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Yay.  Go war.

Yay. I love propaganda, me!

A call for the media not to report every detail of this, twelve minutes into the BBC ten o'clock news coverage of it.

I'm gonna sign up for the Starship Troopers!

So many tasteless jokes, so little time...

Prince Harry, helping to expand the imperial empire against the darkies again.

Thus far this thread has restored my faith in humanity.

Prince Harry is doing his bit.

Are You?

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I concur. Best place for him. I actually like him because he truly is a Royal in the old-fashioned tradition: too thick and arrogant and occupied with shagging anything that moves to have the slightest bit of self-awareness. Anyway, I apologise to the couple of posters who wont find this funny, but he already had his uniform pressed.

 All because of an oil pipeline that hasnt been built yet .

 Why did the BBC choose to cover this event and then build a whole news story around it all about how security has been compromised ?


 

 Stupid but thats par for the course these days.
 

 It was a bit disappointing Paul Verhoven never made another Starship Troopers film.

and three cheers to Harry for his detailed knowledge of how normal people live

"I haven't really had a shower for four days, I haven't washed my clothes for a week.

"It's very nice to be sort of a normal person for once, I think it's about as normal as I'm going to get. "

yours wondering if it's normal for people in the UK to not shower for four days...was Edna Everage right?

I wonder if there will be a similar news blackout for his first interrogation.

Chortle.  Those pesky terrorists!

wondering if it's normal for people in the UK to not shower for four days

Well, it's normal for me. I just seem to be so busy these days, y'know?

Lynx for the armpits, Febreze for the gusset

sorted

George Carlin says:

"You don't need to shower every day, you just need to do the four basic areas; armpits, asshole, crotch and teeth.  If you really want to save time you can use the same brush on all four."

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oboyox3L_MI

I keep forgetting just how moronic some of the people on this board are...

I'm a total anti-royalist, but I have to say that after seeing this story, the levels of bile I reserve for Harry lessened someone, and were even tempered with a slight grudging admiration.

I loved how one of the headlines on Skytext was "I'm a total bullet magnet" admits Harry"

Yes Harold, I'm sure it's all an awfully big adventure.

That's because you're a relatively normal human being, RAC (as opposed to being a moron).

Ah c'mon. Just because he's joined the army doesn't mean I have to be nice about him all of a sudden.

Harry playing soldiers doesnt bother me at all.

Now those S.African students I saw on 4 news last night, thats a different story.

A right good kicking is needed there and I hope they get it.

 Sometimes serving in the armed forces actually involves going to war zones believe it or not but i dont see why this should be headline news in the first place .If he is serving in the military and thats what he wants to do then i dont see it as anyone elses business to comment on it TBH like i saw last night on news coverage.


 Also its wrong to get the military and politics mixed up as they are 2 different things.


 Also the slant of the media coverage is that i should be concerned [as a subject]for his well being more so than anyone else serving in Afghanistan.I am sure he didnt sign up for a desk job.

 Stupid Media.




 

The whole thing just fucks me off.  Spends his time partying- slag him off.  Joins the army, but isn't allowed to fight- slag him off.  Fights in secret (and God forbid anybody might give him a break for getting off his arse and doing something)- slag him off.  It's pathetic and boring.

It's war that pisses me off, I couldn't give tuppence for Harry.

Well you should- the same as you should give a toss for anyone else fighting over there.  You might not agree with the war (and I don't either)- but you ought to support the troops.

I can almost certainly guarantee that in the unlikely event we ever need defending at home, you'll be one of the first people praying that the army will take a few bullets for you.

I think the reason people slag him off is that he's royalty, born with the silver spoon, so most of what he does seems like a publicity stunt. When he joined the army and then was told he wasn't being sent over there to fight, it sent the message that "Yes, Harry's life is worth protecting, but the rest of you can still go." Then this story comes out, and the news networks and even Gordon Brown are condemning foreign news networks for blowing Harry's cover, while at the same time, sending Harry their best wishes and then as an afterthought "...and all the other brave soldiers.". It's total bollocks. He's either a soldier or he's not, and I don't buy this "He needs to be protected" lark, because that sends a crappy message out to everyone else who's over there.

But then, I'm Irish, so my respect for the royal family is thin to begin with.

When he joined the army and then was told he wasn't being sent over there to fight, it sent the message that "Yes, Harry's life is worth protecting, but the rest of you can still go." Then this story comes out, and the news networks and even Gordon Brown are condemning foreign news networks for blowing Harry's cover, while at the same time, sending Harry their best wishes and then as an afterthought "...and all the other brave soldiers.". It's total bollocks. He's either a soldier or he's not, and I don't buy this "He needs to be protected" lark, because that sends a crappy message out to everyone else who's over there.


So, basically you agree with what Harry himself was saying?

No I shouldn't - I'm fundamentally opposed to all violence.

Killing is murder no matter how you dress it up.  Now I'm not saying that life is sacred - I don't believe in sanctity any more than I believe in sin, but I do know right from wrong.  To my eyes, all war is civil war.

Now, when you say that I should give a toss for anyone else fighting over there, I gather you're not referring to the people who own the place.

"So, basically you agree with what Harry himself was saying?"

In principle I suppose. But don't tell anyone.....

Sorry- aren't you the guy that's been promoting a war comic?

Now piss off and take your mind reading with you.

Oh, and in the unlikely event we ever need defending at home, I'll be one of the first people helping the wounded - of both sides.

Praying indeed.

No, I will not piss off.  Do you always insult people who disagree with you?

Yes, I read war comics.  They convey the horror and futility of war far better than Hollywood.  Charley's War made me a lifelong pacifist.  Now be careful, you seem to be taking the stance that violent art breeds violent behaviour.

Mind reading?

In principle I suppose. But don't tell anyone.....


Heh... I think I've slipped into some alternate world where I'm sticking up for the royal family!

The man has the courage of his convictions and to have even set foot in Afghanastan makes him braver than me, and I'd assume 99% of this board. Not big pro-royal or pro-war but given this guy's troubled upbringing in the public eye to allow him less than full respect stikes me as churlish in the extreme.

I'll be one of the first people helping the wounded - of both sides.

That's beautiful man, just don't get caught helping injured Volgs when the war starts, Savage wouldn't be happy!

Exactly, Buttonman.  Exactly.

Apart from the bit about helping the wounded on both sides, I mean...

If we were being in invaded, that's the kind of action I'd expect from a moron.

OK, so if you were wounded in action, and a non-combatant from the opposing nation tried to help you, you'd refuse their aid?

Sorry, THAT's moronic.

Harry is doing his share, same as Andrew did in the Falklands. Think the lad deserved a chance to prove himself without the glare of the press, and now that the Yanks have blown it all over the world he's going to most likely end up being moved.

I'm not big on the Royals, but I'm of the opinion that if Harry wanted to do this, and this was the only way it was workable- then good work sorting it.

Bolt-01

 If anyone has an argument about conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan should take those arguments to the politicians in this country and leave the military alone.
 
 It also pisses me off when you hear someone like Gordon Brown saying "Our brave soldiers are doing a great job etc ".Well its a good job we do have "brave soldiers" to fight questionable wars as i am sure you wouldnt find many in Parliment who would be brave enought to fight for the causes in which they constantly crow on about.

 Cowards and hypocrites.


 "Its a waste of taxpayers money " say some in their misguided ignorance.There are plenty of those in parliment too.


 Prince Harry didnt choose to be born into the Royal Family any more than you or i chose to be born into whatever class or family you are part of.I am not a royalist but i think he is setting a good example by not constantly partying on the civil list.Would anyone here like to have every aspect of their life scrutinised by the media and commented on by everyone else ?

 I dont think so.

 
 

Mind reading really suits you, doesn't it?

For what it's worth- I would accept the aid.  The person aiding me would be the moron- especially if I was invading their country.  Try to keep up.

There's only one way to settle this - FIGHT!

If we could assemble teams that would be spiffing and bloodforthebaron - surely the most agressively named pacifist in town- could attend to all wounded.

Maybe so, but I'd help you anyway.  I could not in good conscience watch you suffer and do nothing, no matter how different you may be.

I'm bemused at this assumption of my telepathic ability.  After all, you're the one who presumes to know how I would act and feel.

I never thought I'd say it- but I totally agree with your post, Peter.

Especially that last bit.

but you ought to support the troops.

Why? A genuine question. I simply don't understand why I'm supposed to suspend all intellectual or political judgement just because some people are doing the job they are paid to do.

And getting back to the pressing business of being a moron: I see that Harry's being sent home now that he's had his little holiday in other people's misery and we've had the idea reinforced that he actually really wants to get out there and "do his bit" and can we just forget about all the boyish antics and take him seriously from now on please.

Very cynical Cosh. These guys are facing hostile fire every day with crappy pay and equipment in the worst enviroment possible. The only reason people have the ability to make snidey remarks hiding behind their PCs is that we have freedom and democracy which was hard won and has to be defended.

Put the wooly liberals in charge and see how long it is before all you hold dear is lost. We have to have a strong military and resolve because the other guy does and he isn't giving up or listening to the Bernard Rightons of this world.

Look it's time for Bullet again.

The man has the courage of his convictions and to have even set foot in Afghanastan makes him braver than me, and I'd assume 99% of this board.

I have no interest whatsoever in the comings or goings of the British Royal Family, but I'm bloody glad I wasn't born into it.  Any kid who chooses to represent his country by putting his arse on the line has my respect, whether I agree with the war in question or not.  I know a man who's currently serving in Afghanistan, and I've been lucky enough to work with a great Afghani bloke whose family were forced to flee their country, and from talking to both of  them I can safely say that you'd have to put a gun to my head to get me to do what all those lads are doing.  

I already told you why.  You might not agree with where they are and what they're doing- but it's not like they get to pick and choose where they go and fight.  I don't blame the troops for the choices that our government make and neither should you.  I don't believe our troops should be there- but they ARE there- with shit kit, fighting a pointless war and little or no sympathy for those that are injured or killed.

Would you like to trade places with them?

And again, one day, they might actually be defending YOU.

As to Harry- I think Peter already covered that.  He's in his position by an accident of birth.  True, he'll never want for anything (other than the opportunity of a normal life- and by normal, I mean the freedom to do what 90% of anyone else his age is allowed to do without some smug cocksack pointing at him and going on about what a waste of time he is), but would you really want to trade places with him?

I know I wouldn't.

"I'm bemused at this assumption of my telepathic ability. After all, you're the one who presumes to know how I would act and feel."

I stand by my original observation: you are a moron.

The evidence states otherwise.

Does your father know you're using the computer?

I'm in the 'he's a soldier,he's on active service' camp.

I don't think *anyone* in the armed forces joins up unaware,or unwilling to carry out their role when the time comes.I'm not waving the flag or owt,but ye know,I spent some time in military circles (without actually joining) and hey!guess what?They're the same as civilians!Same concerns about their kids,jobs,health etc.Some right tossers-just like any big organisation.

Speaking of Harry specifically,I wasn't too enamoured of his "We do bad things to bad people" hat.That asserts a moral superiority IMHO to *any* potential enemy that cannot be justified.

The situation may explain why the BBC have been focussing on the Afghanistan situation over the last while...

M.

Killing is murder no matter how you dress it up.

To my eyes, all war is civil war.

Bearing in mind that both these terms have strict legal definitions, I'd say that this was a rather poor argument intended to tweak the heartstrings and no more.

Also, and I'll confess my knowledge here isn't that awesome, so I'm prepared to be corrected, but I wouldn't put Action Force down in the 'portraying the horrors of war' camp.

Well, 'all killing is murder' is patently untrue in the light of the definition of the latter word, but there's merit in the 'all war is civil war' statement, even if as a truism it doesn't make any useful moral claims - is one 'worse' than the other?

It's not an argument, it's my opinion.  There are no intentions - take it how you like.

And sure, much of the Action Force strip is gung-ho bravado, I was more referring to Battle comic as a whole.

"Now, when you say that I should give a toss for anyone else fighting over there, I gather you're not referring to the people who own the place"

"if you were wounded in action, and a non-combatant from the opposing nation tried to help you, you'd refuse their aid"

Both perfectly good examples of mind reading (although the second one is actually a better example of you being incredibly stupid, given that it was almost the exact opposite of the scenario I proposed).

Frankly, the Father/computer comic comment isn't worth the witty put-down.  Grow up.

Right.  "You're a moron." is so clever.

"...but I wouldn't put Action Force down in the 'portraying the horrors of war' camp"

Me neither...

But you are a moron.  Or a bullshitter.  I've not quite made my mind up yet.

I can just tell which thread is going to be the one worth reading just from the topic line these days...it's a gift!

"You're a moron." is so clever.

Hey, if it's good enough for the lyrics of the first single that Zenith every bought, then it's good enough for a 2000AD discussion board.

I also like the way you pick at the one part of my reply you think you might score points with, Professor X...

Piss off and stop wasting my time.

Bullshitter?  Back that up.

As for the "mind reading", I said "OK, so if you were wounded in action, and a non-combatant from the opposing nation tried to help you, you'd refuse their aid?"

You left off the question mark in your quote, making it sound like an assumption.  Don't twist the facts.

Oh, I'm not trying to score points.  I couldn't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks.

But rest assured, if I could read minds, I'd pick at something with little more meat on the bone.

No problem- you claim to be anti war, when you're involved with war comics.  You then claim to champion the likes of Charlie's War (which I can't fault) while cheerfully ignoring the rest of the content- most of which is decidedly not anti war.

As for the quote- simple oversight on my part- I also cut off the beginning- but I'll give you that one as it's a get out I've used myself before now.  Of course, assuming that I was deliberately twisting the facts is mind reading in itself, so...

All that aside, it's still a remarkably stupid question to ask, given that it had nothing to do with what I said.  At all.

"But rest assured, if I could read minds, I'd pick at something with little more meat on the bone."

Oh dear, more cutting playground remarks in the absence of any real argument.  Does your Father know you're on the computer?

Sure, but reading war comics, watching war films, playing war games and so on doesn't turn someone into a killer, art and entertainment are far removed from reality.  I enjoy a good action story as much as the next man, but I choose not to emulate it.

My comment regarding you being wounded in action was a hypothetical argument, mirroring your comment designed to illustrate the opposing argument - I didn't once presume to tell you how you might feel.

So yeah, enough with the snippy comments, being repeatedly called a moron for clearly expressing my views got on my tits, but I'll stop taking strips off you.  I am not a bullshitter.

Its a rum old story isnt it ? I'm in the generally dispise landowning feudal toffs and royals with their inbred moronish faces & bad hats gracing hello magazine camp.. until they proove themselves otherwise, people are just people after all.

but watching young Harry talking, he did come across as a normal enough bloke, i wonder if all the privilage they get balances out with all the shit they've been though ? I wonder what the hells going on with this story, whos playing what media game & why ?

War is shit, end of, for everyone. Big respect for all the people who do that soldier job, even tho i am very opposed all the decisions further up the chain that put them there.

Its bollocks to say we're not 'brave' if we don't choose to fight in Afghanistan tho, theres other forms of bravery than doing a job where the end product basically results in death. We make choices.

I'll stop there before i start releasing the peace doves, praying for everyone & unilaterally nursing sick puppies tho.

Fair enough.

Although my point about your hypothetical situation is that it bore no resemblance to the point I had made.

My argument was that anyone who helped an invading soldier was a moron.

Your counter point was that an invading soldier refusing help from the enemy was a moron.  That neither mirrors my comment nor illustrates an opposing argument, does it?  It's a separate set of circumstances entirely.

Well, we're clearly never going to see eye-to-eye on this.  I think my argument wasn't that the non-combatant ISN'T a moron, but that the wounded soldier is a moron too, by way of juxtaposition.

Sorry, it's not just a case of us not seeing eye to eye (which I can live with, by the way), it's that the analogy you're using is seriously flawed in that it has nothing whatsoever to do with my point.

It's not even in the same ballpark.  I'm not even sure it's the same game.

Can you really not see that?

 I just heard another soundbite from gordon Brown praising the armed forces in Afghanistan.


 Nothing at all wrong with that except the mouth it is coming out of.


 "They do a difficult job etc under very difficult conditions etc "


 Shame the Government cant support them properly either while over there [by cuts in military spending and lack of proper equipment etc ] or even when they get back here since you get homelessness , lack of medical care , closure of nearly all military hospitals , exposure to radioactive pariculates in the dusty atmosphere from depleted uranium , the refusal to acknowledge and compensate and treat "Gulf War Syndrome ",exposure to chemicals , dodgy innoculations to military personell,lack of financial support to bereaved families ,injured service personnel being left waiting on interminable NHS hospital waiting lists  ......


 Honestly the list goes on.


 So listening to these mealy mouthed war mongering  self /big business serving parasitic  cowards  liars and hypocrites leaves rather a bad taste in my mouth whenever/everytime  i listen to them.



 Service personel deserve everyones support and it doesnt help to muddle the argument by confusing the two issues.


 Everyone involved is a victim regardless of the politics.


  While the real criminals escape justice , wash the blood off their hands and go on to earn a million quid a month on the lecture circuit.

 They are the real enemy to peace and justice.


 I would fight against invasion and home grown tyranny at the drop of a hat.



 [This beats reading pages and pages of schedules of works and specs !]

with you there brother !

Kill em all ! up against the wall etc

Well, your point is that somebody who helps an enemy soldier is a moron.  That's not a proven fact, it's just your opinion - the only way I can counter it is to offer an alternative, and equal, point of view.

Either that, or go "Oh no they're not."

I wish he was more like his father, or at least his mum's ex-husband

Ginger and Out!

I had a feeling this thread would turn into a car crash...

The fact that there's still a war to fight after almost seven years in Afghanistan is the most shameful element of all this bullshit. Nobody gave a fuck about the Taliban before that. Let them shoot all the musicians they want. The news coverage last night made me think of Starship Troopers. That is all.

But that isn't an alternative or equal point of view, is it?  It's an entirely different point altogether.

Your scenario brings up a point that I never even made- that the soldier refusing aid is as big a moron than a man giving it.  Where did this come from?  Who is this previously unmentioned soldier who is foolish enough to turn away aid from the enemy and what on Earth does it have to do with my opinion that anyone aiding an invading soldier is a moron?

Seriously, I need to know how your brain works now, because from where I'm sitting, "oh no they're not", is looking like a reasonable and balanced argument.

Let me try and run it by you again.  I said:

"Apart from the bit about helping the wounded on both sides, I mean...

If we were being invaded, that's the kind of action I'd expect from a moron."

You said:

"OK, so if you were wounded in action, and a non-combatant from the opposing nation tried to help you, you'd refuse their aid?

Sorry, THAT's moronic."

Now... I'd like you to sit and tell me how you've arrived at such a leap of logic.  How have you logically applied your scenario to my original point?

Can anyone else explain it to me?  In all honesty, I'm genuinely interested in seeing how many people can make such a mental leap of logic.  How is that a counter point, exactly?

Grud, but it's good to see the Eyebrows let rip every now and again.     As long as you're not in the firing line yourself, that is...

If he meets up with this lot he can talk about shooting on his mum's estates

Link: nice friends...

Oh no they're not.

Well you definitely are.

Look, the hypothetical scenario is the non-combatant giving aid to the wounded soldier from the opposing country / planet / tribe / forum.

This was spawned by your allegation "I can almost certainly guarantee that in the unlikely event we ever need defending at home, you'll be one of the first people praying that the army will take a few bullets for you."

To which I replied "in the unlikely event we ever need defending at home, I'll be one of the first people helping the wounded - of both sides.  Praying indeed."

Now, you stated that the non-combatant in the hypothetical scenario would be a moron to give aid to the wounded soldier, thereby implying that you did not agree with his actions.

I then postulated that were you the wounded soldier in said hypothetical scenario, that you probably wouldn't feel so strongly about said non-combatant's compassion as he repaired your internal organs.  It's a direct role reversal.

You may still think that he is a moron for his actions, but my point is that you'd have to be a bigger moron to continue fighting him, as I'm sure was quite apparent long ago.

Now, I expect there's plenty here for you to nitpick your little heart out, and I've tried a few times to agree to disagree with both good humour and grace, and yet you're still jumping up and down on the spot pointing your finger and calling me a moron.

Fine, you may think me a moron.  I think you're a total moron, but nonetheless it is exactly what I would do.  Even if said hypothetical enemy soldier were to hypothetically recover and then hypothetically try to hypothetically kill me, in my opinion it would still be the right thing to do.

JEB's only short you know, and a real pussy-cat in real life...honest!

I think this thread needs some "Whataboutery" to deflect the general disagreements and other such nonsense.  

I had a piece of toast for lunch today.  What about you?

:D

Onion bagel.

I'm confused now, whos on first base?

I had a Mcdonalds, and my colon already regrets it.

The word "moron" or derivatives thereof have been used 27 times in this thread. 28 now.

I had a cheese sandwich, followed by Walkers MAX. Breakfast of champions!

"The word "moron" or derivatives thereof have been used 27 times in this thread. 28 now."

No it's still 27, it was "colon" I said.

No, I meant 27 before my post, and then my saying it brought it up to 28.

"I then postulated that were you the wounded soldier in said hypothetical scenario, that you probably wouldn't feel so strongly about said non-combatant's compassion as he repaired your internal organs. It's a direct role reversal.

You may still think that he is a moron for his actions, but my point is that you'd have to be a bigger moron to continue fighting him, as I'm sure was quite apparent long ago."

Hahaha!  Fuck off!  You said no such thing and you know it!

You've got the bollocks to call me for missing a question mark off the end of one of your quotes when you're quite happy to sit there and add to your little fantasy, in an attempt to put an entirely different spin on it!

Either way, it's still not a direct role reversal and never will be because it's a win win scenario for the injured soldier.  Of course he's not going to turn down first aid.  Who in their right mind would?!?

I don't need to nitpick.  Your analogy simply doesn't stand up, even with the added information you've tacked to back it up.  Good humour and grace?!?  You're priceless, mate!  I've seen one reply from you that could be interpreted as good humoured- and even that's pushing it a bit.

You are either genuinely stupid or just desperate to save face.  Being a lot nicer than you want to give me credit for, I'm going with the latter.

Seriously, you were doing a lot better with "oh no they're not".

5'10" and a bit (never forget 'the bit) isn't short, you cheeky bastard!

Who in their right mind would?!?

Wait, wait I know this one, it's a moron isn't it?

"Stop saying that Withnail! Of course he's the fucking farmer!"

:)

Sigh.  What the fuck else could I have possibly meant?  There is no different spin.  I'm paraphrasing to keep my brain from going numb from repeating myself to you.

I called you on the question mark because it completely changed the tone of the quote, changing it from blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Nope, I'm not stupid, and as previously stated, couldn't give a flying fuck what you think so that kinda cripples your saving face theory.  I just don't agree with your pseudo macho garbage.

Now, I can sympathise that your first reaction is to destroy anything you don't understand, and I'm not remotely surprised the humour sailed over your sloping head, but kindly fuck off and bother someone else.  I'm sure there's some nice minutiae that needs alphabetising on some other thread.

we had 2 day old veggie bolognase in pitta bread, twas great !

i hope someones keeping up with the 'moron' count, i expect to see it tabulated & put into pie chart format as well.

anyone see george galloway on question time ? come the invasion brothers, i suggest we leave him too.

Oh dear.  Do you always insult people who disagree with you?

Spot the difference:

"OK, so if you were wounded in action, and a non-combatant from the opposing nation tried to help you, you'd refuse their aid?



Sorry, THAT's moronic."

"I then postulated that were you the wounded soldier in said hypothetical scenario, that you probably wouldn't feel so strongly about said non-combatant's compassion as he repaired your internal organs. It's a direct role reversal.



You may still think that he is a moron for his actions, but my point is that you'd have to be a bigger moron to continue fighting him, as I'm sure was quite apparent long ago."


That reeks of "what I meant was..." rather than, "what I said was...".  So are you telling me that I'm stupid for not reading your mind in the first place, now?  And are you really trying to say that you've not added information to your little scenario?  

In actual fact, what you did was ask a hypothetical question that had no bearing on my original statement of "anybody helping a member of an invading army is a moron*".  You can dress that up any which way you like- add as much information as you like- it just doesn't.  A shit analogy is a shit analolgy.

The rest, well... Where to start?  Obviously, my 'saving face theory' is sound- otherwise you wouldn't still be here, would you?  Also, rather interestingly, you've resorted to far more personal attacks than I have (and believe me, nobody will be more surprised about that than I am), so which of us is more likely to be in possession of a sloping head again?

I've been here for years.  You fuck off.  Preferably back to your comics glorifying war, you hypocritical fuck.

:)





*the exact quote was: "Apart from the bit about helping the wounded on both sides, I mean...

If we were being in invaded, that's the kind of action I'd expect from a moron."

That's paraphrasing.

Nono, I only ever insult people who deserve it. I' ve resorted to far more pesonal attacks?  Please.  You started calling me a moron for no reason at all.  And you kept on doing it for hours.  Petty beyond measure, mate.

"So are you telling me that I'm stupid for not reading your mind in the first place, now?"  Nope, you're stupid for many other reasons, but not this assumption, although the assumption itself is pretty fucking stupid.  I say again, what the fuck else could I have possibly meant?

My question entirely had bearing on your original statement - it was in direct reaction to it, and would not have happened otherwise.  I put the shoe on the other foot and you got all confused and fell over.

I do know what paraphrasing is, thank you.  Do you practice being condescending or is it a direct result of some inadequacy?  I'm still here because I'm still here, regardless of your hostility.  You may have been here for years, but that doesn't give you credibility.

I am not a hypocrite, nor am I a liar, nor stupid, or indeed a moron.  I have the ability to differentiate between entertainment and reality, and to choose my actions and reactions accordingly.  I read outer space comics too, doesn't make me a fucking astronaut.

Lets give peace a chance.

And yet you still can't see that your analogy is flawed?

Shame.

>> Chortle. Those pesky terrorists!

If it hadn't been for those pesky terrorists, Prince John would have fallen into Volgan hands.

I've warmed a bit towards Harry today after reading the various reports. However, I will never accept that we should give the military our unquestioned support. Balance is needed.

And when the invasion starts, maybe I'll tie one of the enemies shoelaces together or something.

It ain't.

The real shame is the ridicule and victimisation you've been put me through here today just for speaking my mind.  Hard not to take it personally when it turns that petty.  You even started a poll to garner attention to your side - a poll with only one option!  I know that was accidental but it still speaks for itself.  LOL.  I voted for you.

The line "you probably wouldn't feel so strongly about said non-combatant's compassion as he repaired your internal organs" was utter sarcasm, I wholly admit that I embellished the point out of sheer boredom, but the message stayed the same.

Now, you may be content to walk on by when you see somebody screaming in agony, that's the case that you've been arguing here, but I am compelled to act.  Doesn't make either of us right, wrong or stupid, just different.  I don't get where you're coming from and vice versa.

There is a common misconception (get off your high horse, lowbrows, I didn't say it was yours) that being a pacifist is akin to being a pussy.  It is not.  I choose not to fight back, to not further the cycle of violence, but I also refuse to yield.  I am confident enough in my self-control to know that no matter how angry I become, it will never spill over into violence.

Regardless, I've been reading 2000AD since prog 606, and will do so until either it or I die.  I love pretty much all the stories, but for me, the heartwrenchers have longer lasting appeal.  I shall dip in and out of as many forums as and when I please, I am not put off by any of this bollocks.

I'm really talking about the grunts on the ground, as opposed to the military in general- but I get your point.

If you are or were in the Armed Forces, you'd know what a Zob is. Prince Harry is the epitome of a Zob. And we all know what a ranker thinks of Zobs. I find it slightly offensive that people want this so called soldier to leave because *shock horror* poor diddums might get hurt or killed. SO COULD EVERY OTHER FUCKING SOLDIER!!! He's a SOLDIER (it seems). Could you think of any worse way to disrespect the Mafia/er..Royal Family if he's pulled out? What would his Regiment think? Andrew fought in the Falklands, why can't Harry fight too?

Personally, I think all royalty are wretched, outdated human beings who have no place in modern society. And I hate Military Officers with a passion so (if I wasn't a pacifist)) I wouldn't give a fuck if someone unloaded an AK47 magazine from his left hip to right collarbone.

The whole thing just fucks me off. Spends his time partying- slag him off. Joins the army, but isn't allowed to fight- slag him off. Fights in secret (and God forbid anybody might give him a break for getting off his arse and doing something)- slag him off. It's pathetic and boring.

To be honest I at least respect Harry for his willingness to get Blood on his own hand to support his own Kingdoms Economic interests rather then just conning lots of stupid people to do it for him. And if any Royal wants to go to the front lines then LET THEM! Itâ??s only right. They have as much a chance of getting killed as any other solder and I would say more of a vested interest in winning. Shame its not compulsory.

As for the Partying thing I would be inclined to slag him off for not taking the opportunity to party more. I mean "future kings brother" and all means he should have done so much partying that he should at least look like Keith Richards does now by the time he was 21. he didnâ??t go for it enough IMO.

All because of an oil pipeline that hasnâ??t been built yet .

If anyone has an argument about conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan should take those arguments to the politicians in this country and leave the military alone.

Peter Wolf you should get a gold star for your comments on this thread as they have been completely and utterly so spot on.

You are all over the place there Monty. So many pacifists out there with a barely concealed blood lust. Just be grateful that you live in a country where being a pacifist is an option along with your assinine free speech.

I think he's being withdrawn because of the additional attention his known presence would attract to his unit.

Oh and what the fuck have you ever done to support or defend this country? Talking pish on a comic messageboard hardly ranks with fighting the Taliban does it?

I've been interested to read some criticism of the media approach to this issue.

IMO this is the best-behaved the media have ever been. Everyone kept quiet - and that's fucking difficult to do in this day and age - until the cat was out of the bag and now the stories being run were, largely, prepared with MoD co-operation.

I say good for Harry. He had a go at being a proper soldier, as much as he could given the bizarre life he was born into. I detest the royals in general, but in this case he took on a job and, despite all sorts of difficulties, did it as well as he was able. Who could ask for anything more than that?

It must be frustrating for him to have to come home now. And yes, he's coming home because of the risk to other troops - not just to himself as the "bullet magnet."

As for the war(s) - I don't think they should be happening and I want them to end as quickly as possible. But I have absolute admiration for every member of the armed forces and, having been a reporter covering the funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq, I hope and pray they all come home safe as soon as possible.

- Trout

 Thats my point as well in saying support the military.

 Thats just morally right as far as i am concerned.


 Nothing is unquestioned and everyone else is free to have whatever opinion they like .

 As for Pacifism and being a pacifist i am and i am not.

 I dont agree with war as i think its insane and if there was a call up i would conscientously object or abscond but thats for different reasons but i cant call myself a pacifist as its natural to fight back when attacked as far as i am concerned.


 Sometimes you need to further the cycle of violence to put a stop to it.What is morally wrong about self defence ?


 In short if i get attacked i am not going to say hey man i am a pacifist.


 Each to their own obviously .

Oh stop embarrassing yourself.  Ridicule is a two way street and you've been riding up and down it like an eight year old all fucking day.

What are you a victim of, exactly?  My opinion?  My inability to roll over and accept the mental hurdles you've attempted to jump through to prove your point?

Hold any opinion you like about whatever you like- but please don't whine about ridicule and victimisation, just because you're clinging to a fucking ridiculous analogy that makes NO SENSE in the context of my point.

And for fuck's sake- please stop with the mind reading.  Why was the poll to garner attention to my side?  It was a simple yes or no poll- or would've been if I hadn't fucked it up.  Get over it.

And if you really want to play the victim- best you lay off the snarky 'lowbrows' comments and the like- otherwise you just end up looking like a twat.

One of my oldest friends is currently on his third tour of Afghanistan. I hope all of our people come home safe too, and wish them all well. That includes Harry, even though I'm no royalist.

Afghanistan has been in ruins since the 1970s. September the 11th, and the subsequent invasion, were a prime opportunity to make a stand against the caveman politics of the Taliban and the Arab militants they harboured. We could have drawn a line and rebuilt that country, and done something worth doing. Instead we do it on the cheap because most of our resources are needed to start an aggressive illegal war in Iraq. We could have got rid of Saddam Hussein for £12.99 at the end of the first Gulf War if George Bush hadn't been worried about seeing body bags coming home during an election campaign.

This whole thing is an absolute fucking tragedy with no end in site apart from the cut and run strategy. We've made things far worse ourselves than 'Al Qaeda' could ever have dreamed of achieving themselves. And it all leads to abhorrent propaganda like the shite I saw on the news last night.


PS If you equate 'don't attack Iraq' with 'I support Saddam Hussein' then Tony Blair has done his job.

You've been abusive and hostile - I'm not whinging about it, just stating the facts.

You jump over hurdles, not through them.  That would be hoops you were thinking of.

I honestly have no idea what you think mind reading means but for the rest of us it's telepathy.

Your point was little more than "This is what I think and that's the end of it."

The poll was biased to your side because the question was "is the medic a moron?" (essentially) as opposed to "which of these two is the moron - the soldier or the medic?"  Get it?

Anyway, this thread is getting back on track, I keep trying to finish this farce and you keep scribbling over everything.  I was over it ages ago, but you just keep on back-pedalling.

I think Johnnylowbrows quite suits you.

i hope someones keeping up with the 'moron' count, i expect to see it tabulated & put into pie chart format as well.

I make it one so far.

This thread is beautiful.

We should at least thank Harry for providing us with so many memories.

You've been abusive and hostile - I'm not whinging about it, just stating the facts.

You've been just as abusive and just as hostile- so what?  And you are whining about it.



You jump over hurdles, not through them. That would be hoops you were thinking of.

You are quite correct- I mixed my metaphors there.  So what?  Oh yes, that's right- you've been playing the snarky remarks game the whole time I've been abusive and hostile towards you, haven't you?  Of course, you're the victim in all this- so that's ok.



I honestly have no idea what you think mind reading means but for the rest of us it's telepathy.

Would "us" be the people in your head?  'Mind reading' is used on many forums I frequent.  It means that one person is making assumptions about another person's actions or motives that could really only be deduced by reading that person's mind.  A good example would be, "I don't like apples", with somebody else saying "So!  You like oranges then!".  Another good example would be "You even started a poll to garner attention to your side", when you cannot possibly know that for sure unless you're- wait for it- reading my mind.  But you already knew that (did you see what I did there?).



Your point was little more than "This is what I think and that's the end of it."

 My point is actually an opinion- my opinion.  So what?  You don't have to agree with it and I'm not asking you to.  I'm not sure what your point is here.  What are you trying to say, exactly?  As far as I can see, you never actually did anything to countered my opinion- you just launched into a very bad analogy that had nothing to do with it.



The poll was biased to your side because the question was "is the medic a moron?" (essentially) as opposed to "which of these two is the moron - the soldier or the medic?" Get it?

Oh dear, it's all falling apart for you, isn't it, my little poppet?  There are only so many times that I can point out your analogy bore no meaning to my statement, so there was no room for it within my poll.  I'm almost tempted to go with 'mind reading' for this one as well, but I think it's more likely to be down to simple stupidity and a persecution complex on your part.  I have an opinion- maybe you've heard it?  It goes something like this: I think you'd have to be a moron to offer medical aid to an invading force.  I was attempting to poll the boarders on that opinion alone.  Sadly, it really is a 'yes or no' question.  You are, of course, more than welcome to set up a poll of your own, asking whatever question you like.



Anyway, this thread is getting back on track, I keep trying to finish this farce and you keep scribbling over everything. I was over it ages ago, but you just keep on back-pedalling.

Ah.  Finally.  Some good old fashioned bullshit.  That's easy to work with.  You keep trying to finish this, you say?  How exactly?  By more name calling?  With sarcasm?  By walking away at any time?  It's a good job you're able to take the high road, isn't it?  How am I back-pedalling, exactly?  My opinion has been consistent, I haven't had to embellish it at all and I haven't once agreed that your analogy stands up.  Maybe you've mixed up back-pedalling with something else, like I did with hoops and hurdles.  It happens.  Or it could just be more bullshit, I suppose.  More to the point, why is it only me that's "scribbling over everything"?  Is your opinion more valid than mine?  Please- I'm genuinely curious as to how you reach these conclusions.



I think Johnnylowbrows quite suits you.

Ah.  Another valiant attempt to 'finish this'.  I salute you, sir!

How on earth is it churlish to give Harry less than full respect? He's innately non-respectworthy, being in the royal family.  He's a bit like those people who used to read bumps on heads for clues to personality (I can't remember what they're called).  No matter how brave one of them acted, I would always be thinking of their ridiculous profession.  
  I'd respect him a bit if he resigned as prince - anyway our respect hardly matters to him - it's not like we get to vote for him or anything


respectfully yours,

Floyd

"I make it one so far."

So glad we can finally agree on something.  Don't worry- you're not the first moron to grace the board and you won't be the last.

:)

OK I'm bordering on incredulity now, and have about as much interest in repeating myself as I do in Prince Harry.  However...

I am not whinging, nor am I anyone's victim.  I'm just pointing out your crummy behaviour.  One man's snarkiness is another man's wit.  I make a play on words, you call me names.  Bravo.

It's been fun watching you move in very tight circles, but honestly, you're going to argue with that merely becuase I said it so whatever.

I'm going to go watch TV now, go and annoy somebody else.  You prick.

people who used to read bumps on heads for clues to personality

Phrenologists.  Hey, at least they offered a service, even if it was only to provide a target for latter day antipodean ridicule.  Much like JEB and BFTB, god bless 'em.  

Satchmo comes dangerously close to making sense of it all.   I wouldn't piss on the Taliban if they were on fire, and at the start of this grim buisness I was delighted to see them getting the kicking they so richly deserved, but the whole project has been fucked up so badly it's hard to argue that it's done anything but strengthen their long-term prospects.

Phrenologists.

How you can judge someone you've never met based soley on his circumstances of birth? If I called you a convict descendant kangaroo interferer how would that be different?

I'm not arguing anymore but the respect I've gained for Harry has been donated by some of the people on here. Embarrassed to be associated with some of the commments posted.

Thanks for playing, dick head!  Come back anytime!

:)

I rest my case...

Sure, you can read "whatever" as a concession if you like.  It's not though.

LEAVE BFTB ALONE, HE'S A HUMAN.

Can't help yourself, can you, mate?

Off you go now.

Here's your handy 'the Volgs are at the door' list of who to call if you want fighting, fence sitting or have enemy wounded to be tended to. Looks like the borad is marginally pro-Harry. Plaese feel free to bemoan your position if it is not accurately presented.

And you're mind reading again...

I neither agree nor disagree with any of my above comments. Put me on the fence! :)

This thread's *fantastic* and I'm not even the cause! ;)

The Boys Own Adventure depiction of war in various media reports is fairly sickening, but that's got little to do with the Royal they're using to do it.

In a recent television advert for the UK army, they depict a scene where an "enemy combatant" is being treated in a UK army medical facility.  

Whether or not that's moronic...

  I have  [forgotten what i was going to say]

 


 I hate the media coverage as it has this slant that is suggesting that we are all concerned little fawning subjects sitting round at home endlessly fascinated and concerned by everything Prince Harry does and every minutae of his life.


 I think its a bit pathetic.

If only Prince Harry himself came on here posting strong opinions about continuity errors in The Cal Files. Then it would be the best thread ever :)

FENCE MEEE! ( But don't fence me in)

I neither like long-hairs or bullet-tops.

Both should take it easy on their fellow men and all corrupt politicians should be assassinated. Instead of the nice ones. Like MLK and... erm..?

People on soapboxes should be made aware that they are a target.

Link: Take it away Bing

Buttonman, I'm totally groovin' on that shirt you've got me/us wearing.

Phrenologists.

 That's the word. Thanks.

How you can judge someone you've never met based soley on his circumstances of birth?

 I'm not judging him, I'm judging the position, which is innately ridiculous.

  If I called you a convict descendant kangaroo interferer how would that be different?
   - It would be inaccurate, since I'm not descended from convicts and don't interfere with kangaroos.  Harry is in the royal family.

I'm not arguing anymore

 - you're not? It looks like you are. If you're not arguing, what are you doing? Or do you mean you're not arguing any more after this post?

 but the respect I've gained for Harry has been donated by some of the people on here. Embarrassed to be associated with some of the commments posted.

  - well that's just weird. It's not like Harry is suffering on account of this messageboard. By the way, what is the wider British public's reaction to finding out he's in Afghanistan?  

Can I look at it another way?

How many of G. W. Bush's sons are fighting or even getting near the war in Iraq and Afghanistan?

 How many of China's premier leader's children are willing to take the pail?

How many of Russia's super power elite a holding down the fort?

The Royal family give me the reality of the mistakes of history. Premiers and Prime-Ministers, Presidents and Mugabe are all people who cut a break to be the most powerful people in the world.

These Royals that you talk of are living in history. They do nothing but understand history. And not from a textbook and not from a high IQ. They have to endure all of their horrible traditions and uphold all historical morals and values, to know and understand where they went wrong. It reminds me that the world is never going to forget.

These new kids on the block are all hunting that Empire and it's not right in the way of heading forward.

They show great restraint and have handed over millions back to the world. They are not a museum piece because a museum piece does not understand what is at stake or can act to contradict history's mistakes.


If my great-grand dad was the Ripper, I would hate to think that anyone would think of me as someone equally capable. (To strangers anyone could be, I know)

This is very appropriate to cover any worries we, as a nation, may be having about a certain trial concerning a certain road accident in France though, doesn't it?

War; I suffer for art and I respect that other people die for it.


As someone easily influenced by their environment, I would have to say I don't know whether I'd help that injured soldier or whether I would kill the person, after they had aided me, injured in my mission.  War does strange things to people when they are in the thick of it.

"Whether or not that's moronic..."

Was he part of an invading force, roaming through the streets of London?

There's a time and place for compassion for the enemy.  Sometimes it's prudent, sometimes it's not.

"This thread's *fantastic* and I'm not even the cause! ;)"

It's brilliant, isn't it?  It really took the tedium out of an extremely boring job I was doing yesterday.  Of course, it did make the job take longer and I had to work late- but at least I had entertainment while I was doing it.

Maybe today I can tell people that I think they'd be stupid not to wear trainers and some silly billy with too much time on his hands can spend the day arguing that I'd be even more stupid not to wear an anorak.

Which would make about as much sense.

:D

Great graph Buttonman, and great thread goaty, JEB and BFTB.  At times I wasn't sure if I'd started playing Forumwarz.

Love this thread armchair theorists talking about what they would do if they were in the situation. As one of the few here who does know what its like most of you would crap yourself.

I suppose I class myself as a bit of a Royalist but I'm no huge fan of the princes but anyone willing to join any branch of the armed forces and then not take the easy option out when offered has my respect.

Only a moron wouldn't wear trainers.  Are you wearing trainers, TordelBack?

I've been waiting for you and and the other hairy arsed ex-squaddies to show up and give some input since yesterday.

And, as noted elsewhere, I would indeed be hiding under my bed, crying my eyes out and waiting for the army to arrive.

As one of the few here who does know what its like most of you would crap yourself.

No arguments there.

As to the trainers, err...

Awesome thread but it needs more bumsex.

I personally think that it was worth Harry going to Afghanistan just for the beyond parody poster that came free with The Sun.

Awesome thread but it needs more bumsex.

But wouldn't talking about the Royal Navy deviate from the original issue a tad, though? ;)

Or do you mean you're not arguing any more after this post

No I mean I'm going to stop arguing mid-sentence.

I don't think anyone would be interested in another endless round of bickering and nit-picking and life's too short to try and appeal to the common sense and common decency of people with a blinkered right on attitude.

The best thing about a thread like this is that it demonstates that although we share an interest, it doesn't mean that you could bear to be in the same room as many of the posters if 2000ad was taken out of the equation.

'By the way, what is the wider British public's reaction to finding out he's in Afghanistan?'

From the circles I'm in it seems that most people are pretty surprised that the media in this country actually honored the news blackout more than anything.

i was wondering yesterday JEB about what art project you where working on & how this thread did or didnt affect it.. but i deemed it pointless to ask when you were in the JEB scrap zone.

i'm wearing slippers.

ITs a funny thing, cos you'd think being 2000ad fans we'd all get along, now many of us do of course, but it oft surprises me at comic events etc, what a diverse bunch comic fans really are.

loving the diagram, disturbed that i am no longer in the hippy camp, surely treating everyone as an individual human type is really hippy,... man ? another couple of years & i'll be working at the bank extoling the virtues of national service & garden parties. damn.

I take posters as I find them- some are funny, some are clever and funny, some are fucking irritating from the word go- just like real life.

Except people are a bit more free and easy with their lip on the internet, of course.

I swear I heard Harry use the word "shite" in a clip they played on FiveLive's Weekend Breakfast programme early this morning. Fair play to him for that!

M@

Of course, Dredd contradicted himself there.  He said that war is sometimes necessary, before going on to tell us that war is pointless.

Which is it, Chinny?!?

Hold on there. I am Royalist because I lie the fact Harry's not a hypocrite who is getting others to do his murdering for him?
all i am saying is he out of any member of the aristocracy, non whom i have voted for, who is trying to keep his country a 1st world country whiles stamping on the fingers of any up start 3rd world country who thinks they are ready for the big leagues. but he is still a horse thieving German git who is the descendant of long line of horse thieving German gits. non of which I remember voting for.

and the whole idea of sending him back because his presence is a danger to the rest of the solders is a mute point because they would have been in less danger if we had never of gone to Afganistan in the first place.

 Just wait till his Mum hears that utterance !


 Because i heard it and thought it was great.


 Also i am not a Royalist as i detest them all except for William , Harry, Prince Charles and of course Diana and look what happened to her when she ....anyway thats off topic.

 I particularly hate the Duke of Edinburgh for crimes against my 4 legged friends as he has shot so many of them.

 Bastad


 By the way to judge an individual purely on the basis of class and inherited position when they might actually be a sound individual is narrowminded and bigoted and bloody stupid TBH.

 Attack the position and the existence of it if you like but its not the individuals fault to be born into it.

 "I come from a land down under....]


 We have to suffer them here as well by the way.

 
 


 Also how many of our war mongering politicos here and across the water would crap themselves if they had to fight in the wars that the have started ?


 Probably nearly all of them would and if this country was invaded they would be hiding underground in Bunkers.


 Jesus i am right over on the right in the I hate Hippies camp !


 

A whole car-crash thread, and no witch hunt for Sc*j*?

his is great backing music for the thread you just read. Some of you may have heard this.

Or sing along!!

Right back atcha Satch. :D

Link: At the StarWars Cantina

I have seen the face of this Threads vassal of the spirt of Sc*j*. And his today name is Johnnyeyebrows.


Kidding, kidding! What are you doing with that brick? No wait, not my pancreas! Have Mercy Pleeeeeeese!

  Aww No  Barry Manilow


  I hate  Barry  Manilow



  Why did you have to do that ?

 None of the present royal family are aristocrats as they have no real lineage.The spencer family are not aristocrats either.Very few of them are.


 The only family with any claim to being Aristos or the closest to being a royal family are the Percy family who live in Arundel Castle in Sussex.The title of the seat is the Duke of Norfolk.The royal family are German [Saxe Coburgs],the duke of Edinburgh is Greek.


 Pretenders to the throne.

 Riff Raff.


 The interesting thing is there is a heriditary Gay gene which is passed from one to the next.


 They have the closest claim to being the Royal Family but they are not taken serioiusly by the Protestant existing Royal Family as the Percy Family are Catholics.

 The Gay gene is only passed down the male side of the family.As far as i know the female side are straight.


 I am in the very distant past descended from French aristocracy [Royal Family]but so far removed that it is almost irrelevent as i am talking hundreds of years.The titles no longer exist as all their land and property was stolen or lost.

 A friend who was here last night is writing a book on the true history of King Arthur.I had a transcript of the introduction and 1st chapter but someone has taken it.The aim of the book is to strip away all the mythology and is based on historical fact .Any more than that i dont know.

::"there is a heriditary Gay gene"

My blinkered right-on-ness is twitching.  It's a bit like spidey-sense, but more annoying.  Are you just talking out of your arse again?

---

I couldn't help it - I thought more about the moron debate - proof, if proof were needed, that I am indeed a moron.

Anyway - if the invading army was losing badly, then helping their wounded would be okay - it would look good for propoganda.  If they were winning a lot, then helping their wounded in order to curry favour with what may well be the winning side, might not seem that mad.  And, if it was stalemate, helping their wounded and then holding them hostage for later negotiations, well that doesn't seem too bad either.

Hrmn.

---

And - a pear pickle and goat's cheese wrap.

To be fair, that's a lot more convincing as an argument than me hypothetically being a soldier who is refusing aid from the enemy.

Judas wept- I still can't believe how fucking stupid that leap is!

In fact, being pretty sure that I've labeled you as a moron before now, I feel duty bound to upgrade you to the status of genius by comparison.

Of course, only you can decide if this is a compliment or not.

  [I am not trying to derail the thread]


 With what you are referring to i am not talking rubbish.

 I realise that there is that debate about what makes someone Gay or straight .Nature or Nurture .Its a very interesting topic but i dont know enough to debate the subject.Nature/nurture can be applied to lots of different things.

 Leaving that aside it is fact.


 I can find out more if you like but its probably best left alone here.

Thread can't get any worse- let's hear it!

But, but its, Star Wars, Star Wars cantina ..

Oh and;

reference to buttonman....

I've clearly done a lot more for this country than you, you silly tinker. Barely contained bloodlust? You should be a red top journalist,  silly moron. There's a difference between being pacifist actively to fleeting imaginations. Go on, give more sweeping statements and putdowns on your nice little comic book forum, you fucking little moron.

P.S

Go suck the prince's cock. 'orf  with his head and all that. LOL

Oh dear lord, noooooo!

Gurk!

6 posts down this page Funt.


Its great though isn't it? Not Manilow, no, Cheese.

hihihihihi.

I've seen that poster around- it cracks me up!  At first glance, it make me think of "I am the only gay in the village".

Also, is it not horribly dated (by about 20 year)?  I don't think I know anybody under 30 who has a problem with gays.  Of course, I probably just mix with a nicer bunch of people.  When I'm not smashing things up that I don't understand, of course...

Yeah, JEB, I seen it about. There was a massive billboard poster outside Stockport station.

I got a photo on my phone to the giggles of a pair of 20+ blokes.

It is well funny, that even now there has to be a huge 12 foot high billboard asking people to get with the fucking program.

:)

"Some people are conservative.  Get over it!"

Some people are morons.  Get over it!

 I have seen it here as well .Mostly at Train stations.

 
 To be honest i am not in the slightest bit interested in what someones sexuality is.

 Its their lookout not mine.


 OOOOOh  Get OVER it !


 I think the vast majority are over it and thats if they ever had a problem with it in the first place.


 SOME PEOPLE ARE GAY .


 Yeess ?



 So ?


 

Some people are as cool as me. Get over it.

Thread killer.

I don't think I know anybody under 30 who has a problem with gays.

Surely it's under 40 by now?  It's pretty difficult for most folk of 'our' generation (no, I don't know either) to even imagine what anyone's problem is, despite all of us presumably having come up through the same atmosphere of early-teen homophobia, where being called a 'bender' or a 'gaylord' was the worst thing that could happen to you.   Now that seems like something from another world, thankfully, and learning that an acquaintance is gay/bi is no more eyebrow-raising than finding out that they once copped off with that unibrow from Reception.  

As to a homosexual 'gene', I have serious doubts, even leaving aside the reproductive disadvantages of such a proposition (same might be said of myopia, but that's going strong) - I'd be equally surprised to learn that people 'choose' to be gay.  Genes just aren't all they're cracked up to be when it comes to phenotype and behaviour, but look to expression and to environment, both antenatal and postnatal.  

Yeah- I would've gone with 'under 40'- but sadly, I do know one or two.  For the most part, though, you are most likely correct.  It's just not shocking anymore, is it?

That said, if someone you've known as straight for years comes out- that's can be a bit weird at first.  But I've personally managed to get over that one without the aid of a 20 foot high poster.  And naturally, the poor bastard had to answer the question of whether or not he fancied me.

"The best thing about a thread like this is that it demonstates that although we share an interest, it doesn't mean that you could bear to be in the same room as many of the posters if 2000ad was taken out of the equation."

Taking it as a personal insult when someone disagrees with you is pretty lame, but I guess we're all guilty of it sometimes.

I've met about 20 message boarders and I can honestly say as people I like them all, regardless of them sharing my interests.

Moron...

:D

Apart from JEB, he's a proper gaylord :)

A tinker, moron and a wannabe cocksucker? I never knew I had so much going for me!

I'll let it go as you are clearly a twisted hate filled troll who assumes the moral high ground by claiming to be a pacifist and then spits bile in all directions.

I would also warn against referring to people you've never met as 'you fucking little moron' when they are clearly capable of both out manoeuvring you intellectually and of ripping off your stupid diseased head.

Have a good one. LOL

PS What the fuck does this mean?

There's a difference between being pacifist actively to fleeting imaginations.

So basically to some up:
We support Harry for stepping up to the plate and getting his hands dirty for his kingdom and wealth.
We support the troops, who while being a bunch of hired killers, are at least doing the thankless job most of us donâ??t want, of supporting a corrupt bunch of politicians and their aims at controlling resources so that they can all get big fat back hander. Which in turn means that we, the people can continue to be with our comfy lives as consumers (and believe me comics and on line threads are one of the greatest decadence the western world has e.g. entertainment.)With out the pilot light going off on the central heating.
this also allows us all to sit around and complain weather or not we agree with Harryâ??s choice and the state of the world etc. with out any one of us giving up or comfy lives to go and actually try and improve any one elseâ??s lot.

We also know that Mr Eyebrows is as amusingly grumpy as ever and that there is a bit of bonus information.

Mr Wolfâ??s ancestors are possibly responsible for the persecution of my ancestors as if he is related to the throne of France then as a descendent of the Hugonos I want recompense and an apology for all the potential loss of earnings for the last few hundred years as we had our lands seized and our people murdered. You git.

:D  ;)


Now if that doesnâ??t kill off this thread I donâ??t know what will.

Au contraire!  The Eyebrows is not grumpy at all- he just finds it enormously difficult to tolerate obvious bullshit thrown at his feet and quite enjoys handing down the odd verbal battering for it.  Every now and then.

:D

Or is that every now and again?  Hurdles, hoops?  Best ask the expert...

The problem with starting a war of wits is that the forum is seemingly home to a few unarmed men.

Do you have a library of those thread stoppers Tweak? Are you a self appointed thread defuser? If so bugger off and give us back our squabbles!

"Mr Wolfâ??s ancestors are possibly responsible for the persecution of my ancestors as if he is related to the throne of France then as a descendent of the Hugonos I want recompense and an apology for all the potential loss of earnings for the last few hundred years as we had our lands seized and our people murdered. You git."

:D ;)


 Everything is always my fault isnt it ?


 ;)


 I wish certain Boarders wouldnt claim they are Pacifists when they are clearly not as its totally dishonest and hypocritical.As if it gives them some sort of moral highground when posting hate filled statements like raking someone from head to toe with an assault rifle.


 Why not be honest and just say that you would enjoy doing it yourself ?


 BFTB sounds like he means it when he says he is a Pacifist -  You dont.


 So have the courage and the Backbone to say what you really mean  .

 "If i wasnt a Pacifist "  (;  (;   (;   (;  



 You know who you are.



 Sounds like a Class War to me



 Apologies.

Gaylord?  Up yours, Joey Deacon.  

Can you really beat an old school insult?  I think not.

:)

My God, Johnny are you still banging on about this?  Don't you sleep, man?

No, no, I'm only ribbing you.  I'm posting to say sorry in case I offended you yesterday.  I don't think I actually wounded your pride at all, I hope not, but I did go over the top and I would like to apologise for it.  Not to say I didn't mean it at the time, you wound me up good and proper and no mistake, but today, well, today I'm not too proud of it.  I do that sometimes, and for the record I can be just as lippy offline too.

I'm sorry, Johnnyeyebrows.  And the same goes to anybody else who I may have upset.

I'd like to address Buttonman, if I may.  I'm not sure if your post about being embarrassed to be associated by some of the remarks was directed at me or not, but if that is the case then I again apologise.  I would never dream of presuming to speak for somebody else; I'm all about independance.  I'd be uncomfortable doing it even if I was asked to.

Now you made a couple of comments that caught my eye, one was 'woolly liberals', another was 'blinkered right-on attitude'.  Again, I don't know if these were directed at myself or not, but either way I'm happy to be the poster-child for Flower Power in this instance.  I most certainly am liberal (as I'm sure is quite apparent), but I must pick up on the term woolly.  I don't think I've been at all unclear in my stance or opinions, and feel I must stress that this isn't just some naive concept born of a need to be loved or the like, but is a carefully thought-out set of values inspired not least by my own personal experiences, observations, losses, triumphs, hopes and regrets, not to mention external stimuli and countless other influences.  In short, I have pledged to do as little harm as possible within my lifetime, and if I can leave the world a better place, or at least no worse off, when it's my time then I'll be happy with that.  I wouldn't call it a belief structure as I always try to be open to new ideas, but it is my state of mind.

As for having a blinkered right-on attitude, now I  think a right-on attitude is slang for being liberal, please correct me if I am mistaken, but I assure you I am not blinkered.  I strive to see past preconceptions, beliefs, rhetoric, dogma, traditions, borders, rules, regulations, laws, expectations, pretty much any obstacle really.  Of course it all flies out the window if I get my back up but I do try very hard not to be Judge Mental.

So to summarise, I'm not crusading to change people to my way of thinking, that totally flies in the face of what I'm about - to live and let live, I take people as I find them, and I accept them warts and all.  And with that, I expect people to take me as I am.  I'm not bullshitting, this is my point of view.  I admit I might speak without thinking at times, but it's all true.

I hope I haven't come across as anti-soldier.  I have several friends currently serving, some of whom have been luckier than others, and while I may not agree with their choices in profession (it certainly wouldn't be right for me on many levels), I do respect their decisions.  One aspect which does seem to have been left out of this thread so far is that every single one of those soldiers chose to enlist (whether they read Battle Action Force or not).

Now, if I were to wake up tomorrow and find Volgan Paratroopers filling the skies, no doubt my first reaction would be to have a total wiggins.  I like to think that even in an agitated state I'd have enough about me to grab my loved ones and lead them to safety, but I don't know for sure.  In my time I have experienced a great many things including terror, shock and adrenaline.  I suspect that being face to face with a warzone would be similar to an overload of all three at once.  Whatever the case, I like to think that as soon as I was able I would try to pull myself together as best I could, and then go and see what I could do to help.

Now, given the impossible situation of, say, defending one's family against a psychopath, then yes, I would step up - it's practically automatic.  But I would aim to wound, not to kill.  It's also easier to justify defending another than oneself but before I meander off too far the point that I was going for is that as a realist pacifist I'm more than prepared to fight for those I love, but only in defence.  I will not instigate the fight.

So that's enough with the hypotheticals for now.  W. R. Logan made a prior comment about 'armchair philosophers'; now I've looked at that remark from every angle I can think of and I really cannot think of a better place to philosophise from than one's own armchair.  Here's hoping that that sparks a brand new debate.

Oh, and as nobody else picked up on it, tweak72 came out with a cracking typo: "I am Royalist because I lie"

Here's my two cents.

Harry is a twat.

Being in the royal family does not necessarily make someone a twat but Harry IS a twat.

By choosing to face danger and death when  he didn't have to, Harry has proven he is a BRAVE twat.

You HAVE to respect Harry for having the courage to stick to his political beliefs even when it meant endangering his life. From his perspective it was the honourable thing to do and it definitely took guts.

But he is still a twat.

Your arguement seems to be nothing but playground name calling Jared. Don't see you rocking the debate society with that measured line of reasoning. Perhaps the twat here is you!

BFTB I'm sure your essay was most enjoyable but I've shorter Dan Brown to finish first. At least your call for a bit of harmony was well intentioned and may begin to heal the scars caused by a well-meaning 'Good for Prince Harry' thread.

Sleep is for morons.  Called Jared.

:D

after trawling through the debris of the clash between j.b (not jack black) and b.f.t.b and everyone elses messages heres my opinion. i dont realy see the point of having a royal family or even a war top be frank, what i do see the point in is people supporting the troops doing the hardest job i can imagine. i don't know about the rest of the board but i have seen a few episodes of ross kemp's doc. about the war from the british p.o.v. and there are guys that are only a couple of years older than me which shocked me (16 by the way). if i were to find myself there i would want the support of the country i am fighting for. regardless of wether they are for or against it. I think harry deserves a well done simply for putting himself on the line, fair play for that and i think it would be stupid to say other wise.

The problem is, they're not fighting for our country. They have been sent in on an unsanctioned, illegal war as practical mercenaries for the US Imperial machine [/opinion].
It's not what the army is for and it the soldiers should never have been put in this situation in the first place. [/opinion]
I support getting them out of Iraq and Afghanistan, I can't support better equipping them to be able to succeed at the job.
I have supported individual troops- sending out parcels of goodies to two brother-in-laws and a mate who've all been out (one still is). But I won't support the 'military effort', ever.
GET THE TROOPS OOT.

hey, when these dirty volgs invade will their manefesto be any worse than New labours ? would i get a free pass for volgograd if i collaborate ? will they have billboards telling people on the public transport system not to eat smelly food & be nice to people ?  ... if fact would they organise a public transport system ?

 

 Its  screams at you this poster and stinks of self importance and attention seeking.


 "We are Gay !!   We ARE OVER HERE "

 
 I dont think there is any need for a Militant Gay Rights poster campaign and because its not really an issue any more then the organisation behind the posters is somewhat redundant.


 Whats the point of all this ?


  All that advertising space cant have been cheap.



 SOME PEOPLE ARE GAY.


 GET INTO IT !

On the gay issues, someone made the point about nobody under 30 having a problem with that nowadays. I beg to differ- I find that significant numbers of the younger generation, especially male working class are violently homophobic, and very often racist too. Seen it plenty in guys I've worked with cleaning windows- a shit job with umpteen school leavers passing through. I also see it a lot in one of my current jobs. I don't think my own generation is free of it either- I know some right bigoted c*nts round about my own age too.
But then, Moray is round about fifteen years behind the rest of the UK. Except for those Islanders....
;)

Everything animate or inanimate can be shagged, got off on, spooged in etc. (Male point of view this.)

If you have a deep, intellectually, stimulating love and productive, close-relationship or just head over heels, do anything for that person, you can claim that as *love*. If the sex is spiritual with all the necessary energy revitalizing, you can call it a *higher love* combined with the other bringing you to OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT WAS THE MOST WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE you've had, that is a *deeply in love* situation.

If my partner(As I am a man) happens to be a man, both men in the above scenario are gay.

It happens everywhere, with every walk of life.

Because the word *gay* is used has got to you because you think I was having a go at you?

But I put it up as an expression of love. Spurred on Peter by your talk of gays.

 Gay people don't want to get in anyones face Peter.

 They just want their form of love acceptable and not feel so wrong about it. AND a heterosexual couple/man/(especially) woman, can accept the offer of the personal happiness from said gay couple. Am I clear?

Their * Many happy returns* should be appreciated for the language they speak it in. And who's to say the poster isn't funded by a heterosexual man saying a big high five to his gay brothers? For all the coping with his loss of identitty, getting him back on his feet again and making him feel good about being a fucking man when women have thwarted him for many justifiable reasons that may not be totally reasonable.

Lesbo's on the other hand need not do a lot of self loathing right now though. Phew! You should see them in Manchester. They could beat the shit out of Noisybast, I can tell you!

Have to agree with Dog.  There's plenty of homophobia (and racism) doing the rounds.  People seem to be a bit more careful about how they present their isms, sometimes, but that doesn't mean we've entered a golden age of enlightenment.

---

Me at the laundrette, spotting some cutlery and other restaurant detritus amongst some table-cloths: "Bloody hell, you'd think they'd clear the table before sending you the cloths".

Woman at laundrette: "Aye, fuckin' pakis".

Me: [stunned silence & incredulity]  

---

And then, my pal's boyfriend let her know that he didn't mind gay people - he wouldn't ever speak to one or befriend one - but he didn't mind them.  (Just so long as they live in an alternate universe, or in the next town, or...).  And he's a really good dance DJ.  Peace, love and heterosexuality!

---

Or the Canadian I met, who seemed like a really nice guy till he started boasting about his gay-bashing days.  To give him some credit (?), it was in the past and he admitted it was a shitty thing to do when he realised that nobody was going to applaud him for it.

---

And then there's the entire generation following my one, which uses the word "gay" to mean "utterly negative".  I'm sure, for pointing that out, I'm being totally gay.

---

Tell you what, though - I was told about someone who considered themselves non-gender specific, and didn't want to be called "he" or "she", but instead wanted to be called "zee".  (Can't see that going down very well at a job interview.)

---

I'm a little bit homophobic, I guess. I don't like seeing two blokes snog.  I don't know why - I can't rationalise it beyond me just getting an "ugh" feeling.  Obviously, there's fuck all wrong with two blokes snogging - so I try to keep my "ugh" to myself - it's my problem.

This thread is on the topic of Prince Harry coming out, isn't it?

How about;

Gays Are Hypocrites Too,

Billboard. That would be a fine bit of marketing strategy.

Then maybe Get Over It, or something.

I noticed Harry has been fighting since December so that's not exactly a week and a half 'til his next giro is it? Then back to the pub for three days of wine, ladettes and song. I was gonna go straight this month, honest!

He's a Volg anyway Harry. He's probably giving weight to his argument, of some subversive division of society shouldn't be allowed 'cos of all those nice people he saw suffer very badly at the hands of the Taliban.

Which he'd use to stop those nice people coming into the country. Which the government do anyway but only *empaphise* with the good soldiers.


What I don't get is when a couple the same age as my Granddad can say things like *Line 'em up against the wall* still,(when he fought and never uttered a war-like word after the fact)about a group of people working their take away from their vantage point *on the bus we were on*.
 
They may have been morons, I don't know I don't know if history has room for

The Moronic Wars

I think Dredds point was that sometimes (Just sometimes mind...) it's necessary to have a war, just so you can point out how pointless it is...

But then, I'm still half drunk and buzzing off a Cult gig, so what do I know?

I would be well fucked off if I was Harry.
Just imagine the piss taking that he's going to get for not completing his tour, lol.

Maybe I'm lucky enough in that I don't see much if any homophobia in my own peer group, or on the building sites I spend a lot of my time on - certainly not more than the usual vicious slagging that is the relentless currency of conversation.  The 'gay=crap' thing seems unfortunate, but i suspect that's just language and its fickle ways - 'retarded' on the other hand just hacks me off, even though it's been pointed out to me (on this very forum!) that it's no different from (say) 'moron'.  

Racism and religious intolerance is however alive and well at all levels, in my family, friends and colleagues.  I recently sat with my mouth hanging open while one of my best friends explained that her husband's brother has just got engaged to someone she strongly suspected of being Jewish - and despite the fact that her beloved eldest was marrying a christ-killer, her mother-in-law still gave her a hard time.  I mean, what do you say to someone you've known for 20 years when they come out with something like that?    

"On the gay issues, someone made the point about nobody under 30 having a problem with that nowadays."

No, I said that I didn't think I knew anybody under 30 who had a problem with it.  I also said that I probably mix with a nicer bunch of people, though.

I think there's a bigger problem with people not reading things properly, myself.  Much confusion and bad feeling is often the result.  And sarcasm.  Lots of sarcasm.

The gays have ruined Goaty's lovely thread.

My neighbour dropped the word 'paki' into polite conversation when we first moved out to the stix from Leicester (which is chock full of 'pakis' and not a term I've even once considered using for nearly 20 years).  It felt like being punched in the stomach- I didn't know where to look or what to say!

>> Or the Canadian I met, who seemed like a really nice guy till he started boasting about his gay-bashing days . . .

Heh. So not only are you a little bit homophobic, you're none too canuck-crazy, either, eh?

>> The 'gay=crap' thing seems unfortunate, but i suspect that's just language and its fickle ways . . .

Yeah, the word 'gay' has had at least three other meanings, specifically "prostitute", "happy", and "homosexual".

Speaking of Joey Deacon.
Remember the old online saying guys...

Oh hey guys? how does one find out who has killed the most threads on the board? statistically i mean.

Downstairs from me used to be used as as temporary home for various immigrants who were all polite and held cracking parties. When they shipped one off with her child in the middle of the night and my neighbour kicked up a stink with the council it then sat empty for two years.

It recently started getting renovated so my neighbour asked if they were going to be sending more immigrants.

"Nah don't worry about the blacks mate its going to be a temporary home for the homeless!"

Jaw hits floor!


and I've just sold up!


Oh and as for Harry I still couldn't give a toss really.

   


    ?

what a wierd thread, cos theres been a ruck, its like homophobia, racism & all sorts have been randomly chucked in, I'm sure theres a clever psychology word for this phenomena " this is me ! this is what i believe who wants a scrap & whos with me ! "

wheres teh religion in all this, or is the thread collective not ready for that one yet ?

anyway, i don't think the gay issue is sorted, as small children in the school yard still use it in an insulting manner, and they've learnt it from somewhere.

hey it's the internet! Where would it be without people interested in endless rounds of bickering and nit-picking?

 it's certainly true that life is too short to try to appeal to the common sense and common decency of people with blinkered attitudes.  

cheers,

Floyd

...and not Roy at all.

yours, signing off carefully in future,

Floyd

That Frog thing is weird.
 When it 'winks' the pupil changes shape while the eyelid remains open.

Surely at this point in history the ONLY prejudice held in the body politic that is valid is class prejudice.
It continues to amaze me how many young working class individuals are prepared to travel halfway around the world to fight other working class individuals. This continues despite the fact they have everything materially incommen with the men they are fighting and have little or nothing in commen with the men who command them IE- The men who represent the class interests of the people who sent these young men to die and kill.....
Fuck prince harry and fuck this conflict .....no war but class war!

Truly we are the children that Pat Mills raised.

Frog face is not moving for me.

I'm a  big fan of the great George Sanders, especially this film, about a private eye called Gay.

Link: The Gay Falcon

"Truly we are the children that Pat Mills raised.
"

dear god its true isnt it ! , he's like a bloody father to us all his bastard children, which explains my ambivalency to his stuff. damn it.

"Downstairs from me used to be used as as temporary home for various immigrants who were all polite and held cracking parties."


I'll just run that through the Daily mail spellchecker

there we go

Downstairs from me used to be used as as temporary home for vicious immigrants who were all poofs and held crack parties.

"everything materially incommen"

Western college educated kids with billions of dollars behind them are fighting stone age mountain dwelling peasants who are rich if they own a goat.

They got nothing in common.

Holy Mother of God! According to Wikipedia, Gay Byrne's middle name is . . . Mary.

"fuck this conflict .....no war but class war!"


 Well yes sort of .


 No war but war against the cabal of private international B/Wankers who are ultimately responsible for the whole bloody mess and fight the US/UK political establishment who are also responsible for the whole bloody mess.Fight the Neo/Nazi cons who send young men and women to die to further their own hidden agendas and make vast amounts of money out of the war itself.

 Fight those who strip us of all of our rights in the name of "Freedom" and "security" while they get away scot free.

 Fight those who care not about the trail of misery and devastation and death they leave behind them while they themselves get fatter and richer and collectivly slap each other on the back while they stuff their faces at Banquets.

 Fight those who hide behind and use and abuse the armed forces to fight their dirty little wars here there and everywhere.


 Fight those who are too cowardly to fight their own wars [the above] that they themselves start and manipulate.

 Fight those who feed us lies on a daily basis.


 Fight the above who deliver us from Liberty and keep us from Peace.


 Fight the Real enemy.

Gay Byrne's middle name is . . . Mary

Common enough middle name on these priest-ridden shores, and others of a similar background  -  I know three relatively manly blokes with that same affliction.  None under 40, though.  

I can hardly believe this thread is still rumbling on, except that there's not another thread as lively as this one in the current list of topics, with '2000ad the porno' about to drop off the bottom of the chart,having quite run its course.

I'm also surprised at the turn its taken recently. One mention of a putative 'gay gene' and the subject has changed completely! This surely warranted the start of a new thread, but it seems a bit late now.

My position is that Prince Harry's involvement in fighting in Afghanistan is neither here nor there; but giving the sons and daughters of the immediate heir to the throne a military training is part of a tradition, the purpose of which is chiefly propaganda. It's the price the royals have to pay to maintain the legitimacy of their privileged status. I'm not going to speculate on Harry's motives, which as far as I'm concerned may well be among the purest. The fact is, whatever he does in Afghanistan, at risk to himself, benefits the institution of monarchy far more than it will benefit Harry.

I'm uncertain as to whether the presence of a Royal in the conflict zone pays propaganda dividends to the Armed Forces or the Government that started the war, but I suspect it does.

You've got him in a bit of a Kobayashi Maru there Usher.

Cowardly royals let working men do the fighting for them - what he's in Afghanastan? Bloody royals sabre rattling and scoring propaganda points.

Wow. Interesting thread to come late to.

Does this mean I'm the only royalist on the board?

>> Common enough middle name on these priest-ridden shores . . .

So you're saying it's a bit Irish.

So you're saying it's a bit Irish.

And a bit Spanish too.

 The fact is that he didnt want to leave but it was an MOD decision to do so.

 He probably didnt want to leave his unit.


 Now that he has officially left Afghanistan he could easily be reinserted later on and no one would be any the wiser as long as it was kept quiet.


 To a certain extent politicians have used Prince Harry and the fact he has served over there to legitimise the war.Not that it was an illegal war like Iraq.

 Its not much of a propaganda exercise for the Royal Family as he was only there for 2 months so i dont believe its propaganda.And i dont think he will ever see active service in Iraq either for obvious reasons.

 Surely it makes sense to find out who is arming/funding the Taliban ?If you cut off their arms supply the war will end sooner or later.


 At the cost of a permanent military presence there otherwise they should just leave as to carry on like they are is just stupid.

 It just goes to show that Prince Harry is as expendable as anyone else serving in the military over there.I dont know if his unit are serving in a  hot zone or if he was out of harms way .That i dont know but since he has been there since December then anything could have happened and he could have been just another casualty.


 The Media said he was on "The Front Line " etc but i dont think Afghanistan has a "front Line " so to speak but some areas are more volatile than others.

 Its impossible to secure the borders of Afghanistan to stop the flow of arms into the country so it will just go on and on.

>> And a bit Spanish too.

¡Blimey but it's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world!

I'm off to sip some cherry cola.

Come off it, buttonman - that's not what HOU said. He was careful not to personalise it as an attack on Harry. In fact, he said: "I'm not going to speculate on Harry's motives, which as far as I'm concerned may well be among the purest."

You know, it's quite possible to both admire Harry (or any soldier) and detest the war, or to admire Harry (or any soldier) and to detest any propoganda that they're (even innocently) involved with.

Your cartoon that places everyone either left or right of the mystical fence is just a cartoon.  There be a road between.

>Its not much of a propaganda exercise for the Royal Family as he was only there for 2 months so i dont believe its propaganda.And i dont think he will ever see active service in Iraq either for obvious reasons.

again without getting to the rights and wrongs he was there because his unit was there.
Once again without having served most of you dont understand the desire to be with your troop/Squadron no matter where they are.
Us hairy arsed squaddies as weve been called here dont do the politics we just get sent where they decide.

If this were the John Byrne forum I'm sure you would be shot down for fighting Usher's battles for him Funt - he's big and ugly enough to do his own and frquently does - mostly with me at the other side.

Looking back my reponse appears to have been to a combination of posts with skychariot the instigator of the working men sent to battle bit. I'm sorry if Usher was offended (no expectation that he was) but my point is valid if taken across the thread but perhaps not against Usher in isolation.

In short : I regret nothing. Urrgghhh...

"Us hairy arsed squaddies as weve been called here dont do the politics we just get sent where they decide."

I fully endorse this post.

***Once again without having served most of you dont understand the desire to be with your troop/Squadron no matter where they are. ***

Full Metal Jacket comes to mind.

 It what i have been saying all along.


 disagree with the war ?

 Talk to a politician as the vote in parliment was almost unanimously yes although it has to be said that there may have been many in parliment who opposed it but they were forced to vote yes by 3 line Whips and things like that.


 Having said that i might be wrong but ultimatly the buck stops with Tony Blair who lied to us all and went through a number of different justifications for it after the initial faked and fictitous Intelligence and finally said he was told to do it by god [which must mean he hears voices so is possibly mentally ill] and finally the sympathy vote by saying "I tried to do what in my heart was the right thing to do, and it was a difficult decision etc etc " and doing his best to look and act like he was sincere in what he was saying.

 As if that makes the whole monumental fuck up excusable.


 I dont see him looking that bothered about it now as he rides the gravy train.

A gravy train is a great idea.  For too long now have those of us at the wrong side of the table been lacking in a second helping of gravy (of which there is never enough).  If there were a small train traveling the cirumference of the table, so that the gravy visits each place an equal amount of the time, the world would be a happier place.  

And without heroes like Our Harry, who against all the odds, placed himself on the front (well, as close as was deemed safe, anyway) line, my dream of a gravy train can never be realised!

---

Aside: what was all the pish about me fighting HOU's battles for him?  If you talk shite on a public message board, you can take the miserable defence of "I wasn't talking to you" and shove it up your bahoochie, where it'll feel right at home.

er, not really the defence more a question of manners. As for talking shite, I defer to the master.

Logan talks sense.

"A gravy train is a great idea. For too long now have those of us at the wrong side of the table been lacking in a second helping of gravy (of which there is never enough). If there were a small train traveling the cirumference of the table, so that the gravy visits each place an equal amount of the time, the world would be a happier place."

 Yeah right on Brother !

 And those who dont even get to sit at the table and just get leftovers and scraps if they are lucky but that depends on wether the fat greedy selfish bastards at the table who get there first dont eat all of it.


 

Well, I thought what I said was brilliant.

This gravy business does sound good.  Could we just retro-fit one of those sushi-place jobs, or would it have to have and wee engine and little tracks with sleepers and the whole shebang?  And seeing as the same issues affect other condiments and related elements, could we have a later service that delivered custard?  Because I for one am not mad about gracy, but never get enough of that.  Have we given any thought to how to keep the gravy/custard warm as it tootles around?

I just knew something good would come out of this thread if we all just worked at it long enough.

>Logan talks sense.

now thats not something I hear very often 8-)

i've been on holiday and internet light for 6 weeks, but when i saw the topic and the fact that it was 10 pages and counting i knew eyebrows would be involved

btw, i'm sharing a room with the angry one at bristol, so if i come over to you and call you a cunt, attempt to gun you down or encase you in jelly, it just means you're on his list and i've been spiked with his SLD-hypno drug

thinky

...And just to prove that I can be a miserable bastard- I really dislike that stupid 'retarded joke'.  It makes me want to punch people.  Obviously, I'm the one who brought up Joey Deacon in the first place, so I guess it's my own fault- but it really shouldn't be funny past the age of 10 or so.

Now support the troops, you fucks!

I think we should hire Mr Amperduke to build us a gravy/custard train that also heats it's cargo.

Given all the talk of heroism and giving Johnny Foreigner what for (for Queen and country!) I'm thinking we really should go for the tootle-train, tracks 'n' sleepers, green and pleasant land design.

I really haven't the words to communicate just how much I love custard.

If we go to war over anything, I think it should be custard.

Pffft- Thinky made me the way I am...

If we go to war over anything, I think it should be custard.

'Course the beauty of this is that air-diffused custard powder is highly explosive - let it be both our cassus belli and our instrument!

'Course the beauty of this is that air-diffused custard powder is highly explosive - let it be both our cassus belli and our instrument!

To war!

Custard is foul! It's like the putrid output from Satan's bell-end and shouldn't be ingested by anyone! If it's a war you're after you've got one mister!!!!!!


PS. I'm only half joking, I am willing to take up arms over this.

You're already on Eyebrows' list, Keef... don't make me put you on mine...

The list is long- so long, in fact, that I reckon most of the people on it are pretty safe...

::"It's like the putrid output from Satan's bell-end"

That reminds me of an advert I saw in Viz, once, that said:

"Butter is the Devil's spunk!", and had a picture of a small cartoon Satan spunking over a block of butter.  At the bottom, in small print, it said "Sponsored by the Margarine Marketing Board."

The list is long- so long, in fact, that I reckon most of the people on it are pretty safe...

I am now imagining Eyebrows as a Booker Prize judge.

Custard is one of the most despicable creations in the history of mankind. It's evil!
I'm tooling up for the coming conflict...

I like custard.

From the custard opinions posted so far I think we've got enough manpower for a small skirmish.

Custard is the food of kings, but it has to be made properly or it fails epicly.

Nothing worth doing is ever easy.

I really hate marzipan too.

I hate marzipan... but I love custard.

How do we resolve this?!? It's like the West Bank all over again!

I think we're all realising how complicated war can be. the enemy of my enemy is my friend, unless he's into custard. No prisoners!

I like cold custard straight from the tin

I liked it when custard was really yellow, not this pale insipid colour it is now.

When the battle lines are drawn I'll be fighting for the real custard side, you have been warned!

I've got your back, Watcher!

I only eat tinned custard. You just don't know what you're getting with powder.

Custard should be thick rather than thin.

I was watching the Hulk (Ang Lee, gleen mosnter!)this morning, Thinky and was also surprised how the film incarnation looked so much like jeb.

i wish you still got that school custard thick skin, and custard lumps, they were great !

have you ever had that freaky thing withy the tescos 8p instant custards & after it thickens it can also randomly go all watery again defying science ?

... whats wrong with 8p powdered instant custard ?! you borgeous scum, we the oppressed slave classes spit in your double cream cornflour & vanilla posh as fook custard, VIVA the chemical explosive powder of dubious origin & grainy taste ! bring forward the invasion !

we the oppressed slave classes spit in your double cream cornflour & vanilla posh as fook custard

Hmmm... that certainly explains a few things...

What about cakes or even biscuits with custard in it?

Huff

Don't be ridiculous, Krom.  I'm not gleen for one thing...

RoR

I'm with the cold tinned custard boys on this.

All other custards are just squeezed spots from teenagers steaming on your plate and anybody who disagrees with me goes in my little black book.

Oh by the way, I hate these little runts who can only do half a tour, lol.

I liked custard when it was pink and you ate shortbread with it.

Does that make me a break off faction of hill living, guerrilla, Basque separatists?

PS; I didn't really.

"What about cakes or even biscuits with custard in it?"

Cakes, no. Biscuits, hmmmm. If it's custard creams then yes, but only because I don't believe it's actual custard that's in them(and anyone who tells me it is will be ignored furiously). People who like one kind and not the other will be branded custard sympathisers and will be shown no mercy.

First they came for the custard eaters, but I didn't speak out, because I don't like custard...

I didn't particularly like the pink custard (with shortbread) but I ate it anyway.

The only thing I didn't eat in my school dinners was the 'curly whirly mashed potato'. It was piped into little spiral splats like Mr Whippy icecream and then baked on a baking sheet. My older brother put me off by referring to it as 'dogshit mashed potato', so I never once even tasted it to see what it was like.

At that age I couldn't distinguish between 'looked like', 'tasted like' and 'really was'. The difference was too abstract for me to process.

I'm walking up to the service station in a bit. Should I have Burger King or KFC?

"I'm walking up to the service station in a bit. Should I have Burger King or KFC?"

Purely on the basis of Burger King's superior Frie-power I'd say BK.

Neither. You should have a wholemeal sandwich of mediterranean chargrilled vegetables and an Innocent smoothie.

B to the motherfugging K homeboy.

Should I have Burger King or KFC?

No.

But if you have to, those rather unspicy spicy wrap things in KFC can be quite inoffensive, unless you're a wounded enemy chicken.

"I'm walking up to the service station in a bit. Should I have Burger King or KFC? "


 Neither as they are both Shite but if you are starving you might as well have one or the other but you will be hungry again in half an hour.


 I tried one of their Aberdeen Angus burgers because i thought Real Meat but i ate it and didnt even notice it.Never Again and it was expensive for what it was.


 Custard : Nothing wrong with Birds but also the stuff in pots with Vanilla seeds in it is nice.


 NO lumps.


 Lumps are unacceptable.

 Talking of School dinners who remembers Liver and Bacon ?

 I refused to eat that shit as if they thought i would eat it.You must be having a F - ing laugh.Get that stinking shit out of my face.
 Is it wrong to say "retarded" ?

 I have some personal experience of it so i have a right to use it ?


 Also these days the political correctness brigade are saying you cant use words like "Degenerate" because of Nazi connotations.

 Pathetic.


 Degenerate Politically correct reactionaries.A Final Solution is called for.


 Nothing easy is ever worth doing.

To the HILLS HoU! To the hills!

We'll pick them off from there.

For the free state of Near Blancmange!

Er, you're not Peoples Judean Front, Cardiff branch, are you?

It's more the accompanying picture that I find a bit distasteful, rather than 'retarded' itself.  It's just not very nice, is it?

How far should you go in trying to defeat an unstoppable foe like Air Man? Would shooting him when he was wounded be the only way to go.

Link: With tornado THERE'S NO WAY.

Simp have you got a link for that El Robocop geezer? He's awesome.

Here is your reason to invade Spain.

Shit, I fail at life. Here's the link.

Link: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=74mBEXL9UgM

I think we've really got to the heart of THE WAR ON TERROR in this thread.

 No its not.


 I was just checking as i dont want to inadvertently  annoy anyone.


 [ I am not really retarded or that wasnt the official diagnosis anyway ! ]

If you liked the "retarded/special olympics" picture

you'll love this

Link: Special Forces

We few, we happy few, we band of custard brothers, For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my custard brother, Be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his condition, and gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves acursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks, that fought with us upon St. Custard's day!

Aaaand we're back to (King) Harry again.

..and hold their manhoods cheap..

I've yet to find anywhere where they'll even touch your manhood for anything I'd call cheap, never mind hold it.  Lucky old Harry.

 The Chickens are coming home to roost now for Tony Blair and the Bush administration now as the truth is starting to unravel about 9/11 and Iraq.

J-o-h-n-n-y
S-t-r-e-s-s...

If it's a Train, why does it have to just be for Gravy, you  could have a Gravy carriage, a Custard carriage, a Mustard carriage (keep those two separate or accidents are bound to happen...), a Salt  and Pepper carriage, perhaps one fore Horseradish sauce,one for Chutney, one for Redcurrant or Cranberry sauce...

you could get a whole cruet express going...

BTW Custard is foul, cos it tastes like warm Blancmange, coincidentally Blancmange is foul cos it tases like Cold custard...

you could get a whole cruet express going...

A dream worth fighting for.  Now, who's going to pull it: Ivor or Thomas?

What happens at weekends though?

Is there a Gravy rail replacement bus service?

I went to Burger King. I had the double bacon cheeseburger meal and for afters I had a strawberry cheesecake ice cream. There was no ice for my diet coke, which sucked, and the ice cream wasn't mixed properly, and their ice cream is dreadful on its own, so that wasn't very good, but overall I enjoyed my meal, especially since I pictured Stickleback and Edgar Allen Poe looking on in distaste.

My fast food preferences go as such:
1). BK
2). Subway
3). McDonalds
4). KFC

It used to be that McDonalds and KFC were 1 and 2, but I've gone off them. McD's food is too sugary, and their special burgers aren't that great these days. Not so long ago they had the astounding one two punch of the double quarter pounder and the deluxe bacon quarter pounder, which was then followed by the seminal ciabatta burger, but since then everything they've done has failed to deliver. BK always hits the mark with their promotional burgers,(especially with the Angry Whopper), plus their regular line-up is generally superior, offering a more meat-centric experience. I would say that McD's has superior ice cream though, and I'm undecided on the fries debate.

I stopped eating KFC last year after an incident where a jet of oil squirted out of the leg I was eating after I bit into it. I tried to stick with it, but I just couldn't enjoy it as much as I once did.

I've had Subway twice and both times they never had my favoured choice of filling (meatballs). It's because they give away all these 2for1's and the cheap bastards fill up their freezers with meatballs early doors. Never liked the smell of KFC, went in with a friend once was ate some pop corn chicken - fantastic marketing to sell the scrawny testicley bits that would be otherwise thrown away.

McDonalds over BK every time. I once had a cheese burger that didn't have any cheese on it. Flagrant false advestising.

Top guilty pleasures:

1)Pick n' mix - although the tight bastard in me tells me to get a bag out of the £1 shop I inevitable spend £3 at the cinema on a combination of sour gummies and skull crushers. Chewy sour cherries are the best.

2) Kebeb meat pizza, Cookies Hope Street 3am - nuff said.

3) Large donner and chips - make 'pigs in blankets' out of kebab meat and chips.

4) Fish supper at Sherwood along road. Costs £5.90 but you get 2 fish and it's very nice.

My preferred cinema food is nachos, but only at Odeon because of the awesome melted cheese they have their (this is at the Point in Milton Keynes). Cineworld has this fucking vile stuff that tastes like it's been left at the back of a malfunctioning fridge for the past three months. I only had it once. The film was Control.

Cineworld has this fucking vile stuff that tastes like it's been left at the back of a malfunctioning fridge for the past three months.

Their nachos were good when it was the UGC as you could usually get them to put all the toppings plus extra jalapenos on for the price of one. When they moved from spooning it on to supplying the "cheese" in a plastic tub I snorted derisively and never bought them again.

KFC is my choice of fast food as I like my meat on the bone. However, no burger currently on the market can compare to the gone-but-not-forgotten majesty of the Wimpy HALF-Pounder. Just thinking about it brings me out in a wistful, meaty sweat.

"I've had Subway twice and both times they never had my favoured choice of filling (meatballs)."


 Thats the only filling i ever have when i go in there with cheese and everything except Dill and lots of chilli and mayo.


 WE have 2 local burger chains here.

 Uncle Sams and Grubbs. A lot lot lot better than BK or McShite but still not really proper meat thats why i always ask for the meat to be well done so it tastes better.

 AS far as i know there is only One kebab shop that i have found is any good and thats Erols Kebab House in Hastings [Queens Road] .I have been going there since i was 15 or 16 when i would always get an Elephant Leg Kebeb to eat on the walk home at 2.00 in the morning at the weekend and it hasnt changed since but with the hottest chilli have ever had.

 The worst tragedy of all was a burger joint down along the road which was a sit down and eat place  with old pine tables and a bit scruffy with no pretences [who would also do a take away if you asked them to ] closed down very suddenly and became a pseudo middle class/Winey stupid tosser type "Brasserie" and serves "Coffees" and has a selection of daily newspapers.Sterile ,pretentious and soulless.


 "Kemp Town Brasserie". Shove it up yer Jacksie for all i care.


 It used to be called Samsons .

...make 'pigs in blankets' out of kebab meat and chips...

Perverted genius!

Is Subway classed as Fast Food? I hope not as they are now my default standby for an empty fridge as opposed to McDonald's (since watching "McLibel" last year).

I have a Subway-based skit in my imaginary stand-up routine which originated Subway Uncovered [Archive] (http://web.archive.org/web/20070217152459/http://www.subwayuncovered.com/%22%20target=%22_blank)

 This is the best takeaway burger joint i have been to in recent years .


 Also the was a takeaway burger joint In Hale [south manchester / cheshire i used to gop to but its gone now.


 If anyone ever goes to Spitalfields market on a sunday and eats meat then they really shouldnt miss the Arkansas Barbeque stall.

 Slobberingly mouthwateringlyfingerlickingood

I went to the model shop today and then to McDonalds, where I was forcibly ejected whilst trying to construct a condiment railway.

"This is the future!" I cried out in vain as I was bundled away.

Sweet mother of monkeys. I go away for ONE weekend, and the whole board schisms into a million rival factions while I'm gone! It stops now, you kids hear me?

Best fast food ever comes from Slips deli in Leeds. Fact.

Although I've noticed that the Gregs in town have cunningly started opening till 4am on a Friday to rake in those late night pastie-urge pounds.

Although I've noticed that the Gregs in town have cunningly started opening till 4am on a Friday to rake in those late night pastie-urge pounds.

For years I have been saying that Gregg's should open late at the weekend as they'd make millions. Where do I write for my royalties? And can you have a word about getting one opened at my work?

A Greggs pastie is great sustenance when you're pissed, and is also paradoxically an excellent hangover cure.

Old man Greggs looks like James Bolam.

In Dundee we have the all-night bakery ... and it serves Scooby Doo Sandwiches, which are something like two full cooked breakfasts in a giant zeppelin bun.

Bit of a shame - the serving staff look like they're being eaten alive by the grease-soaked air.

 Pizzas from take away places are nearly always rubbish and far too expensive as it can be getting on for 15 for a large size.

 You cant get good take away pizzas in england .

 Horrible overpriced stodge and usually overcooked and dry.


 And  *never* enough Mozzeralla or cheese or whatever .

 Even when you specifically ask for extra Cheese you never get it.

 They all seem to be a bit anal and tight with it.




 And those stupid Poxy "Sachets" of Ketchup that are an insult and the Ketchup is always low quality apart from the fact that there is nothing in them.

 It really is just tight not to have squirty things with sauce in on the counter.

 Any ketchup ?

 "10p each Sachets ! "


 No thanks.


  I dont like Chippys that take it upon themselves to do the salt and vinegar for you as you never get enough vinegar .

 I have to time getting Chips from the Chippy here so that all the refried Chips from earlier in the day have all gone.


 Also Chips in Polystyrene Trays.

 Totally unacceptable and whats wrong with Paper ?


 "But all the vinegar drips through it ! "


 Aw just eat them and shut the fuck up will ya !


 Stupid Prats.

I don't like chippies that take it upon themselves to do the salt and vinegar for you as you always get too much salt.

I love chips in gravy, but only from Mucky Mary's in Hartlepool. I do miss it!
I managed three in one go once, my good lady said that it looked disgusting. I'll agree that it does look as though someone has put a load of diahorrea over the chips, but it tastes sooooo good!

I was once addicted to Kilkenny's finest invention for the drunk and drunk-and-heart: the battered pudding - a whole black pudding battered, sliced in two and stuck in a chip bag. It's hard to imagine how bad that must be for you.

"drunk-at-heart"

Deep fried pizza in batter soaked in salt in vinegar! HEAR ME ROAR! You cant eat it too often though as I think it takes 5 years off you.

Cosh - Greggs has opened till 3am in St Andrews for about the last 10 years.

a whole black pudding battered, sliced in two and stuck in a chip bag

I think that's just about the most beautiful thing I have ever heard.

we need a new chart, this time i'm definately at the far hippy end and you all will die for your sins against so-called food.

although i will, when forced, and rich, endure a subway, all of the salads & cheese, with extra jalepenos & gerkins, in a honey & oat bread with chilli sause. hmmm. sweeet & spicy !

can we have pickled red cabbage, beetroot & sweet chilli sause on the condiment train ? and a large array of weaponary to destroy all junk food, and people who eat it through choice ( except the occasional chippy chips ), and people who use carrier bags, and bank managers, and all those other BASTARDS.

 If i am eating something in the street like a take away or a Pasty or something or something that isnt too messy and it drops onto the ground then i think absolutly nothing about picking it all up off the ground and eating it.

 Its never done me any harm but you get horrified looks sometimes.


 On the odd occasion i have found a Kebab with about a third eaten just left in the street still in its paper so i ate it.Obviously it had only just been left.


 And all those sub par fried chicken take away places you get in london that look a bit like KFC but arent.I wouldnt dare go in one of those places.

 Thats all you get sometimes.Chicken  Chicken  Chicken .Its like they are obsessed with it.


 Its all cheap Battery Hen Chicken.


 Yuk.


 I dont care as its free food.

New chart you say?

"On the odd occasion i have found a Kebab with about a third eaten just left in the street still in its paper so i ate it.Obviously it had only just been left. "


Peter wolf, you ARE dirty Frank.

how can you tell if its just been left, or barfed up ?

Sorry, you'd pick up dropped pasty goo off the floor? In public?


Eeeeeeeeww!

A kebab with that deep fried black pudding in it would be awesome.

 I wouldnt bother if it was messy like if the pasty goo spilt out.


 You can tell if it has been regurgitated or just had a couple of bites out of it.

 

 This is what Max Clifford had to say about Prince Harry in Afghanistan.

 
 Personally i dont think its as cut and dried as he makes out.

 That being Prince Harry is nothing more than a vehicle for propaganda.


 I think its a tad insulting myself since like a lot5 of other 19 year olds might have actually wanted to join the military to see the world and learn something.

 Where is the harm in that ?


"Clifford added: "The other aspect of it is he has been shown firing a machine gun at Muslims. What does that say? He becomes a big target. Harry likes to go to clubs and pubs â?? does that make them targets? It's not black and white, it's not a simple situation."


 Well its not like he is in afghanistan pointing firing a machine gun at coalition forces is it ?


 It wasnt a PR exercise



Clifford claimed: "To me it's blatantly obvious. It's a PR stunt. The whole thing has been put together. The climate when he went out (he] was getting increasing bad publicity from hanging around in clubs and pubs, and coming out drunk. It happened immediately after that. I don't think you're cynical for saying: 'Hold on a minute.'"



 Shocking isnt it ?


 I dont care and i dont sit here judging someone else for doing what i did when i was 18 as i am not a hypocrite.


 An 18 year old hanging around in pubs and clubs and partying.


 Max clifford should stick to fixing up supermarket openings by some c list celeb that i havent heard of instead of discussing things that are way over his head and then presuming everyone else is as cynical and calculating as he is himself.

Link: http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/uk/Clifford-claims-tour-was-39publicity.3834303.jp

If Max Clifford is right, then it's a P.R. stunt that was a long time in the making - the lad had to get his training in first before they could send him out to Afghanistan!

He's only saying 'P.R. stunt' because propaganda is an old-fashioned word that would confuse a lot of tabloid readers, but they know what 'P.R. stunt' means. I don't think Prince Harry fighting in Afghanistan has very much to do with rehabilitating Harry's public persona (although I'm sure it can only help); I think it has more to do with reinforcing connections between the monarchy, the state, the armed forces and the British public.

Talking of P.R. - is it just a coincidence that Peterwolf turns the topic back to Prince Harry now at this moment, or could it just be a P.R. stunt to change the subject away from 'floor pie'?

;)

Brighton's got some good options for convenience food. Peterwolf mentioned Grub's burgers, which is an absolute treat. I'd recommend the blue cheese burger and the mushroom burger.

Talking of P.R. - is it just a coincidence that Peterwolf turns the topic back to Prince Harry now at this moment, or could it just be a P.R. stunt to change the subject away from 'floor pie'?

Well, Ush, I certainly don't think you'd be cynical for going "hold on a minute".

 
 Not trying to change the topic but :


The focus on Prince Harry all of a sudden wouldnt have anything to do with distracting the public from the child abuse thing going on in Jersey would it ?

 As the very fact it was institutionalised Child abuse and involved prominent members of the Jersey establishment who not only were aware of it but may have even participated in it and are indeed covering it up.
 
 The governor of the home at the time of the abuses is still in public office.


  Obviously if any of those implicated are charged and found guilty then it has very far reaching consequences indeed.

Never mind all that... You eat stuff off the pavement??? where dogs pee!!!

Almost certainly not, you filthy floor-food eater.

considering that most regiments know about 12 months before deployment that they are going its a hell of a stunt to get the household cavalry to Afghan just for PR

Never mind all that... You eat stuff off the pavement??? where dogs pee!!!


I'm not saying I approve of eating of the ground, but can you honestly say that anything it may have picked up there would ahve been worse than what was in the kebab to start with?

The focus on Prince Harry all of a sudden wouldnt have anything to do with distracting the public from the child abuse thing going on in Jersey would it ?

No, it wouldn't. That's not how P.R. works. Something like the child abuse and murder investigation going on in Jersey serves as a useful distraction from whatever the government is getting up to that it doesn't want us paying attention to. Likewise that nurse found guilty of killing eldery patients with insulin injections. If it draws attention away from people complaining about war in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the handling of the Northern Rock sub-prime lending crisis, you won't hear Gordon Brown complaining.

 
Look i dont make a habit of it but if i have just paid 4 quid for a take away then i am not going to waste it if i have just dropped it on the floor unless it is hopelessly irretrievable and messy.


 As for eating others Kebabs i was hungry so i just ate it.This has only happened a few times.


 Its never done me any harm.


 I was in a pub beer garden and the next table left a load of half eaten ploughmans that they barely touched so i ate them instead as its criminal to waste good food like that and i was hungry.


 This happened at the same pub inside when again the next table left about 4 individual Lasagnes that again they barely touched and then left suddenly so the second their backs were turned i ate them myself as they were still warm.

 I always eat others left overs at the same table if i am eating out with them and they cant eat it depending on what it is.


 If i am eating with family its always give it to Peter he will eat it if there are leftovers.

I can't wait for the "and finally, on the 10 O'clock news. Man found eating food off pavements, says it never did me any harm." In fact didn't the BBC do a programme on an old bloke who collects road kill and puts it all in his freezer to eat. Was that you Peter?

Anyway joking (not) aside, Peter I salute you, for your True GREEN credentials. We should all be like Peter and eat waste food, especially off the pavements and this country would be all the better for it! Just think of the litter he is cleaning up off the streets and in turn stopping the rats having a feast.    

By the way, where is best to do it? Do you hang around eating establishments around your meal times or do you have an ad hoc approach and just eat stuff when you see it, even if you are not hungry.

This is what makes me proud of GREAT BRITAIN and I for one know that Prince Harry fought for the likes of you to eat half eaten kebabs off our streets and not be looked down upon. Well done Harry, without your effort Peter would be bloody starving. LOL.

I knew a girl that used to do this, hang around in the burger joints eating peoples leftovers

Of course she was homeless and on drugs at the time

but still..

Still remember eating in a pub in Glasgow while a jakey rooted about in the bin across the street. From the depths of the bin he produced a battered sausage and we watched in horror as he ate it. Even through a window and across the street we could hear the crunch when he bit down on that thing. Shudder.

In fact, re-reading your posts Peter, you ever dined out in Glasgow?

Oh blimey. I can't condemn you for it, Peter. Especially when you've entertained us so much. I like the way you add to the legend by listing other instances where you've made good on other people's profligacy. I think you're a hero of some sort. I won't be following the example, but it's always good to see original and independent thinking in action.

I just can't concieve of a situation, no matter how many drugs were coursing through my addled brain, when I'd be walking home at any hour of the day or night and eat a kebab off the floor instead of a)going into the kebab shop for one of my own or b)going home for toast.

 That bloody thumbs down business and disappearing posts .Its infuriating.


 The third time :


 Its just one of those things  and i can think of worse things and it has only been a handful of times spread over years.


 I would eat Roadkill if it was Pheasent or something like that and it was fresh but depending on what state it was in after the impact since there is nothing wrong with it.


 I had to survive for a day or 2 at a festival because i lost all my cash.I could have borrowed cash but i didnt so i lived on leftovers at food stalls until i was lucky enough to find more money that was dropped.I just treated it as a survival situation to see what would happen for a day as a sort of adventure.


 I would rather eat off the pavement than in someones filthy Rathole of a kitchen at home and i have seen some terrible kitchens in my time.Not mine i have to add as i was in Catering for a very short while and partly because it was drilled into   me from an early age courtesy of Mum.And yes i taste a meal when i am cooking it .That freaks people out as well but all cooks do it .


 If i am eating out with someone i know or family and they decide they dont want half their Pizza then i am happy to eat it for them.They might say "would i like half of it " as has happened in the past or i just eat it at the end anyway as i have a big appetite.

 I am surprised how shocking it is to everyone as its normal if i am eating with family etc.Or perhaps we are all a bit odd.Probably.

 I can understand the Kebab business not appealing to everyone though.


 It does sound a little bit like Ro-Jaws though.


 

Is that Special Forces thing real? Fuck me, min!
There's distasteful, and downright 'pull-down-pants-and-shit-in-your-face' sick.

I can see it in the Pentagon now...

"Lets use the retards as bullet fodder and sandbags in the first wave, depleting the enemy's ammunition and causing them to reveal their position. We can then bomb the shit out of their positions and send in the real GI's to mop up"

A tactic used by Iran in the Iran-Iraq war, if memory serves.

As for eating others Kebabs i was hungry so i just ate it.This has only happened a few times.

Listen folks, if you've ever eaten in restaurant you've probably eaten something that's been on the floor and almost certainly something that someone else has had a taste of first - Peter's just cutting out the middleman.  

Five years of kitchen portering showed me nightly examples - and it's not just the cheapo joints.  

A good friend had a portering gig in the Shelbourne Hotel (Dublin's very half-hearted answer to the Ritz), and once had a whole trolley load of vol-au-vent nibbley things fall on the filthy floor of the service lift.  He returned in horror to the kitchen, where the Chef bawled him out of it, then told him to pick them up, dust them off and get a fucking move on.

  Being one of the worst offenders for laughing at things i shouldnt ,that special forces article didnt even raise a smile.


 Not because i was offended or anything ,i just found it childish and stupid in the extreme.

ah now

"Operation Great Job"


comedy gold

 
I wasnt put out by it at all.


 And i have laughed at things like that before its just that article and the WD40 Twat post on the Utube thread where i discovered the joys of watching some sad fucked up individuals burning spiders with WD40 !

 It was all a bit much and made me despair of Humanity even more than usual.


 I was in a tea room once in a little village as there was nowhere else open.We sat at a table and the guy who was waiting on the tables was one of our downs syndrome friends.

 One half of the couple on the next table when seeing the waiter said "here comes trouble ! " out loud so the whole place could hear it.I couldnt believe it.


 the friend i was with looked at me in a certain way because of what was just said and i started to crease up with laughter so much so that i had to go outside to calm down.


 It wasnt because of the poor guy waiting on the tables was funny in himself it was more the comment and the setting ,and my slightly warped sense of humour and the fact that sometimes when i  start laughing i just cant stop.

 So i am guilty too.


 It was a you had to be there moment.