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Title: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 May, 2021, 06:52:37 AM
Before the last three votes of last week this tourney looked over as a competition with Classic team storming into a 6 : 1 lead. But Current Team don't know their beat and managed to rally with three straight wins. There is still a gap but its a lot closers at 6 : 4.  S knowing the draw this week is super important for the Current Team, you could well argue that it contains its strongest field of any week, they need to pick up points here.

So starting with The Mighty Yeowell is not a bad way to go, even if he did go out in the second round of the Current Tourney. Few have had such an impact, on so many great series, over such a long time as Steve. I've never hidden my personal belief that he is one of 2000ad definitive artists and a personal fav. So I was a little disappointed when he drew another artist I adore (mind how many times has that happened for folks in this competition) in Simon Fraser, who drawing Steve Dillon didn't get out of the first round of his tourney, but no shame in that at all. Irving's art is so distinctive and bold can even the Mighty Yeowell topple him?

Time for you to decide your favourite as the droids square up to the tee...

Steve Yeowell - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=stevey)

OR

Frazer Irving - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=FRAZERZ)

Remember for this tourney you have 5 votes to distribute as you please between these two artists, whole numbers only. So you can vote 5 - 0; 4 - 1; or 3 - 2; either way depending on how much more you like one artist's work over the other.

If you can't be doing with that just name your favourite - remember bold tags, or other ways of highlighting always appreciated - and I'll give them 3 votes and nowt to the other droid.

Three day votes, so this one ends morning of Thursday 20th May

Remember we only consider work for Tharg in these Tourneys

What the heck is all this about - well we have a thread for that (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.0)

How does this new voting work?  Look here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059536#msg1059536) and why again? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059557#msg1059557)

I don't understand how this works, what are the rules of the Ryder Cup - yep got ya covered there too (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059595#msg1059595)

Anything else just ask and I'll make something up. Most importantly have fun!

Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: broodblik on 17 May, 2021, 07:32:52 AM
Steve 5: Frazer 0
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: abelardsnazz on 17 May, 2021, 08:03:39 AM
I can't imagine anyone drawing the lion's share of Zenith other than Steve, plus we have his Devlin trilogy and The Red Seas. Fraser has done outstanding work on Judge Death and others, bringing backs of atmosphere.

Steve Yeowell 3, Fraser Irving 2.
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: TordelBack on 17 May, 2021, 08:12:06 AM
Mr Owl 4 : Dr Trips 1.

Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: BPP on 17 May, 2021, 08:35:13 AM
A nice battle of the precise lines.. 3-2 Yeowell
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 17 May, 2021, 08:39:33 AM
A 3-2 victory for Mr Yeowell.

SBT
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: CalHab on 17 May, 2021, 08:58:22 AM
Yeowell 5 - Irving 0. I mean.... Zenith.
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: DrJomster on 17 May, 2021, 09:08:40 AM
Yeowell 4 Irving 1. Gotta love the owl!
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Tomwe on 17 May, 2021, 09:27:43 AM
Pretty even split from me on this one.

Steve Yeowell - 3

Frazer Irving - 2
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: AlexF on 17 May, 2021, 10:32:29 AM
I fear that, excellent as it is, Yeowell's art has not inspired me for the last 15 years or so, whereas Mr Irving came in with a bang and managed to develop his style even across the handful of years he was in the Prog.

Irving 4, Yeowell 1

(I did very much admire Yeowell's work on Zenith, and loved his first three books of Red Seas - but something has fallen away since. Maybe he's just paired up with the wrong colourists?)
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: milstar on 17 May, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
Uh... this is tough. Too bad the votes cannot be split.

I'd have to go with Frazer 3, Steve 2 (sorry Steve)
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 17 May, 2021, 12:39:26 PM
It is hard.  I'm not a huge fan of the stuff Steve does these days, but Zenith makes up for it all a million times over. 
Steve 3, Frazer 2
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Dog Deever on 17 May, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
Yoewell United 4 Irving Town 1

Red Seas man... Red Seas.
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 May, 2021, 01:29:21 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 17 May, 2021, 06:52:37 AM
So starting with The Mighty Yeowell is not a bad way to go, even if he did go out in the second round of the Current Tourney. Few have had such an impact, on so many great series, over such a long time as Steve. I've never hidden my personal belief that he is one of 2000ad definitive artists and a personal fav. So I was a little disappointed when he drew another artist I adore (mind how many times has that happened for folks in this competition) in Simon Fraser,....

Well of course he didn't did he, he drew Fraser Irving. Bother Frasers (surname or forename) are favourites of mine so there is NO excuse for me getting brain muddled there is there!

I also did a 'their' instead of 'they're' as well but that's the type of nonsense I guess you are all used to by now!
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Magnetica on 17 May, 2021, 07:33:12 PM
Gawd damn it my first thought was was an easy five nil to Steve Yeowell. And then I remembered Frazer Irving drew the Simping Detective, which is possibly my favourite ever Megazine strip (tied with Lawless and Insurrection).

And yes recent efforts on SinDex are not quite at the Zenith level of brilliance.

So on reflection:

Yeowell 3 : 2 Irving
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 17 May, 2021, 07:42:55 PM
frazer 4 - 1 steve
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: rogue69 on 17 May, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
Steve Yeowell 2, Fraser Irving 3.
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Rogue Judge on 17 May, 2021, 10:06:53 PM
Steve Yeowell 4, Fraser Irving 1

I love Yeowll's classic comic style art. I like Fraser's Death.
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: maryanddavid on 18 May, 2021, 12:10:18 AM
4-1 to the Owl
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: paddykafka on 18 May, 2021, 12:48:25 PM
Steve Yeowell (3) Fraser Irving (2)
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 May, 2021, 06:42:55 AM
Last call on this one and I'll be honest I'm surprised how this one has gone so far as much as I adore The Mighty Yeowell's art I thought he was more devisive? Let's see how the last votes go before reading too much into things I guess. So remember vote today and I'll count up in the morning.

Speaking of getting your vote in time I did and I'm a bit torn. I've made no secret that Steve Yeowell is one of my absolute favourites. I mean seriously the people I would rate him above would probly get me kicked off the board BUT at the same time I'm a massive fan of Fraser Irving's distinct, powerful style. Interesting that The Mighty Yeowell has done some high contrast stuff in his time, particularly Zenith era yet its nothing like Fraser's high contrast work.

Okay, okay enough procrastination... arrrhhh I have to go

The Mighty Yeowell 4 : Fraser Irving 1

BUT Fraser Irving know that I can only think of one or two artists who could have win by such a margin and most would fall to you!
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 May, 2021, 06:47:48 AM
VOTING CLOSED

And we start getting results for what might be a vital week for Current Team with another win. That's four on the bounce and suddenly Classic Team, still with the lead we mustn't forget is looking over its shoulder as that lead narrows, considerably  and thoughts of this being a romp to victory seem a long time around and they'll need a win soon or this could go a very different way.

As for the result of this vote, well. I'm sure if I let my love for Steve Yeowell mask the love others feel for him, in that I notice and think about when others don't appreciate his work more to try to work out why? Maybe I just over estimate the love for Fraser Irving's work, though there is clearly a lot, as I like it so much? Either way when I did my (rubbish) predictions I had this as an Irving win so the fact that The Mighty Yeowell took this one so comprehensively is a surprise. Though a delight as well.

Current Team 5 : Classic Team 6

Current Team 501: Classic Team 574
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: broodblik on 20 May, 2021, 07:38:14 AM
This is getting closer now and all fairness to the current artists is that they will always fight against the nostalgia factor and also that the classic artists was the first to show use some of the most awesome characters ever to appear in comics
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 May, 2021, 08:03:10 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 20 May, 2021, 07:38:14 AM
This is getting closer now and all fairness to the current artists is that they will always fight against the nostalgia factor and also that the classic artists was the first to show use some of the most awesome characters ever to appear in comics

Yeah I completely agree. The classic artists were also drawing as we were growing (for many of us any way) and learning and shaping what we like in art and what art impresses us. It will be interest to look back when we are done and see how many of the Current winners are artist who have worked through from earlier days?
Title: Re: Steve Yeowell or Fraser Irving - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 11
Post by: TordelBack on 20 May, 2021, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 May, 2021, 08:03:10 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 20 May, 2021, 07:38:14 AM
This is getting closer now and all fairness to the current artists is that they will always fight against the nostalgia factor and also that the classic artists was the first to show use some of the most awesome characters ever to appear in comics

Yeah I completely agree. The classic artists were also drawing as we were growing (for many of us any way) and learning and shaping what we like in art and what art impresses us. It will be interest to look back when we are done and see how many of the Current winners are artist who have worked through from earlier days?

Do I see a far future three-way poll taking shape? Paroled; Lifers; New Fish.