Title: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 05:31:07 PM
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 05:31:07 PM
Dear Tharg
Someone recently asked for a book of Classic cover, which got me thinking
Please, please, please can we also have a book (Or even as a feature in the Meg) of Classic scripts?
The selection of scripts on the web site is paltry to say the least and although good are hardly classic (Bad Mother?)
You could print the script, including the writers opinions of what worked and then the strip with artists comments.
I for one would find it interesting to see how well known stories were written and then interpreted by the artist.
Amongst the scripts I would like to see include the following:
Pat Mills: Judge Whitey script (With amendments)
Any of the early Nemesis scripts particularly Book 4:Gothic Empire
Judge Dredd: Blood of Satanus (With references to Dredd?s girlfriend included)
Return of Rico
John Wagner: America, Judge Death, Buggo, The Fink etc. (Too many to mention)
Grant Morrison: Zenith
Alan Moore: Halo Jones, Time Twisters etc.
Gerry Finlay-Day (Complete with typos and Alan Grant?s amendments)
Gordon Rennie: Any (Missionary Man, Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper) bar Witch World
Robbie Morrison: Nikolai Dante
Anyone else thinks this is a good idea say yey-us.
Someone recently asked for a book of Classic cover, which got me thinking
Please, please, please can we also have a book (Or even as a feature in the Meg) of Classic scripts?
The selection of scripts on the web site is paltry to say the least and although good are hardly classic (Bad Mother?)
You could print the script, including the writers opinions of what worked and then the strip with artists comments.
I for one would find it interesting to see how well known stories were written and then interpreted by the artist.
Amongst the scripts I would like to see include the following:
Pat Mills: Judge Whitey script (With amendments)
Any of the early Nemesis scripts particularly Book 4:Gothic Empire
Judge Dredd: Blood of Satanus (With references to Dredd?s girlfriend included)
Return of Rico
John Wagner: America, Judge Death, Buggo, The Fink etc. (Too many to mention)
Grant Morrison: Zenith
Alan Moore: Halo Jones, Time Twisters etc.
Gerry Finlay-Day (Complete with typos and Alan Grant?s amendments)
Gordon Rennie: Any (Missionary Man, Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper) bar Witch World
Robbie Morrison: Nikolai Dante
Anyone else thinks this is a good idea say yey-us.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: CraveNoir on 14 August, 2003, 05:46:45 PM
Post by: CraveNoir on 14 August, 2003, 05:46:45 PM
An excellent idea. I don't know about a book, but I'd be happy to see more on the site.
I'd love to see the complete scripts for The Midnight Surfer, and the first appearance of Judge Death.
I'd love to see the complete scripts for The Midnight Surfer, and the first appearance of Judge Death.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Devons Daddy on 14 August, 2003, 06:06:53 PM
Post by: Devons Daddy on 14 August, 2003, 06:06:53 PM
yes i would agree with this. it may be a great way to see the movie in your mind to coin a phrase.
i would defintely buy this.
put me down for a copy.
any news if the extented TPO will ever see print then?
i would defintely buy this.
put me down for a copy.
any news if the extented TPO will ever see print then?
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Trout on 14 August, 2003, 06:18:19 PM
Post by: Trout on 14 August, 2003, 06:18:19 PM
I wouldn't be interested.
I've read bits of scripts printed in the back of American GNs, out of curiousity, but wouldn't buy a book of scripts only.
- Trout
I've read bits of scripts printed in the back of American GNs, out of curiousity, but wouldn't buy a book of scripts only.
- Trout
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Oddboy on 14 August, 2003, 06:37:46 PM
Post by: Oddboy on 14 August, 2003, 06:37:46 PM
I'd much rather spend money on comic books after they've finished putting the artwork in too.
Script books are on the whole DULL. I have a few lurking around for various things (Blackadder, Red Dwarf, A Life Less Ordinary, MacBeth*) but I find watching the show/film/going to the theatre is much better then reading the scripts.
Script books are on the whole DULL. I have a few lurking around for various things (Blackadder, Red Dwarf, A Life Less Ordinary, MacBeth*) but I find watching the show/film/going to the theatre is much better then reading the scripts.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 14 August, 2003, 06:44:28 PM
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 14 August, 2003, 06:44:28 PM
At this point Logan will enter and point out that John Wagner probably doesn't have scripts for comics that were published this year, let alone decades ago...
Title: Rose tinted spectacles......
Post by: La Mer on 14 August, 2003, 06:56:47 PM
Post by: La Mer on 14 August, 2003, 06:56:47 PM
My mammoth re-read is now in the late 900's.... and boy, i must be down to reading just Dredd and Slaine!!
Having not re-read them for many a year, i suddenly realise why i stopped buying it at thew time, namely -
grudgfather
Kid Cyborg
Vector 13
Steve white scripted Rogue trooper
Flesh
B.l.a.i.r one
god, inspector raam was bad enough, but these? they sucked the big one....
Can I just stand up and defend Time Flies tho? read back thru some of the posts, and its seems not a lot of people liked this, but i found quite clever and funny.....
Having not re-read them for many a year, i suddenly realise why i stopped buying it at thew time, namely -
grudgfather
Kid Cyborg
Vector 13
Steve white scripted Rogue trooper
Flesh
B.l.a.i.r one
god, inspector raam was bad enough, but these? they sucked the big one....
Can I just stand up and defend Time Flies tho? read back thru some of the posts, and its seems not a lot of people liked this, but i found quite clever and funny.....
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: frazer on 14 August, 2003, 07:14:29 PM
Post by: frazer on 14 August, 2003, 07:14:29 PM
No david, that's my job.
Yes, all the writer's i've ever spoken to said they used to type em, sell em, then chuck em.
certain individuals even deleted the files on the computers when they made the transition to the modern world, so i doubt any "classic" scripts are kicking around.
F
Yes, all the writer's i've ever spoken to said they used to type em, sell em, then chuck em.
certain individuals even deleted the files on the computers when they made the transition to the modern world, so i doubt any "classic" scripts are kicking around.
F
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 07:16:13 PM
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 07:16:13 PM
That's another good idea wrecked then!
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: davidbishop on 14 August, 2003, 07:43:41 PM
Post by: davidbishop on 14 August, 2003, 07:43:41 PM
When I left the 2000 AD office three years ago still lurking in the files was an envelope containing all bar one of Alan Moore's scripts for Halo Jones Book 3.
davidbishop
davidbishop
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 07:48:51 PM
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 07:48:51 PM
The ideas back on!
Nice one Bish-Op
Nice one Bish-Op
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: JamieB on 14 August, 2003, 08:42:06 PM
Post by: JamieB on 14 August, 2003, 08:42:06 PM
Great as Alan's scripts are, that's really not enough material to do a book - and Frazer's spot-on about the other scripts not being available.
J-Bo-1
J-Bo-1
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 08:46:49 PM
Post by: Rio De Fideldo on 14 August, 2003, 08:46:49 PM
Bah!
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: paulvonscott on 14 August, 2003, 08:49:35 PM
Post by: paulvonscott on 14 August, 2003, 08:49:35 PM
A feature in TPO would be good with one example script shown (condensed to take up a couple of pages maybe at most) and then some chat and nonsense about it, see if we can get any sketches and the like. The problem with doing Alan Moore is that the bearded hoo-ha merchant won't talk about it. Mind you Ian Gibson's an interesting enough chap to cover it, get the editor in and some others.
On that subject, would it be possible to get Steve McManus to do a series of features, or at least interviews. I've always enjoyed listening to him rattle on and I'd love to hear about everything from Action Man to being a Ddroid for tharg.
On that subject, would it be possible to get Steve McManus to do a series of features, or at least interviews. I've always enjoyed listening to him rattle on and I'd love to hear about everything from Action Man to being a Ddroid for tharg.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: ukdane on 15 August, 2003, 03:28:34 AM
Post by: ukdane on 15 August, 2003, 03:28:34 AM
I've got a script Pat Mills sent me for (one part of) an Accident Man story.
I'd like to see Lobster Random's script...Si?
I'd like to see Lobster Random's script...Si?
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: opaque on 15 August, 2003, 05:29:57 AM
Post by: opaque on 15 August, 2003, 05:29:57 AM
They could always be added as extra to any future reprints (along with any sketches etc), bit late for a few though of course. Would be nice to maybe see a couple up on the site maybe.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: OldOne on 15 August, 2003, 08:13:50 AM
Post by: OldOne on 15 August, 2003, 08:13:50 AM
I've got the original script to Judge Dredd: Attack of the Sex Crazed Love Dolls from prog 1066 (the sex issue)
It's a cracker, the strip itself having been drawn by Greg Staples (from whom I got the script) and written as a full-scale Wagnum Opus.
It's got some great little working sketches by Greg (great to compare to the finished piece) and an internal memo from 2000AD editorial (that's you, Bish-Op, in this case!) about an impending page-size increase.
If people would be interested in seeing it I'll gladly scan the pages and send them to anywhere that people can see them from... Wake in this case I guess?
It's a cracker, the strip itself having been drawn by Greg Staples (from whom I got the script) and written as a full-scale Wagnum Opus.
It's got some great little working sketches by Greg (great to compare to the finished piece) and an internal memo from 2000AD editorial (that's you, Bish-Op, in this case!) about an impending page-size increase.
If people would be interested in seeing it I'll gladly scan the pages and send them to anywhere that people can see them from... Wake in this case I guess?
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 15 August, 2003, 05:37:12 PM
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 15 August, 2003, 05:37:12 PM
Having read one entire script (The Bouncy Brats Heist, which I was sent by the Megazine for some reason), I`d have to say noooo thank you. One script plus sketches/comments might be interesting somewhere, but generally I`d rather read the finished product.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 August, 2003, 05:37:13 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 August, 2003, 05:37:13 PM
Original script, is there such a thing these days? The writer types it up, e-mails it to the office, the office e-mails it to the artist he prints it off.
Was sat a convention once chatting to Alan Grant and it must have been an auction of some kind and one of the lots was a signed script, can?t remember who by. After a tentative start the thing went for ?15 or something like that. Alan couldn?t believe it and reckoned if he set his printer to print off a load, sign them then flog them for a couple of quid each it?d be the easiest money maker ever.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Was sat a convention once chatting to Alan Grant and it must have been an auction of some kind and one of the lots was a signed script, can?t remember who by. After a tentative start the thing went for ?15 or something like that. Alan couldn?t believe it and reckoned if he set his printer to print off a load, sign them then flog them for a couple of quid each it?d be the easiest money maker ever.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 August, 2003, 05:45:22 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 August, 2003, 05:45:22 PM
>At this point Logan will enter and point out that John Wagner probably doesn't have scripts for comics that were published this year, let alone decades ago...
John Wagner probably doesn't have scripts for comics that were published this year, let alone decades ago...
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
John Wagner probably doesn't have scripts for comics that were published this year, let alone decades ago...
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: GordonR on 15 August, 2003, 05:56:13 PM
Post by: GordonR on 15 August, 2003, 05:56:13 PM
>>John Wagner probably doesn't have scripts for comics that were published this year, let alone decades ago...
Him, and everyone else.
I delete a script as soon as the story's been published. After rigorously comparing the two to see where the bastard artist/editor/colourist/letterer has messed it all up, of course.
A script's just a stage to getting to the finished article. Once the thing's been published, what's the point of the script?
Him, and everyone else.
I delete a script as soon as the story's been published. After rigorously comparing the two to see where the bastard artist/editor/colourist/letterer has messed it all up, of course.
A script's just a stage to getting to the finished article. Once the thing's been published, what's the point of the script?
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Woolly on 15 August, 2003, 06:23:18 PM
Post by: Woolly on 15 August, 2003, 06:23:18 PM
As a budding artist (budding = not very good) i think theyed be great to work from.
But then again, if theyve already been done and printed, unused originals would be a better idea.
But if the idea was never used, then its probably crap, and whats the point of drawing that?
Im starting to confuse myself...
...I'll get me coat...
But then again, if theyve already been done and printed, unused originals would be a better idea.
But if the idea was never used, then its probably crap, and whats the point of drawing that?
Im starting to confuse myself...
...I'll get me coat...
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 August, 2003, 06:40:40 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 August, 2003, 06:40:40 PM
>Pat Mills: Judge Whitey script (With amendments)
You could read the script for the story that should have appeared before Judge Whitey in the Thrill Viewer section of this site, or jump straight to the ?Courtroom? strip or the Script.
You might find the odd old script but doubt if there are many that have survived from the days of the typewriter. I?ve got some John Wagner and Alan Grant scripts on my hard drive, will dig them out and if there?s anything Wakes not got I?ll send to him to add to the site.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
You could read the script for the story that should have appeared before Judge Whitey in the Thrill Viewer section of this site, or jump straight to the ?Courtroom? strip or the Script.
You might find the odd old script but doubt if there are many that have survived from the days of the typewriter. I?ve got some John Wagner and Alan Grant scripts on my hard drive, will dig them out and if there?s anything Wakes not got I?ll send to him to add to the site.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 15 August, 2003, 08:39:28 PM
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 15 August, 2003, 08:39:28 PM
"A script's just a stage to getting to the finished article. Once the thing's been published, what's the point of the script?"
For the person who wrote it, there's not much point in keeping the script - as you say, it's a part of a process that results in the finished article.
However, to the budding writer or artist, a script can be a useful insight into how the process works. True, you're going to find out a lot of this stuff yourself by trial and error, but being able to look at how the guys who do this for a living go about it is always interesting, and often instructive.
For the person who wrote it, there's not much point in keeping the script - as you say, it's a part of a process that results in the finished article.
However, to the budding writer or artist, a script can be a useful insight into how the process works. True, you're going to find out a lot of this stuff yourself by trial and error, but being able to look at how the guys who do this for a living go about it is always interesting, and often instructive.
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: JamieB on 15 August, 2003, 10:15:37 PM
Post by: JamieB on 15 August, 2003, 10:15:37 PM
Still available: WRITERS ON COMIC SCRIPTWRITING from Titan Books, featuring scripts & extracts from Warren Ellis, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Garth Ennis...
J-Bo-1
J-Bo-1
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: Art on 15 August, 2003, 10:37:40 PM
Post by: Art on 15 August, 2003, 10:37:40 PM
However, to the budding writer or artist, a script can be a useful insight into how the process works.
Yeah, but surely once you've seen one or two you've seen them all?
Yeah, but surely once you've seen one or two you've seen them all?
Title: Re: 2000 ad script book
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 16 August, 2003, 01:49:49 AM
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 16 August, 2003, 01:49:49 AM
"Yeah, but surely once you've seen one or two you've seen them all?"
Pretty much, yes.
I'm certainly not arguing for the publication of *more* scripts - I'd say that the material currently available is enough for anyone interested in learning about the process of creating a comic, or even just interested in learning how to lay out a script, what directions to use, etc.
Pretty much, yes.
I'm certainly not arguing for the publication of *more* scripts - I'd say that the material currently available is enough for anyone interested in learning about the process of creating a comic, or even just interested in learning how to lay out a script, what directions to use, etc.