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: Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02
: Colin YNWA 21 July, 2021, 06:27:51 AM
Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02

Next in the Qualifying groups two ties from the Epic Stories Region, Group 1

All you need do is vote for your favourite between:

Outlaw - more info (https://www.starburstmagazine.com/reviews/comic-review-strontium-dog-outlaw)

Vs

 Journey into Hell - more info (http://dreddalert.blogspot.com/2014/07/strontium-dog-journey-into-hell-part-10.html)

Just reply in this thread naming your favourite of these two stories at the beginning of your post (or use Bold tags so I can spot it easy) and say what you like about these wonderful stories after that.

Match ends early on the morning of Saturday 24th July and the winner (I’ll count up who gets the most votes basically) gets 3 points towards qualifying… huh…

… there’s a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F3W5KkY37ZcH39J93nq5hR5_RhPIvaOapv7sZ0EmvUQ/edit?usp=sharing) to make following easier… if you fancy. If not, don’t worry just VOTE!!!!

What on Earth is all this? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47697.msg1064493#msg1064493)

Why (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47696.0) on Tharg’s Earth head are we doing this?

Any questions, just ask as ever - and have FUN!

Oh and my ‘More info’ links… well I don’t say how much more and they get pretty wonky at times!
: Re: Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02
: broodblik 21 July, 2021, 07:38:07 AM
Outlaw
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: Dark Jimbo 21 July, 2021, 08:19:38 AM
I've never much liked Journey into Hell. It's a messy, meandering tale that takes a long time to get nowhere in particular. It very much feels like Wagner was making it up as he went along. I much prefer the 'take two' of Roadhouse, it has to be said. So I'm voting Outlaw for this one.
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: Magnetica 21 July, 2021, 08:46:03 AM
JiH has always felt different to other Stront stories. And not in a good way.

So I’m going for Outlaw.
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: Barrington Boots 21 July, 2021, 08:55:41 AM
Journey into Hell is not a good SD story in my opinion. There's some nice ideas in there but it's meandering and just frankly not all that interesting: I find I always skip it when doing an SD reread.
On the other hand Outlaw is great and gets my vote.
: Re: Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02
: IndigoPrime 21 July, 2021, 09:14:15 AM
Journey into Hell has a very old-school comics vibe, with it just doing stuff. Outlaw feels coherent and considered. Both have their moments, but Outlaw for me wins out by some margin.
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: AlexF 21 July, 2021, 09:17:14 AM
Outlaw is INTERMINABLE. Sure, there's a lot of good stuff in it but even as a reader who only came to it in back progs, it just seemed to go on forever. I like the final showdown with the Stixes though. Journey into Hell, on the other hand, is super weird and fascinating. Sure, it's on odd duck in the Stront Universe but it gave us the Weerd Brothers, possibly my three favourite mutants, and for some reason the whole sequence with Mr Sun and Mr Moon has really lingered with me in the ay nightmares do.

Journey into Hell all the way! Who's with me?
: Re: Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02
: Buttonman 21 July, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
Outlaw for me - felt Journey into Hell took the supernatural elements of Alpha's world and made them a bit silly.
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: Trooper McFad 21 July, 2021, 09:40:45 AM
Outlaw for me
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: sheridan 21 July, 2021, 09:51:24 AM
Journey Into Hell had its moments (including early CB lingo from Wagner) but Outlaw has world-building, Stixes, continuity tie-ins and is more cohesive.
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: sheridan 21 July, 2021, 09:51:41 AM
Journey Into Hell had its moments (including early CB lingo from Wagner) but Outlaw has world-building, Stixes, continuity tie-ins and is more cohesive.

(that's a vote for Outlaw)
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: paddykafka 21 July, 2021, 11:52:41 AM
Journey into Hell.
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: Tjm86 21 July, 2021, 12:01:49 PM
Hmmm, right from the get-go this is a challenge.

Outlaw is one of those 'second generation' tales where the creators were really into their stride.  Classic characters, amazing artwork (even by Ezquerra's high standards), that twist ...

Journey Into Hell by contrast is one of those early tales full of great ideas that doesn't quite hang together completely at times but you have Ezquerra's rendition of Dante's Inferno.  Of all Tooth artwork, pieces from this strip would be on my Grail List.

This is what this cup is going to be like pretty much throughout.  The difference in quality between the two ... I'm going to come down to nostalgia for the decider and plug for Journey Into Hell. 
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: moogie101 21 July, 2021, 12:08:17 PM
Outlaw for me, more because I dislike Journey into Hell than for any other reason.
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: Southstreeter 21 July, 2021, 01:15:10 PM
Outlaw

Never been a fan of JIH. In fact I’ve never been that keen on early Stront. Outlaw follows The Killing in my case files, and it struck me that the hits just kept coming around that period.
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: Timothy 21 July, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
Outlaw all the way.
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: Rogue Judge 21 July, 2021, 04:59:13 PM
Outlaw for me too. I tend to prefer the western and war elements of SD over anything supernatural.

The first time I read JIH (in the SD Files) I didn't love it as much as what came before,  and then certainly not as much as what was to follow. Upon rereading it recently,  I did enjoy it a lot more as there were great character moments for everyone, beautiful artwork, the Gronk skeleton and intensity of the river of fire etc.

However, Outlaw blew my socks off when reading it the first time and it still does!
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: Funt Solo 21 July, 2021, 05:09:16 PM
City of the ... Outlaw.
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: oshii 21 July, 2021, 07:01:41 PM
Journey into Hell

Those colour DPS.
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: Leigh S 21 July, 2021, 11:10:23 PM
Journey Into Hell is iconic - coming to 2000AD a couple of years ater, seeing thatkid who had the 4 horsemen pinted on his bedroom wall in the Sci-Fi Special.  When I finally got to read itm it didnt disappoint!  Stront never looked better than Journey Into Hell

But Outlaw is a culmination of the peak period of Stront that runs from Shicklegruber to erm... Outlaw!

So Outlaw for me
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: DrJomster 22 July, 2021, 12:53:19 PM
Outlaw please, Bob.

JiH is interesting to read as an early strip. It shows a very different early direction. But for me at least, it’s a different genre really to what SD became.
: Re: Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02
: Colin YNWA 23 July, 2021, 06:45:21 AM
Just the one day here so get them votes in and I'll count up tomorrow morning and we'll start to put the table for this group together.

I'm going to say this, and I'll say it without fear... well a bit of fear... I don't like Outlaw. I find it messy and a bit directionless storming chaotically all over the place. Sure The Stix are cool... Now its not as if Journey into Hell doesn't have similar problems but the chaos feels more in place and good God damn those double page spreads are astonishing and so on that basis:

Journey into Hell
: Re: Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02
: Colin YNWA 24 July, 2021, 07:35:36 AM
VOTING CLOSED

To be honest I thought this would be the first vote woth some real fight in it but that me just projecting my views on these two and in the end there wasn't much competition.

Outlaw 15 : Journey into Hell 5

Rage                       3   17
Outlaw                    3    10
Journey into Hell  0  -10
Judgement Day    0   -17
: Re: Outlaw v Journey into Hell - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic: Game 02
: Dog Deever 28 July, 2021, 01:52:11 AM
I would have voted Outlaw over Journey- both are brilliant, Outlaw is brillianter.
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: Magnetica 30 July, 2021, 02:29:22 PM
Outlaw
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: Rogue Judge 31 July, 2021, 06:43:40 AM
Outlaw by a margin for me too. I like the fun that is JiH but compared to the epic that is Outlaw it's no match. It has all of the great supporting characters (Wulf, Middendface, the War generals etc.), the Stix Brothers, and this time Johnny was the bounty.

Now I need to re-read it again...these polls tend to do that to me, make me want to go back and re-read each of these (although I re-read most of SD over the Christmas).