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Title: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: The Monarch on 06 April, 2024, 12:30:34 PM
its been a while since we had a generic tharg being tharg cover....seems almost nostalgic. its cliff robinson so you know its good.

Dredd, indigo prime and proteus vex continue on.

full tilt boogie ends book 2 with a tagline that the next book may well be its last. it will be replaced next prog by brink book six so thats exciting

Aquilla returns it feels like an age since we last saw it luckily the nerve centre has a story so far blurb so that was kinda helpful

all in all pretty good prog all round
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Le Fink on 06 April, 2024, 04:50:36 PM
Tharg vs Thrill Suckers on the cover. Tharg looks strangely happy!

Dredd it's man v beast and Dredd is really feeling his age in this one. I love the art, lots of energy and comic gore. Guera's interpretation of the uniform fine by me. The snowy and underwater scenes are great. A full eagled Judge on the first page looks very similar to Moon which confused me at first.

Full Tilt Boogie sets up the final series. Enjoyed this one more than the first series - looking forward to the finale. This transferred well from Rege*bzzzt*

Aquila returns with a famous character... oh he was a major part of Aquila's backstory? Good grief I need to go back and re-read. Anyway the story starts lively then we have some setup to get us underway. All good. Art superb.

Indigo Prime things are coming to a head as a family connection is revealed. It's been a fun ride. Nice crashy ship splash page.

Proteus Vex is just bloody brilliant isn't it? We've hardly glimpsed the main characters but who cares with the great world building and side-stories and characters. "Balanced treaties and considered negotiation" lol.

Good prog and Brink on the way? Can't wait.

Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: broodblik on 06 April, 2024, 06:16:41 PM
Cover by Cliff Robinson and Dylan Teague:

(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/UNUdRwflkCktcChfIh3sBY3h3Ls=/trim/fit-in/779x1024/filters:format(webp)/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/58/0c/b9e609252bb65cf56c62754a509ce77a15c2.jpg)
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Richard on 06 April, 2024, 06:58:19 PM
I always like Cliff Robinson's work, but I don't like Tharg covers, because what is a potential new reader going to make of that? Who would be enticed to pick that up and give it a chance?

A solid Dredd episode, and this artist is really good, I'd happily see more from him.

Glad to see Aquila back. Patrick Goddard is one of my all time favourites. I've forgotten who the witch is though, might have to re-read book one.

I've enjoyed FTB, but it doesn't feel like 11 episodes! Not an awful lot really happened, but it was fun anyway.

I agree with Fink about Proteus Vex. I also liked Blessed's reaction on seeing the spaceship.

Leaving IP for tomorrow.

There's also a Star Scan by Nick Dyer.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Max Headroom on 06 April, 2024, 07:09:09 PM
Is this the final story-arc of 'Aquila'? If so, would there potentially be enough material for a second Ultimate Collection edition?
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Funt Solo on 06 April, 2024, 09:03:20 PM
Quote from: Richard on 06 April, 2024, 06:58:19 PMI always like Cliff Robinson's work, but I don't like Tharg covers, because what is a potential new reader going to make of that? Who would be enticed to pick that up and give it a chance?

I don't think you've asked an unfair question, but I'm wondering if you feel like it's always been unappealing? (Like, Tharg's been doing this sort of thing forever - sometimes with internal stories, sometimes without. His presence on the cover didn't stop me from buying the prog back in the day, so I wonder why it would now?*)

(https://i.imgur.com/1e2NLk1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0M7oXJP.png)

I suppose there's also the counter that it might entice older Squaxx back into the fold by providing some nostalgia. (Not Bish-OP, natch, because he's got a real downer on about Tharg and probably grinds his teeth whenever he sees him.)


*To be fair, it also wasn't a Tharg cover that got me into the prog. The first cover I saw was...

(https://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/146.jpg)
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Richard on 06 April, 2024, 10:14:33 PM
I'm not saying it would put off existing readers, only people who haven't picked up the prog before. Would someone start with this one? Or prog 722, for that matter?
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 April, 2024, 01:00:42 AM
Ah, I understand now. Not to talk for the Bish, but I suppose that must have been part of his thinking when he tried to excise the Betelgeusian back in the day. For my part, I've always liked that Tooth has a mad alien editor. Being used to him, I have no idea if he's an attraction for new readers.

The Tharg stories were never really a high point - although the occasional appearance in specials can be a lot of fun - like the time Harry Angel became Zombo Prime and Tharg threatened to kill us if we didn't move onto the next page.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 April, 2024, 09:59:07 AM
Nicely realised nostalgia cover. I've no idea if Tharg holds any widespread appeal, but I can't imagine that many characters do, frankly. And I don't really want every 2000 AD cover to be Dredd angrily going GRRR at the reader.

Speaking of, Dredd is probably not someone any judge should agree to go on a mission with, judging by the current fiasco. I'm enjoying this story well enough, though. Then Full Tilt Boogie ends well, but with that ominous strap. Returning for a series finale? I hope that means it just wraps up this arc, rather than the whole thing.

Aquila bursts out of the gate with its bloody fury, while Indigo Prime dodders a bit, even if that a full-page ship image is rather lovely. Then another twist of sorts in Proteus Vex, which remains compelling.

In all a very good Prog, and that looks set to continue next week, given that FTB is being swapped out for Brink.

Oh, and the strap on that star scan: let's hope so. But in a manner where Maitland's own cunning and foresight is the source and reason behind the downfall of those who killed her, rather than Dredd's fists.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Barrington Boots on 08 April, 2024, 11:00:14 AM
I always have time for a classic Tharg cover (apart from that one with the bongos)

I thought this was a good Prog. Vex is the highlight by some way, but that isn't because the other strips suck. Really enjoying this series of IP and great to see Aquila back: it's looking as terrific as ever.

I also hope that the next series of FTB won't be the last - it feels like it's just getting going, really. What happened to the big floaty head guy in ther heroes ship? We haven't seen him at all this time around, did he get the boot in the last series?
Dredd is action packed and brilliantly executed but still lacks any engagement for me. I expect this will change as the story unfolds a bit. Also I hope this bear chases them for the entire series like an ursine tyrant from RE2.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 April, 2024, 11:03:51 AM
Heh. That'd be amusing. Eight episodes in and Dredd's getting REALLY annoyed at his inability to shake a giant bear. And Moon's sincerely wishing she'd been a massive show-off so Dredd would have picked someone else. But then: shock twist! By the end, Dredd runs into a bunch of super-secret East-Meggers, planning to invade, but the bear tears through them all. To which the only response from Dredd is to make the bear an honorary judge.

(Why, yes, I have been leafing through 1970s and 1980s Dredd and 2000 AD specials. Why do you ask? :D )
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: broodblik on 08 April, 2024, 11:22:26 AM
Shako strikes back
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Funt Solo on 08 April, 2024, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 April, 2024, 11:03:51 AMthe only response from Dredd is to make the bear an honorary judge.

Dredd: "Bearanismo."
Logan: "Bearanismo?"
Dredd: "My judgement."
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 09 April, 2024, 07:45:25 AM
I like that cover and also appreciate the Tharg covers. Actually thought it was Boo Cook at first glance.

I'd like to see a similar, religion-themed cover with the caption 'Come fry ...AAGGGHH', but that's why Tharg is Tharg and I'm not.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 April, 2024, 08:52:31 PM
Late prog review as I read this a couple of days ago. Key things that stood out to me are:

Dredd - its just so okay. Its fine but at the moment just isn't doing anything that we've not seen a hundred time before.

I loved Full Tilt Boogie week to week, but now its ended I kinda think, oh is that all. It'll be interesting how it feels on re-read to see if it holds together. Looking forward to this one coming back.

Fun to have Aquila back - as I recall this will be a last horrah?

Indigo Prime and Proteus Vex remain wonderful AND we get Brink back - result.

Good Prog.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: broodblik on 10 April, 2024, 08:40:22 AM
A very good prog.

Dredd – This is all about survival. Still all-action without knowing anything about Dredd's secret mission. Enjoying the Shako moments really liking the art.

Boogie – This arc was quite different from the first one where we had long spells focusing on the world rather than being too wordy. Some interesting revelations and hopefully the next book is only the end of this arc rather than this interesting world.

Aquila – The first chapter starts of with some great action from Goddard. Great that this is back, and it looks like we will be in for a wild ride.

Prime – I am just looking at the pretty pictures as the words are just flowing off like water on a duck's back.

Vex – Another new character is introduced, and the world building continues. Great art, awesome story just really like this strange alien world.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Proudhuff on 10 April, 2024, 03:01:21 PM
A much improved prog.

Dredd – Enjoyable punchy fighty bits, great Dreddisms and old man stuff. Intrigued by the mission. Art very good, so many people could have lost the thread here, but this is an easy flowing read.

Boogie – Another five pages of talking heads? how did we get here? This is not the beautiful House of Tharg, this is not a beautiful life...

Aquila – Great to see him and Kirk back, Never sure about the exposition dump while fighting but it moves things along, avoids the trap FTBoogie falls into and gets us to the meat of the story..

Prime – oooooh Vienna!

Vex – Stretching my limited brain power, but I'm enjoying the ride.

Maitland's Revenge? Business as usual? looking forward to that.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: norton canes on 11 April, 2024, 11:52:55 AM
Great that in the rare absence of nothing specific to plug, there's an old-school Nerve Centre message from Tharg rambling about bizarre human behaviour. More of this sort of thing!

Nice to see that Moon's instinct to cut and run is already bearing fruit. Nice choice, Dredd. Hale would probably have tried to fly the HW302 into it. Agreed that much of Full Tilt Boogie hasn't had the same manic energy as the early chapters. Would be a shame if it regains its mojo only to conclude. Aquila was great, as ever - is it also surging towards its climax? If so, roll on The Alienist book three!

Proteus Vex is fast becoming an all-time classic thrill. You know something's really good when a fantastic episode like this doesn't even feature any of the protagonists. The spaceship is a barrel. Love it.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Richard on 11 April, 2024, 02:36:15 PM
The Alienist was pretty good, I'd like to see that again.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Funt Solo on 11 April, 2024, 06:59:04 PM
I'd like to see Mechastopheles back as well.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: broodblik on 11 April, 2024, 07:26:18 PM
Jaegir for me with some lovely Coleby art
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Max Headroom on 11 April, 2024, 07:29:31 PM
'Diaboliks' is one that I would like to see return.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Proudhuff on 12 April, 2024, 10:59:41 AM
Quote from: Richard on 11 April, 2024, 02:36:15 PMThe Alienist was pretty good, I'd like to see that again.

Agreed, would be good to get 'closure' on this one!!
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Funt Solo on 13 April, 2024, 05:32:16 PM
Cover: good, but not as good as:

(https://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/667.jpg)


Fudge Bread: don't panic! He still has his boot knife, I think. Is Williams channeling DKR? All the internal monologue and the young sidekick. Anyway - clueless still about why we've ended up out here and what the mission is, but I suppose that's all irrelevant as the mission parameters have changed to "stay warm and ahead of Shako's bigger cousin". I'm really enjoying the art - the facial expressions are really selling it.

Boogie Wonderland (https://youtu.be/god7hAPv8f0?si=sj8Q_d6KvKkbE7ky): setting us up for the next part of the mission. This is fine, but fair points have been made about it being a bit slow if it's read weekly. I don't actually mind that we have something paced a bit differently, but if you're wanting weekly "shots of rocket fuel", then I can see how this might play at the wrong speed. Looking forward to the next series.

Blackhawk: "Why, you slimy, double-crossing, no-good swindler! You've got a lot of guts coming here, after what you pulled." ... [clang, smash] ... "How you doing, you old pirate?" Could you remove a pound of your own flesh? The Internet Detectives are on the case! (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskScienceDiscussion/comments/3cyi7k/what_pound_of_flesh_when_cut_off_could_i_survive/) Patrick Goddard's email to GRrrr: "Anything you can do to reduce the number of eyes? I really don't like drawing eyes." Explains a lot. (Nothing else sensible to say - it's really good, so...)

Periwinkle Supreme - the appeal has to be something other than the lives and deaths of the characters, because when Jerry Foundation gets cut in half, well, wasn't he already dead? Did he used to wear a universe? Is that the same person from the same reality? Is he really cut in half, like that guy that got shot in the face but was fine a couple of episodes later, or will he just sew himself back together with a magic space zip? What the fuck is going on, Kek? Do you know? Did John ever know? Never mind - big explosions and weird things. (As above, I do actually like this.)

Salamander Irk - best thing in the prog - continues to surprise while still moving an over-arching plot forward and remaining dense with dialog, comedy beats and action. It's a real treat.

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Top prog running a five-for-five wanna readingness factor. Bonus Maitland thing makes it all feel curated, and cared for. Sword percent symbol on shoulder pad a nice touch.
Title: Re: prog 2377: Come fry with me!
Post by: Richard on 13 April, 2024, 06:47:31 PM
Thanks for that link, that was definitely worth following!