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Title: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 November, 2021, 06:27:33 AM
Week 6 and, brace yourself, we get over the half way marker in Round 1... yes when I said this was the biggest of these things yet I wasn't messing about! We're not even half way... in Round 1... and Round 2 is bigger than Round 1 before you get your hopes up... we're in for the long haul here folks!

Great example of why this tourney is so interesting. These thrills feel at opposite ends of the thrill spectrum to me, in terms of tone at least. One very dour and earnest, the other while dark madcap and chaotic. All that matters of course - aside from your pony - is...

Which most rattles your thrill-receptors:

Breathing Space - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=BREATH)

Vs.

Clown - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=CLOWN)

Just reply in this thread naming your favourite thrill of these two series at the beginning of your post (or use Bold tags so I can spot it easily) and say what you like about these wonderful stories after that.

Match ends early on the morning of Friday 3rd December and the winner gets a place in Round 2 (of 9!!!).

What on Earth is ALL of this? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=48011.0)

For those that need 'um and can be bothered to follow 'um there's some simple rules (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=48011.msg1070150#msg1070150)

Any questions, just ask as ever - and have FUN!
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: broodblik on 30 November, 2021, 06:28:32 AM
Breathing Space
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: abelardsnazz on 30 November, 2021, 07:41:53 AM
Breathing Space. The Clown just feels like an oddity, even in Tooth's varied history.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: AlexF on 30 November, 2021, 09:02:17 AM
Dammit, the Clown. Yes, the second series is barely readable, and yes it's all a bit silly. But the art in Book 1 is SO GOOD, and I kinda like the skewering of pretentious comics writing in Book 1, too. 'Murder clowns' is like the lowest on the rung of horror monsters, but it's still a rung I like to climb sometimes. Wonder if Tharg would ever dare try it again?

I do actually rather like Breathing Space, too, but it's another story about a Judge who was clearly not fit to be a Judge in the first place. That Justice Dept Academy needs to hire some WAY better psychologists.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Link Prime on 30 November, 2021, 09:43:07 AM
Breathing Space was pretty good, but never lived up to the weight of the initial build-up if I recall.

I'll vote a wild card here - I would re-read The Clown this morning if presented with the choice.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 30 November, 2021, 10:15:13 AM
absolutely loved the elliptical breathing space.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Timothy on 30 November, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
Breathing space
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: credo on 30 November, 2021, 11:22:20 AM
I just dug out the progs to remind myself of The Clown (well, the first series, at least). It's like a ridiculous parody of '90s comic violence. It's so utterly, utterly stupid that it's either written by someone who is attempting to copy comic book writing of the time based on what they've been told in the pub while drunk, or it's an unrecognised piece of ultra-dry comedic brilliance (maybe both).

I had also remembered the art as '90s painting with mud stuff, but it's actually all very colourful and expressive.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: rogue69 on 30 November, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
The Clown
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 November, 2021, 12:40:30 PM
I came here expecting to vote for Breathing Space, but Link Prime made me realise that, if presented with both series right now, I would absolutely read The Clown over BS.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Southstreeter on 30 November, 2021, 01:32:01 PM
Never liked the Clown, horrible 90s stuff. Breathing Space I remember being ok.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Funt Solo on 30 November, 2021, 03:20:06 PM
I liked The Clown - art and manic story of insane revenge - but I really rated the noir of Breathing Space.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Magnetica on 30 November, 2021, 07:27:20 PM
Breathing Space.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: NapalmKev on 30 November, 2021, 08:12:46 PM
The Clown.

Cheers
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 November, 2021, 09:39:46 PM
As I said on the other thread both of the match-ups today are really defying my expectations by being pretty close which I wasn't expecting and I adore that and the diverse options we have here. Keep on keepin' on you fine folks!
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Blue Cactus on 30 November, 2021, 11:45:50 PM
Breathing Space is a neat wee thriller, nice and moody. I do have a soft spot for The Clown though. Still feel bad about [spoiler]Tony[/spoiler]. Some of the art was at the better end of the painted spectrum too. It was running when I returned to the prog after a few years away and I hadn't seen much painted comic art before, and found it pretty striking. It's got some flaws, sure, but I do have a soft spot for The Clown.

The Clown
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 December, 2021, 06:27:52 AM
Really not sure which way this is going. We might live in a world, when I count up tomorrow morning that both The Clown and Trash win into Round 2. Only your votes today can prevent that from happening.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 December, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
I thought The Clown was unreadable garbage at the time and an excellent example of 2000 AD's editors not caring, as long as a strip looked good. I've re-read the first series since and didn't change my mind at all. Breathing Space is no classic, but it's good enough to win here, in my view.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Huey2 on 02 December, 2021, 06:27:56 PM
The Clown
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 December, 2021, 06:31:13 AM
VOTING CLOSED

Well you wait for ages for a tie and then two come along at once! Blow me this one was a tie too. And again its equally easy for me to decide. Breathing Space is over earnst, gets a little muddly at times but is a solid thrill. The Clown alas is a nasty mess. Has nothing interesting to say and for me the art isn't even that great. So I have no problem proclaiming

Breathing Space

The winner here and march comfortably into the 2nd round
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: broodblik on 03 December, 2021, 06:54:35 AM
What is for me more interesting is that we all remember the dark ages of the prog  which we all bemoan the contents of the prog but when it comes to voting a lot of these dark time strips garner a lot of votes – so was it really the dark ages of the prog?
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 December, 2021, 07:24:20 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 03 December, 2021, 06:54:35 AM
What is for me more interesting is that we all remember the dark ages of the prog  which we all bemoan the contents of the prog but when it comes to voting a lot of these dark time strips garner a lot of votes – so was it really the dark ages of the prog?

Though to be fair that is often against some of the weaker strips from other times, but yeah there has been a lot more support for strips than I was expecting.

I guess though different folks enjoy different strips and so as with all things 2000ad there will be a diverse set of votes. I reckon fans of different strip during this time are spread long and thin. It also doesn't take into account there were many great strips to counter balance the mediocore to bad ones. Even Dredd was on a lull during those days much of the time. Strontium Dog, Nemesis has all but finished. Dante and Sinister Dexter hadn't started. So while one end of quality was spreading the better end wasn't.

Still as you look at it strip to strip there seems fans of everything.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: broodblik on 03 December, 2021, 07:41:53 AM
Yes it is true that these early round the "newer" strips is not that strong but still the support for some of the most weaker ones of the 90s is a surprise.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 December, 2021, 08:10:05 AM
Despite voting for The Clown, there's not a doubt in my mind that the best thrill won through!
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: AlexF on 03 December, 2021, 08:26:52 AM
What Dark Jimbo said.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Link Prime on 03 December, 2021, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 03 December, 2021, 06:54:35 AM
so was it really the dark ages of the prog?

Nah.
Title: Re: Forum’s Favourite Thrill - Breathing Space vs Clown - Rd 1 Heat 44
Post by: Blue Cactus on 03 December, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 03 December, 2021, 08:10:05 AM
Despite voting for The Clown, there's not a doubt in my mind that the best thrill won through!

Heh heh likewise!