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General / Let’s get Dreddlines back!
« on: 29 July, 2021, 10:30:41 AM »
In the current prog (2242), Tharg tells us that he hasn’t axed Dreddlines, it’s just that he doesn’t get enough letters addressed to the Meg. So, it would seem if some of us peeps on the forum write in, we could bring it back, even if it’s for one month only. Cmon, guys - whatdyasay? You’ll get a free GN!*

As the form and etiquette of a Dreddlines letter, is now lost in the mists of 2018, here’s a few reminders:

1. The standard greeting is “Dear Dreddlines”, so no need to think up an overly-familiar salutation to TMO.
2. In fact, the whole facade of Tharg, his worker droids, and Quaxxian language is generally eschewed on Dreddlines. Feel free to drop in the occasional ‘zarjaz’ though.
3. Apart from that, just go with standard Input letter content, viz: I’ve been reading the Meg since such-and-such. My elderly relative never failed to buy me my monthly Meg, back in 1900-and-frozen-to-death. I love strips A, B, C but I dislike strips X, Y, Z. Could we have obscure-contributer-from-yesteryear back writing/drawing/colouring/lettering for the Meg? Something about Pat Mills. The End.

Send email to dreddlines@2000adonline.com, with name and home town.

*Actually, I’m looking at a Dreddlines from Meg 402 and there’s no mention of a prize for getting your letter published. But neither did it say you definitely don’t get a prize, so hope springs eternal.

General / Mini-rant about going digital
« on: 06 December, 2019, 11:32:24 AM »
I went from a paper sub to digital about a month ago, and although generally happy I do get sometimes get the distinct feeling Tharg considers us to be Economy Class subscribers. For instance, we don't get this new exclusive Poster Prog for annual paper subscribers, even though I'm an annual digital subscriber? Yes, I know a poster prog doesn't really work on an iPad but I've have liked the story on the back.

And why do we get the prog on Wednesday when print subs often get it on Saturday? If anything we should get it a day earlier as it doesn't have to arrive via snail mail.

I know we pay less money, but surely that's offset by the savings in printing, mailing etc. And we don't get any combi-subscription savings. Why not?

The future is digital, and - like Tharg - it's the greener alternative. C'mon Tharg get with the times!

(To be clear, love the prog, and none of this is a huge deal, just seems a little regressive in this day and age.)

General / How do you read yours?
« on: 12 November, 2019, 11:37:50 AM »
This probably goes somewhat against the spirit of a weekly comic. but I'm going to streamline my 2000 AD experience by only reading each story once they are complete, from start-to-finish in one sitting. My MO will be the following:

1. New prog arrives: leaf through and make a note of any new stories in the Notes app on my phone (together with prog number)
2. Read any standalone strips, Tharg's intro, letters page etc.
3. If any stories have completed this week, check my Notes app, dig out the necessary back progs and read the whole story in one go.

Is this sacrilege? Do any of you guys do anything similar (like, for example just wait until you have a pile to read, and then devour them in one go)?

General / Would the Megazine be better off with fewer strips?
« on: 23 August, 2019, 07:33:07 AM »
For me reading the Magazine is always a slightly clumsy affair where I’m constantly leafing through back issues to remind myself of the current story arcs. It’s one thing to remember where we are in 5 separate ongoing sagas if I last read them a week ago, but for my middle aged brain, rather too much to expect it to dredge up such detailed information from a month ago. So that got me thinking why not reduce the number of stories in the Megazine? Why does it have to match 2000 AD’s story count of 5?

In this month’s Meg there are 44 pages of comic strip material, so each strip averages to about 9 pages, which is less than double the 2000 AD average strip size of 5-6 pages. What I personally think would be great is if we had instead were 3 stories of 14-15 pages each - a far more meaty proposition and something to really get your teeth into each month. And a longer story, together with only 3 would mean it would be far more likely you’d have remembered what the hell was going on a 4 weeks later.

Tharg would still have to commission the same amount of work for the Meg each year, so that and the schedule of graphic novels borne from the work wouldn’t be radically altered.

I’m sure there are probably lots of good reasons why this can’t happen and many other squaxxes may not like the idea in the first place, but it really would transform the Meg for me.

General / Thoughts on a year of being a returning squaxx
« on: 15 July, 2019, 01:05:31 PM »
Hi all,

I've been a returning reader now for more-or-less a year now, having been regular reader in my youth from 1983 to 1991. Last July I moved house, and ended up finding my old stash of progs in the move, so I ended up taking a trip to Forbidden Planet and coming back with prog 2088, and last year's Sci-Fi Special. Since, I've bought and read every prog, so that's a whole years of Thrill Power! I thought it might be interesting* to give my thoughts on the current state of the prog from the perspective of somebody who hasn't read it for 37 years! (Although I did by the occasional issue in the 90s). During this year, I also re-read my old progs in tandem with the new ones - I've done a post HERE https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45876.0 about this.

Obviously these are just my opinions; I know creators do interact with the forum and although my thoughts are mostly very positive there's one or two things that didn't do it for me, and I wouldn't want to disparage anybody's hard work. I've missed decades of thrills, and know little of what went on between progs 730 to 2087, which is a huge chunk! But that's why I thought this might be interesting, as I'd have different perspective from those who've been reading the prog continuously since then.

So anyway, let's get down to it. I do remember getting home with prog 2088 and giving it a leaf through before a proper read (as you do). The first thing I noticed was that it felt recognisably 2000 AD, but it also didn't seem just a re-tread of past glories. So, so far, so good! The two stories to immediately grab me with their art were The Order and Fall of Deadworld. I immediately loved the chiselled stylings of The Order and the art seemed an interesting blend of old and new. I only found out a few months later that John Burns is a comic veteran, and once I knew I immediately remembered the strips in Look-In that he used to do. How great that he's still in the industry and doing such great work! And the protagonist was a not-particularly-attractive middle age woman - how refreshing, I thought (as a non-particularly attractive middle age man). Now I didn't understand everything that was going on, but that was OK as I was new, and I was getting the gist anyway.

And then The Order proceeded to get a right royal kicking in the letters page, week after week. To be fair, there were problems with it: it seemed as though it struggled to fit all the plot into its allocated pages towards the end, and at times it felt as if the art wasn't telegraphing the important plot points very well. So scope for improvement, I think, but I, for one, would be gutted if that's the end of The Order due to the reception it got.

The other strip that immediately grabbed me, The Fall of Deadworld, couldn't be more different in terms of tone and artwork, but interestingly written by the same script droid, Kek-W (who sounds like some futuristic form of Y-fronts for doubly-endowed aliens). Coming into this one so late in its run was an obvious hindrance to understanding what was going on, but the premise of a proper origin story for Death et al. seemed to me to be a great idea, and I like that the campness of the Dark Judges has been dialled down and the horror ramped up. I think this is returning to the prog quite soon, and I'm very much looking forward to more dispatches from Deadworld.

Durham Red and Skip Tracer both finished in the next prog, so certainly didn't read enough of those to make any judgement, although I was rather taken aback of how different Durham Red looks these days! (To be fair that hairdo she had in the 80s did her no favours). In prog 2090, Grey Area starts (well, returns, to be more accurate) and this is the first encounter I had with Dan Abnett's work - a creator who, for me, would come to dominate the year ahead in both quantity and quality of this work. There's been a lot of Grey Area in recent months, and it has consistently been an excellent strip. The artwork is dazzlingly busy, almost to the extent that it can be hard to read - you don't know where to land your pupils first! This, for me, though is perfectly in keeping with the chaotic world of a migration centre teaming with all sorts of life. Grey Area also succeeds in saying something important about the way our present world is going, without bludgeoning you with its moralising. More of this!

The other new story is Mechastopheles which follows on from a recent Tharg's 3riller. Even though 3rillers are only 3 episodes long, I always felt throughout this run, that I never really got a handle as to what was going on and who these people were. I really, really wanted to like this, as I love high-concept weirdness, it but it felt like because I'd missed the 3riller I was never going to be able to catch up. Both The Order and Mechastopheles ended their runs in prog 2099, and at the time I'd made up my mind this would be my last prog. I'd done what I'd set out to do - have a quick look at the current state of the prog. Both stories seemed to fizzle a bit at the end, and another story debuted called Survival Geeks, that really wasn't doing it for me (I'll talk more on this later). Overall I was left with the impression that the current prog was in a generally healthy state, but I wasn't invested enough to become once more a regular reader.

But...oooh!...might as well get the bumper-sized prog 2100 as my last one, eh? So I went into WH Smiths one last time on the way back from work, and, well - this one made me keep with the prog and I've been buying it ever since. Of course, prog 2100 starts two new stories that are likely to be future classics - the Judge Dredd story The Small House and Brink High Society. Although the story that wowed me the most in that bumper issue was Fiends of Eastern Front. Now the original run of Fiends back in prog 200odd was before my time, so this wasn't a nostalgia kind of deal for me, just the artwork work and the opening episode just seemed to press my buttons in the right way, and (like Thistlebone at the moment) I ended up having super-high expectations for this story, and I was a little crestfallen when it only lasted for 6 episodes or so, as for some reason I'd got it into my head that this would be a 20+ episode epic. Maybe because it was set in Napoleonic Wars I was expecting War and Peace!

Judge Dredd The Small House was a story that I very much enjoyed, but possibly not the huge extent that other squaxxes did, and I think that's most due to the fact that this story was the culmination of a lot of content created by Rob Williams over the years, in strips like Low Life as well as Judge Dredd, but of course I hadn't read all that, so had no idea about characters like Judge Frank etc. So for me it was never going to have the resonance that it would have for long term readers, although I am very keen on going back and checking out all that comprehensive story arc. I'm very pleased that although Wagner still contributes to Dredd that other script droids are allowed to curate their own meaty story arcs in the Dreddverse. It seems the right decision to me, and Rob Williams seems a great Dredd writer.

One thing that I've found surprisingly hard to get my head around about current Dredd, compared to the old stuff I'm used to, is the change of lettering style. The late, great Tom Frame's letters were all bold, authoritative triptychs, standing there with a Dredd-like immovability. Annie Parkhouse's, on the other hand, are a swarm of spiky acute angles on which you feel as though you might snag a fingernail as you turn the page. Nothing wrong with that, but just so, so different! It's like Dredd has got a new voice actor who speaks in a harsh tenor where  the previous one had a deeper, more resonant baritone! I guess it's a good thing they didn't try to get someone to copy Frame's style and went with something new. I'll get used to it eventually.

I'm a bit of philistine when it comes to art, in that I often make a rush judgement on its quality based on how much detail there is in the work (e.g. love Fabry's work on Slaine, or Weston's work on Indigo Prime). But that sometimes makes it harder for me to appreciate the subtleties of simpler, plainer work and their own way of conveying the story. A case in point is Inj Culbard's work on Brink, and its stark use of dominant colours to differentiate place or emotion. So because of that bias of mine, I wasn't too on board the new Brink story High Society when it first appeared. But that changed a great deal when the plot tendrils reeled me in, and for its long run, was definitely the story I looked forward to reading most each week. It had a wonderful sense of an increasingly suffocating sense of intensity as Bridget Kurtis slowly got closer to the conspiracy, but also maybe above her neck and deep in a situation it would be hard to extricate herself from. Often the ending to comic stories can feel a little rushed, but this one took its time and was all the better for it. In fact I would say that this was the highlight of my year of reading the current prog and it could stand up to any golden period classic.

Skip Tracer returns with Legion, and this story is the best of the 3 Skip Tracer stories I have read because it has some supporting characters who have an emotional connection to Nolan Blake. Sadly this was not the case though with the following story, Louder Than Bombs, where supporting characters are relegated to mere mcguffins to support the plot, and usually ended up dying in a hail of bullets when their narrative purpose has been served. I have to say Skip Tracer, together with Survival Geeks, were the two disappointments for me of getting back into 2000 AD. I liked the artwork of both, and wanted them to grow on me, but it wasn't happening. Nolan Blake has very little about him going on other than being a rather typical hard boiled detective fellow (a genre that the prog has arguably mined to death with such fayre as Robo Hunter and Night Zero in any case), and I get that these types are generally loners, but my god, give me something to hang my hat on with the fellow. He had a brother who he has a difficult relationship with (who might now be dead, I can't remember) but that's all I've got - he's too much of a blank slate.

Survival Geeks on the other hand...well firstly I'm a man in my mid-forties, and this is clearly pitched at folks in their 20s and that's a very good thing. Even though I imagine a lot of readers are people like me who first picked up the prog decades ago, Tharg does need to make sure he's attracting a younger readership too (the recent Regened special did some great work in that regard). The reason I mention all this, is you might want to take my opinions on Survival Geeks with a large pinch of salt. The strip is an unapologetic celebration of geek culture, and I guess I come from an age where this idea of a geek culture as a separate and unified counter culture wasn't really a thing yet, and I'm not sure I massively like some aspects of it. For starters, it doesn't necessarily follow that because I like 2000 AD I necessary like, say Doctor Who (I don't, well not the recent stuff), but this whole geek culture thing kind of makes you feel obliged to treat it all as an amorphous blob that you should support, and not mention too much that you find much of it a bit ropey. Now I know a whole lot of that is a huge extrapolation on my part, and probably says more about my state of mind rather than anything real going on in geek culture, but bringing it back to Survival Geeks, it reminds me of Big Bang Theory in that you feel it has a check list of "Geek Culture Things" (Comicon, D&D, etc) and that the characters have to check a new one off each story. That doesn't interest me. And it's weirdly not funny. The art is fantastic, and would be great at bringing out any humour in the script, and I was expecting many Spaced-esque running jokes, pastiches etc. but they didn't seem to be there. What instead passes as humour is usually, the 3 male characters making some sexist assumption about "Tank Girl"-eque female character, at which point she acts all bad-ass, and the boys get some kind of comeuppance; rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for strong female leads, characters acting outside of gender norms and so forth - only that alone does not make for a compelling story. Maybe I just didn't get it.

Well, that all got a bit ranty. And I don't want this to be ranty, because overall I'm a happy reader of the prog, but thrill levels have always been variable, and you can't like everything. So anyway, back to something I did like: Kingdom. But one moan about Kingdom (while I'm in the mood): if you're going to use a pronoun like "them" to refer to a particular group of people, then for chrissake capitalise it, or italicise it to differentiate it from when you're just using them to mean, you know, "them". How many times have I had to re-read each bloody speech bubble in this strip just to make sure I've understood it? With that final rant over, Kingdom was great, although it did kind of merge in my head with Blunt which was running at the same time in the Megazine. That's not Kingdom's fault though. Kingdom is another one I must go back to and read from the beginning, as I gather there's a been many stories before this one, and lots of events under the bridge. Having said that though, I did get up to speed rather quickly - Dan Abnett really is excellent at making his stories accessible to new readers, as well as building on what has gone on before.

The Jaegir series was short but certainly packed a punch. The whole "seeing the war from the Norts' side" is all new to me, and what a way to start a story in a base that's being bombed to oblivion by the Southers. I was very surprised to see Simon Coleby on art duties, as his style these days is unrecognisably different from his work on Rogue Trooper back in the early 90s. I have to admit not being a big fan of his style back then, but on Jaegir it's absolutely gorgeous work. The only problem was there wasn't enough Jaegir in the prog - more of this! I even liked the Jaegir prog cover which seemed not to go down well in the forum (yes, I've been lurking for a while!)

One thing that reminded me of the 600-era of progs (and not in a good way, I'm afraid) is that some stories would go on a hiatus just as they had got all their story pieces together and the epic, story-defining confrontation was about to begin. I'm thinking here of Scarlet Traces and Kingmaker in particular, although the current Absalom appears to be a resumption of an all-mother of a cliff hanger that had been hanging (so Barney tells me) since all the way back in December 2017! When Scarlet Traces eventually resumes, will I remember what Fay Alexander was doing in the Pebble Mill studios, or how that old lady with the young man with the CCTVs are up to? I imagine not (as you can probably tell, it's all rather hazy even now). All of which can make the prog a hard thing to keep up, as you often have to consult back issues to work out what the hell's going on. Of course, I'm not saying stories shouldn't come and go, only that those disappearances should tie up with the beginnings and ends of story arcs, so the reader isn't expected to remember in great detail things they read 18 months ago. At least the recent resumption of Indigo Prime had a little catch-up in the Nerve Centre, but, being Indigo Prime, it made as much sense as a wool piano.

There's a lot of other stuff I was planning on discussing to like the Tharg's 3thrillers,  Max Normal, the Dredd Machine Law etc., but I'm mindful that this post has really gone on for ages! Anyway, still buying and very much enjoying the prog - a bit of uh-huh but a whole lot of oh-yeah!

*Your mileage may vary

General / Oh no not another re-read thread (progs 336 to 729)
« on: 17 June, 2019, 01:24:37 PM »
Hi all,

So about a year ago I started a re-read postening on a private Facebook group. And I thought I'd reproduce it here, at a one post a day basis (if I remember). As it was originally to people I knew well, it's a bit more opinionated than I would have probably been otherwise. Also, this was started before the sad passing of Carlos Esquerra and Ron Smith.

Anyway, - here we go!

Progs 336-388 (October 83 - October 84)

Well, luckily enough I start in a golden age for the Galaxy's Greatest. The previous prog (335) had been a New Readers Start Here issue, which returned Strontium Dog and Nemesis the Warlock to the comic, while starting new stories off for the continuing strips Judge Dredd (of course), Rogue Trooper and Slaine. Slaine, though, had only debuted very recently - prog 330 to be exact.

And what a line-up! You could argue that they're all variations on a theme: fundamentally a slightly grumpy, taciturn lone-agent warrior-wanderer, grimly fighting a personal war with the odds stacked against him. But what boy on the cusp of adolescence could fail to identify with that? And even if the heroes were the same, the settings certainly differed wildly: from the clean metallic lines of mega-city one, to the choking chem-clouds and swamps of Nu-Earth and in-between the dark Gothic climes of Nemesis and the primitive rural Celtic settlements of Slaine. What a feast for the eyes and food for a young impressionable boy's imagination.

My word it's violent though. The first Dredd story - an 8-parter called The Graveyard Shift - documents a typical night in Mega-City One, replete with senseless violence, serial killers and block wars. The body count each episode is very high, and even though the killing is usually not shown that graphically, there's piles of dead bodies in many frames. Later on there's a dead baby in Dredd and in Strontium Dog, Alpha takes the corpse of 10 year old boy to a zombie planet to re-animate him.

The team working on 2000AD seems quite small in those days. In terms of script writers, John Wagner and/or Alan Grant handle Judge Dredd (under the pseudonym TB Grover), Strontium Dog, and later on Ace Trucking Co., while Pat Mills writes Slaine and Nemesis the Warlock, and Gerry Finlay Day. Apart from them you have Alan Moore coming in at times (more on that later) and the odd standalone strip, such as a Future Shock written by someone else.

In terms of artists, Carlos Esquerra is by far the most prolific - there's hardly a single issue in the whole year without a Strontium Dog strip drawn by him. Belardinelli is second, doing both Slaine (alternating with Mike McMahon) and Ace Trucking Co. There's quite a turnover on Dredd and Rogue Trooper artists though. Ron Smith (my favourite Dredd artist) gets quite a few episodes, but no Brian Bolland as yet (my other fave).

Speaking of Dredd, one great source of comedy is the gormless stupidity of the average citizen of Mega City One. Ron Smith is a master of this, portraying them with an open-mouthed vacancy, usually just before something tragic befalls them. In one story there are dinosaurs running amock, and of course, one citizen leans out of his window to get a closer look and is promptly eaten by a T-Rex. If there's one criticism I have with this run of Dredd though, is that there's no epic story to rival the earlier Judge Child or Apocalypse War stories. Most stories are one-offs, or run to half-a-dozen episodes or so, and nothing momentous really happens that changes life in Mega-City One. Still, I think I'm about to start the City of the Damned storyline which I remember to be pretty epic, so hopefully you'll be getting that in my next installment.

Both Strontium Dog and Rogue Trooper, like Dredd, are present in nearly every issue in this era. Strontium Dog has three stories - The Moses Incident (where he tries to bring that boy to life), The Killing which is a straight-forward Battle Royale tale, and the epic Outlaws! where Alpha and Wulf are framed with a murder and have the rest of the Strontium Dogs trying to kill them. One twist with the Battle Royale story is that they're only in the game as many of the contestants have a bounty on their head - the plan is for them to kill the ones that fetch a good price and then do one. But, of course, (spolier!) they end up winning it, and then even kill the organisers for being arseholes - hooray! I don't quite know how they claim to have the moral highground but it's a lot of fun.

Rogue Trooper is a lot more "military" than the other stories. Of course, in those days, war-based comics like Battle, Valiant and Warload were still very popular, and it's clear that Rogue Trooper is there as an entry point to 2000 AD for that audience. He's always camouflaging himself with a bit of bracken, or hiding in a swamp as a convoy of military vehicles pass by. It's all very crack, elite and military. One thing about Rogue is everybody seems to hate him. Ostensibly he fights on the side of the Southers against the Nazi-like Norts, but he's been framed as a deserter so his own side is trying to get him too. I don't really know why he bothers. He's meant to be on the hunt for the Traitor General who framed him, but always ends up getting tangled up in other events. In one story a local dancer comes onto him, but he's having none of it. I think Rogue is there to teach us impressionable youngsters about the simple spiritual pleasures of an ascetic life. Possibly.

Nemesis Book 3 is not classic Nemesis (the next book certainly is though, which I'll be covering in the next instalment). It's mainly an excuse to set up a massive battle between giant siege robots, which in turn is mainly an excuse to show off Kevin O'Neil's bizarre, but wonderful artwork. In terms of art that was really pushing the boundaries in comics then, it's his work, and Mike McMahon's Slaine which are at the most esoteric. McMahon's Slaine looks scrappy when you first dive into it, but it's actually purposeful and the effect is like a wood carving. At times though it does get too scrappy, for example in the Shoggey Beast story. It would seem he was asked to dial in back a bit, as the next story (Sky Chariots) his work is more careful and measured, and I have to say the first episode of Sky Chariots is simply breathtaking. Massimo Belardinelli's work on Slaine, couldn't be more different to McMahon's, much more conventional and polished, but still very effective at conveying the story.

Nemesis is the first of the continuing stories to come to end, and after a few stop-gap Future Shocks gets replaced by Alan Moore's anarchic DR and Quinch. I've seen an interview by him where he comes across as rather embarrassed by DR Quinch, but he needn't be, as the mindless violence is always perfectly in-keeping with the Young Ones-esque humour of the strip, and artist Alan Davis (no, not that one) does a perfect job of bringing out the humour and sheer ridiculous of it all. Bravo Moore - be proud of it!

After Slaine has a break there's a definite feeling of the comic being a bit in a rut around June, as there's a lot of stop-gap single episode strips which are a bit underwhelming, but then slack is brought up with the appearance of Ace Trucking Co. and then - or lordy yes! - The Ballad of Halo Jones Book One. Ace Trucking Co. (which I could never bother to read back in the day), is light, humorous affair, but doesn't really endure. The Ballad of Halo Jones, though...you do wonder how it ever got commissioned and why they thought if would ever be a hit with a readership, which at the time was predominately 12 year old boys. I'm so glad they did though, as it's excellent and totally unlike anything else in the comic. We don't really burrow down to deeply into Halo's soul in the first book, it's mainly world-building, but what a world! A floating enclosed city (called the Hoop) moored off New York where the unemployed, and alien immigrants are housed. There's a weird cult called drummers who have a continual beat surgically inserted into their brains. There's a lot also that's left unexplained so you feel how strange this world is. Can't wait until Book 2 starts!

More tomorrow, squaxxes.

Welcome to the board / Borag Hi
« on: 17 June, 2019, 01:07:27 PM »
Hello squaxxes,

Was a reader for most of the 80s back in the day. Started getting the prog and Meg again since last July and thought it was about time I said hello. If anyone's interested I wrote some stuff about my re-read to friends on a Facebook group, which I can reprint here, but there's a fair few re-read threads knocking about so it may be one too many! It covered progs 335-729.

Anyway, regardless I look forward to putting my oar in on the weekly review the prog posts. See you there ;)

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