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Title: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Buttonman on 28 January, 2012, 12:37:40 PM

Not got past the contents and Dreddlines (Bah!) but an excellent read in prospect - features on Manga in Japan will apeel to sum and a nice looking Mick Austin interrogation.

Best part was getting namechecked on the cover! Of course it may be another Buttonman or a tribute to a long forgotten strip but I'm having it! Many thanks to Jon Davis-Hunt and for anyone else who had a hand, or alien claw, in facilitating this. The last 27 years have been worthwhile!
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: I, Cosh on 28 January, 2012, 02:07:09 PM
A weak Meg again this month with Strange & Darke the only thing I actively enjoyed. On the bright side, no sign of Watson or Proudfoot on the letters page. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come in the 2012.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2012, 03:34:31 PM
I saw Rich & Izzy and Mr Worley namechecked on the cover, didn't spot you Buttonman. I'll take another look later with me good specs on.

Got my Meg but not my prog today. Grrr. Only had a glance - article on manga and American Reaper. grrrrrrreat.  ::)  I want my Dant, Absalom & Day of Chaos!
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Buttonman on 28 January, 2012, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 28 January, 2012, 02:07:09 PM
no sign of Watson or Proudfoot on the letters page. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come in the 2012.

Screw you and the horse you rode in on. Oh what's that? Ahead of me once again! I can take the brickbats but what about poor ault Tom? Abuse like that could finish him off!

'BUTTONMAN' is on the rider's left as a decal on the red bike, black text above the white 'N' and to the north east of the green 'KF' label - it's really obvious!
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Richmond Clements on 28 January, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Boot knife on the inside of this left boot..? That's a bit awkward..!
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Proper Dave on 28 January, 2012, 09:28:16 PM
Just to point out that the jokes I really, really liked in my stuff were cut in the editing stage. Stay tuned for when I finally get around to updating my site, when you can precisely why they were.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 28 January, 2012, 09:36:18 PM
I have two years worth of megs unread. I started but the run of one off meaningless Dredds during Origins, along with the strips (Tempest, Tank Girl) put me off.

Does it get better?
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 28 January, 2012, 09:37:19 PM
Very rarely, a few times in a lifetime, you open a Megazine and when you close it again nothing can ever be the same. Walls have been pulled down, barriers broken, a dimension of feeling, of existence itself, has opened in you that was not there before. American Reaper is a strip of this magnitude. American Reaper may be the most gifted reaper I've ever met; gifted not just because of his imagination, his energy, his originality, but because he has access to the unutterable, because he can look inside a person and discover the unique essence of her humanity. To look at American Reaper is to have yourself taken apart, undone, touched at the place of your own essence; it is to be turned back, as if after a long absence, into a human being
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Proper Dave on 28 January, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
I'm only saying this cos I happen to be on. But, yes. Yes, it gets better.

Just be prepared to inculcate a state of mind where if you see the words American Reaper, or twelve pages that look like an old photo-story from Jacky lit by fluorescents, can blank over it and pretend the horror never happened, then things will be good.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Proudhuff on 30 January, 2012, 11:18:48 AM
Great cover, lucky auld Buttman getting a namecheck, there's that artwork's sale confirmed!

Dredd; fine story and artwork, liked Dredd time travel quip, and the badge stuff.

Grim Reaper: lalalalalalalalalala, I'm not looking

Armitage: great over all feel but surely this is the Judge Nimrod(?) thing with added alien tech guns?

texty stuff interesting, and worth a read

Dreddlines great to see some newbies, and that Groggy chap having a moan too.

Once Lilly, Insurrection or anything replaces the Jackie Reaper thing all shall be well 

Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: vzzbux on 30 January, 2012, 08:37:42 PM
With [spoiler]the uniforms being slightly different wouldn't Younger Dredd have picked up on it and arrested Older Dredd as a JIMP[/spoiler]? Perhaps Dredd isn't as observant as we are led to believe.




V
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Trout on 30 January, 2012, 08:41:39 PM
Like so many time travel stories, it did have holes in. But you just have to go with it, I reckon.

It was a great story, and made me want to seek out the original and compare them.

- Trout
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: strontium71 on 30 January, 2012, 09:04:11 PM
Great Dredd but it just bugged me slightly that younger Dredd didn't twig older Dredd's chin and voice. He is supposed to have a unique gravelly voice and a chin like rockcrete isn't he?
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Trout on 30 January, 2012, 09:37:45 PM
Quote from: strontium71 on 30 January, 2012, 09:04:11 PM
Great Dredd but it just bugged me slightly that younger Dredd didn't twig older Dredd's chin and voice. He is supposed to have a unique gravelly voice and a chin like rockcrete isn't he?

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave moments ago.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Cactus on 31 January, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
Maybe his bionic eyes were playing up that night.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: I, Cosh on 31 January, 2012, 02:22:30 AM
Quote from: Cactus on 31 January, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
Maybe his bionic eyes were playing up that night.
He didn't have bionic eyes then.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Proudhuff on 31 January, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
More to the point, How did Strange and Darke land that enormous chopper right outside the Pub and the Ladylady didn't hear it?
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Colin MacNeil on 31 January, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 31 January, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
More to the point, How did Strange and Darke land that enormous chopper right outside the Pub and the Ladylady didn't hear it?

Who says flying hooferdoofers make a noise when landing? It is sci-fi after all. ;)
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: vzzbux on 31 January, 2012, 08:12:48 PM
Ref the SD Floppy:

Durham Red: Ring my bell. In the hall of mirrors every image different, no cut and past (I know it didn't exist then). This for me is very lacking in the modern era. I know it is labour saving but sometimes it can be over used.
I am not a professional artist (or amature for that matter) and dont pretend to be but how may artists in this modern day can say that they would have done that panel at the top of page 3 without digital skullduggery, maybe including the great Ezquerra.
Please no pitchforks as it is just an observation.




V
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Cactus on 01 February, 2012, 01:29:16 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 31 January, 2012, 02:22:30 AM
Quote from: Cactus on 31 January, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
Maybe his bionic eyes were playing up that night.
He didn't have bionic eyes then.

I noo yoo'd say dat!

Timey-wimey stuff?
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 February, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: Cactus on 01 February, 2012, 01:29:16 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 31 January, 2012, 02:22:30 AM
Quote from: Cactus on 31 January, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
Maybe his bionic eyes were playing up that night.
He didn't have bionic eyes then.

I noo yoo'd say dat!

Don't forget that present Dredd's also only just recovered from an operation to the larynx that left him unable to speak for a few weeks, so it's not a given that his voice is back to its usual self.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
I'm afraid Mr Carroll if off my Xmas card list.He took a potentially great character (my namesake) put him in a very shallow plot (which had a lot of holes in it), didn't develop him one iota, had him monologuing when he has the upper hand (like that really funny scene in the Incredibles), then promptly kills him off.Awful and so so lazy.

Not pleased  :(
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 February, 2012, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
...a very shallow plot (which had a lot of holes in it)

What, like the original story? 'I'm bored of being a buisness tycoon - I think I'll be King of Mega-City One. I have six nukes (never mind how) and I've hideen them all over the city (never mind how)...' Bleurgh.

Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
I'm afraid Mr Carroll if off my Xmas card list.He took a potentially great character...

...who reached his potential when Wagner renamed him P J Maybe and did the basic plot a second time with infinitely more subtletly, maturity and complexity. And also, to a lesser extent, in the story arc of Ralphy Bryne. Face it, the Albert Sherman story was just a little silly, and once PJ came along, what was the use of revisiting it?
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: TordelBack on 01 February, 2012, 06:58:06 PM
Pure coincidence that Mr Carroll is a member of this parish, I'm sure.   ;)
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 February, 2012, 07:13:29 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 01 February, 2012, 06:44:26 PM
Face it, the Albert Sherman story was just a little silly, and once PJ came along, what was the use of revisiting it?

Which is not to imply that this story was not worth doing, more that I can't understand why anyone would so desperately want the original back in any serious way.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 08:27:43 PM
The first Sherman story was indeed a simple plot ,written in the ealy years of Dredd, but still entertaining nonetheless and with some novel ideas for time.Second time around it missed the mark.

Sherman being a judge would have been a more unique adversary to anthing previous (including PJ and any other rogue judge) with lots of scope for an intriging backstory.The potential was there even if you dont see it.An opportunity missed sadly.

Moving along now..............................
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Mike Carroll on 01 February, 2012, 08:36:09 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
... kills him off.

Where does it say he's dead?

-- Mike
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Batman's Superior Cousin on 01 February, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 01 February, 2012, 08:36:09 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
... kills him off.

Where does it say he's dead?

-- Mike

Wha.....??? You mean he's either in a coma or he's paralysed!?!

Anyway, that was one of the best Dredd stories I've ever read (alongside Beat the Devil, Meet the Umbersons, Monkey on my Back, Choose your own Xmas and the current Dredd arc!!!).
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 01 February, 2012, 08:36:09 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 01 February, 2012, 06:11:42 PM
... kills him off.

Where does it say he's dead?

-- Mike

Oooooooooooohhhhhh.I stand corrected.Soooooo Mr Carroll, erhem Mike, what do you want for Xmas, slippers or aftershave? :D
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Proudhuff on 02 February, 2012, 01:41:30 PM
These short, fun stories are a great balance to the epic currently running in the Prog, more power to yer elbow Mr C.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Proudhuff on 02 February, 2012, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: Colin MacNeil on 31 January, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 31 January, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
More to the point, How did Strange and Darke land that enormous chopper right outside the Pub and the Ladylady didn't hear it?

Who says flying hooferdoofers make a noise when landing? It is sci-fi after all. ;)

Crickey, check the page with the flight from London to Wales and he's right.... no sound effects!!
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Martin Howe on 03 February, 2012, 11:45:01 PM
Blimey, so Dredd's [spoiler]property of MC1[/spoiler] and not even [spoiler]a citizen?[/spoiler] Major revelation there :o
Not that Dredd himself would lose any sleep over it, but even for MC1 that's extreme!

Can you imagine what'd happen to respect for the badge if it became public knowledge?

Dredd to creep: You're under arrest, perp!
Creep: Oh yeah? [spoiler]At least I'm a citizen![/spoiler]

(Of course Dredd would then sentence the creep to loss of citizenship, but that's beside the point)
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Hoagy on 04 February, 2012, 12:41:17 AM
I'm sure Dave Stone is hanging around because he's ever so proud of this Armitage. And so he should be and colour this fan lauding. It's the best Armpitage I've read. Yes- very helped by Patrick Goddard's smooth, blackly comic inks. Steel has never looked so good. I'll admit to having to reread the the first two instalment over a few times, but this month's episode slid everything into place nice and carefully for my fat head. It's a great story.

I may come across as someone complaining there is a lot of needless rehashing of an old begotten tale for the Dredd story but it's not that at all. After all, it let me into an old script that was forgotten or never read by Casa Rothwell.

But I still have this question for Mr Carroll if it's not too rude. I don't think it is because the thought occurred while reading it.

Out of many Dredd villains to choose from; why Sherman?

And to set it apart from a PJ number, there is the obvious fact that in the long run it's Dredd's mistake coming back to thwart him. As Sherman's gone through the Academy. Sparking off the great line " Academy? I wrote the book!" {/paraphrasebot]  So, was this why? And it does leave the prominent message that most villains never change and always be wary of bad seeds, for they'll blossom to bad apples no matter what "chances" they get. I guess child criminal mastermind' s come good working for the the Judge is a bit too fantasy for a by the book, gritty and realistic story like Dredd then?
And there were other things not quite right on the old Dredd for the not-quite-Sherlock-Dredd to ignore, such as the shoulder armour and the different shaped visor and the obvious Hellman's on the breakfast bar of the kitchen in the Pat Wagon duplicity. So, I'll agree with The Trout on this one and consider it a moot point on any time-shift anomalies occurring to young two feet in Dredd.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: staticgirl on 07 February, 2012, 01:59:59 PM
Just nipping in to say that panel of the dino-townsfolk about to be obliterated by the K/T event mades oi larf.

Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 07 February, 2012, 04:45:52 PM
Will the Meg be doing this with Dredd all year?
Doing a sort of 35 years on story line?
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 10 February, 2012, 09:52:41 PM
Just read the Strontium Dogs floppy.
Who's was the Albino SD in the second story?
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: DrJomster on 12 February, 2012, 07:17:11 AM
Actually that first "hidden with spoilers" point by Martin IS quite interesting. Is that new (in spoilers please for continuity) or have I just not cottoned on to it before!
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Proper Dave on 12 February, 2012, 10:31:39 PM
The (spoiler) is something I've always assumed Dredd to be, and in the actual script I qualified it a bit more for the sake of covering my continuity-bases. Since that was edited down to say it flat-out, I can only assume that it's canon.

Insert smiley.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Dandontdare on 13 February, 2012, 09:48:13 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 10 February, 2012, 09:52:41 PM
Just read the Strontium Dogs floppy.
Who's was the Albino SD in the second story?

That's Feral - Simon Harrison's portrayal wasn't to everyone's taste, but I liked it. Wagner & Ezquerra brought him back as an overweight backstabbing loser - safe to say he wasn't their favourite character!
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: staticgirl on 14 February, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
Simon Harrison's take on Strontium Dogs brought in a lot of goth to read 2000AD. One of my friends still uses his version of Feral as her icon on a variety of sites. She even had hair like his for a while.
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 14 February, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 February, 2012, 09:48:13 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 10 February, 2012, 09:52:41 PM
Just read the Strontium Dogs floppy.
Who's was the Albino SD in the second story?

That's Feral - Simon Harrison's portrayal wasn't to everyone's taste, but I liked it. Wagner & Ezquerra brought him back as an overweight backstabbing loser - safe to say he wasn't their favourite character!
I see! I would never have guessed it was Feral! XD
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: I, Cosh on 14 February, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 14 February, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 February, 2012, 09:48:13 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 10 February, 2012, 09:52:41 PM
Just read the Strontium Dogs floppy.
Who's was the Albino SD in the second story?
That's Feral - Simon Harrison's portrayal wasn't to everyone's taste, but I liked it. Wagner & Ezquerra brought him back as an overweight backstabbing loser - safe to say he wasn't their favourite character!
I see! I would never have guessed it was Feral! XD
I'm confused. Didn't Simon Harrison create Feral in the first place?

<Insert your own reminder of how much I loved Simon Harrison's art>
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Steve Green on 16 February, 2012, 02:20:11 PM
What's confusing?

Simon Harrison first drew Feral, after Carlos said he didn't want to kill of Johnny Alpha.

After the Final Solution there were a few more Feral stories drawn by various artists.

When Johnny was brought back by John Wagner and Carlos 20 years later, he decided to make Feral an unreliable witness so he could clear the decks of the post-Final Solution stories...
Title: Re: MEG 320 - AVIEW TO A KILL!
Post by: Alien Goodness on 22 February, 2012, 05:26:53 PM
Didn't enjoy this Meg as much. The written articles were more interesting than some of the strips! I particularly enjoyed the interview with Mick Austin. It seemed very timely as there was a recent thread on here where we were discussing this particular art droid.