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Yet *another* reason not to buy a PS3: Lumbered for eternity with games you've completed or don't like.

Link: Corporate suicide!

It would be a laugh to see them try to enforce that on ebay. The standard way round it is to sell a bottle top or something with a free PS3 game. Greedy corporate bastards.

Ahhhh...

'www.GAMESRADAR.com'

And it all becomes clear...

yea, i am sure no kids in the playground will ever swap games !!!

is it legal to swap games as opposed to sell them, i doubt very much that such a transaction would be illegal

And it all becomes clear...

Erm... I'm obviously missing something here.

My brother is a regular on the site, and the amount of bile and bullshit is legendary.  He actually mentioned that story to me and maintains that it's a bit of a fib - though if that were the case, it sounds libelous to me.

If that's true it'll be a blow to the shops, they make a lot more of the 2nd hand stuff apparently.

I've gone from being pro-sony, via indifferent, to all the way to f-em.  The price on the PS3 is just stupid, and everything else seems to get worse from there.

They say they can't use the Dual Shock because it interferes with the tilt sensor, which may be the case, but the truth is they couldn't use it if they wanted to because they lost a law suit to the people they stole the technology from. Allegedly.

IIRC, this story cropped up last year and was denied by Sony at the time. It's not clear whether this is just that same story making a reappearance or not, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sony were actually looking at something like this - given the recent fiasco over the nasty software they were leaving on audio CDs I wouldn't put this past them.

The secondhand market has been a bit of a thorn in the side of games companies for a while, but I think they have to look at a better solution than trying to kill it off entirely.

Keef --

Heh, quite. Unfortunately for Sony, their claim that rumble had been dropped because it interfered with the motion sensors came right before everyone got a chance to try out Wii games at E3 - on a motion-sensitive controller complete with rumble :-)

It may well be the case that Sony's particular way of implementing motion-sensitivity is susceptible to rumble, but it does seem a tad odd that rumble was dropped just after they lost a legal battle against Immersion, the company whose rumble tech they ripped off...

given the recent fiasco over the nasty software they were leaving on audio CDs

Tell me about it. Earlier in the week, Cait told me that a load of games on her PC were strangely deleted as soon as she put a Bowling for Soup cd in the drive. I had a look on the back of the jewel case... Lo and Behold! A BMG logo! Twats.

I heard about this a while ago, think it may well be true.

Sony are utter wankers, so are Microsoft. Whats new?
I wouldn't have a PS3 unless you paid me (and gave me some games). It will probably break down a couple of months after the 1 year warranty is up. Just like all of their cheap lousy machines.

So what about Car Boots and the like where you can freely sell your unwanted items. Are Sony telling the public that they can't re-sell the games?As if anyone will take notice!!! Ha Ha F... 'em is what I say too!!

One way to curb the second hand game market would be to not charge so much for new games in the first place.

?40 for a new game is taking the piss, especially i the game turns out to be pants.

Case in point, my 8 year old autistic son completed the Ice Age 2 game in two days. TWO DAYS!!

Thae game had absolutely no thought put into it whatsoever and is clearly a means of making money.

I complained to the software company about the ease in which that game is finished but wouldn't you know, have yet to get a reply.

And what software were Sony putting on the mucis CD's?

And what software were Sony putting on the mucis CD's?

One of these for a start.

Rootkits!!! Man that is sick . Why not prod the consumer with a Tazer Stick for good measure . Or how about earpods  a la Dr Who! We shall all be one.......all are one......Consume... Conform ...Make Love..Be happy.
We need some special sunglasses to usurp the protagonists!!

A computer with a rootkit on it is called a rooted computer


that's funny - the person who came up with that is obviously not Australian. Or perhaps they are....is a rooted computer completely bloody rooted?

anyway, I don't buy games but Sony sound as if they can get rooted

Link: wouldn't it root your boot?

Well the rumour I read about at the weekend was that the PS3 will actually burn the consoles code onto the gamedisk. So you wont be able to use it on any other machine. This makes swapping/renting/second hand deals impossible. Apparently this rumour was knocked back at last E3 but Sony refused to comment this year.

Another thing I read was that one of the Sony spokesmen said the price didn't matter as they could charge $1000 for a console with NO games and they would still sell a million units thanks to the fanboys.

If you put on Roddy's sunglasses and looked at a playstation I wonder what you would see?

Would he still have to fight the wrestling marathon with the CEO of Sony?

In an alleyway.

He would see a plain white box adorned with the words "feed me money".

I didn't know that about the rootkit.  That's lousy.  I pictured the PS3 to be a reliable workhorse rather than anything especially creative or outstanding - an Xbox 360, basically.  Not in love with all the stuff coming to light about the price, the attitude to gamers, etc.  Probably shooting themselves in the foot with all these rumours coming out as the launch approaches - they can't all be attributed to anti-marketing by Microsoft, so there's probably a great deal that needs to be clarified and expanded upon before the machine hits shops.  I shan't be bothering for a while, as I've learned my lesson with the 360.  based on the games I've played, how much gametime I've logged, and how disappointed I was by PDZ, I'd have to say it was a pretty shite machine.

Quite looking forward to Wii Zelda and Phoenix Wright, though - helped in no small way by the assurance that the machine will be available "cheap, and this year".

...and "cheap" could be very fucking cheap, as Japanese retailers are listing it for just under the yen equivalent of US$150. This may not turn out to be lower than Nintendo are intending, but they have repeatedly told the games media that it will be below US$250, and to look to their previous consoles for an indication of what Nintendo consider a reasonable launch price (the N64 and GameCube both came in at US$199) so a price in the $150 isn't too far-fetched. Add to this their stated aim of "disrupting the market" and the relatively low-spec hardware in the console itself, and it could just be that they're really going to go for such a low opening price.

Umpty --

I can sympathise with your problems with price. ?30-35 is the maximum I'm prepared to pay for a brand-new game (I will go higher in the case of titles like Guitar Hero or Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat which come with peripherals), but the top end just seems set to increase this generation - game prices of ?40-50 seem pretty much certain for the Xbox 360 and PS3. If developers can't find a way to bring costs under control during development, and publishers can't offer games to the consumer at a reasonable price, I can certainly see major problems not far down the line.

I've found the 360 an excellent and well designed machine, albeit with a lack of games early on.

For me though Oblivion and GRAW have made it a must own.

I find the marketplace ace, i often play demo's rather than buy full games.

Arcade is fantastic and has loads of easy to get into games.

I also love the PC integration.

Overall i am very happy.

I think it's the most functional console there has ever been and, now the games are flowing, there are plenty of great games.

The new Table Tennis game is ace too.

"I've found the 360 an excellent and well designed machine, albeit with a lack of games early on. "

I am not a hardcore gamer. I have a PS2. I have Black. I am happy.

That is all.

Cheers

Jim

I'm really happy with my 360, have played some fantastic games on it(Condemned was amazing)and while they haven't brought anything out for a couple of months that I would buy, there's some great looking stuff coming out in later in the year. I think it's brawsome, and while I might give the PS3 a bash when it comes out if it's not much different to the 360(which it doesn't seem to be graphics wise at least) then I'm not going to be bothered to buy it.

Black is indeed great.. even more so in 720P on the 360.

Am I the only person who doesn't care about lack of rumble on the Dual Shock 3? When I first heard about it, I was actually a bit pleased.

Satanist -I heard this rumour too. But you're in the glasgow area too right? Probably heard it off the same guy...



-hex

Bloke down the pub told me...so it must be true!

;-D

Are you kidding?  Err, I think I had a rant about this down the pub to some guy...

-hex

Prescott is 'Right for the job'?

Oh wait, i gwet it it's some kind of spoof, right?


:)

"Black is indeed great.. even more so in 720P on the 360."

This, as Midge Ure once sang, means nothing to me ...

However, give me more shootykilldeathaction than you can shake an AK47 at, and I'm happy.

Puzzle solving? Role playing? Any game where you have to make fucking _notes_ to keep track of where you've been and what you've done and what relevance any of it has? Fuck off.

Shootykilldeathaction. Oh, yes.

Alternatively, thumpykickfacefighting will do me. Old fart that I am, I still haven't come across a beat 'em up that entertains me as much as Tekken 3 ...

Cheers

Jim

I'd go for the PS3, then.  I thought the 360 would be reliable on the shooty-shooty front at least, but the pig-ugly graphics and gameplay of Perfect Dark Zero made me feel like the purchase of the machine itself was a waste.  I actually dug out Mace Griffin and played that instead.

There was something in the papers along the same lines either earlier this year or late last year. At that time, it was the publishing houses who were complaining about walking into Game and seeing their new games on sale for half the price.

I think the thought that somebody can walk into a second hand record shop, purchase a prefectly legitimate copy of - say - Madonna's Greatest Hits and they don't get a pennyiss probably something that keeps executives of all media companies awake at night (well, when they're not fulminating at the thought of teenage file-sharing networks stealing the cornflakes from their offspring's gold-encrusted bowls.)

And wasn't the rootkit thing only in the US?

Yeah, but Perfect Dark Zero was Rare & it stunk like most of their recent titles. Hold off for stuff like Gears of War before jumping off the 360 shooty-shooty action bandwagon.

To be honest, if you bought a 360 not long after it launched I'm not surprised you thought it was a waste - high defect rates, duff port-ups from current-gen, bland exclusive titles... It's only now that the system is getting any interesting games, and it's going to be a while yet before the real showcase exclusives turn up. Poor launch all round, IMO.

Then I meant to add that surely that's partly what the desire for advanced DRM in next-generation media (limiting the number of devices a given copy can be played on and so forth) is about.

To summarise: they're all a bunch of Cretinous Useless Negligible Tossers, as Mr Agreeable had it.

"I'd go for the PS3, then. I thought the 360 would be reliable on the shooty-shooty front at least, but the pig-ugly graphics and gameplay of Perfect Dark Zero made me feel like the purchase of the machine itself was a waste. I actually dug out Mace Griffin and played that instead."

Have you tried GRAW to see how it can look and play?