The Political Thread

[Grugz]

now ,now language! I don't see why I have to explain anything to you. but I will, even if £21000 was the national wage I was still more than half that which is less. it was a throwaway comment dunno why you are insisting on making a deal out of it. you not had your tablets today?

[Jim_Campbell]

now ,now language! I don't see why I have to explain anything to you. but I will, even if £21000 was the national wage I was still more than half that which is less. it was a throwaway comment dunno why you are insisting on making a deal out of it. you not had your tablets today?

You claimed another poster had said something they demonstrably hadn't and then acted as if the thing they hadn't said in someway supported your point. That makes you either an idiot or a troll. Or possibly both.

You could have just said "Oh, yeah, I mis-read that" but I know you'd rather pull out your own teeth than lose face to me, so you resort to cheap jibes about mental health.

[Grugz]

no, I made a comment about the crap wages I was on, I was in no way trying to have a go at james or prove a point or anything like that.

  Lose face? seriously? if you think i'm bothered, scared or whatever of you then you clearly are delusional and what cheap jibes about mental health? if you meant the tablet comment I was actually making a cheap jibe about your blood pressure nurse. I have had and still have enough mental health issues without making jibes about anyones mental health which is why I started the black dog thread but can see the humorous side about myself and have learned to live with and accept and take the piss out of myself . You really do need to calm down and I do have some very strong ones I can recommend..

[Jim_Campbell]

  Lose face? seriously? if you think i'm bothered, scared or whatever of you then you clearly are delusional and what cheap jibes about mental health? if you meant the tablet comment I was actually making a cheap jibe about your blood pressure nurse.

So I'm delusional, but you're not making jibes about mental health? And my blood pressure is funny, is it? Any other medical conditions you want to bring in order to have a humorous pop at me?

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to tell me what 'boots on the ground' the EU could have provided to assist during the floods, and how they would have been helpful.

[IndigoPrime]

Playing catch-up, I'm not sure what shows you're listening to, Commando Forces. From what I can tell from legal and political commentators, the government has no plan. The people in charge of Brexit are at odds with each other while simultaneously not making clear what kind of Brexit they want. Davis still doesn't seem to grasp the legal ramifications of trade deals within and outside of the EU. Others intentionally conflate free market ACCESS (which anyone has) with free market MEMBERSHIP.

Trade agreements have started with other countries? Really? I'd love to see citations of that, given that anything remotely productive is impossible until our final relationship with the EU is known, and whether it's possible for the UK outside of the EU to join the WTO. As for Germany, it's not just a garage. On other countries, I hope they can in some way rapidly come to an agreement with the UK, because we're going to need to massively ratchet up trade with non-EU nations to fill the void. (We will then see the relative merits or lack thereof of our economy, which has been heavily geared towards services and finance, both of which are taking and will continue to take a big hit.)

Government backing sciences: nope. Guarantees to back funding until 2020, and then discussions thereafter. Given that the likelihood of the UK leaving the EU before 2020 is low (and before 2019 is practically impossible), that's entirely meaningless. But what I am already hearing from people in business, science, education and media is that the UK is already getting a serious behind-the-scenes kicking.

As far as I'm concerned the EU can't fall apart quick enough

Yeah, because that's something that's worked so well in the past.

I have no idea what's coming. I hope it ends well. But there is nothing we've seen so far that suggests this will be the case in the short or medium term, and a lot of damage could be done by the time we clamber up to something approaching the position we're in now. (Also, from a purely personal standpoint, this is a seriously shit time to be part of a mixed nationality family, where you're abruptly in the position of not knowing what the future holds. Will Mrs IP be allowed to stay in the UK? Who fucking knows? I'll be happily making my way to the Irish embassy next month, in the hope of getting the details to acquire an Irish passport, though, so at a least we've a plan B for if things do head into the abyss here regarding rights to reside.)

[Grugz]

 

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to tell me what 'boots on the ground' the EU could have provided to assist during the floods, and how they would have been helpful.
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  good for you.

[Jim_Campbell]

good for you.

Right. So, that thing you were complaining that the EU didn't do? You didn't want them to do it anyway. Right. That makes perfect sense.

[maryanddavid]

I'll be happily making my way to the Irish embassy next month, in the hope of getting the details to acquire an Irish passport, though, so at a least we've a plan B for if things do head into the abyss here regarding rights to reside.)

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/passport-office-hiring-hundreds-of-staff-to-deal-with-extra-demand-after-brexit-748450.html

[IndigoPrime]

Doesn't surprise me. I just count my lucky stars I'm (most likely) eligible. At least my future won't be restricted in terms of freedom of movement within the EU, and nor will my child's (since mini-IP holds a British passport and an EEA one as well).

[Hawkmumbler]

I've been considering applying for an Irish passport, but already having a New Zealand one I still have more options than some.

[IndigoPrime]

My thinking is simple: whatever shit goes down here, I want the right to live anywhere in the EU/EEA, as I have now, without jumping through hoops. (As a freelancer – assuming that continues – getting a work visa would be complicated.) If we get a fairly hard Brexit and we decide to move back to my wife's country of origin, we can do so if I have an Irish passport, but won't be able to with a British one.

(I suspect this is also something many Leave voters are going to be quite surprised by five-to-ten years down the line. Brits seem to think they should have the right to free movement, but that this should not be reciprocal. I bet plenty of Brexit voters will fume when they realise they cannot easily buy property in and retire to France or Spain, or even that they'll have to languish in the slow queue when holidaying in Europe.)

[TordelBack]

Kiwimumbler it is, so.

[COMMANDO FORCES]

I'm at work on the phone, so won't be able to answer all the lovely points.

As for the everyone has to leave stuff, that was never on the cards, so all who are legally settled in Europe won't be booted out of any country. I'm sure some extreme UKIP people hoped for that but if I'm correct, it was all about controlled immigration and not a stop to it.

I will be absolutely amazed if the government starts to systematically throw legal residents out.

As for the trade stuff, if you really believe that the government haven't sent their feelers out for when Brexit is triggered, so that the negotiations can begin smoothly, well that's obviously your thinking. That's partly what our embassies do all the time all over the world. The only time it hits the news is when someone like Boris rugby tackles a small child on a trade mission.

As for queuing at airports. I'd class that as a first World minor irritant. Buying a house abroad to retire in, that's why you pay a lawyer to do all the hard work.

I'm sure there were more questions but I'm wanting to chat with the ladies at work now.

Oh, one thing. I'm gonna guess that wanting boots on the ground would mean helping out with manpower. A bit like when the UK send specialist teams abroad to help, if it's required. That's just my take on that.

[The Legendary Shark]

Others intentionally conflate free market ACCESS (which anyone has) with free market MEMBERSHIP.

If everyone has access, what's the point of membership? Membership implies access limited to members only in the same way a members-only club or gym won't allow non-members to wander in off the street.

If it requires membership it's not a free market and if it's a free market it does not require membership.

[Hawkmumbler]

Kiwimumbler it is, so.

Moamumbler, giant and ungainly.