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Title: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Darryl on 07 February, 2004, 07:54:24 PM
WOO and indeed HOO!
After monthas of being pipped to the post, Ive blagged the Review thread first!


SPOILERS>>>>>>









The majority of the meg is given over to Giant - Both past and present.

Dredd - Prodigal - Nice use of Rico to emphasise the maturity of Giant now, Good story, well illustrated by simon Davis.

Whatever happenned to Giant? - a good way to let a once great character bow out with style and dignity.

Young Giant (gold) - well worth reading again, I think I may have missed one or two episodes when it was first published. ( will someone remind me when this was? how soon before necropolis?)

Charly;s War - as good as always.

Satanus  - the one Im not too keen on... ill reserve judgement.

Death - OH. MY. GOD. will he come back from this? what happens next? this aint fair! no more frazer irving to look forward to?

Anderson - Carrys on well, am I the only one to think that feugo (natch) becomes judge fire?


All in all a good meg, apart from the fact theyve published a letter by the arch prat KEANE..... get yer knives out lads, hes BACK........
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 07 February, 2004, 07:58:03 PM
Without spoiling it further, is the ending of The Wilderness Days a BIG cliffhanger?

BTW - what's Keane got to say for himself?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Darryl on 07 February, 2004, 08:07:38 PM
YEP! one BIG cliffhanger! I wasnt expecting it to end like that. You know at the end of LOTR fellowship when yo think, thats it? thats ALL? Ive got to WAIT? its that feeling!

as for Keano - hes bnags on about Grennie's Alpha's gay article, and takes it far too seriously.... equating mutants with gays.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: W. R. Logan on 07 February, 2004, 08:11:31 PM
>Young Giant (gold) - well worth reading again, I think I may have missed one or two episodes when it was first published. ( will someone remind me when this was? how soon before necropolis?)



Young Giant Prog 651 - 655

Necropolis Prog 674

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 07 February, 2004, 08:15:31 PM
Thanks, Darryl. I've really enjoyed Death, and if it's going to end on something that leaves me wanting more, the wait is going to be unbearable!

"Equating mutants with gays"? Fucking hell... I suspect he's taking the piss, but it's beyond me why the Meg decided it would be a good idea to print it. Do controversial letters really liven up the mailbag anymore?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Darryl on 07 February, 2004, 08:15:49 PM
knew I could rely on you Logan! Ta very much!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: stront692 on 07 February, 2004, 11:44:25 PM
probably to get this whole debate going again, there seem to be a fair few people watching really

the article was still a bad idea IMO and i dont really like many of them
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: thrillpowerseeker on 08 February, 2004, 12:33:29 AM
Yes..the article sucked big ones..all it proved was that anyone can read anything into any situation..I hope Rennie doesnt decide to do any similar follow ups
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: thrillpowerseeker on 08 February, 2004, 12:45:22 AM
Hey justa drokking minute..how did you get 216 so early?..
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: stront692 on 08 February, 2004, 01:50:02 AM
must be an inside job
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Byron Virgo on 08 February, 2004, 04:49:47 AM
"Death - OH. MY. GOD. will he come back from this? what happens next? this aint fair! no more frazer irving to look forward to?"

WHAT! WAHT HAPPENED! YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT AND THEN LEAVE IT!

AND HOW DID YOU GET THIS SO EARLY, YOU BASTARD!!!
(furious sound of teeth gnawing through furniture and own leg in a mixture of frustration and anticipation)
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Darryl on 08 February, 2004, 08:40:18 PM
errr.. went into my newsagents, and there it was waiting for me.... has noone else got theirs yet? ;-) (memo to self, return tardis before he notices....)

And I'm not going to say another word about Death!I'm not a rotten snitch who ruins everything!

NA NA NA NA!!!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: ukdane on 09 February, 2004, 02:21:34 PM
I have to say, I really like this months cover. I know it's just Giant and Giant standing there, but well, it does what it says on the tin!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: ukdane on 09 February, 2004, 03:55:52 PM
BTW, is that Oddboy with a Hitler moustache in Prodigal?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 February, 2004, 05:13:14 PM
I've not yet read all of it, but wonder what's up with Gordon - is he out to kill all of Dredd's old supporting cast? :) Next month: a Rennie-scripted "Walter gets melted in a vat of acid".

The Death story was a bit unbalanced and reminded me of the time when Dredd and Anderson were on deadworld, using the spirits to destroy their physical forms. Maybe that really should be it from Death, but I very much doubt that will be the case.

Anderson is a good story, but she was always a very bright character. Therefore, not being able to link between Feugo and Fire is a bit odd, but there you go.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 09 February, 2004, 07:48:59 PM
Just got my Meg. I'll post more later, but first: WHAT THE FUCK! They can't leave it there! I doubt that's the end of Death, but it's the first time in ages that I've thought it actually could be - cracking end to the series.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Trout on 10 February, 2004, 04:35:56 PM
I'll post full comments later, when I've time, but I want to say:

1) Rennie, you sentimental, slushy old sod!

and

2) Mills, please retire now. Your dialogue is absolute shit.

Still, a very, very, very good Meg.

- Trout
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: WoD on 10 February, 2004, 06:06:47 PM
Best Dredd for ages, and he wasn't in it.  Nice one Mr Rennie.
Good Meg all round this month, although I can't speak for the articles as I haven't had chnace yet.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: GordonR on 10 February, 2004, 06:20:02 PM
>>Best Dredd for ages, and he wasn't in it. Nice one Mr Rennie.

Cheers, although I wouldn't actually agree with that.  John's story in last month, for instance, was an absolute cracker.

I was rather hesitant about pitching it (and not just because it featured Rico, who's kind of a hand's off character, although John gave it his blessing) for the very reason you mention.  I think the pitch started "Well, Dredd isn't actually going to be in this story..."

Giant's a character I like a lot, although we often don't see much of him.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Trout on 10 February, 2004, 06:48:56 PM
As we've been saying on another thread, the supporting cast in many 2000AD stories is quite important.

Both Gordon's stories in this month's Meg made strong use of members of that cast, in a highly entertaining and emotive way.

You can't tell Gordon's that sensitive when you meet him, y'know.

- Trout
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Mr C on 10 February, 2004, 07:10:53 PM
That's true. Going up to him in a drunken stupor and slurring "Shtormin 'eaven were fuggin great mate!" gets a roll of the eyes and a shake of the head.

Anyway!
Cover-Cliffy R does it again.
Dredd-Excellent story, fantastic to see some modern day followers of Adolph Soso's fashion sense!
WWEHT: Giant-Really enjoyed this one, very sympathetic and quite a touching ending.
Death-Interesting ending, wonder if the ending of the will somehow tie up with Half-Life. Strange that I find myself sympathising so much with a nasty genocidal maniac and feeling sorry for him when he's foiled agian by those pesky sinners!
Charley's War- I'm too young to have caught the days of Battle, but this still is a brilliant story and makes me wish that Pat Mills could brush up on his storytelling and dialogue.
Blood of Satanus 2-Apart from Weston's art, the only thing that keeps me interested in this is the upcoming Dredd/Satanus rematch. Shame really.
2000AD Gold: Young Giant- missed this the first time around but I'm glad to have caught up on the background of this well fleshed out supporting character.
Anderson-I love Ranson's art and this is a fantastic story, I love the Dark Judges and seeing their creation would (sorry about this) ROCK! Fuego's obviously Judge Fire and we all know De'ath is Death, but what was Fear and Mortis called originally?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Byron Virgo on 10 February, 2004, 07:19:33 PM
Judge Monkey & Judge Harris (respectively)
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Tex Hex on 10 February, 2004, 07:22:09 PM

Wasnt it a big deal when Frank Millar submitted the dredd cover with facial hair? How does "Duke Mighten" get away with it? He looks like my gran!

hex
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Byron Virgo on 10 February, 2004, 07:27:57 PM
Carlos Ezquerra has drawn a stubbly Dredd before, as has Cam Kennedy. I don't understand all the contoversy.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Smiley on 10 February, 2004, 07:29:32 PM
Except for Death and Anderson (the two highlights) the art and writing throughout was a bit disappointing this month.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Tex Hex on 10 February, 2004, 07:29:46 PM

Nah Im not bothered myself, I just remember Dave Bishop thought it a problem...

hex
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Trout on 10 February, 2004, 07:44:53 PM
SPOILERS, CREEPS!

This month's Meg gets a well-deserved eight out of ten from me. It's truly an excellent comic.

Getting the only bad bit out of the way first, I fervently dislike the Satanus Dredd, mainly because of the poor dialogue and general pointlessness of it all.

I'm pretty certain Dredd uttered a double-entendre at one point this month, and the whole thing is stilted and poorly-told.

In addition, the plot is all a bit hard to take, isn't it?
"Yes, I'm aware of dark matter." Shut up, Pat. Just tell a bloody story, will you?

However, back to the plus points:

All three Giant stories were very good, especially the tear-jerking exit of John "Giant" Clay; a truly dignified ending.

I've read the Giant reprint a few too many times, but I welcome the concept of using relevant reprints in partially themed editions.

Charley's War continues to keep me interested, and the Death tale was quite exciting, despite a bit of the sort of astral plane guff I don't usually go for.
The art kept that one a highlight for me.

I'm increasingly keen on the Anderson story, as it continues to build. Ranson's art is always lovely.

Yes, that's so obviously Judge Fire. Is Anderson so brain-addled that she can't see an obvious plot twist coming? Oh well, it's still good.

Mr C - I reckon Fear and Mortis will be called Fe'ar and Mor'tis. These disguises are pretty cunning, after all.

The Bish-Op article is better than I thought it would be. I'm still reading it, at least.

As for that cover - wow! Very nice stuff.
I've always like Cliff Robinson's work, in occasional doses.

Does anyone know what's replacing Judge Death next month?

- Trout
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Smiley on 10 February, 2004, 07:52:34 PM
Fe'ar and Mor'tis

Boo and Manky?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: GordonR on 10 February, 2004, 07:57:53 PM
>>Yes, that's so obviously Judge Fire. Is Anderson so brain-addled that she can't see an obvious plot twist coming?

It's obviously the cumulative brain-sapping effect from all those comas she's been in.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: petemaskreplica on 10 February, 2004, 07:59:11 PM
"But I had information Satanus was returned to his own time in the Cretaceous Era."

How? did Nemesis stop off in Mega City and have a word in his shell-like? This is just getting silly, isn't it? Quite like the art though, stubbly Dredd aside.

Mortis should be easy to spot, how many blokes with a horses head can there be on Deadworld? :)

2 great tales from Mr Rennie, touching stuff too, you'd better watch it Gordon, or you'll have us suspecting you may not be the very embodiement of evil after all ;)

Death: unexpected ending. But I just don't believe that's really the end of it.

Good Meg, has the edge over the prog at the moment.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Smiley on 10 February, 2004, 08:02:56 PM
did Nemesis stop off in Mega City and have a word in his shell-like?

I blame Helter Skelter.

Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 10 February, 2004, 08:56:19 PM
Pete - heh! That line stood out a mile for me, too. For all his moaning about other writers respecting his creations, Pat seems to be shitting all over Dredd in this story...
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Proudhuff on 10 February, 2004, 10:11:00 PM
Ma Twabobs worth:

Cover great should sell!

editors letter : I too remember Giant's death as a shock. That was when 2000ad got shot of characters like they had new ones in the wings unlike...

Death. Who has now finished on a high note with fabby art+story, now lets leave him where(ever) he is, finneto, gone, never to return, Norwegian Blueified, closuuure as they say. Move along please nothing to see.

Dread story, as with all the best Dredd stories the Meg and the Citz are the stars, the Judges but mere players, but mark my words there are dark deeds ahead.

WEHT Gaint. Nice use o' B&W, classic stlye of Blocks as well, good to see somebody reaches old age in the Meg. Shineys!(smurk)


Bloody Dinos, never liked dinostories, don't like Dredd with extra chins and stubble, can't be arsed with technobabble/dark matter etc and i don't think Dredd would would suffer Locker room banter either.Kill off this tired old dino and let's move along please!

Gold Giant: IMHO this is how to correctly draw, structure and deliver Dredd, maybe a bit heavy on the pallete tho', great to have an entire story in one issue, might bring in the Juves.

Charleys War. Pat Mills at his best I feel, and Colquhoun art work's a dream, all that white and ity still feels manky.

Dredd files. A few memories here, but a bit too  fanboy fir me.

Half life/ Anderson.  enjoyable but I can't help but think of Mazeworld...

 Over all great stuff just let Smoochiesarus lie down and die once and for all

Huff



 
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: W. R. Logan on 11 February, 2004, 02:33:43 AM
>Wasnt it a big deal when Frank Millar submitted the dredd cover with facial hair? How does "Duke Mighten" get away with it? He looks like my gran!

The big deal wasn?t the facial hair, just the fact that the cover was complete crap.



La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: +rufus+ on 11 February, 2004, 03:43:10 AM
I remember going into 2000s ol' office in Tavistock Square and David Bish and DigL showing me the Miller cover..I really thought it was ajoke, and that someone else had drawn it, sadly....
Great Rico[backslash]Giant story Mr Rennie! Ya nearly had me in tears.
 An' great to see Master Ezquerra Giant, when he still hand coloured.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: thrillpowerseeker on 11 February, 2004, 04:48:27 AM
HoHoHo..I see Rennie doesnt get to 'Vent his spleen' in 216..is this a suspension? or will he be back next month pronouncing that Dredd is a virgin with a mysoginist attitude towards women?...
Prodigal was a good story.. though I think we knew who the bad guys were in this one Mr Davis without the 'Hitler Tashes' helpful hint..

whtg..Tied up a loose end nicely..young Giant looks like hes been on a crash course of roids in the space of a page

Satanus..Picked up a lot this month..especially with the merovingian/blacknobility links..Good old Mills, he knows his way around obscure euro schlock

Bit disappointed with the fact that most of gold was given over to young giant..since i'd just re-read it about 5 days before the meg got here..Charleys War was trench warfare chlaustraphobia at its grimmest..superb stuff

Hell I'd almost forgotten about Dredds stint on the moon..this one has made want to dig out the earlies from the loft again for a re-read..I vaguely recollect a redneck judge and a Howard Hughes figure..

Gonna re-read Death-wilderness again sometime..Ive already forgot who the figure in white on the horse is and the ending is a bit lame                                                                                                Anderson is the best thing in the meg at the mo..no contest                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: thrillpowerseeker on 11 February, 2004, 04:55:55 AM
HoHoHo..I see Rennie doesnt get to 'Vent his spleen' in 216..is this a suspension? or will he be back next month pronouncing that Dredd is a virgin with a mysoginist attitude towards women?...
Prodigal was a good story.. though I think we knew who the bad guys were in this one Mr Davis without the 'Hitler Tashes' helpful hint..

whtg..Tied up a loose end nicely..young Giant looks like hes been on a crash course of roids in the space of a page

Satanus..Picked up a lot this month..especially with the merovingian/blacknobility links..Good old Mills, he knows his way around obscure euro schlock

Bit disappointed with the fact that most of gold was given over to young giant..since i'd just re-read it about 5 days before the meg got here..Charleys War was trench warfare chlaustraphobia at its grimmest..superb stuff

Hell I'd almost forgotten about Dredds stint on the moon..this one has made want to dig out the earlies from the loft again for a re-read..I vaguely recollect a redneck judge and a Howard Hughes figure..

Gonna re-read Death-wilderness again sometime..Ive already forgot who the figure in white on the horse is and the ending is a bit lame                                                                                                Anderson is the best thing in the meg at the mo..no contest                                                                                              Half life is obviously Mortis....you wait and see MrC..                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 11 February, 2004, 05:01:25 AM
Not much more to add other than to ask was that Manx McAndles being strangled by Rico in the Meg?

And Dredd WAS in the lead story, we saw his hands holding the baby.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: GordonR on 11 February, 2004, 03:00:20 PM
>>HoHoHo..I see Rennie doesnt get to 'Vent his spleen' in 216..is this a suspension?

Don't flatter yourself.

The column (and other regular feature stuff like the Interrogation Cube interview) was dropped this ish because Blood of Satanus was three pages longer this month, to make up for it being three pages too short last month.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2004, 05:11:15 PM
The "controversy" is more to do with consistency. Dredd (at least Wagner's version) hates Judges not looking their best, and hates facial hair. Therefore, when he has a beard/stubble he looks like a hypocrite.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2004, 05:14:23 PM
I wonder if there's any chance of making this 11 pages shorter next month? It really is garbage, and a disappointment after a promising opening episode.

However, I am very impressed with the fact that Mills seems to have access to a time machine: after all, the story reads like Dredd from 1979.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: W. R. Logan on 11 February, 2004, 05:32:55 PM
>The "controversy" is more to do with consistency. Dredd (at least Wagner's version) hates Judges not looking their best, and hates facial hair. Therefore, when he has a beard/stubble he looks like a hypocrite.

As we know Dredd is a stickler, for Dress, conduct and the application of the law. We also know that at times Dredd patrols the streets for days at a time before booking time in a sleep machine or having to take his mandatory 8 hours off. If he?s out on the streets dispensing Justice and breaking heads I doubt if even the great man is going to stop for a quick shave, but as soon as time allows or at the beginning of any shift I bet he leaves his hab shaved as close as a baby?s bum.

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.



My name is Dredd. You May have heard of me.
I'm a stickler.
A stickler for dress - for conduct - for the correct administration of the Law.
A bad attitude to one betrays a bad attitude to the others.
I will not tolerate Bad Attitude.
I know of no greater honour than to serve as a Judge of Mega-City One.
It is a privilege granted to only a few, but it is a privilege we must continue to earn.
If there are those among you who no longer feel capable of carrying out their duties in the manner required, I will be accepting resignations in my office.
I've kept you long enough.

The Pit Prog 970
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Oddboy on 11 February, 2004, 06:02:23 PM
Megazine

Dredd (not that he was in it) - excellent piece from Gordon here, nicely showing the differences & similarities between Giant/Dredd, Giant/Rico & Rico/Dredd.  What could have resulted in hard feelings & grudges, it was good to see the two acting with the professionalism that singled them out as top-notch judges in the first place.  Great to see Rico back in action.

WHT...Giant? - another good one here. Not much to say really, other then I enjoyed it, touching as it was.
Gordon, are you going to kill everyone you WHT..?

Blood of Satanus - I dunno - this is tr?s fromage. Can't tell if it's still good underneath or not. Didn't like the reference to Nemesis - how would Dredd have known what occured then? Just Mills trying to *claim* everything.

Skipped GOLD! for the moment - I read Young Giant fairly recently, and I'll get round to Charley's War when I get time.

Judge Death - blindingly good episode - is this a final fatality for the foul fiend?

Well, not exactly - because he's already back in
Anderson, PSI - also very good.  It's almost as if Grant & Wagner are in some type of evil chess game with their characters...
JW: Ha! Death's put Anderson in a coma (again)
AG: Hmm! Anderson retreats into a subconscious parallel world to face Judge Death
JW: Ha! I've killed Death forever!
AG: Ahh! But he's still okay in Anderson's subconscious!

No Rennie column this month, bah!

Letters page, I don't tend to read this anymore - mainly because there's *never* any replies from the editor. However I did notice that Keane was making a complete Keane of himself by trying to re-write Gordon's column from last month but with out the humour.

Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: petemaskreplica on 11 February, 2004, 06:06:34 PM
He probably waxes his chin :P
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Alan Barnes on 11 February, 2004, 07:09:56 PM
"Letters page, I don't tend to read this anymore - mainly because there's *never* any replies from the editor. "

Well, hardly ever. I only reply to letters if I've anything valuable to add - eg a statement of policy, correction, craven apology or answer to a direct question of interest to the readership as a whole (think I did the lot during the 'is Darkie's Mob racist?' debate). But generally, I feel I have my say on the other 99 pages - a letters page is the readers' space, and I hate seeing them diluted with sarcasm, aren't-we-better-than-you-plebs posing and/or editorial self-justification. (A Betelgeusian doing it is quite different from some fartypants editor, obviously.)

Quite passionate about this one, actually!

--Alan





Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Trout on 11 February, 2004, 07:32:32 PM
You should have a catchphrase, Alan, like Excelsior!

Anyway, I'd like to add I always read - and enjoy - your editorial on the inside front cover.

This month's was spot on, yet again.

- Trout
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: The Monarch on 11 February, 2004, 08:19:57 PM
Soooo is it next month that we will have that robot with the cliche nautical talk in whatever happened to?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2004, 08:36:31 PM
FWIW, I agree with this approach: it cuts down on "happy text" and provides more space for the readers to have their say.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Oddboy on 11 February, 2004, 10:10:50 PM
Fine sentiments Alan, and (while it makes me sound hypocritical) I do actually approve!

It's probably down to me reading more then enough opinions on this site...
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Pete Wells on 11 February, 2004, 10:58:25 PM
Just wanted to add how incensed I was after reading Mills' Satanus crap in this months Meg. It reads like a story by a junior school pupil and was a complete waste of my time.

How dare he throw hissy fit about other (much more on form) writers handling his characters when he is turning out utter rubbish like this. My respect for the man's writing has been diminishing for some time and now, I'm afraid, is completely non-existant.

It's even more annoying that enjoyable parts of the meg were scrapped to make way for this rubbish.

I really beleive that the reason he had a childish fit about fans (probably ex-fans of his by now) producing fan fiction about his characters is that he knows they would do a better job than he has doing for the last few years.

Utter, utter tripe, a real stinker in an otherwise cracking meg (which would have been even better if the Rennie column and Interogation Cube articles were in.)

"Burn the Witch!"

Pete.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Generally Contrary on 12 February, 2004, 12:13:20 AM
++You should have a catchphrase, Alan, like Excelsior!++

I think, 'I'm a bit passionate about this one, actually' is a wonderfully understated catchphrase.  See how long you can get away with it.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Patrick on 12 February, 2004, 01:18:36 AM
Has Pat Mills been co-writing with David Icke lately?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 12 February, 2004, 01:33:47 AM
Thinking about the end of Books of Invasions part one, then I'd say he probably has.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Mr D on 12 February, 2004, 03:44:13 AM
I liked almost everything in this meg apart from two things:

1) Rennie's column... Hey, I think it's funny! And well worth a read each month.... Annoyed it wasn't there.

2) I normally totally miss errors, but when I see them, however minor, they irritate the hell out of me.... Am I right or wrong here? It appears on page 6 of the Dredd story, in the (almost) centre picture, Rico and Giant's badges are on the wrong people as indicated by the dialogue... Giant is saying how he's often mistaken for Dredd by the way it looks (REALLY?!?!)

I'm probably wrong - I usually am.....
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Mr D on 12 February, 2004, 03:47:34 AM
Yes, I am. Reading it again, she thinks he's his father. Which makes more sense. It was the 'You get that a lot too?' line that made me think 'as well'..... oh well

Hurrah! So only one thing I didn't like!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Mr D on 12 February, 2004, 03:49:09 AM
Giant is his father I mean, not Rico... Rico being a clone, obviously.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: GordonR on 12 February, 2004, 06:06:08 AM
No, you're right.  I noticed it too.

Prodigal, page six, fourth panel.  Either someone's written the wrong names on the badges or the letterer has got the speech balloons the wrong way round.

Either way, each character is saying the other one's dialogue in that panel.

Arse.  Who checks these things, anyway?

Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Mr D on 12 February, 2004, 06:58:47 AM
Not having been able to read all the older stuff as I'm so young n poor, I'm not familiar with Giant (original). But it seemed that it would make more sense if the woman was confusing a big judge called Giant with another big judge called Giant, which is why I corrected myself.
But checking the dates, she's referring to an incident in prog 339, and Giant died in prog 242/3.
So you're right actually Gordon - I was right in the first place, she must be mistaking Rico for... Dredd? I assume so. What's the literacy rate in MC-1? Anyway, the speech bubbles were the wrong way round, or the badges are labeled wrongly. Ha! My first mistake spot!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Will I. Cooling on 12 February, 2004, 02:24:10 PM

Er, I think your all letting your previous hatred for Keane effect your judgement of his letter. All he said was that mutants (which don't exist therefore are a artistic construct) could and in the case of Stronty and X-Men do act as a metaphor for homosexuals. His letter (to me) was written and quite moderate in tone, in short alot better than what he usual writes.

P.S I LOVE the Johnny Alpha pic printed next to it.

Will

Link: http://www.411mania.com/comics

Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Jared Katooie on 12 February, 2004, 02:47:20 PM
Yeah but he also made up a load of complete bollox about mach 1 dealing with mental illness and a whole other bunch of stuff that was at best unlikely and at worst nonsense.

J.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Alan Barnes on 12 February, 2004, 04:07:40 PM
"Prodigal, page six, fourth panel. Either someone's written the wrong names on the badges or the letterer has got the speech balloons the wrong way round.
Either way, each character is saying the other one's dialogue in that panel.
Arse. Who checks these things, anyway?"

Arse indeed. I daresay Tom couldn't see the badges had names in the lo-res file he lettered from. But yeah, I missed it on the printout.

I am drafting my resignation.

--Alan



Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 12 February, 2004, 04:13:00 PM
Dark Matter?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Trout on 12 February, 2004, 04:15:57 PM
I'm writing to the Kingsleys to ask for Alan's job.

And more money than he got, obviously. :-p

- Trout
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: GordonR on 12 February, 2004, 04:29:14 PM
>>I am drafting my resignation.

I'll settle for nothing less than your head on a stick, Barnes.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Art on 12 February, 2004, 04:57:41 PM
Then you run the risk of being beaten to the job by Starlord.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: petemaskreplica on 12 February, 2004, 05:15:20 PM
Pah! There's only one man for that job...
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Oddboy on 12 February, 2004, 06:02:58 PM
Yeah I noticed that - but seeing as they're both agreeing that the same thing happens to both of them, I figured it doesn't really matter, and I was too keen to find out what happened next to be bothered to spend 15 minutes figuring out one panel.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Krustabi on 12 February, 2004, 06:47:22 PM
Pat Mills is going to hell...
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: paulvonscott on 13 February, 2004, 05:23:55 AM
Enjoyed this Meg too.  Another nice Cliff cover.

Wasn't convinced by theme progs, but no, they seem to work.

I enjoyed the end of Judge Death a lot too.

Anyway, nothing much wrong with this meg, I'm outa here.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Devons Daddy on 13 February, 2004, 09:28:30 AM
WOW!!!!!!

that was bloody awsome, hats off to the editor for that one.
the best meg by far for as long as i can remeber

. the script of the giant and rico tale Prodigal.outstanding one of the finest non wagner mega city based tale i have ever  enjoyed.
thats the highest thing i can say about this script.i hope that comes across in the way it was meant.

one for the history books.im sure we will be refering to this for years to come.





i was truly overloaded with thrill power with it,
ou
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Dudley on 15 February, 2004, 09:12:07 AM
It's definitely Oddboy with a Hitler moustache - anyone fancy scanning it in to compare?
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Huey on 15 February, 2004, 05:10:00 PM
"Yeah but he also made up a load of complete bollox about mach 1 dealing with mental illness and a whole other bunch of stuff that was at best unlikely and at worst nonsense."

- I think he was actually having a laugh. Until the last paragraph I believed he was serious, but the last few lines made me lauh out loud.

Anyway,...

Prodigal - too bitty and slushy.
Death - seemed very aimless until the last couple of eps. And no this can't be the end of him. when he finally does die it can't be at the hands of some nameless button pusher and some hick on a horse.
WHT? - This was OK, but 2/3rds of the WHT?s have caught up with the characters to see them die off. The other one showed the character carrying on as expected. I'd like to be suprised by what the character is doing after all these years.
Anderson - top.
Satanus - Great artwork and a pretty good story. It doesn't seem that much of a stretch of the imagination that Dredd would know what had happened to Satanus. The judges do have time-travel facilities and probably wanted to keep tabs on a dangerous tyrannosaur that could have wandered over to their outposts. Sure, they must have been puzzled and it does seem unlikely, but nothing to get worked up about.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Tiplodocus on 15 February, 2004, 06:50:39 PM
I must congratulate Pat Mills for showing an unseen side of his scripting talents on Satanus.  

I didn't think Pat could do out and out comedy but this Satanus script is so obviously a parody of what happens to his characters when other writers get their filthy mitts on it.

I mean just examine the laughably bad dialogue and innuendo ("If you steal a pen I'll treat you like Orlok", "I polish my gun"), the creaky pages of plot device exposition mixed with crackpot theory ("Blah blah... Dark Matter... Meringues... biomorphic links... blah blah") and the inept actions of the baddies (Dredd losing fight with baddie only to be left behind as they run off).

Pat's grasp how badly Dredd can be written by "outsiders" is on the button.

The only thing missing from the story is that maybe Dredd should have a girlfriend and/or Dredd should cry at the end when he saves a baby from it's crack-addled mother.

Pat Mills, I salute you!

Hey, I might send this in as a letter...


Enjoyed rest of Meg.

Isn't Dave Bishop's column going to be too big for us to take? At the rate he's pumping them out (3 months for a years worth of Dredd, It'll take another six years for him to finish).

Any why did Charlie stab that dwarf with the corkscrew?


Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Leigh S on 15 February, 2004, 07:23:14 PM
Having been initially optimistic about the Satanus story, this months is utterly bizarre - Tips explanation is about the only one that seems to make sense.

More proof, if ever was needed, that writing a story purely to claim ownership over a character is bound to end in tears...Whoever predicted the main reason for this story was to undermine a certain other 2000AD story of recent years seems to have been spot on.  

If those two were members of a Satanus loving church, why the hell would they have not killed Dredd when they had the chance?  

The stuff where the Doctor knows all about Dark Matter and Dredd about the whereabouts of Satanus really is utter expositionary bollocks of the worst kind, adn the locker room dialogue is cringeworthy.

It's the most incredibly ill thought out storyline for some time from Pat, and this from someone who had been kind of optimistic that Pat was starting to get out of his writing rut... Less Anus, more Satanus next time, Pat.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 15 February, 2004, 10:06:04 PM
Yeah, but he'll turn it all around with the dinosaur buggery in the next issue!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Art on 16 February, 2004, 12:07:35 AM
Or a blank page and the wonkily pasted on caption: "Satanus died returning to the Cretaceous period", Poochy style.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 18 February, 2004, 10:54:39 AM
Alan, what an admirable philosophy! Well put
Title: Dreddlines Appeal
Post by: Alan Barnes on 18 February, 2004, 08:38:04 PM
Dear Message Board People

I've been sent a grand total of three Dreddlines in the last four weeks, and one of them was only two words long. If anyone would care to see a lettercol in Meg 217, any reworked posts (or even new letters!) re Meg 216, or anything else interesting, really... sent to

dreddlines@2000adonline.com

... would be very gratefully received, especially before about this time tomorrow ...

Thank you. That is all.

Alan


Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 18 February, 2004, 08:44:08 PM
Get writing boarders!

That's an order Creeps!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Trout on 18 February, 2004, 09:20:42 PM
He's going to regret that. :-)

- Trout
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 18 February, 2004, 09:21:45 PM
Done and dusted, but people aren't going to like it.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Oddboy on 18 February, 2004, 09:35:18 PM
Yeah, print Tip's comments from just above! They's brilliant!
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Tiplodocus on 18 February, 2004, 10:14:33 PM
Very kind of you Odders. I sent it last night.

Any bets on what the TWO WORD one was?

This do?
yours Pat
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 18 February, 2004, 11:31:40 PM
Heh, it's funny because it's true.
Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: Noisybast on 19 February, 2004, 12:26:43 AM
"Any bets on what the TWO WORD one was?"

Was it "Shit Sandwich"?

Title: Re: MEGAZINE 216
Post by: -=>DEMONIZER<=- on 08 March, 2004, 01:08:44 AM
Dredd - Nice art by Simon Davis... very macho script, and marred by the the escaping-truck scene with Giant effortlessly floating down onto it and lending a hand to Rico while calmly offering advice.

Anderson - very good, Alan Grant shows again he can handle Dredd's world brilliantly with this idea. He is a great asset to 2000AD. Top Arthur Ranson art, too.