Team Classic vs. Team Current
Only work for Tharg to be Considered
Alan McKenzie is a bit of a controversial character around these parts, but we shouldn't let that distract from how great Summer Magic was (and the whole Luke Kirby series come to that), Brigand Doom helped keep the Prog buoyant during dark times and Soul Gun Warrior was a mercurial delight. All that said when it comes to Pete Milligan we could just say Bad Company BUT his recent work which qualifies him for Team Current, Counterfeit Girl show him as still relevant today.
Oh and on a side note Alan McKenzie is already our second Alan, there are many more to come... I mean it's not relevant but Jez the Alan's are the writers equivalent of Simons for the artists! Ahem... Anyway...
Time for you to decide your favourite as the droids square up to the tee...
Alan McKenzie - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=alanmc)
OR
Peter Milligan - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=peterm)
Remember for this tourney you have 5 votes to distribute as you please between these two artists, whole numbers only. So you can vote 5 - 0; 4 - 1; or 3 - 2; either way depending on how much more you like one artist's work over the other.
If you can't be doing with that just name your favourite - remember bold tags, or other ways of highlighting always appreciated - and I'll give them 3 votes and nowt to the other droid.
Three day votes, so this one ends morning of Thursday 24th June
Remember we only consider work for Tharg in these Tourneys
What the heck is all this about - well we have a thread for that (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47640.msg1062908#msg1062908)
How does this voting work? Look here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47640.msg1063058#msg1063058)
I don't understand how this works, what are the rules of the Solhiem Cup - yep got ya covered there too (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47640.msg1063060#msg1063060)
Anything else just ask and I'll make something up. Most importantly, have fun!
May I be the first to offer Milligan 5, McKenzie 0?
-and I actually quite like a bunch of McKenzie scripts, but I love me some Milligan.
Luke Kirby is an all-time classic, but Brigand Doom and Bradley never did much for me. Then we have Bad Company, Hewligan's Haircut, Freaks, Bix Barton, The Dead - all great.
Alan McKenzie 1, Peter Milligan 4.
5-0 Milligan.
Whisper it quietly but I didn't like Summer Magic.
Now Bad Company...that's another matter.
5 nil to Milligan.
McKenzie 3
Milligan 2
Original Bad Company was fantastic, but the reboots have all been terrible. And I never liked Bix Barton. He gets points for Tribal Memories, but those are immediately removed for Counterfeit Girl- which is my least-favourite strip of the Rebellion years.
McKenzie gets a lead for Luke Kirby, nudges ahead Brigand Doom and scores a winner for Bradley and Vector 13.
SBT
Alan McKenzie 2: Peter Milligan 3
Alan McKenzie 2: Peter Milligan 3
Milligan 5, McK 0
Not the biggest fan of Milligan that this might suggest, but he did decent work on early Bad Company and other one offs, and has a distinctive style that doesnt rub me up the wrong way.
McKenzie has a few OK strips, and a lot of derivative and downright desultory stuff - I'm looking at you, Steelgrave!
4-1 Milligan. So much good Milligan in the prog, even if some of his really, really out-there stuff was reserved for Strange Days.
McKenzie gets a point for Summer Magic and the sequel (although I'm not a fan of the later Luke Kirby books). Despite some nostalgia for Brigand Doom, it really doesn't stand up as much when, unlike my childhood self, you've read V for Vendetta. Did some good future shocks though.
Quote from: credo on 23 June, 2021, 09:43:16 AM
4-1 Milligan. So much good Milligan in the prog, even if some of his really, really out-there stuff was reserved for Strange Days.
McKenzie gets a point for Summer Magic and the sequel (although I'm not a fan of the later Luke Kirby books). Despite some nostalgia for Brigand Doom, it really doesn't stand up as much when, unlike my childhood self, you've read V for Vendetta. Did some good future shocks though.
All of the above - I hadn't read V for Vendetta when I read Brigand Doom, but when the similarities were mentioned on this board, it was a case of 'Aww, come on, now, Alan'.
I wasn't mad about the Summer Magic sequel - for me it was just a less good version of the first one, which itself was, to be fair, as close to perfection as comics get. I did like the Old Straight Track though; it had a lovely tinge of whatever that Portuguese word is that means nostalgia for something that never existed.
I didn't
hate the Sonny Steelgrave Dredds. They were, in my opinion, better than most of the Dredds Garth Ennis and Mark Millar had churned out.
But still... for
Tribal Memories,
Sooner or Later, Hewligan's Haircut (I loved it, anyway),
Shadows and of course
Bad Company up to the third series, it's...
Milligan 4, McKenzie 1.
Surely 4-1 to Mr Milligan. For me this is mainly early Bad Company vs Summer Magic. I thought early Bad Company was rather excellent. I quite liked the recent Zaucer of Zilk too. So, 4-1 it is!
Quote from: DrJomster on 23 June, 2021, 02:11:56 PM
Surely 4-1 to Mr Milligan. For me this is mainly early Bad Company vs Summer Magic. I thought early Bad Company was rather excellent. I quite liked the recent Zaucer of Zilk too. So, 4-1 it is!
Zaucer was either Al Ewing and Peter Hogan on the first and second series respectively.
summer magic outweighed all my other considerations here.
4-1 to alan.
Soul Gun Assassin: a sentient moon recruits a spectral assassin in order to take out a warmongering space bastard who's attempting to profit (in human souls) from an engineered middle eastern war.
Pretty thought-provoking stuff.
On the other hand, in R.A.M. Raiders, the male character keeps dissing his stay-at-home-girlfriend, who poses and pouts in the shower and complains about her damaged footwear before becoming his permanent sex-ghost.
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However much Bad Company ended up literally guffing in our faces [see FOOF! below], it started out as a majestic tour de force of grim sci-fi.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y8p6fWj.png)
Milligan 3 : 2 McKenzie
Milligan 3 McKenzie 2
Milligan 4 : McKenzie 1
Alan McKenzie 2- 3 Peter Milligan
Milligan 4 : McKenzie 1
Alan McKenzie - 2
Peter Milligan -3
McKenzie deserves two points for Luke Kirby, but I'm taking one away for all the other shit he wrote. Milligan: god knows what's going on with Bad Company these days, but much of his other output has been solid.
MilliYESHECAN: 4 // McKenzie: 1
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 June, 2021, 11:50:25 AM
McKenzie deserves two points for Luke Kirby, but I'm taking one away for all the other shit he wrote. Milligan: god knows what's going on with Bad Company these days, but much of his other output has been solid.
MilliYESHECAN: 4 // McKenzie: 1
Classic era Milligan is one of the best.
Milligan
4 / McKenzie
1
Quote from: CalHab on 23 June, 2021, 03:23:30 PM
Zaucer was either Al Ewing and Peter Hogan on the first and second series respectively.
*Looks inside own brain and chastises it for going rogue and making stuff up!*
This one is drawing to a close. Will it be another confident victory for Team Current? Maybe they seem to have a strong start but you still have a day to get your votes in. Counting up in the morning.
As for me well this one is a little tough. The issue isn't who will win but how much to recognise the other writer. I really like a good chunk of what Alan McKenzie did in the Prog. Summer Magic is great I like Brigand Doom and yep Soul Gun Warrior really worked. Pete Milligan outside the Prog I find a bit hit and miss, Tharg however gets the best out of him. Forget Bad Company which we all know is fantastic (including the two most recent series), let's talk Counterfeit Girl, Shadows, The Dead, Sooner and Later, Hewligan's Haircut, Tribal Memories... so many mini classic. I'd like to give him a whitewash I enjoy his work so much BUT...
Alan McKenzie 1 : Pete Milligan 4
The joke has probably shaved a bit of my hair off as it flew over my head, but I just can't stop myself - Pete Milligan didn't write the Soul Gun stuff, did he? He did the first Judge Planet though.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 25 June, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
The joke has probably shaved a bit of my hair off as it flew over my head, but I just can't stop myself - Pete Milligan didn't write the Soul Gun stuff, did he? He did the first Judge Planet though.
Alan McKenzie wrote Soul Gun Warrior, though I could see why someone might think it was Pete Milligan.
VOTING CLOSED
Who wrote what aside there are few suprises here and Pete Milligan took an early lead and never let slip.
This is therefore another easy win for Tream Current, who have early doors run out a fleet of writers who bridge the generations and written in both eras suggesting that this excerise is even more pointless than my normal fare BUT its fun. So the strong strong by Team Current continues and Team Classic need to get going soon or this could be a rout.
Team Current 3 : Team Classic 0
Team Current 199 : Team Classic 101
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 June, 2021, 06:25:55 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 25 June, 2021, 12:52:33 PM
The joke has probably shaved a bit of my hair off as it flew over my head, but I just can't stop myself - Pete Milligan didn't write the Soul Gun stuff, did he? He did the first Judge Planet though.
Alan McKenzie wrote Soul Gun Warrior, though I could see why someone might think it was Pete Milligan.
Ahh. I thought it was Shaky himself who wrote it.