The Political Thread

[The Legendary Shark]

Nazi: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power.

Now, if I didn't know you better Shark, I might take offense to you keeping the "aggressive anti-Semitism" when describing the political (or otherwise) climate of the US.

Simply replace the "aggressive anti-Semitism" espoused by the Nazi party to "aggressive anti-Islamism" espoused by various U.S. power-brokers and it still fits. (I don't include the vast bulk of U.S. citizens in this but level the accusations mainly at the power brokers, just as ours espouse the same hideous rhetoric thinly disguised as an attack on terrorism.) Indeed, the U.S. Government seems to have completely the mirror attitude which could be described as "aggressive pro-Semitism".

** And by now, I hope that you do know me better.

[Richmond Clements]

"aggressive pro-Semitism"

That's the stuff that's in them yogurts, isn't it?

[The Legendary Shark]

Maybe - but not in those fruit corners...

[locustsofdeath!]

Nazi: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power.

Now, if I didn't know you better Shark, I might take offense to you keeping the "aggressive anti-Semitism" when describing the political (or otherwise) climate of the US.

Simply replace the "aggressive anti-Semitism" espoused by the Nazi party to "aggressive anti-Islamism" espoused by various U.S. power-brokers and it still fits. (I don't include the vast bulk of U.S. citizens in this but level the accusations mainly at the power brokers, just as ours espouse the same hideous rhetoric thinly disguised as an attack on terrorism.) Indeed, the U.S. Government seems to have completely the mirror attitude which could be described as "aggressive pro-Semitism".

Pot calling the kettle black, a bit. During my time in England/Scotland I've experienced just as much anti-Polish (and to an extent anti-Islamism) sentiment as anything I've experienced in the States.

Personally, I feel the assumption that the States is approaching anything near Nazi Socialism is way off base (number one, there will never be a unified National Identity in the States - the pot has melted too far for that). Had you said the US was heading towards some sort of fascism, I would agree. Nazism, no. No way at all.

[The Legendary Shark]

Had you said the US was heading towards some sort of fascism, I would agree.

Yes, I can agree with that. Same over here.

The problem (I find) with using the N Word is that people automatically think 'Holocaust'. Hitler first came across a National Socialism type organization in about 1919 and the Final Solution didn't go into (secret) operation until 1941. Naziism, then, was just the vehicle through which Fascism was introduced - a step at a time. In both our countries, I think, there are those taking the same small steps but don't openly call themselves Nazis.

** And yes, we do have these prejudices drummed into us, as well - "coming over here, taking our women and stealing our jobs..." is an old, old story.

[locustsofdeath!]

In both our countries, I think, there are those taking the same small steps but don't openly call themselves Nazis.

Of course. But I don't think that can ever take root here in the US because we simply do not have the National Identity you Britons do (and I'm not implying anything here). In fact, I couldn't tell you how many times I've found myself envious of the National Identity you folks do have.

[TordelBack]

I think the crux of Beakies' argument should be on a different thread : If Beaky thinks Nazism was a part of god's plan for humanity as well, it belongs to religious debate.

I'm not sure how that particular fantasy would factor into any ongoing political issue, in the way that views on the rights of the unborn definitely does, but I'm sure I could be shown otherwise.  I do however agree that we should agree to disagree. 

[Roger Godpleton]

When mother told me that I wasn't an accident, she completely shattered my entire world. THANKS MUM.

[Dandontdare]

I blame New Labour.................................for EVERYTHING 

Nonsense, it's all Thatcher's fault as any sane person knows..

[locustsofdeath!]

I think the crux of Beakies' argument should be on a different thread : If Beaky thinks Nazism was a part of god's plan for humanity as well, it belongs to religious debate.

I'm not sure how that particular fantasy would factor into any ongoing political issue, in the way that views on the rights of the unborn definitely does, but I'm sure I could be shown otherwise.  I do however agree that we should agree to disagree.

I don't understand how he cannot get what you're saying, Tordel. In simple terms, more often than not religion and politics go hand-in-hand. Religion often influences political decisions (which I think the abortion debate clearly shows). It's that easy to connect.

[vzzbux]

I blame New Labour.................................for EVERYTHING 

Nonsense, it's all Thatcher's fault as any sane person knows..

I blame Pitt the younger, for all those campaigns against France. The tax payers money he spent on war must have been horrific.





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[TordelBack]

I blame Pitt the younger

Nah, it was Pitt The Glint in the Milkman's Eye.

[vzzbux]

Yayyyy. Exactly the following post and poster I was expecting.





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[TordelBack]

I'm nothing if not relentless, grindingly, predictable.

[Roger Godpleton]

I was only two of those things with your mom.