“Truth? You can't handle the truth!”

[JOE SOAP]

I do what I do in the real world, while people with thousands of posts (equating to lots of time) in a comic book forum try to bash me and my true story. I am not knocking comic books, or thousands of posts, I am simply assessing the situation. I suggest that some people do the same. Only actually really do it - don't just flap your lips.

Something tells me you've clocked-up a lot of 'real world' time on previous, niche, forums. This is definitely not the first wall you've scrawled on.

[Apoceclipse]

I do what I do in the real world, while people with thousands of posts (equating to lots of time) in a comic book forum try to bash me and my true story. I am not knocking comic books, or thousands of posts, I am simply assessing the situation. I suggest that some people do the same. Only actually really do it - don't just flap your lips.

Something tells me you've clocked-up a lot of 'real world' time on previous, niche, forums. This is definitely not the first wall you've scrawled on.

some, which I have stated, i'll share some articles I posted on ATS. Like I said, I am not knocking people's use of time - choose your own adventure. I know I do mine, for the most part... certainly not knocking your 13k+ posts, as you have been most respectful, in my opinion, not to mention more thoroughly briefed than most here, as far as I can tell...

[Apoceclipse]

https://youtu.be/eXDASDDrDkM


is she full of BS too? and you think this 'just stopped'?

this court hearing outcome was - guess what - CLASSIFIED

[Apoceclipse]

JOE SOAP, out of curiosity, my whole 'thing' aside - what is your opinion of 'project MONARCH'? is it BS? a reality? etc... let me know...

Thanks

[Apoceclipse]

Ive stated why I am here

Hmm. Have you? I mean this most sincerely, but why are you here?

An excellent question, but I think he's already answered it.

He's said he wants to protect future prosoects from suffering the same things he's suffered at the hands of the US government.

So, obviously, the best way to do this is spending hours and hours a day fighting a flamewar on a forum dedicated to a UK comic that until very recently he'd never heard of and has absolutely no interest in.

We get it, you are sarcastic. Very sharp one, you are.

I see the focus has fallen on me, and not the subject matter.

Actually, there's no sarcasm in Gordon's response. That is what you said and that is what you're currently doing.

You're also responsible for the focus falling on yourself. All you've done is repeatedly (and somewhat obnoxiously) talk about yourself, placing more emphasis on that than on the subject you purport to be interested in discussing.

Mostly true, but nothing is one sided, eh? I take it you are authorized to speak for Gordon...

That surely is PART of what I said. Obviously the only part you focus on - ?

Also, I have done much more than speak about myself, please review the posts, and the content, kindly. Thank you

[JOE SOAP]

JOE SOAP, out of curiosity, my whole 'thing' aside - what is your opinion of 'project MONARCH'? is it BS? a reality? etc... let me know...

Thanks

Remaining evidence of MKUltra - that wasn't shredded by Richard Helms - was revealed to the US Supreme Court by the Church Committee findings in the seventies. I don't think many people here said it didn't exist as a long-term research project but as to the results and application of these things - if any - I doubt there'd be much of a paper trail. Unfortunately decades of truth and fantasist fiction have mingled and muddied the waters of covert history so it's not wise to believe or trust every claim made - even if it looks 'official'.

In this day and age you don't have to spend time trying to brainwash/coerce people into doing things - you just hire them as private contractors and pay them off.

[Apoceclipse]

First of all, I apologize if I have insulted you. Look, I understand people's point of view. It's fine. All aspects of social dynamic, let alone addressing the issue I am speaking of, where I am right now, online, on the 2000AD FORUM (i don't think you realize, I am not trying to demean by calling it a comic book forum, but I see being specific sounds perhaps, less derogatory?) - the whole thing is too complicated, even talk about. So, sorry if I did something to actually hurt your feelings, or really affect your life. I get upset about this stuff. I should know better by now.

Ok guys, it for real is about time for me to move on, because truth be told, I am very emotionally attached to all this, and even giving tidbits of my story out, and being attacked like this, really fucken hurts. It have been a long time, and I should know better, but I do understand, and get it, and don't blame anyone, I would act the same damn way. It's fucked. Fuck it. I still don't get why people don't understand that MKultra wasn't just research, and then got operationalized, at least the aspects that worked. I mean, DUH. You think they did all that shit for no reason? What the fuck. I know I am an asshole, but just imagine that this is real for a second. Even is you have to just imagine, I am genuinely insane, halfway intelligent, but insane, and truly know, in my mind, or think that this happened to me.

Most people would be flipping there shit. Completely. I did, I WENT TO PRISON. Then got my charges switched to fake charges. I obviously have evidence (if not proof of my story, because an alternate story could be made to fit the evidence, I realize) that this happened, but it exposes my person. I could give a shit, because it goes 10x (figure of speech) deeper than that. IM FUCKED. So fuck you! hahaha, but seriously. Do you not get it? I just want to help people. Holy shit!

PLEASE, just do me the favor - look into these links, FOR 15 minutes, just incase:

https://ritualabuse.us

http://childabuserecovery.com

https://survivorship.org

Now, comes the honest rant. Holy shit, dude. I'm about to type-like-I-talk. Which is what I mostly do, if you don't realize...

Tell me all these people are wrong/crazy. There are THOUSANDS. Imagine how many don't know or aren't there. Probably 10's of thousands in the world. Which is not that many, if you do the math, but still, this shit is super fucked up. FUCK

Look, I know I am an asshole, but shit - at least I have to act like what I went through made me tough as shit - I have to salvage something from my childhood and life - what the fuck. Please understand, this is not about me - it is genuinely about trying to stop something horrible from happening. The only way I can do this is raise awareness, because I tried to first hand, and woke up in the trauma unit, OK? I barely made it. Then finally found out what happened years later. It's fucked. I had amnesia. Dissociative Fugue - look it up. I did what I could do, it needs to be people en mass caring, and maybe something eventually will happen. Probably not, its fucken classified shit, that all the countries do. Modern warfare for fucking real. FUCK.

Goodbye then? Or until someone really talks shit and I get kicked off with my reply? =) hahaha... how much can we talk normal? I have been holding back like a mother fucker. Obviously....

OK, I am going up and down, trying to check this, and can't even read this shit, I am upset, and should leave, because I expose my person further, which if fucking ridiculous, but I'll post the next post, with the shit I have planned, and then hopefully I can pull the plug, because fuck you if you don't realize that it hurts someones feelings when they are just trying to do something good, when shit is so fucked up. I am done trying to explain this SHIT!

I hope you all enjoy that public breakdown shit hahahahahah

[Apoceclipse]

JOE SOAP, out of curiosity, my whole 'thing' aside - what is your opinion of 'project MONARCH'? is it BS? a reality? etc... let me know...

Thanks

Remaining evidence of MKUltra - that wasn't shredded by Richard Helms - was revealed to the US Supreme Court by the Church Committee findings in the seventies. I don't think many people here said it didn't exist as a long-term research project but as to the results and application of these things - if any - I doubt there'd be much of a paper trail. Unfortunately decades of truth and fantasist fiction have mingled and muddied the waters of covert history so it's not wise to believe or trust every claim made - even if it looks 'official'.

In this day and age you don't have to spend time trying to brainwash/coerce people into doing things - you just hire them as private contractors and pay them off.

no way 10x bigger than that. people processed while young may not know they are a sleeper and be in key positions. no way to replace that. I was self aware due to the generational aspect. but was also lied to of course, as is custom

[Apoceclipse]

before everybody cheers (for me leaving), just let me post the last of what I can show publicly, to full circle the shit

[JOE SOAP]

I still don't get why people don't understand that MKultra wasn't just research, and then got operationalized

Because you can't show demonstrable evidence that would prove it beyond doubt on this forum. It's not the reason the forum is here.

PLEASE, just do me the favor - look into these links, FOR 15 minutes, just incase:

Thanks but I've read plenty over the past 2-3 decades about institutionalised/cyclical child abuse in my own country so I don't need to be handed links to understand the psychology of it and the consequences and generational effects it has on human lives. I don't need to be instructed to "look it up".

[Apoceclipse]

I still don't get why people don't understand that MKultra wasn't just research, and then got operationalized

Because you can't show demonstrable evidence that would prove it beyond doubt on this forum. It's not the reason the forum is here.

PLEASE, just do me the favor - look into these links, FOR 15 minutes, just incase:

Thanks but I've read plenty over the past 2-3 decades about institutionalised/cyclical child abuse in my own country so I don't need to be handed links to understand the psychology of it and the consequences and generational effects it has on human lives. I don't need to be instructed to "look it up".

talking to everyone, not you, just give me a sec, fucker. hahaha

and despite the name, it is about gov't mind control, and ritual abuse, not just child abuse - what the whole thing I am on about is, and what have you say about the video of the lady? huh? or you couldn't be bothered?

look, I obviously don't give a shit if this is the right place - can ya tell?

[JOE SOAP]

what have you say about the video of the lady? huh? or you couldn't be bothered?

It's the attitude that gets you nowhere.

For your info, I've seen these testimonies before - long before you posted the same video all ready on this thread - and if you noticed, these are the same testimonies and claims about MKUltra that were related to the Church Committee I mentioned earlier.

This woman does not claim to have been an operational sleeper agent.

[Apoceclipse]

First off - HERE ARE CREDIBLE CONCISE SUMMARIES ~ THIS TOPIC:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrolinformation#mindcontrolsummaries



Ok, on to my "BS"

I realize none of this shit is proof or anything, no shit. I won't release anything classified, and I won't release anything directly exposing my person. But if you think that they don't put brain implants, in a select few, and basically groom them to be an assassin/spy from young, through various methods, than you are fucking kidding yourself. Fucken less you know, not me.

Straight off the GOV'T ID. But no, I am a liar, and won't show more. I have nothing to prove. Use common sense for the big picture, not just in regards to my smart mouth. Hahahaha

BRAIN IMPLANT - at 6 months old, before fontanelle closure, so they could have actual access to see. Look up SEMATECH - and the CSNE. This was in UPSTATE NY. BOTH are affiliated with DARPA... which is also affiliated with CUBIC. You need to look into these places, just out of curiosity. This is the platform I can tell you about....
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTcTh0ZHQ2VGdSbDg
Yeah, I read comics, too. So as one person knows, who has replied, MONARCH has been written about. Basically different forms of 'manchurian candidates' to simplify it... The comic goes hand in hand with LOTS of material out there - none proven, of course not. Because nowadays, what is proof over the internet? With modern graphics, NOTHING is proof online. Of course. So why ever expose my person on a 2000AD forum? Of course not. Plus, nothing to prove. SCAR, is as close as you get.

'abnormal brain' - is how they describe implant, and the physiological changes of delicately induced D.I.D/DDNOS - a euphemism, for sure. Or perhaps you will read this as, I have a abnormal brain, and am INSANE. - fair enough!, hahahaha
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTLUc2UmNPT3BOdk0

160th airstrip - Edward Hunter Field. - Edward Hunter was an intelligence agent and writer, who coined the term 'brainwashing' - look it up. I don't give a shit if you don't see 'edward' on the map.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTN0kwTzRySjJPTzA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTQlFyNTZpdkVOSjQ
you can see the maze in corn across the street, for training. only instructor know map of field

found out I was going out in the middle of the night on my trail cams. that fucked shit up
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTSGQxOW9VWXB0dzA

video of the same shit, different place. ya I had several places, but I won't prove it. I am a liar - eh?
https://youtu.be/UWYZaAqrNkM

right next to university of TN (remember the name) EXPERIMENTAL FARM LAKE!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTTXh6WnJxOWtDaDg
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTX2JmM1hMQmxkd1U

see the cows drinking?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTVFRVdXB4QTYxZEE

SOMATROPIN
Growth hormone (GH), also known as somatotropin (or as human growth hormone [hGH or HGH] in its human form), is a peptide hormone that stimulates growth, cell reproduction, and cell regeneration in humans and other animals. It is thus important in human development. It is a type of mitogen which is specific only to certain kinds of cells. Growth hormone is a 191-amino acid, single-chain polypeptide that is synthesized, stored, and secreted by somatotropic cells within the lateral wings of the anterior pituitary gland.

GH is a stress hormone that raises the concentration of glucose and free fatty acids.[1][2] It also stimulates production of IGF-1.

A recombinant form of hGH called somatropin (INN) is used as a prescription drug to treat children's growth disorders and adult growth hormone deficiency. In the United States, it is only available legally from pharmacies, by prescription from a doctor. In recent years in the United States, some doctors have started to prescribe growth hormone in GH-deficient older patients (but not on healthy people) to increase vitality. While legal, the efficacy and safety of this use for HGH has not been tested in a clinical trial. At this time, HGH is still considered a very complex hormone, and many of its functions are still unknown.[3]

In its role as an anabolic agent, HGH has been used by competitors in sports since at least 1982, and has been banned by the IOC and NCAA. Traditional urine analysis does not detect doping with HGH, so the ban was unenforceable until the early 2000s, when blood tests that could distinguish between natural and artificial HGH were starting to be developed. Blood tests conducted by WADA at the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, Greece targeted primarily HGH.[3] Use of the drug for performance enhancement is not currently approved by the FDA.

GH has been studied for use in raising livestock more efficiently in industrial agriculture and several efforts have been made to obtain governmental approval to use GH in livestock production. These uses have been controversial. In the United States, the only FDA-approved use of GH for livestock is the use of a cow-specific form of GH called bovine somatotropin for increasing milk production in dairy cows. Retailers are permitted to label containers of milk as produced with or without bovine somatotropin.


Ok, so it can boost adults, but also we are looking into using it for cows. Of course, this could write off why the University of TN was using them at the experimental farm lake, perhaps they were also looking into using this 'ultra rHGH'


Recombinant human growth hormone (rHGH)[edit]
In 1981, the new American corporation Genentech, after collaboration with Kabi, developed and started trials of recombinant human growth hormone (rHGH) made by a new technology (recombinant DNA) in which human genes were inserted into bacteria so that they could produce unlimited amounts of the protein. Because this was new technology, approval was deferred as lengthy safety trials continued over the next four years.

In 1985, four young adults in the U.S. having received NPA growth hormone in the 1960s developed CJD (Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease). The connection was recognized within a few months, and use of human pituitary GH rapidly ceased. Between 1985 and 2003, a total of 26 cases of CJD occurred in adults having received NPA GH before 1977 (out of 7700), comparable numbers of cases occurred around the world. By 2003 there had been no cases in people who received only GH purified by the improved 1977 methods.
Discontinuation of human cadaver growth hormone led to rapid Food and Drug Administration approval of Genentech's recombinant human growth hormone, which was introduced in 1985 as Protropin in the United States. Although this previously scarce commodity was suddenly available in "bucketfuls", the price of treatment (US$10,000–30,000 per year) was the highest at the time. Genentech justified it by the prolonged research and development investment, orphan drug status, and a pioneering post-marketing surveillance registry for tracking safety and effectiveness (National Cooperative Growth Study).

So there were several reasons to apprentice as a mortician. SEVERAL REASONS. MAKE YOU STRONG hahahahaha


When I was 17 - I 'woke up' doing something. totally freaked me out. Notice the narrative, and also that I was on SOMATROPIN. Think I had any trouble other this? No - but it provided them with better 'plausible' deniability in the future.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTbUJpLUJpdV9QUFE


then next time, it go real bad for me - I wake up in trauma unit, no memory of previous event
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B26i5S7plMOTekYzV0VlS1IwbUE

not from car wreck - from - yes, you guess it - CIA. to be specific - ECT ElectroConvulsiveTreatment.

My Security Clearance had been downgraded, but they did not wish to terminate me fully. So they perform ECT to wipe recent memory after debriefing, and set up fake crash. This happen. Fuck you if you say no.

OK??

I've posted about the children. The video, - the MK ultra files in wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol - it speaks of children. The 'giftedchildquarterly' with the LSD for the gifted children. The eagle forum, with the Monroe Institute/Silva Method programs... You can look into, and the thousand of people like me at survivorship.org, and smart, and CAR, and the others, or not. I do not care that much.

I figure, due to my language, I have violated rules? Yes?

Perhaps they permit me to continue, perhaps they ban me. Either way, FUCK YOU

[Apoceclipse]

what have you say about the video of the lady? huh? or you couldn't be bothered?

It's the attitude that gets you nowhere.

For your info, I've seen these testimonies before - long before you posted the same video all ready on this thread - and if you noticed, these are the same testimonies and claims about MKUltra that were related to the Church Committee I mentioned earlier.

So then, you think I am a liar? Or for some reason you argue? Obviously I have attitude and argue, I am in distress and upset! What do you expect

I once in a while reach out, and it always sucks. To colleagues, it cracks them up, I am sure. We do not speak of it, but I am sure they have heard.

You think this is for real? or no? I told you, I am not trying to prove - this is internet

[Apoceclipse]

oh shit I forgot, so the UNIVERSITY OF TN - had the cows for the SOMATROPIN.

Guess what else they have:

BODY FARM:
A body farm is a research facility where decomposition can be studied in a variety of settings. The aim is to gain a better understanding of the decomposition process, permitting the development of techniques for extracting information (such as the timing and circumstances of death) from human remains. Body farm research is particularly forensic anthropology and related disciplines, and has applications in the fields of law enforcement and forensic science. Six such facilities exist in the United States, with the research facility operated by Texas State University at Freeman Ranch being the largest, at seven acres.
University of Tennessee

The original "Body Farm" is the University of Tennessee Anthropological Research Facility located a few miles from downtown on Alcoa Highway in Knoxville, Tennessee, behind the University of Tennessee Medical Center. It was first started in late 1981 by anthropologist Dr. William M. Bass as a facility for the study of the decomposition of human remains. Dr. Bass became head of the university's anthropology department in 1971, and as official state forensic anthropologist for Tennessee he was frequently consulted in police cases involving decomposed human remains. Since no facilities existed that specifically studied decomposition, in 1981 he opened the department's first body farm.[1]

It consists of a 2.5-acre (10,000 m2) wooded plot, surrounded by a razor wire fence. At any one time there will be a number of bodies placed in different settings throughout the facility and left to decompose. The bodies are exposed in a number of ways in order to provide insights into decomposition under varying conditions. observations and records of the decomposition process are kept, including the sequence and speed of decomposition and the effects of insect activity. The human decomposition stages that are studied begin with the fresh stage, then the bloat stage, then decay, and finally the dry stage.[2]

Over 100 bodies are donated to the facility every year. Some individuals pre-register before their death, and others are donated by their families or by a medical examiner. 60% of donations are made by family members of individuals who were not pre-registered with the facility. Over 1300 people have chosen to pre-register themselves.[3] Perhaps the most famous person to donate his body for study was the anthropologist Grover Krantz, as described by his colleague David Hunt at the Smithsonian.[4]

The University of Tennessee Body Farm is also used in the training of law enforcement officers in scene-of-crime skills and techniques.[5]

ok ok - full circle - with the mortician shit - university of TN obviously has CIA embedded into it, like a lot of places - all the water supply sources, etc - everywhere - I mean - thats the job of national security, right?