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General / Re: Noel Clarke
« on: 11 May, 2021, 01:35:36 PM »
Really? When the next bit said:

“and is deeply upset by Rowling. Her take: she won’t let this sour her love for those books nor her extremely happy memories on seeing the stage show, but she won’t fund any further activities Rowling partakes in.”

Is there some renowned Lovecraft stage show I haven’t heard about? That would be quite something, admittedly.

General / Re: Noel Clarke
« on: 11 May, 2021, 12:38:29 PM »
HP: Harry Potter. As in, the most famous children’s book series in living memory, written by JK Rowling? There were some movies and videogames, I believe.

Prog / Re: Prog 2231 - Take Cover, Citizens!
« on: 11 May, 2021, 11:27:18 AM »
Dredd’s a great start, although Dredd’s lawgiver needs toning down somewhat, since it’s apparently now so powerful it can switch someone’s shoulder pads when they’re shot! ;)

Elsewhere, Thistlebone is horrible, in a good way, Intestinauts is a lot of fun, and Feral and Foe has shifted from being one of my “oh, OK” Abnett strips to a favourite.

The Future Shock? Quite nice to see Tomlinson back. The story felt a bit muddled, but made more sense on a re-read. Oddly enough, I think it would have worked much better as a three-parter, building to a fairly obvious twist, but one that would have had more impact had we known the protagonist for longer.

General / Re: Noel Clarke
« on: 11 May, 2021, 11:07:24 AM »
Robert Webb, to a lesser extent. I got his book as a gift. And: oh my. It’s stuffed with humblebrag and not great depictions of women. Very much the “poor younger me, because girls didn’t really fall for me much, on the basis I wasn’t very manly, but let me tell you about the next several girls I fucked”. Just awful. And then there’s all his weirdness about trans and the recent fuck-up on US radio (which is toe-curlingly awful to listen to).

General / Re: Noel Clarke
« on: 11 May, 2021, 10:09:15 AM »
Years back, I interviewed Graham Linehan. I had a lot of fun. He seemed like a solid guy. He wrote the afterword for a Rebellion book (IIRC, Book of Scars) as well, so someone at 2000 AD must have been a fan too. Were the signs there? I mean, possibly. Some of his writing in hindsight in IT Crowd now doesn’t look too good, to say the least. But, mostly, it’s impossible to see behind the public shields people put up. Add to that the ‘benefit of the doubt’ being too broadly and liberally applied for those with power and influence and you end up with the shitshow that’s now exploding everywhere.

The question is more what you do when you know. Do you double down on the person? Do you make peace with the property? My wife’s a massive HP fan (even if she found some aspects of the… very white/English/bit racist outlook troubling), and is deeply upset by Rowling. Her take: she won’t let this sour her love for those books nor her extremely happy memories on seeing the stage show, but she won’t fund any further activities Rowling partakes in. That’s more or less where I sit right now. (I’m not going to hurl our Firefly DVD into the skip, but fuck Whedon. And had I realised Scott Allie was the guy behind the final BRPD arc before it arrived in my house, I would have skipped over that too, despite really wanting to read the conclusion to that series. Although it was, unfortunately, shite. Clarke? Same thing goes, although I suspect he’s going to find getting more work pretty tricky anyway after all this.)

Creative Common / Re: One Small Step ...
« on: 10 May, 2021, 12:04:36 PM »
I wish there were more places in the Prog for shorter pieces like this. I’d have loved to have seen that in the current issue—it’s really good.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 10 May, 2021, 11:28:27 AM »
New Zealand would be a start. Elections every three years. MMP. Ardern govt shows a majority is possible if one party gives enough of a shit about the country and voters at large.

And plenty of countries in the EU have reasonable systems we could adapt for the UK. Of course, all we hear about are when it takes ages for a coalition to form in, say, Belgium, or the ongoing shitshow of Italian politics. We very rarely hear about other countries that have PR, because, well, their politics is often pretty boring. They work out how to collaborate and just get on with things.

Our electoral system was fine when just a smallish number of rich men could vote and choose between a relatively liberal rich-person’s party and a somewhat less liberal rich-person’s party. Today, it’s a relic. I mean, look at what happened in 1983. Thatcher gets 61% of the seats on 42% of the vote. Labour ends up with 32% of the seats on 28% of the vote. The Lib/SDP alliance gets 4% of the seats on 25% of the vote.

FPTP is bullshit and needs consigning to history. Once that’s done, we can look at how to deal with the upper house, although that’s a much, much trickier thing to sort. After all:

- Do you make it fully elected? If so: cross-benchers are eradicated and you have a deeply partisan second chamber, with an eye on elections rather than doing their jobs

- If you create a senate, how do you divvy up the seats? Evenly between country? (Good for the union; not great for representation of individuals.) By population? (Bad for the union; would give too much power to the English.) Regionally, like with MEPs? (Could go either way—would depend if English regions would gang up on the others, or recognise they have power at that point.)

- And do you give it more powers, potentially enabling it to block HOC decisions? (Vs the current situation, where the Lords is basically a chamber with little power that the govt can override almost whenever it chooses to.)

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 09 May, 2021, 05:03:22 PM »
The LibDems expressly and repeatedly said they wouldn't work with Labour in 2019.
They were part of a pact with the Greens and Plaid that invited Labour to join it. Labour said no.

As for PR, I’m not sure what you mean about the specifics. Most people I know who are pro-PR want representative government. They want a system where we don’t end up with 35% of the vote installing a government that can do whatever the hell it likes, ignoring the majority. They want a system where parties have to work together to build consensus.

And, yes, this would likely mean some arsehole MPs—although note that the vast majority of PR systems in use have minimum cut-off points. But that is representation too. Right now, Farage is still the tail wagging the two-headed dog that is the Conservative Party and the Labour Party. Hell, given Davey’s weak leadership, he’s wagging the Lib Dems as well. When the entire political direction of our country is built around appealing to a minority of shouty regressives, that helps no-one. When our elections are mostly wasted votes and reliant on flipping a handful of marginals, that helps no-one. But that’s where we are.

My wife is from a country with PR and has lived in the UK for around 15 years. She’s still aghast at our system. She thinks we’re living in the Stone Age as far as democracy goes—and she’s right. We lurch from Con to Lab and back. Everyone blames everything on their predecessor and wants to tear everything down and remake the UK in their own image. There’s no continuity. Worse, FPTP gives the Tories a massive in-built advantage. Yet Labour still won’t even consider looking at a future where they would regularly lead a government comprising multiple parties with a reasonable amount of policy overlap. They’d rather sit in opposition and blame Greens, Lib Dems and Plaid voters for their inability to win an election.

I’m so bloody sick of it all.

General / Re: Noel Clarke
« on: 09 May, 2021, 03:52:30 PM »
Mm. It’s interesting how Clarke’s story never came out widely at the time. There was lots of shit at the time about Barrowman, but never Clarke. All we heard was that Who was “toxic” and Eccleston walked because of that atmosphere.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 09 May, 2021, 03:51:01 PM »
It's not my city, nor even my country, but I was cheered up to see that Laurence Fox got 1.9% of the vote.  With 5 million pounds spent, that's £100 a vote.  Good work, London.  Waitrose Tommy Robinson now knows exactly where he stands in the capital, as does Farage.
Thing is, we all joked about Farage some time ago and Fox got a TON of media coverage. He might fizzle out, but we though the same of Farage, who continues to arguably be the most effective single politician since Blair, in terms of the effect he has on the electorate (albeit largely driven by our broken electoral system, and increasingly by the US-style culture war that’s now growing in the UK).

General / Re: Noel Clarke
« on: 09 May, 2021, 11:13:53 AM »
Yeah. I was thinking about this when the news broke. This did not age well.

Announcements / Re: Dave Evans, R.I.P.
« on: 07 May, 2021, 01:25:44 PM »
The internet is a funny old place, not least on boards where you so often hide behind pseudonyms. It’s hard to get the measure of a person. I never felt that about Dave. I never met the man, but he always seemed like the best of us. It’s not fair that he’s no longer with us, bar in memory.

Off Topic / Re: RIPs
« on: 07 May, 2021, 01:20:13 PM »
Thread for Dave here: https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47560.0;topicseen

Really sad news.

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 07 May, 2021, 01:16:51 PM »
I had the same. They messed up some subscriptions by sending them twice, although I didn’t get charged twice. I was informed that they can be returned for free to “FREEPOST HACHETTE PARTWORKS”.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 07 May, 2021, 12:02:57 PM »
Add to that Labour not recognising that it was Corbyn many people didn’t like rather than (most of) his policies, and you’ve a recipe for electoral disaster—a shrinking opposition that has nowhere to go in England. The Libs remain a busted flush that look vanishingly unlikely to poll much above 10% ever again (which presents a BIG problem in the south, where Labour remains weak), and the Greens might gain in vote share but they can’t win a seat outside of Brighton, unless something VERY strange happens. (Wales will, I suspect, shift quite heavily Plaid in the west and Con in the east, but the numbers there won’t move the needle significantly.)

I’d like nothing more than waking up to a Labour-led coalition, promising electoral reform and progressive policy, with Libs and Plaid cabinet members to present a new era of cooperation and consensus. Alas, a pipe dream. It’s never going to happen while political parties remain wedded to our country’s archaic electoral process.

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