-up was Usagi Saga 9 limited edition. Fortunately, when initial distribution issues surrounding that volume became clear, I made a ‘panic’ second pre-order a while back with Speedyhen, who did deliver. And, yes, Amazon cannot control distribution, but its sheer size means it should have buying power and secure orders if you pre-order on day one. That it doesn’t showcases a preference for ‘agility’ and ‘just in time’ over people actually getting the books they ordered.

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Off Topic / Re: RIPs
« on: 07 June, 2021, 11:28:52 PM »
Our wee dog turned 15 last month. So on the basis of that saying, he must be a VERY good dog!

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 03 June, 2021, 06:51:16 PM »
Armoured Gideon is almost the only thing left on my wish list. I’d love to see it. It’s such a fun strip and the robot design is fantastic.

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 02 June, 2021, 05:36:47 PM »
The biggest I think we’ve had in this partwork is Lobster Random. Not sure how many pages that has, mind.

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Prog / Re: Prog 2233:Regened - Ready to face the law?
« on: 26 May, 2021, 07:06:28 PM »
Mm. It’s hard to know where Dept K is going or where it wants to be. I’d assumed Black Science meets Dreddworld was on the cards, with the crew hopping dimensions and having adventures. Instead, it appears that all happened off-panel, between issues and they’re now back in MC-1. The previous episode was intriguing. This one felt like it was blazing back towards the status quo. I guess we’ll see over the coming weeks how it resolves and where it heads.

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Prog / Re: Prog 2233:Regened - Ready to face the law?
« on: 26 May, 2021, 05:10:47 PM »
Yeah, with this issue in particular, I can’t see the problem. Dredd would be a perfectly reasonable flashback in the standard Prog. The Future Shock would sit fine in there too. Pandora is a bit of an oddball, but we’ve had other humour strips throughout 2000 AD’s history in the standard Prog. The difference is that most of them weren’t this good. Anderson was a bit flat for me (although far from the worst Anderson I’ve ever read). Dept K is gearing up for the main Prog anyway.

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Prog / Re: Prog 2233:Regened - Ready to face the law?
« on: 24 May, 2021, 09:50:45 PM »
Strong enough as a Prog, if a mixed bag for me.

Great cover and solid Dredd. Probably the best Cadet Dredd so far. Anderson didn’t click for me though.

I though the Future Shock was fun. That would have worked just as well in the regular Prog. Pandora was entertaining.

Dept K was an odd one. It went in a totally different direction to what I was expecting (Black Science meets MC1) and so I’ll reserve judgement until I’ve read a few episodes of the full run.

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 23 May, 2021, 01:49:25 PM »
I would love to see an Armoured Gideon book. And, let’s face it, this is the only way we’d ever get one, bar some kind of insanely expensive self-published custom job.

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 22 May, 2021, 10:51:16 PM »
I’ve enjoyed the collection and the extension to 111 is mostly amazing, but that list for the next 29 really doesn’t excite me. Might turn into a cherry picker when 111 comes through the door.

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 22 May, 2021, 04:13:11 PM »
The main issue with Helium is that it felt very ‘part one’ and we never got any more of it. The series got reprinted in the Meg floppy some time back, which made everyone thing series two was on the way, but… nothing. (See also: Brass Sun. What’s going on there?)

It’ll be interesting to see what War Machine is backed with. Almost the entire Fr1day run was bloody awful, and the subsequent tangled continuities mess wasn’t much better either. I personally liked the Tor Cyan strips—and we know Mercy Heights is (bafflingly) being included in the UC, so perhaps that could back War Machine? I dunno.

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General / Re: Forthcoming Thrills - 2021
« on: 22 May, 2021, 10:52:40 AM »
So excluding Dredd, I have all of the stront in hardback, Fiends in Hardback.... was Third World War published in HB?
It’s still on the 2000 AD shop: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/RCA-B0076

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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 22 May, 2021, 10:51:54 AM »
One I’m slightly surprised didn’t happen is The Dead + Freaks. They would have hung together pretty well, and you’d have got:

The Dead / 49
Freaks / 30
Faces / 48

Perhaps chuck in Shadows (53) and you’ve a solid collection of Milligan work (bar Faces, which had Higgins on scripting duties).

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General / Re: Forthcoming Thrills - 2021
« on: 21 May, 2021, 03:52:57 PM »
Devlin’s great. But I genuinely don’t get Tharg’s love for Skip Tracer. It’s not bad, but it’s just… there. Perhaps a full re-read might make me appreciate it more, but it just doesn’t spark for me in any way.

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Jamie Smart is a cartoonist who I firmly believe should be listed among the greats. Bunny vs Monkey and Looshkin are superb, but everything he’s done has at least been very good. His comics are funny, cleverly written, packed with anarchy, and dotted with emotional clout. The places Bunny vs Monkey went were quite daring for a children’s comic. Looshkin recently did a mind-boggling ‘mess with time’ thing that echoed Chronocops to some degree. It wasn’t as complex, but it ran across just two pages, doing something only achievable in comics. Again, that’s quite something for a strip aimed at children. It’s not about the obvious. I would genuinely buy Image-style HCs of both series, if the publisher ever went for that.

For Mills to hand-wave away the entire publication in the way he did, dismissing it as a comic for ‘Waitrose snobs’ just shows him up for being blinkered and, indeed, snobbish himself. Only ‘his’ comics are valid, along with those he likes. Well, fine, but at that point you’ve dispensed with objectivity entirely.

As for his broader point, I mean it works at its very broadest, which is: wouldn’t it be a good thing if creators had more control and got more money from their efforts? But, again, it entirely swerves the risk/reward issue that’s come up multiple times on this forum. As Jim Campbell has noted, the halcyon option of, say, Image is a fallacy for a great many creators; and, notably, Scarlet Traces went to Rebellion after a long time as an indie.

The other main point Mills repeatedly makes about creator control is something I have more sympathy for. If creator X has build a brand and strip over years, wrenching it away and giving it to someone else when the original creator wants to continue is cruel, even when it’s the smart business decision. However, has that ever happened throughout 2000 AD’s recent (Rebellion) history? Some strips have instead just stopped (which Mills also takes exception too, being miffed that a 2000 AD editor wouldn’t commission whatever he wanted to write). I know the John Smith strips carve-up remains controversial, but he fell off the map entirely for over 18 months. I understand the circumstances for John Smith were horrendous, but the editor wasn’t to know that because there was no communication. (Also: it feels like that was about timing. You wonder whether if there hadn’t been Indigo Prime in the tank if that strip would have just remained sleeping. Devlin, though, I think was something Matt Smith wanted to bring back.)

As I’ve said multiple times, I hope bridges weren’t burned and if John came to the then current Tharg with some ideas that were suitable and solid, they would be considered.

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^ That’s pretty great and very apt. It’s also particularly interesting to see the artists thing mentioned time and time again. Mills does seem defensive on the behalf and appreciative of his artists, but they’re like people cycling through his band. He’s Robert Smith in his own Cure. Everyone else is dispensable, rather than a creator.

Funt Solo’s thoughts on post-Smith are interesting. For me, they show the entire range of what works and what doesn’t. Rory McConville’s scripts didn’t click with me. They seemed too normal. They were desperate to wrap up long-standing background colour that didn’t need addressing. They didn’t really nail the spirit and essence of the strip. Kot, on the other hand, has written scripts that feel like Devlin Waugh.

For me, Kek-W’s Indigo Prime sits somewhat in the middle. It wholeheartedly embraces the weirdness of the strip, and feels suitably epic in its world building. But some elements feel off, not least his infatuation with bringing back old characters to the Prog. (I wasn’t a fan of Armoured Gideon rocking up in another of his series either, nor the Sovs in Deadworld—although that ended up working a lot better than it looked like it would when it began.)

As for Niemand showrunning Dredd, I dunno. His strips have been by far my favourite of the ‘new’ crop of writers. Like Ewing, he just gets the feel and sound of the strip. But he does also frequently shy away from featuring Dredd. That said, the recent SJS story shifted the balance somewhat. I guess the question is what Matt Smith wants to do with Dredd now Wagner’s more or less retired. Does he run multiple (often conflicting) contained strands/worlds, or try to make it a more coherent whole?

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