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: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 22 May, 2007, 05:28:00 PM

   I posted this story to someone last night who asked to hear it so i thought i would post it here just to see what reaction it got so here goes.

 This happened in a place called St.Helens Woods in hastings .I used to live there in St.helens Wood Road which is on the doorstep.This happened about 10 years ago .

     Myself and 2 friends decdided to go for a nightwalk up to the woods as was the case sometimes. It was summer ,warm and very still.

   We went to a place called the Black Pond which is in a field with a circle of oak trees in it which are very old indeed.The whole place just feels very old and mysterious and is my favourite place to go to there.It is next to two very old trackways.

          Moving on to the event:     We had been in the field for about 45 minutes when we sat down under one of the trees.We were in the middle of the field facing upwards to the higher end of the field which ended with a very old iron fence and woods the other side. I think it was just after midnight by now.  After a while i noticed something moving up by the fence on the other side of it.So i watched it as i was very curious by now as to what it was.It seemed to be very large and obviously a dog and quite stocky.A bit like a rottwieller and roughly about twice the size or more.It had quite short hair that was jet black. Now,those eyes,they were glowing a sort of dark orange colour.Although they glowed,no light shone out of them at all.If you want to scare yourself a bit then light 2 cigerettes,turn all the lights off,look at the burning ends of them and it will give you an idea of what they looked like in the dark.      It was moving about a lot for about 10 minutes and it seemed to be watching us as it was moving up and down and loking at us inbetween the bars in the fence.After another few minutes it just seemed to disapear or maybe we just couldnt see it anymore.We were sitting about 50- 70 feet away from it when it was there.           So i said to the others "did you see what i just saw?' to which James said yes. So i asked what that was.  He then described exactly the same as what i had seen.  I didnt say a word about anything while it was happening as i was too busy watching it.  Steve who was also there didnt see anything at all and was unaware of anything.
We left very shortly after and went back to mine just down the road.
  I didnt feel scared at all when i saw it, more curious really although i am in no doubt it was demonic in nature.  It is what is known as an Elemental .  These sightings are never common,in fact they are very rare indeed, but there are recoreded sightings of these things all over the british isles.         I hope this all doesnt sound too wierd for some boarders.Take the piss if you like , but i know what i am talking about.  
: Re: spooky story
: Byron Virgo 22 May, 2007, 05:52:53 PM
Actually, that was probably some sort of woodland animal - should be able to work out what it was by which the colour their eyes glowed in the dark.

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: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 22 May, 2007, 06:37:06 PM


   Yes thanks for that as that is the logical conclusion for someone to arrive at.  This is not the case this time, as this was as i said something supernatural .believe it or not.take it or leave it.       I am not the type who would make this stuff up .I will try and find you some more information as this is a recognised phenomena to those in the know.  google "black Dogs" and you can look for yourself although one website was down the other night when i tried to look.I am going to try again now.
                                                       regards.
                                                                       Peter.

                     
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: Peter Wolf 22 May, 2007, 07:06:42 PM
   

       This account is actually going to be published on a website . I would hardly be doing that if i wasnt certain about the validity of this sighting.      I will provide the link to the website shortly.    I have a lot of experience in this sort of thing .

           As a slightly sad side story, one of those present [james], who i used to know at school,always was slightly odd, slowly went a bit mad in the end in the years that followed this sighting. He was psycic which i had no doubt about,but he became more and more involved in occult wierdness of which there is a lot of in Hastings.   I have always stayed away from anything like that although i do know a bit about it.   So anyway i would see James sometimes in the town looking like a dirty tramp.A complete mess.  On the final time that i saw James , i went to where he lived which was a dirty bedsit.  The whole room was full of stuff from floor to ceiling ,and he kept 3 hamsters in cages, it was a bit like being in some wierd pet shop and it stank as James never opened any windows. He hasnt been seen by anyone for a while now [3-4 years]so noone knows what has happened.  He may even be dead or something or sectioned.  Who knows.  very sad as before he lost the plot he was one of the most interesting peole i knew.    I may try to contact his family  maybe or i may just let it go.   Allegedly the Black Dogs precede death or misfortune.    I cant say for sure.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 22 May, 2007, 09:14:42 PM


          As a further aside to my last post if anyone is intersted still  I mentioned that if you see a black Dog according to folklore it is a bringer of death. I dont know why i am telling you all this but i hope at least someone here is taking this seriously.    Well,my older brother died about 2 years later on of a very rare form of cancer that normally only very young children usually get.This was incredibly rare in an adult  and in his case was incurable.

       I am not saying that there was a connection between the two events but you never know. Perhaps there was a coorellation at the most.       I personally dont believe in curses as they can be broken simply if you dont believe they can have any effect anyway.


    Is there anyone here who is open minded?


     Please reveal yourselves if you are.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 23 May, 2007, 12:28:36 AM



           I just looked up "black Shuck" on Wikipedia as that is the famous black dog you must have heard of.

        There was a section mentioning black shuck in books + music etc.

                 They namechecked a strip in 2000ad comic called London Falling which featured a character that was a black dog.

    Does this ring any bells?   I know of it not as i probably wasnt reading it at the time.

    By a bizarre coincidence the next book referenced ,The Runton Werewolf ,features "gronks",a race of friendly shapeshifting aliens apparently.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 01:42:47 AM

    my brother did have a good send off though.   we had a wake at his favourite pub with all his friends . We paid the pub 2,500 quid so everyone could drink themselves stupid and enjoy themselves .
: Re: spooky story
: Mardroid 24 May, 2007, 02:58:55 AM
I'm pretty open minded about these things. As to whether or not it was supernatural, I can't say but I think it is possible.

If it was truly twice the size of a rotweiller, then it isn't any known kind of predatory woodland animal in the British isles. The largest are probably foxes. I knew a guy who reckoned he saw a wolf in Wales once but I'm not convinced that was the case as wild wolves are supposed to have died out a long time ago in Britain.  Also this particular guy was renowned for his tall stories. Besides wolves don't grow that big.

I suppose for size it could have been a larger dog like a great Dane, but the description you give doesn't seem much like one of those. Are you sure the red eyes weren't a reflection though? Were you shining torches towards it?

As for strange large animals, I have heard tales of large cats seen throughout Britain. I haven't heard of large black dogs until now, but I don't see why not!

As for your friends madness, I think it's more likely to do with his experimentation with the occult rather than seeing the beast. If you meddle and invite such things into your life it can cause problems including demonic possession. I've reason to believe demons could be real, even from first hand experience.

I don't think just seeing a large animal, even if it is supernatural (which I'm not discounting by the way) would cause you harm though. Not unless you allow it to, i.e. by allowing fear or superstition to rule you.

It's all rather interesting.

Commiserations concerning your brother, but I doubt it was related to the creature you saw.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 03:32:49 AM



   Many many thanks for your reply and your understanding.

     I cant stay up much longer so i will keep this short for now.


   When we went for the walk we didnt have torches as it wasnt really necessary and i dont bother with them most of the time so that rules out that possibility.I see fairly well in the dark anyway.  .We werent going out looking for ghosts either it was just a walk to the field. I always try to cover all the angles so that i am not getting carried away .

    I have to relate another incident that happened at the same place a long while before in about 1980 i think.  This really does get very strange.   I was walking in the woods  and went to the same place as i went there often.  I was on the opposite side of the field heading towards the pond .It was spring and all the leaves had just come out.there were lots of quite thin trees all around.It was afternoon and there seemed to be no one around.   All of a sudden someone appeared straight in front as if they were waiting hiding among the trees. I didnt hear any sounds at all from them.This person was very peculiar indeed.   He was wearing a long black coat,a sort of wide black hat ,a white shirt with one of those neckties that you always see in westerns.In fact his whole look was from another century.   His face was almost completely white,with some sort of beard that was quite neat.  And a stare that i never want to ever see again as i froze on the spot when he appeared out of nowhere.    I stood there for about 2 minutes with this thing just standing staring.       In the end i turned and ran into the woods.I knew them well and knew how to get away quickly.           It makes me shiver a bit just writing this now.  
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: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 11:16:50 AM



   I forgot to say that i am not superstitous at all as it is a bit of a waste of time and a lot of it is rubbish and i certainly dont live in fear of it.

   I knew of the superstitious associations with black dogs but i never gave it much thought at all anyway.It is only now looking back that i was thinking that there may have been a connection.     It is very very important that if you have these kinds of experiences that you do keep a firm hold on reality as i wouldnt be taken seriously otherwise or as serious as can be expected anyway.     All i do is report the facts.  nothing less   .I am hypersensitive,these things happen sometimes, i dont choose this,i just live with it,and sometimes its not nice,but i am glad i am anyway.  

    I should have said i was this instead of psycic, as there are plenty of nutcases and frauds who claim to be psycic.  I want nothing at all to do with these types as they give the word a bad name and i dont want the association.

                    As for occult and occultists,you are definatly right about that one. I do take it seriously and dark forces do exist the same as any other.  White magic is ok perhaps but i dont even want to go near that either.

          There is a witchcraft shop here with a coven of witches who are connected to it and run it .A friend knows them too.Needless to say i dont even go in this shop as again i dont get a good feeling from it and wont go in no matter what.        If i had my way i would close it down.These people dont understand what they are dealing with and they may learn the hard way.They are far worse than any cult i can think of.

         I live in sussex and there is a place called Alfriston.It is a very pretty village next to the downs here.  It is almost too pretty in fact,because whenever i am there i pick up on some very dark undercurrents.It is relativly famous for having 2 seperate covens of witches there.     I was there once when i went into one of the pubs there which is very olde wolde to look at but there is something not right about it.  I went in there to get something to eat once and it was like that scene in American Werewolf in london at the beginning on the moors.  The woman who ran the pub who was behind the bar seemed to not like me at all and was quietly hostile when i went in.   I didnt like the look of her at all and funny enough her she had a very nasty look in her eye and didnt like the look of me either.The feeling was mutual.   The eyes never lie and i always read people this way as they are the window to the soul.   I would take a guess now and say that she was a principal member of one of the covens and she read me as well and realised that i was coming from the opposite path so to speak. that being the light and not the darkness as was the case with her. She seemed to feel threatened the second that she saw me and perhaps recognised that i was powerful in that respect.   Needless to say i left immediatly and have never been back to alfriston since.  


   We did however have to go somewhere else to try and eat and drink so we ended up going to the quintessential english tea rooms and sat in the garden as it was summer.    Anyway we were served tea by an 18 year old redhead girl who was quite pretty and innocent.    I started a conversation with her and it turned out that she had moved here from southern ireland of all places.So i asked what had bruoght her here and she looked slightly uncomfortable and didnt really say why in particular as she wasnt sure herself.    Maybe i am being fanciful, but she was most probably a virgin and you and i both know what that could mean.[and i dont mean the obvious!!]    You just dont know what goes on beneath the surface sometimes as people are very wierd creatures indeed sometimes.
              How many other young girls have they invited over?  She had no family here at all.

   If you want to know how i am so certain about seeing the dog even though it was dark i can explain a bit. The description i gave is accurate to the T  but i forgot to say that there was a slight glow around it that was slightly orangy and not bright but subtle. I cant describe it any better than that.   Also curiously for some reason i dont understand yet, while watching it i was somehow visually able to zoom in on it like a zoom lens except it ws my eyesight doing it and nothing else.      Its very odd and i dont understand it at all so your guess is as good as mine here. i just seem to do it sometimes.      For the record i am short sighted in the left eye but only a bit but the right eye is perfect.   I dont need glasses either as i had an eye test recently when i got a tiny bit of metal in my eye from grinding metal at work that had to be removed.  They never said that my eyesite was poor in any way as i could read almost to the smallest lines.          

   From what i read once some large cat species can do this zooming in business but i cant confirm it                


                                Best regards.
                                                                Peter.
: Re: spooky story
: ThryllSeekyr 24 May, 2007, 12:33:13 PM
Yesterday morning, I tried to post a few of my own ideas on Shape-shifters and what I think the beast with orange eyes might have been.

Though, for some strange reason, the little smiley face in the box talk longer to appear and I clicked on another topic and lost the whole thing. The post was pretty long and I couldn't be bothered retyping the whole thing. So I just left it.

Anyway, So I took a small piece of what I wrote and applied it to both stories you have submitted.

You weren't drunk or under the influence of drugs at the time, were you? The most common explanation, whether you have been mixing pain killers with alcohol or eating red and white polka dotted mushrooms.( I'm not suggesting you do this by the way as it can be fatal.) With particular regards to werewolves, were-cats and elements, ghosts etc. During the dark-ages in Europe, the peasants  who were forced to farm in the lowlands where the ground was more damp.
Quite often having to make do with eating black fungus encrusted wheat. Which would have hallucinogenic effects on them.

Now one misconception about Wolves in general was that they were more active on nights of the half, three-quarter and full moon nights because these people only ever went outside on these nights because of the extra light. When it's probably true that wolves were active just about every night. Because they weren't effected one way or the other by the fuller face of the bright moon. Hunting as they had a far superior sense of smell and hearing. They would be out every-night and howling at the moon when it was full.

Combining these two ideas. Now these peasant farmers who having just eaten their fill of hallucinogens will go outside to gaze at the Fuller moon and in it's half light, as the drugs kick in. They would notice the wolf shapes on the edge of the forest appearing much larger than normal and perhaps more manlike. The sounds forest would seem much louder as another side effect.

There it is, one or two of my many explanations.
another much simpler one would be that somebody with enough special effects know-how is following you around with their bag of tricks.


The person you said you saw in the woods who was dressed like they came from another time period could very well have been a goth-punk ( This would explain the pale complexion.) walking through the woods on their way to fancy dress ( This would explain the weird dress sense.) party.

You said he appeared almost out of nowhere like
a phantom or apparition. Perhaps they're a professional burglar practicing subdefuge.

I always like to imagine all the mundane and
boring reasons for something strange before excepting more the bizarre ones.

I actually have a pet theory about the proven existence of ghost sightings. But only if they are true sightings and are not of people or were identified as somebody who existed. Particular the balls and whirls of lights responsible for poltergeist activity.

I think this is evidence of time-travel. The ghosts and similar phenomenon are the disembodied form of other people time-travelling back and forth. This why it is necessary that these ghost aren't the real ghost of people that were well known such as Elvis or a person that was just known by you. It would spoil my theory.

I had originally arrived at this whilst reading Michael Crichton's 'Time-Line' While the movie was in circulation. His idea was a machine that can break a object/living thing down to their atomic particles ( Or whatever is the lowest common denominator.) so small that they fell though the fabric of time. A wormhole to medieval Europe. ( I'm assuming they moved through space by the earths rotation without leaving the ground.) Those scientists were only trying to make a teleporter. So that they could speed up shipment of goods. The time-travel thing was very big side-effect.

This is where I thought that if this is Michael Crichton's idea of plausible fiction then why not this. If a body needed to be broken-down or physically obliterated to allow this to happen then what would be left of the person who's bodies been destroyed without killing them. A soul like what we believe a ghost to be or coded information the remains of a broken down living thing floating on the ether, barely perceived as opaque shade of their former self.

Another thing that I had read in one of the first Terry Pratchett Disc-world Novels ( some more plausible fiction.) that his idea of ghost was that they  were spirits who are only
connected to time they were born through their physical body. Once they die, their spirit  unhinges with the physical world and they begin to exist in every moment. To quote from ' Lure of the Wyrm'
'The Colour of Magic' The undead ruler of the Wyrmberg was saying to Two-Flower 'You see, one of the advantages of being dead is that one is released, as it were, from the normal bonds of time.' 'I can see everything that has happened or will happen, all at the same time. 'Imagine every moment being at one and the same time a distant memory and a nasty surprise.'.

This way a dis-embodied person can fly or float through the ages tuning in at a earlier time or in the future. The time-travelling spirit might appear as one of those balls of light. It may take the form of as it's own ghost when it is landing or has stopped time-traveling.

One of the things I didn't quite get from the 'Time-line' novel was that how did the people who time-jumped regain their physical bodies if they were destroyed when they left. They could take their physical selves with them because when the the machine zapped them they were reduced to code which would fall through the wyrm hole reappearing at the other end. In the movie they came out in the middle of a river. So I think their code wrote itself on to volumes of water remaking their physical bodies. It's like, isn't a large percentage of our bodies already made from water. I've heard that somewhere, but it doesn't sound right to me. I would like to think that out bodies are made from the other elements as well. That would be Earth, Air and Fire or as the Far Eastern Mystics would have it Wood, Fire, Earth and Metal. As well as Water. Still doesn't sound right. Though it does sound better. This is what I call plausible fiction.  

Sorry if it doesn't make sense to you.

It could be assumed that these disembodied spirits who have time-traveled very far or have tuned into another time will need to find a body or vessel to possess to stay anchored there. This could also explain demonic possession as well as time travel.

What if they were only able to take hold of the body of a animal, such as a wild cat or wolf.

Think about that.

I think this whole thing here has swung back to the legends of Werewolves and other shape-shifters.
They are really disembodied time-travellers reassuming some of their substantial form by merging with what ever predatory animal is available nearby.

Suddenly animals with a disembodied humans code being written on them may almost assume the form of that person or go halfway looking like a human-animal hybrid.

But this is only fiction.

Link: I wouldn't tr this with a real werewolf.

: Re: spooky story
: SmallBlueThing 24 May, 2007, 01:23:31 PM
"This person was very peculiar indeed. He was wearing a long black coat,a sort of wide black hat ,a white shirt with one of those neckties that you always see in westerns.In fact his whole look was from another century. His face was almost completely white,with some sort of beard that was quite neat. And a stare that i never want to ever see again"

Are you sure this was 1980? because that could well have been me. If it was about 1989, I'd say very probably me. I lived (and now again live) in Hastings and that description is me down to a 't'- or at least, how I was at the time. Look harder, and a whole bunch of us were probably there, gothing it up like beelzebub hisself. We used to hang around those parts all the time.

As for the black dog thing- it's not the first time I've heard stories of that kind of beastie around here. It's a nice story, and that's about all it is, I think.

As for mental illness being caused by "dabbling with the occult" and "demonic possession"- please! This is 2007. That kind of reactionary, ignorant bollocks went out with witch-burning. mental illness is a terribly serious business that affects a huge percentage of the population at one time or another. Please don't cheapen it with such utter, utter garbage.

Steev
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 01:49:45 PM


   Hi there i enjoyed your postvery much as it was very interesting.

                    Just to confirm it i wasnt on anything at all and maybe i may have had a small joint but certainly not at the time and no drink either to speak of.  All these factors have been ruled out.  i am 100 percent certain of what i saw.    Also no sounds were heard at all as i have acute hearing and i am very noise sensitive as well.   the " person " also was not of this worldas we know it either. This was something else but who or what it was i just dont know apart from the fact they had some sort of association with the site

   Going back to the place in question,this whole area in the woods just feels very old and sacred.  whenever i am there i feel like i am in another time that is somehow timeless. I can feel it in the air all around there and was very fortunate to grow up there as it was perfect for me. The woods were my second home as the house we lived in was surrounded by them mostly. It was this particular place that had the attraction for me.   The Black Pond that i mentioned earlier is in my opinion some sort of "gateway" and was probably a sacred place of worship by pagans at some point, particularly with the oak trees being planted in a circle.    The pond may take the odd life now and again to satisfy itself.     Even from qiuite young age,i always kept clear of it as i felt danger from it.    It was always dead still and the water was black due to the decomposing leaves etc that build up in the water,a bit like loch Ness.  No one ever had any idea how deep it was as you couldnt see.     Just not a place to swim at all under any circumstances at all.It was fed by a spring that you could drink from.     .....................there are tracks either side of it that are possibly prehistoric and also these woods in particular are one of the very last remnents of the wealden forests that would have covered the area.   It is all protected now and can never be disturbed by development

There is also evidence of iron age habitation in this field as well and i should think that the history of it goes back a lot further.   I feel both of these things are linked to this site in particular.     The "person" i saw was curious looking in the sense that the skin on their face was drawn so tightly over their face that they looked skull like as if they were suffering from malnutrition as well as the very unhealthy looking complexion .I have just never seen anything like it since.     It wasnt someone playing tricks either i am sure.  I got the curious feeling of time and everything just stopping as there was no sound at all and nothing moving. This correlates with some of what you said as well so i think there may be a connection there.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 02:06:11 PM


   Just to give you an idea on what it is like being "sensitive'"   this might explain it a bit.

           quite a few years ago there was a very unpleasent incident that involved a vicar going missing locally.[in hastings]    No one knew anything at the time as to what happened but it concluded with a straight forward murder case.      The point is this.    I visited a certain place or rather walked very close to it, when very suddenly i started to feel very sick indeed. just out of nowhere. I hadnt eaten or drunk anything and felt fine up until then.   I didnt actually throw up as i managed not to as i just kept walking, the further away i got from this place ,the feeling of being sick eased off bit by bit.         It turned as i found out  that this was the place where the various parts of the vicar were found concealed in the woods.  The case was closed then as it turned out to be some deranged teenager who committed the murder.              I have had reactions to places like this on other occaisons as well so there must be something in it.      I dont choose this stuff, it just happens.
: Re: spooky story
: Mardroid 24 May, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
"As for mental illness being caused by "dabbling with the occult" and "demonic possession"- please! This is 2007. That kind of reactionary, ignorant bollocks went out with witch-burning. mental illness is a terribly serious business that affects a huge percentage of the population at one time or another. Please don't cheapen it with such utter, utter garbage."

Since that post seems directed at me let me respond. Politely. First of all, let me say that I know that mental illness is a serious problem and I'm not saying that all mental illnesses are caused by demonic possession.  (That being said I wouldn't be surprised if what some doctors think of as a mental illness, such as MPD/DID for example, was in fact demonic possession. I think the mind is to robust to just splinter into separate personalities by itself, but that's just my opinion, and I accept I might be wrong.) I'm also aware that in the past people were very superstitious, and that innocent women (and others) tragically died because they were wrongly accused of being a witch.

However, as I said, I have reasons to believe that demons do exist, and being involved in the occult is still a dangerous thing to do.  By 'reason', I'm not talking about superstition and my own imagination. I'm talking about things I've actually seen. I've seen people who have apparently been demon possessed, or if not possessed have been in some other difficulty due to a spiritual matter. No doubt, a doctor or scientist seeing them would assume they were suffering from mental illness, but when you investigated their background, they had often been involved in some kind of occult activity, like Ouija board or spiritualism, or they might have visited a witch doctor for treatment. In short I wasn't just spouting stuff off the top of my head from my own imagination.

Even if you don't believe demons are involved, the fact that such activities could cause a mental illness means it's probably best to keep away from such activities.

And for someone to accuse another of 'reactionary ignorant bollocks' because they believe in something you do not is surely a rather ignorant close-minded reaction in itself. Not to mention down right rude. How do you know it's not true? Do you know other peoples experiences?  I accept my interpretation of events might have been wrong, but I'm open minded either way. Yes I know it's 2007 now, but believe me, 'modern materialistic views' are often just as ignorant as they are enlightened.

Peter Wolf- glad to hear you're not superstitious about the black dog and as such I'm sure it won't affect you. (I hope you understand I wasn't accusing you of that just stating that I didn't think seeing it in itself would cause you or your family harm.)

That stranger you bumped into? He didn't answer to the name 'Roland' by any chance? (You'll have to have read Stephen King's 'Dark Tower' books to get that one. ;) ) Maybe that area of woodland is a thin place.

I find all this all rather interesting anyway.
: Re: spooky story
: Mardroid 24 May, 2007, 07:46:06 PM
"As for mental illness being caused by "dabbling with the occult" and "demonic possession"- please! This is 2007. That kind of reactionary, ignorant bollocks went out with witch-burning. mental illness is a terribly serious business that affects a huge percentage of the population at one time or another. Please don't cheapen it with such utter, utter garbage."

Since that post seems directed at me let me respond. Politely. First of all, let me say that I know that mental illness is a serious problem and I'm not saying that all mental illnesses are caused by demonic possession.  (That being said I wouldn't be surprised if what some doctors think of as a mental illness, such as MPD/DID for example, was in fact demonic possession. I think the mind is to robust to just splinter into separate personalities by itself, but that's just my opinion, and I accept I might be wrong.) I'm also aware that in the past people were very superstitious, and that innocent women (and others) tragically died because they were wrongly accused of being a witch.

However, as I said, I have reasons to believe that demons do exist, and being involved in the occult is still a dangerous thing to do.  By 'reason', I'm not talking about superstition and my own imagination. I'm talking about things I've actually seen. I've seen people who have apparently been demon possessed, or if not possessed have been in some other difficulty due to a spiritual matter. No doubt, a doctor or scientist seeing them would assume they were suffering from mental illness, but when you investigated their background, they had often been involved in some kind of occult activity, like Ouija board or spiritualism, or they might have visited a witch doctor for treatment. In short I wasn't just spouting stuff off the top of my head from my own imagination.

Even if you don't believe demons are involved, the fact that such activities could cause a mental illness means it's probably best to keep away from such activities.

And for someone to accuse another of 'reactionary ignorant bollocks' because they believe in something you do not is surely a rather ignorant close-minded reaction in itself. Not to mention down right rude. How do you know it's not true? Do you know other peoples experiences?  I accept my interpretation of events might have been wrong, but I'm open minded either way. Yes I know it's 2007 now, but believe me, 'modern materialistic views' are often just as ignorant as they are enlightened.

Peter Wolf- glad to hear you're not superstitious about the black dog and as such I'm sure it won't affect you. (I hope you understand I wasn't accusing you of that just stating that I didn't think seeing it in itself would cause you or your family harm.)

That stranger you bumped into? He didn't answer to the name 'Roland' by any chance? (You'll have to have read Stephen King's 'Dark Tower' books to get that one. ;) ) Maybe that area of woodland is a thin place.

I find all this all rather interesting anyway.
: Re: spooky story
: Art 24 May, 2007, 07:49:17 PM
Personally I think you should all be burned as witches and your lands seized by the state, just as a precautionary measure.
: Re: spooky story
: Mardroid 24 May, 2007, 07:51:46 PM
Sorry for the double post above. (There doesn't seem a way to delete it.)

Art. You're probably right.

*Scampers off to the garden to build a huge bonfire.*
: Re: spooky story
: Dog Deever 24 May, 2007, 07:56:48 PM
Hmmm.... ergotosis?

The real question is- do you weigh more than a duck?
: Re: spooky story
: Dog Deever 24 May, 2007, 08:03:00 PM
Erse!

That should have been 'ergotism'
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 09:01:38 PM

   Do i know you? where did you live now?  where did you live then?   this was 1980 no doubt about it   i am glad you said i think when you talked about the dog story.  that says to me you are probably open minded to things. I have to ask you your age just as something to go on.       I moved in about 1989-1990 to brighton  .    I did know the goths in hastings when i was there although i went back a lot after that.      you must have heard all the local alistair crowley bullshit.    Did tou ever know the crowley house in castledown avenue before it was knocked down.    i used to go there a lot.      I was never aware of any dog stories at all and i knew the woods upside down.    I did hear stories about church in the wood but i never went there at all.      Do you know the Aincent Parish Church of Ore that was tucked away at the top of elphinstone road? I used to go there a lot.     let me know more.      Peter.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 09:05:54 PM



     Why not ,they will take the shirt off your back if you are not careful
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 09:07:47 PM


  regarding the person i will know as soon as i  see you obviously
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 09:25:38 PM

  did you go to the crypt ever at any time between 1984 and 1990.  if by any chance you did then it is almost dead certain that i may know who you are.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
   

and another post:  did you ever hear of the srange things that went on in Old Roar Road at one time?           it has long since stopped as the land was developed.        Also the Ministry of Defence building on the ridge opposite Osbourne house was interesting at times.    I uncovered loads of second world war dogtags next to that place once buried in the woods.   funny place really,Hastings.
: Re: spooky story
: Art 24 May, 2007, 09:48:29 PM
Out of curiosity, have you ever been to Newcastle? maybe some time in the early 80s? and had to leave again a bit sharpish?
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 24 May, 2007, 10:24:14 PM

       Hi there  i think you are right about the mental illness issue  mostly.  some of these people may have been vulnerable in the first place and maybe the occult sent them over the edge possibly, but no more on average perhaps than anything else.  As for James who i talked about earlier i pretty well know for certain that he was involved in that sort of thing as iwas told about it but not in much detail. He was an odd guy anyway and was difficult to pin down at times.      After the time when my mum and dad sold up and moved out of hastings i had to stay at friends houses instead.   I once had to stay with James once.   Well it tuned out that james was gay. I didnt know this until he stripped off and then made a proposition that i would rather he hadnt. I was as tactful as possible but just told him to go back to bed.   that was the last time i stayed there as that was a bit much.     so its like what came first, the chicken or the egg regarding eccentric behaviour and mental illness and the occult.    I sit on the fence a bit on that one for now but i do know someone else who is a bit odd ,but then got involved in the occult although he used to try and pull people out of covens. This led to him becoming deeply paranoid about being followed and persecuted that he used to voluntarily section himself.  he is a bit better now.  

         I did come across some wierd stuff in the woods at clapham near  worthing which [ha ha] was famous for odd goings on and a spate of disappearing people,dogs,and horses and even ufo sightings. theyve got it all there although i will say parts of the woods are not good at all, and there was a connection with the Order of Hekate if that means anything to you.     They were using the local manor house as a base there.   According to some they were responsible for manipulating the hurricane of 1987 in conjunction with a coven near chichester.  I am neither confirming or denying this by the way.       anyway i was up in the woods where i found a mattress that was partly burnt,as well as burnt clothes so burnt that only zips and that were left. also a bonfire.   It had ben there a little while so there was no fresh evidence to be seen.        Scrawled all over the trunk of the nearest tree was the word "hell" lots and lots of times in blood red paint.      Theres some crazy shit that goes on in those woods.  Best leave them alone i think.
          Still that was nothing compared to those slaughterd chickens i found once the morning after something......

      I believe the secret to magic is intent ,wether it is good or bad.   All magic is based on intent.   Your will is intent.  what you do with it is up to you.   If you direct your will in the correct way you can sort of achieve and get to the place you want to go to.   thats all you need to do i think.  You dont need all the wierd stuff and rituals as finding your true will is magic itself as everything flows.

     




if i sense bad intent in someone i dont want to know them at all.   they are best out of your life.

     I will warn anyone to keep away from the occult at any opportunity i get and will always do so.                                          regards,
                                                                      Peter.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 25 May, 2007, 12:31:23 AM


    no its one place i have never been to ever. i havent ever been to the north east at all  .

   I have to ask why you are asking
                                                                    peter.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 25 May, 2007, 12:47:43 AM



     I posted this account 3 days ago to someone who wanted to hear it and couldnt wait so my guess is that they would have read it immediatly as soon as they could.so i posted it and since then i have heard nothing.

I have emailed them 3 times now since for some feedback with no reply. If they havent been near a computer anywhere then that is fair enough, otherwise why no response? Its not very polite really, and i only let it out under certain conditions. It may be a bit soon or for some other unknown reason  to expect a reply, but if a week goes by and there is still no reply then i will try some other way to contact them as i dont like being ignored .

: Re: spooky story
: Dog Deever 25 May, 2007, 12:49:48 AM
On a marginally related note- does anyone remember a TV prog. in (possibly) the 80's called something like 'Pookisnackenberger presents...'? There was one episode I particularly remember that featured a Black Metal band recording a track to summon the Devil at Crowlie's hoose. They had a drummer called 'Visigoth' or something suitably Germanic. That's what this thread is beginning to remind me of!
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 25 May, 2007, 01:46:16 AM


   Its pointless taking fly agaric here anyway as the active chemical is so low in them.
   
   You have to travel a lot further north to find them strong enough to trip. I mean europe not england.

            needless to say ,dont take them

   
: Re: spooky story
: Mr C 25 May, 2007, 01:58:26 AM
"Its pointless taking fly agaric here anyway as the active chemical is so low in them. "

You could have told me that last year.

Errr... I mean...

Don't take drugs kids!
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 25 May, 2007, 02:22:54 AM


   i suppose they can vary locally if thats what you mean.


     I had the same problem with ketamine. it is supposed to be horse tranquiliser but it had the opposite effect.  I will try something a bit stronger next time as that was for lightweights.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 25 May, 2007, 11:51:20 PM



       I wish to expand on the subject of magic and intent.

                   
   In fact lets drop the magic bit altogether for now

      First of all,drop all your preconceptions and even misconceptions you may have about life or yourself if they are negative.  they will get in the way from the start.

          Then have a hard look at yourself and your life objectivly as well as positivly and negativly.   Objectivity is the best way as it encompasses negative and positive so it is balanced in regard to your life so far and where it is going.

          By this point hopefully,you should have an idea of what this amounts to.If you are fortunate enough to be doing what you should be doing, rather than what you have to do,then you are probably already there so maybe you dont need to read this.

           Th e next stage is to start focussing and directing yourself in your chosen direction whatever that may be. You have to be realistic at this point and realise what your talents and abilities are. Theres no point overstretching yourself as it will achieve nothing. I know for a fact i will never be a proffessional Tennis player for example as i have never played Tennis.    You get the picture.      You just have to know your abilities.If you dont know them ,then you have a long way to go.  I can play drums ,but its very unlikely i will ever play proffessionally as i have not directed myself that way,and have left it too late,although really its never too late, but i have chosen another proffession, and the point here is to focuss on one thing at first. Never any more than that as you can never run before you can walk and all your energy becomes dissipated. That is to miss the point completely.       You must focus on one thing only and live it,think it,visualise yourself doing it as much as you can,whil at the same time look for every opportunity and lead that you can and act on it.  If you cant find any ,just look on the internet or other medias as they are everywhere.   Even cold calling works as well,providing you know how to present yourself well. Never wait for anything to come to you by doing nothing.  Once you get out there and you are still focussed then opportunities start to appear all over the place.  Dont wait for them to come to you,go to them first..They are not going to come to you,as they dont know you obviously. Get out there and sell yourself.

     If you have got this far,then you should find that things get interesting.

     I will take a break now and say that if you have read this post and are now reading this bit now then i am going to say that this is the summation of my life over the past year and a half so far but not quite as i am a little further ahead even as i write.

             The point is it has been my drive and hunger that has been the motivating force so far.   I realised fairly recently that i wasnt getting very far in my life as i was just pissing about and plodding along,only half taking things seriously as in not trying hard enough and doing too many things.       Suddenly something clicked one day .  Up until about a year or 2 ago i was not doing much,just getting by,and being lazy as i am sometimes.Just sleeping a lot,especially in winter.  Like a semi hibernation.    rather like a religous conversion but not, i just woke up to the reality of my life.   I thought i have had a rest, so now it is time for some action as enough time had gone by.I needed a rest but times up now.   I felt a strong sense of urgency as well to do something as well , and was being nagged at by others for not making an effort. In the end i realised they were right.I had to motivate myself.

                I chose to focus on what i had been doing for years on and off  .i enjoy doing it but had never really capitalised on it in a proffessional manner which was the main critiscism by others.   You are 39 ,not that that is old as it isnt at all,but never the less you are not getting younger so get out there yourself and make something happen . Its all out there for the taking if only you can be bothered to make the effort.    So the penny dropped and i realised.      Dont think small,think big.   Instead of seeing others succeed and pass you by,why not be one of them.  Realise your potential. Who says you cant have it all? no one except yourself.  Thats it.   Never ever listen to anyone who says you cant do something, or you will never make that work as the only reason they say that is because they couldnt make things work themselves.Thats all.  They are not your problem so never listen to them ever.They are their own problem.Dont let them transfer that onto you.   It is very dangerous when you are at the beginning stages of this exercise.  What you say to them is yes i can.   Build up your confidence and believe in yourself fully no matter what any one else says.    If you ever listen to them and believe them you will never win ever.    I cant emphasise this enough as to not do this [ believe in yourself,focus your energy,mind and body] then you may as well not bother reading what i have written].

       I dont believe things are ever hopeless,or being stuck in a rut, no escape or whatever, Everything is there for the taking if you do .  The world is your oyster.


    I have joined this message board at quite possibly the most intersting time of my life.  Things have been interesting in the sense that things are just flowing perfectly.  An awful lot of  serendipity and helpful coincidences and opportunities just keep happening every day all related to my work and life etc.  I dont have to do anything hardly now without something happening.  I seem to get an offer of work every other day now.    I am not going to say what i have got going on now, but its good,and i am still taking it in and i cannot believe my good fortune.    I am not religous in any way whatsoever as i think it is bullshit, but i feel in a way i have had some sort of conversion,as instead of just killing time i enjoy every day.

               It starts with empowereing yourself,then as things unfold the way you want them to ,it empowers you.  It just perpetuates itself.    You just cant go wrong if you read and understand this post as this is very valuable information and could change your life as it has mine recently.

   this is what i think is the result of the alignment the your will and intent means which is the essence of all magic in its truest sense but without all the wierd stuff  . No rituals involved at all .  


   You probably all think who is this guy ?, what with all the wierd posts etc, and i just appeared out of nowhere, but like i said its just been a very strange ,interesting time,and its a lot to take in,which is why i may seem erratic.

                      I thought i would pass this information on for the benefit of others who may need it.              

               That took ages to write so now i am going to have a drink.


                     read and enjoy.

     [ sometimes the obviou needs to be pointed out]

   

                 
     
: Re: spooky story
: Dog Deever 26 May, 2007, 01:04:28 AM
you are that American self-motivation nut (who's name currently escapes me) that I've seen advertising on late night TV, and I claim my free set of self-motivation cd's!
(Which I will sell on e-bay, because I'm a cynical cunt and can't be arsed motivating myself.)
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 26 May, 2007, 01:18:56 AM


     I am not interested at all in the self help industry whatsoever as i was just saying downstairs that i think all that is bullshit.
   
    there is a huge self help section in Borders now, and most of it american .

    Its a shame you think that but its not the case here.  

       personally i  think they are a waste of space .


      I was explaining a theory that works to save anyone that bullshit and get to the point of it all.

      How anyone else reads or interprets this information is not my problem.

    I cant  say any more other than it works.
: Re: spooky story
: Dog Deever 26 May, 2007, 01:28:55 AM
Downstairs?

There are two storey's to this story?
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 26 May, 2007, 01:34:51 AM


   theres always two sides to every storey.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 26 May, 2007, 10:38:38 AM



           I read an interview with Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin .                He was saying more or less the same as i am saying in my self help post.             He has a reputation for being interested in the occult but that is mostly exxagerated.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 27 May, 2007, 07:38:57 AM


                This thread was getting good and then everyone disappears.

                 I could sit here and talk to myself but it just isnt the same.            Come back when you are ready i suppose.             Peter.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 27 May, 2007, 07:41:39 AM

             There is no fate,except that which we make for ourselves.               I think thats true.
: Re: spooky story
: Art 27 May, 2007, 07:43:53 AM
"The Tao of Terminator 2"
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 27 May, 2007, 08:08:36 AM


    Thats it  !!    I knew that would be recognised.               Many thanks           Its nice to be understood.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 27 May, 2007, 12:30:23 PM
 

                   Does anyone get Deja Vu ?


             I dont get it much but when i do it is always with places and not  the  I have done this before sort of thing.

  Last time this happened i was visiting a place called Pitshill in sussex as i was searching for the place where the household rubbish was tipped like a landfill site nowadays.  The rubbish tip i was digging was from Pitshill House which was 18th century.  The glass bottles they chucked out are very valuable and historically interesting.

             Anyway when i first visited i wasnt that aware of the house apart from a map that had no detail.In otherwords i had no prior knowledge of this place.    So i was exploring and came to a brick wall with a small wooden gate that was open.    The second i walked through it and saw the house i just could not believe it.     I just said out loud "this place again????,  I dont believe it!! " That was all.   I was in a sort of shock really.   There is a witness to this as well.    I cant explain it .   Not yet anyway.               The house was built by the Mitford family[the Mitfords are famous mainly for Nancy Mitford and other family members where Nazi sympathisers in the 30s.They made their money in farming.Nancy Mitford wrote a book calld U and Non U which was all about ettiquette.They were terrible for their snobbery ,although if i was a snob i would say that they dont have any lineage to speak of as they were tecnically "trade".Not true aristocrats]who have left now as it is empty and the brother of Lord Cowdray owns it now and there is a case going on that will set a legalprecedent if Lord Muck wins and manages to divert all the old footpaths away from the house as this is notoriously difficult to do.  The ramblers association and all that are fighting him.        I just wish i had a bank account with 5 million in it then i could have bought it instead.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 27 May, 2007, 03:19:03 PM


   Sceptics of Ley lines always argue that Ley lines are not a man made phenomena and that they occur naturally and can be scientifically explained.    Running water underground creates energy by moving through rock.   They are right to say this as it is true, but being sceptics they always have to sift through all of the information and either discard the bits they dont understand or reword the bits they dont understand so that it suits their agenda.     Yet they  claim to be open minded.     This is not true of all sceptics as some are open minded as well.     There is no such thing a a man made ley line as far as i know.
: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 29 May, 2007, 07:21:59 PM


    I have had a reply back from the person who i posted it to as well as here.    They have replied back now.  I thought they would as it has been a week.      He seems to be taking it seriously so far.  They have quoted the alien big cat theory which i expected them to.  This has already been ruled out.    I think they want to visit the site .   I would prefer to be there when they do that.     If they think they can go there and see it for themselves then they havent got a hope in hell as it doesnt work like that.  They would just be wasting their time in that respect.    Theres a few things that no one knows about in respect to the sighting that i havent disclosed yet.     Still, nice to get a reply from someone who is prepared to listen.
: Re: spooky story
: Judge Merlin 29 May, 2007, 10:08:30 PM
Maybe it was "La Bete"

http://labete.7hunters.net/

It could also have been a Wild Boar?

I know near where I live (Outside Durham) there was alot of attacks on local sheep that was blamed on some kind of Big Cat that had alegedly escaped from a Circus that had recently been and not wanting to get into trouble the ringmaster decided not to report it.The cat was never caught. But then again the last wild boar was supposedly killed in my town. Was it? could they still exist? All I know is one night as me and an old GF were walking home from a local event back to my village we stopped and looked down onto the old mining railtrack. What we saw really sobered us up quickly and made us quicken our pace back to a more populated area.That was over twelve years ago and I've never ventured down that area since.

With Big Cats being fashionable "Accessories" to the rich it's possible that alot get turned loose to run free.

Like the saying goes "If you hear a branch snap. Do not investigate".

: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 29 May, 2007, 11:01:31 PM
  Thanks for the post. I guess it was the cat that you saw?    thanks for sharing that ,but could you give a bit more of a description?

   As for my sighting,there was no noise whatsoever ,otherwise i would have heard it.Also it was a fairly dark night and we had no light source with us at all so therefore no reflection.Anyway this wasnt like a reflection at all ,more of a glow like a flame.only concentrated within its eyes.  And it was definatly no cat. I am sure of that.  Besides that doesnt explain the very faint orange glow that was around it,that sort of lit up the area close to it.  I really dont think that this dog was a physical being and it seemed to be just as curious of me as i was of it.  We were just watching each other.  The truth is i just dont scare very easily. I can feel a sort of fear but i can control it and not react when these things happen.   We lived in that same house for 18 years altogether and everyone knew each other,and lots walked their dogs in the woods.Everyone knew the woods and in all that time not one story about anything unless it was kept quiet.   The amount of times that i walked through the woods at night i cant remember but it was routine to walk through the woods in the dark[pitch black sometimes]as it was quicker and i liked it better anyway  except for the mud!  Another curious thing about it was the owner of the field couldnt keep horses in it as they wouldnt settle in it so that was stopped.
: Re: spooky story
: ThryllSeekyr 06 June, 2007, 06:30:46 AM
I know this might be trollling, but I have been meaning read through this entire post which I have jsuut done now and....

Peter-Wolf in referance to what you were saying about this sacred site with treees planted din a cirlec around a black lake. Walking atrrounding this area gives you a sence of being in another time gone by.

I get same feeling everytime I visit Byron Bay on the N.S.W coast. A small township were alot hippies live. ( Quite close to Nimbin.) It's very very slow yet festive place to got to. They have alot music festivals at there. To describe what it is like walking throught the main stree of this place at night is like a scnee from that movie 'The Lost Boys' Except I'm pretty sure there are now vampires and this place is more rural.

Another intresting place That I have found my selv in is Centenial Park in Sydney. Once you get close to the centre of this place . You feel like you've in the middle of country side in the centre of nowwhere. When you are actualley in the middle of a city. ( Not quit in the middle, That would be Hyde Park, but near enough. ) It's alittle eerie walking through this place at night after you've left the main CBD area. It's so peaceful. As if I have just been gated to amore rural area. I great place to go to if you want to calm down.

Your talk of a black lake ( Due to rotting leaves.) instantly brought to my mind a dark red lake near a place called Ballina. Which I think is on the north coast of south east Queensland. It's quite weird. I think colour has something to do with a type of tree growing in abundance on the bank surrounding this lake. I have gone swimming there the few times we have visited this spot when I was young.

Some body was comparing you to a well known American motivational speaker. Anthony or Tony Robbins. That wouldn't be you?
Would it.?

Ley-Lines, You say it's energy created by the passage on underground streams.

I thought that it was just underground streams.

De-Ja-Vue, I got that feeling when picking up a mop and bucket for the first time in seven years just yesterday. I'm working part-time now.

: Re: spooky story
: Peter Wolf 06 June, 2007, 09:38:49 AM


    You have brought the thread back so thanks and thanks for sharing things.    It was a bit worrying being compared to the american motivational speaker. Its definatly not me as what i posted is what i worked out for myself.
        I dont really like the self help industry as in a way i think it is a form of exploitation.  Spend loads of money on books and cds and seminars. Its just boring.     I just posted what i thought was right in my view.


  Its a shame you dont live in England as there is a poace here that is very wierd and magical.     Its called Kingley Vale and it is near Chichester.    It is the oldest and largest Yew Tree forest in Europe.The trees are amazing and the whole place is very quiet and just has an amazing feel to it.  It is also a sacred burial ground and it looks like something you would see in a film like Lord of the Rings or something like that.  It is like being in a different time when you are there.  It is no camping as it is a nature rreserve but you can get away with it if you find somewhere out of site.    Its quite a place to spend the night.