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007: No time to die

Started by Tiplodocus, 04 December, 2019, 11:25:17 PM

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karlos


Tiplodocus

I struggle with QOS because of the shaky action and accountant villain. SPECTRE aside from the opening sequence just doesn't engage me. But I love SKYFALL despite the faults and CASINO ROYALE just plain rocks despite the action being front loaded. And "You Know My Name" is best theme in ages.
Be excellent to each other. And party on!

TordelBack

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QoS does have a nonsdescript baddie, but the action is top-notch. The Siena stuff is proper Bond, albeit with a Bourne accent.

Meanwhile I can enjoy various setpieces in Skyfall, but as soon as they head for Scotland, it degenerates into a misfiring ITV adaptation of a James Patterson novel, complete with unlikely underwater boghole sequence.

karlos

Both Skyfall and Spectre could easily lose 30 mins or so - from their respective endings (I'll always have a slight soft spot for Skyfall's, though - as we got to see Albert Finney one last time).

And, yes, that scene in Skyfall really is unpleasant.

QoS works best, as someone up above said, as an extended epilogue to CR.

I'm very upbeat about NTTD, largely because of Waller-Bridge's involvement (so glad to see they haven't fridged Lea Seydoux's character - a VERY good sign).


Tiplodocus

So for my Christmas Bond film I picked QUANTUM OF SOLACE  which I don't think I've seen for nine years, maybe.

Actually, yeah, it is a cracking Bond movie once you get beyond the terrible villain, fucking atrocious song (good titles though) and the shaky cam and terrible editing obscuring some fine looking stunts.

There's also some great reversals of normal Bond tropes in there. After the Sienna scenes which are set at a festival (because it's always a festival when Bond is in town) and Bond regressed, so does all of the local colour. Everywhere he arrives is grubby as anything and the carnival dancers are replaced by real slice of life stuff; stray dogs, homeless people and, best of all, a random bloke doing his ironing. And when he's back to Her Majesty's Bond, we finally get the gun barrel logo.

There are moments of brilliant visual storytelling (except in the action) and Craig gets several moments where he is just cool as (flipping the bike, all scenes with Mathis, the reveal of Quantum people at the opera , skipping across hotel balcony). Olga is also a very good Bond Girl; better than Seydoux in SPECTRE by a long shot and we didn't really get one that made it to the end in SKYFALL.

And David Harbour, Stana Katic (Castle) and Oona Chaplin all pop up.
Be excellent to each other. And party on!

Hawkmumbler

Skyfall had many, numerous issues.

But it also had Albert Finney, and any movie could be improved by that mad Salfordian himself being in it.

Tiplodocus

So new trailer for what seems like the next THREE Bond movies...

https://youtu.be/vw2FOYjCz38

Good golly! Doesn't it just look full of set pieces, kick ass women and crazy villains. Like Bond should be.
Be excellent to each other. And party on!

Rately

Trailer looks great.

Hopefully Daniel Craig's final Bond is as good as his first.

TordelBack

Does look fun.  But... facial scarring as signifier of evil, are we really still at this?

Rately

Quote from: TordelBack on 04 September, 2020, 10:05:47 AM
Does look fun.  But... facial scarring as signifier of evil, are we really still at this?

They really do try to shoehorn it in at every opportunity.

The Enigmatic Dr X

Quote from: TordelBack on 04 September, 2020, 10:05:47 AM
Does look fun.  But... facial scarring as signifier of evil, are we really still at this?

But it is Bond. Isn't your criticism a bit like saying "sound in vacuum, are we still at this?" for Star Wars?
Lock up your spoons!

CalHab

The age disparity of Daniel Craig and the lead actresses is getting to Roger Moore levels now. That's one Bond "tradition" that needs addressing.

Rately

Quote from: CalHab on 04 September, 2020, 10:54:14 AM
The age disparity of Daniel Craig and the lead actresses is getting to Roger Moore levels now. That's one Bond "tradition" that needs addressing.

Really is an old duffer by now! Loved the line in the trailer about shooting him in his good knee!

TordelBack

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 04 September, 2020, 10:27:29 AM
But it is Bond. Isn't your criticism a bit like saying "sound in vacuum, are we still at this?" for Star Wars?

One is an enjoyable fiction, the other is a crappy way to still be treating people with facial scarring. It's bit like if we'do continued to base every sitcom around the once-obvious hilarity of weak gay men and pitiable transvestites.

And current Star Wars is a prime offender too - look.at how Ben Solo's redemption comes with the removal of his eeeevil scar.

repoman

I loved the first two Craig Bonds.  The next two less so.  Maybe because they went back to being authentic silly Bond movies where as I liked the change of pace that Daniel Craig brought initially.

Best Bond since Moore.