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[sheridan]

As ever it appears to be the considered position of the authorities that they should just cease to exist and then everything will be fine, including the poop.

Yup, that's the way of Irish government. If you don't fit in, we'll pretend you don't exist till you stop existing.

Nothing particular to Irish government about that :-(

[Goaty]

Then there was red moon, and they found water on Mars and Facebook down, so was it end of the world tomorrow not Tuesday last week?

[CrazyFoxMachine]

For some reason Ozzy Osbourne was in my home town yesterday. I find that hilarious for some reason.

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

He's looking rather sprightly for an old rocker. My old Boss used to work for him as a cleaner/washer up. It's a small world after all.

[Hawkmumbler]

I'm linking this because, god above, that's some truly stupendously awful art and I wouldn't want to scar any one here with Frank Miller awfulness.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/frank-millers-first-dark-knight-iii-cover-revealed

[SuperSurfer]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/frank-millers-first-dark-knight-iii-cover-revealed

Makes that unused Megazine cover look like a classic.

[TordelBack]

I'm linking this because, god above, that's some truly stupendously awful art and I wouldn't want to scar any one here with Frank Miller awfulness.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/frank-millers-first-dark-knight-iii-cover-revealed

It sort-of works if you imagine it's a background detail from Marshal Law.

To quote Chief Judge Silver, when they fall, they fall hard.

[Hawkmumbler]

Kev O'Neill, however, is a massively accomplished artist and any kind of gaudy art in Marshal Law is entirely intentional (see Public Spirit in the original mini, or the Golden Age Hero's in Hateful Dead).

[Frank]

Kev O'Neill, however, is a massively accomplished artist

So is Miller. He changed comics. Twice.

[JayzusB.Christ]

Kev O'Neill, however, is a massively accomplished artist

So is Miller. He changed comics. Twice.

Fair enough. Though I'm finding it harder and harder to separate young, fresh, groundbreaking Frank from old, racist, cack-handed Frank.

[Richmond Clements]

Kev O'Neill, however, is a massively accomplished artist

So is Miller. He changed comics. Twice.

Fair enough. Though I'm finding it harder and harder to separate young, fresh, groundbreaking Frank from old, racist, cack-handed Frank.

Exactly.
He may have done great stuff 30 years ago, but he'd a horrible old racist now. 

[Frank]

Being a great artist and being an apalling human being aren't mutually exclusive.

Sin City, 300, and Martha Washington - a strong, black female (title) character who isn't a dull exercise in box ticking - were all good until around 1999, but (like many comic creators) Miller spent most of the 21st century trying (and failing) to get out of comics and into the film industry. All Star Batman is good, apparently.

The image King of the Hawkmongers linked to above is rubbish, but the reasons for that are obvious. The 2000ad board probably isn't the best place to open up a discussion about comic creators who were great in the eighties but who - through a combination of ill health and old age - no longer hit quite the same heights.

[Definitely Not Mister Pops]

Ach, you could probably make a really long list of artists (from any creative field, musicians, writers, you name it) that produced seminal works early in their careers, but then two of three decades later, the quality of their work plummeted.

I'll start, shall I?

Paul McCartney.

Although he might have died years ago and we should be blaming Billy Shears for Wings etc...

[JayzusB.Christ]

I wouldn't hold getting old and losing it against anyone.  I would, however, hold producing blatantly racist work while spouting chickenhawk, elitist crap against Frank Miller.