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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #345 on: 20 November, 2021, 10:34:43 AM »

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #346 on: 20 November, 2021, 12:10:03 PM »

I don't think anyone would object to Jeremy Clarkson being smothered by love...

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #347 on: 20 November, 2021, 12:21:11 PM »
As a straight white middle-class man, I find it impossible to punch down as we are the most oppressed group on the planet these days. [/sarcasm]

Yet Paul Dacre makes the same comment with complete seriousness 8-0

Tell me about it! We're not even allowed to ... love Jeremy Clarkson!
You can be arrested and thrown in jail for it.

I thought you would be detained under the Mental Health Act, 1983, no?

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #348 on: 20 November, 2021, 01:08:58 PM »

I don't think anyone would object to Jeremy Clarkson being smothered by love...

It depends. Is Love the name of a silverback gorilla?
You may quote me on that.

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #349 on: 20 November, 2021, 02:34:03 PM »

Doesn't really matter when you're being smothered. Whether it's Love the silverback's hairy bum or a Love is... snuggly pillow, the result is ultimately the same.

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #350 on: 20 November, 2021, 02:38:17 PM »
but what a way to go!!
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #351 on: 20 November, 2021, 03:41:30 PM »
What is going on?  How did this morph into the "Insanely Disturbing Euthanasia Thread"?

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #352 on: 20 November, 2021, 03:42:46 PM »
you say that like its a bad thing...
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #353 on: 20 November, 2021, 04:02:33 PM »
this sort of carry on isn't very woke.

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #354 on: 20 November, 2021, 04:39:40 PM »
DDT did a job on me

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #355 on: 16 December, 2021, 03:29:47 PM »
So, mini-Solo's first encounter with John Cleese was him being grumpy about imaginary woke bogie-men*, over breakfast.

She dubbed him "Wobbly Walrus Face", which is quite Pythonesque.


*Or bogie-women. Or non-gendered bogie-people.
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #356 on: 16 December, 2021, 03:55:29 PM »
On the one hand, it shouldn't be surprising that John Cleese is going all right-wing talk-point, as he fits the target demographic exactly.

On the other hand, its sad to see someone who gave me so much enjoyment expose himself as a blithering idiot.

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #357 on: 16 December, 2021, 04:52:20 PM »
So he suggests things should go wrong and children should learn from bad things, because that will make them tougher. Which is tantamount to “we should be able to say what we want and get away with it” while ignoring the massive privilege he’s had through his entire life.

It’s extremely telling that he immediately gets grumpy with the interviewer because she says “but” rather than “exploring what I just said” — even though she was about to… explore what he just said. Presumably, he has agreed to an interview and thinks that means everyone will be reverential and let him say his piece unchallenged. The follow-up, though — which is precisely the same follow-up I’d have used as a journalist — was to ask whether racist jokes are OK, because they were once considered just banter. Cleese: “I think it’s a very poor question.” He argues it’s too broad and not possible to answer such a question.

It really is. Here’s how you answer a question regarding whether racist jokes are acceptable: No. It’s really that simple.

Also, his tour will be based on a talk about why there is no hope, the central point being that “everyone wants to be right and nobody really wants to listen to other people’s opinions”. Which is garbage, again. What he’s angry about is that people aren’t listening to him and nodding along. They’re challenging him, which rarely used to happen when he was considered a god-like comedy genius. Now, he’s a doddery old fucker who can’t move with the times — a Jim Davidson with a superior back catalogue.

The one thing he does hit on is that society is polarised and that is damaging. What he doesn’t appear to understand is that in slamming people who want to avoid (not ban — just ignore and marginalise) shitty viewpoints and calling them “woke”, he is part of the problem and another reason why things are becoming more polarised, regardless of dressing up his thinking in pseudo academia.

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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #358 on: 16 December, 2021, 05:13:56 PM »
That 'why do you say "but"?' mini-tantrum is a bit Basil Fawlty.  Between that and his absurdly defensive reaction to the three words 'Are you saying..', he gets triggered quite easily, doesn't he? Incredibly common, it seems to me, among the people who complain how easily other people get triggered.
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Re: Thought Police: Are we allowed to query 'woke'?
« Reply #359 on: 16 December, 2021, 06:34:40 PM »
Ah well. We still have Idle and Palin.