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: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 26 February, 2021, 06:50:38 PM
My wife Edie Nugent and I have been meaning to read through the whole of The Adventures of Nikolai Dante from beginning to end. So we decided not only to do that now, but also record it as a Podcast. Because social isolation for 12 months makes you do ... possibly regrettable things. So if you're interested in me recounting all the nitty-gritty details that I remember poorly from 20 odd years ago, coupled with a progressive American take, then this is the PODCAST FOR YOU!
If you want to read along but don't have all the issues in question, then these (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/graphic-novels/nikolai-dante) nice people will sell you them for a reasonable price
We're releasing it as a special sneak preview exclusively for this message board, with not one ,but TWO episodes of the Podcast online for your amusement. Please bear in mind that we're new at this , so there are likely to be some issues that we haven't ironed out yet. Feedback is welcome. Here or on Twitter @podTGDR (https://twitter.com/PodTgdr) .

Episode 1 : The Adventures of Nikolai Dante (https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast/2021/2/19/tgdr-ep-1-the-adventures-of-nikolai-dante?fbclid=IwAR2A6qwcbWhEUw4eNzlz7wcE0xvFJyA7DuObET1BFIyHQnlBFqd48N9XC0M)
Episode 2 : The Romanov Dynasty (https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast/2021/2/24/ep2-the-romanov-dynasty)
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/1613838499485-BU24L8CUZBBB5PLWSIIS/BigBanner-Ep1.jpg?format=750w&content-type=image%2Fjpeg)
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: Colin YNWA 26 February, 2021, 06:54:43 PM
Wow - that sounds fantastic. Thanks for flagging this - a defo listen...
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: broodblik 26 February, 2021, 06:57:08 PM
I want to thank you for creating one of  my all time favourite stories. Will be listening....
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: Dandontdare 26 February, 2021, 09:16:17 PM
Excellent! I've just finished my own Dante reread courtesy of those lovely Hachette hardbacks so it's still fresh in my mind. The creator interviews and recollections in those were always a good read, so I'm looking forward to listening to this queuing up dozens of episodes of this that I really am going to listen to when I get a minute. (I feel shamed when my phone passively-aggressively tells me it's stopped downloading new episodes of my favourite podcasts because I'm clearly not interested in listening to the ones in the queue, so I don't know whyI bother, you ungrateful human.)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 26 February, 2021, 10:18:55 PM
Some odd formatting on these forum tables, but here's where you can find the stories in the original progs, and who did the art:

The Adventures of Nikolai Dante19971035-1041Simon Fraser
The Romanov Dynasty19971042-1049Simon Fraser
Russia's Greatest Love Machine19971066Chris Weston
The Gentleman Thief19971067-1070Simon Fraser
The Full Dante19971071Charlie Adlard
Moscow Duellists19971072-1075Simon Fraser
The Gulag Apocalyptic19981079-1082Henry Flint
The Trouble With Arbatous19981083Simon Fraser
Cruel Britannia19981084Simon Fraser
The Great Game19981101-1110Simon Fraser
The Octobrianna Seduction19981113-1116Andy Clarke
The Masque Of Dante1998-19991125-1127Charlie Adlard
The Moveable Feast19991128-1130Simon Fraser
Tour Of Duty19991131-1133Charlie Adlard
The Cadre Infernale19991134-1137Simon Fraser
The Hunting Party19991139-1140Andy Clarke
Fists Of Fury19991141Charlie Adlard
Last Dance On The Trans-Siberian Express19991142-1143Charlie Adlard
Cruel Seas19991148-1149John Burns
Requiem For Lost Love19991150John Burns
The Courtship Of Jena Makarov19991161-1172Simon Fraser
Love And War1999p2000Simon Fraser
The Rudinshtein Irregulars20001183-1190John Burns
Love And War20001200-1207John Burns
Battleship Potemkin20001213-1220Simon Fraser
One Last Night In The House Of Sin2000p2001John Burns
The Beguiling20011234-1235Steve Yeowell
Fiends20011236-1239Steve Yeowell
The Romanov Empire20011250-1262John Burns
The Return Of The Gentleman Thief2001-2002p2002, 1273-1274Simon Fraser
The Romanov Job20021280-1287Simon Fraser
Hell And High Water2002-2003p2003, 1322-1328John Burns
The Sea Falcon2003p2004John Burns
Agent Of Destruction2004-2005p2005,1420-1427John Burns
How Could You Believe Me When I Said I Loved You…20051428-1431John Burns
Primal Screams20051433-1436John Burns
Devil's Deal2005p2006John Burns
Usurper20061487-1489John Burns
The Depths20061500-1501John Burns
Dragon's Island20061502-1507John Burns
Sword of the Tsar20061511-1516Simon Fraser
The Road Of Bones2006p2007John Burns
Deadlier Than The Male20071518-1520John Burns
Hellfire20071526-1531Simon Fraser
The Beast of Rudinshtein20071532-1535John Burns
The Dissenter20071537John Burns
Thieves' World20071538-1544Simon Fraser
The Chaperone20071560-1564John Burns
Destiny's Child2007p2008John Burns
The Tsar's Daughter20081578-1580John Burns
Amerika20081589-1599Simon Fraser
Prisoner of the Tsar20081612-1616John Burns
Bring Me The Head of Nikolai Dante2008p2009John Burns
An Army of Thieves and Whores20091629-1634Simon Fraser
Lulu's War20091651-1654Paul Marshall
Hero of the Revolution2009-2010p2010, 1666-1675John Burns
Heroes Be Damned20101679-1684Simon Fraser
A Farewell to Arms20101685Simon Fraser
City of the Damned20101700-1704Simon Fraser
The Master of Kronstadt20101705-1708John Burns
The Memoirs of Nikolai Dante20111731Simon Fraser
Bad Blood20111732-1736Simon Fraser
The Wedding of Jena Makarov2011-2012p2012, 1764-1773Simon Fraser
The Dante Gambit20121774-1779John Burns
Sympathy for the Devil20121786-1791Simon Fraser
Devil May Care20172K40Simon Fraser
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 26 February, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
Thanks Funt. That's useful info.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 27 February, 2021, 01:37:34 AM
I'll definitely be having a listen to this.  Thanks for doing it!
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: abelardsnazz 27 February, 2021, 09:52:29 AM
What a splendid idea. I've recently enjoyed the whole thing for the first time thanks to the Hachette collection, so looking forward to these.
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: The Monarch 27 February, 2021, 03:06:49 PM
this is gonna be so much fun :)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: The Monarch 27 February, 2021, 03:12:47 PM
is it just my computer or is ep 1 not loading? ep 2 is fine and all but ep 1 isn't
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: Jim_Campbell 27 February, 2021, 03:15:57 PM
is it just my computer or is ep 1 not loading? ep 2 is fine and all but ep 1 isn't

No… I've got the same thing. :(
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: Colin YNWA 27 February, 2021, 03:21:21 PM
is it just my computer or is ep 1 not loading? ep 2 is fine and all but ep 1 isn't

Yep just about to dig in and Episode 1 isn't there. Episode 2 seems to be there okay though so I'll try that for starters...
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 27 February, 2021, 05:26:06 PM
I've re-uploaded Ep1 again and it's working now.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 27 February, 2021, 07:00:40 PM
I've re-uploaded Ep1 again and it's working now.

Good to hear 'cos I just listened to Episode 2 while doing some stuff around the house this afternoon and its a fascinating listen. It great to hear the insights from inside one of my favourite, if niot my absolute favourite 2000ad strip - and therefore one of my all time favourite comics full stop. Wonderfully detailed, Edie is fantastically insightful and obviously the conversation is relaxed and there's chemistry between the 'presenters'.

I'll defo be going back to listen to episode 1 but I'm actually looking forward to episode 3 more. For some reason I'm really REALLY intrigued to hear what one of the creators thinks when someone else takes over their part. So looking forward to how you feel about other artists work on a creation that's clearly very important to you.

Brilliant stuff and thanks for resurrecting episode 1.
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: Funt Solo 27 February, 2021, 09:42:16 PM
Listened to episode #1 and really enjoyed the easy banter. Love: space egg, chess horses. Also fascinating to hear how little feedback the creators were getting from editorial - sounds a little "The Man From Del Monte ... He Commission Another Series".

Random synchronicity: I'm Scottish and am married to an American who's younger than me. And your accent is sounding a little bit Ross & Cromarty, Simon - am I close?

The long tongues of the Imperial Seductri (sic) ... reminds me of a Kevin Bloody Wilson song called "Breathe Through My Ears (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxSeVuzWrGg)". Deffo NSFW lyrics!

Pansexual? (As a label for a reinvented Dante.) There is that thing with the bearded lady in a future episode.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 27 February, 2021, 09:54:45 PM
Ross & Cromarty is not a bad guess at all, though I've never lived there, all the rest of my immediate family do. Glad you enjoyed the Podcast. We're excited to do more. We might even do Interviews .

Si.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: WhizzBang 28 February, 2021, 12:37:27 PM
I really enjoyed this - thanks for doing it Simon and Edie. Will you be posting  here when new ones come out?
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 28 February, 2021, 02:45:08 PM
Caught up with Episode 1 while chopping down bushes this morning. Yep as good as the second and really looking forward to the episodes to come.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: davidbishop 28 February, 2021, 05:09:59 PM
Listened to episode #1 and really enjoyed the easy banter. Love: space egg, chess horses. Also fascinating to hear how little feedback the creators were getting from editorial - sounds a little "The Man From Del Monte ... He Commission Another Series".

When creators are doing great work, the best thing an editor can do is shut up and get them paid on time. #YMMV
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: Woolly 28 February, 2021, 05:12:54 PM
Listened to episode #1 and really enjoyed the easy banter. Love: space egg, chess horses. Also fascinating to hear how little feedback the creators were getting from editorial - sounds a little "The Man From Del Monte ... He Commission Another Series".

When creators are doing great work, the best thing an editor can do is shut up and get them paid on time. #YMMV

Sorry to derail the thread but: Did you commission Dante, or was it just pitched to you?
Inquiring minds, etc... ;)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 28 February, 2021, 05:46:40 PM
Listened to episode #1 and really enjoyed the easy banter. Love: space egg, chess horses. Also fascinating to hear how little feedback the creators were getting from editorial - sounds a little "The Man From Del Monte ... He Commission Another Series".

When creators are doing great work, the best thing an editor can do is shut up and get them paid on time. #YMMV

Seems reasonable. (It's not as if I can argue from either the perspective of a comic creator or a comic editor.)

There's a sense, partly from Tharg stories in the prog (where all the droids work together in a fictional Nerve Centre) and even a bit from The Mighty One (MacManus, 2016) of something of a collaborative office and pub culture, of the creative teams being literally close to each other in their working relationship. (I know that, even then, many artists mailed their work in - so that the pub part would only come to pass if people ... came to pass.)

Some commentary from Pat Mills suggests that editor-creator relations have become more professional - perhaps more transactional - over time. Probably it depends on the personalities involved to some extent, but it was interesting to hear from Simon that feedback was mostly via the Input page of the comic.

Anyway - Dante was brilliant! Definitely one of the cornerstones that hauled the comic back up onto its feet after it spent too long in Vegas and ended up destitute in a low-rent back alley.
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: davidbishop 28 February, 2021, 10:19:07 PM
Listened to episode #1 and really enjoyed the easy banter. Love: space egg, chess horses. Also fascinating to hear how little feedback the creators were getting from editorial - sounds a little "The Man From Del Monte ... He Commission Another Series".

When creators are doing great work, the best thing an editor can do is shut up and get them paid on time. #YMMV

Sorry to derail the thread but: Did you commission Dante, or was it just pitched to you?
Inquiring minds, etc... ;)

John Tomlnson got Robbie & Simon started on Dante, but it was still being developed when I became Tharg [18 Dec 1995]. IIRC I was the one who suggested the story start before the Tsar Wars, to give the creators time to flesh out the supporting cast and make readers care...
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: davidbishop 28 February, 2021, 10:19:38 PM
But all credit for the greatness of Dante goes to Robbie, Simon and later John Burns.
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: Funt Solo 28 February, 2021, 10:42:30 PM
Got inspired to update one of my charts a bit...

(https://i.imgur.com/CwDb2zp.png)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 01 March, 2021, 09:17:35 AM
Late to the party on these but I listened to episode 1 this morning. Fantastic stuff. Really insightful on some of the background and art influences and like Colin says the chemistry between Edie and Simon makes it a relaxed and fun listen - I sometimes find stuff like this so be a bit 'bantz-y' and it's like listening to someone elses annoying mates, not this!
A re-read of Dante is something I like to do every year or two so I'm definitely going to read along. Will do part 2 when I've read part 2.

Thanks for doing these!
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: JayzusB.Christ 01 March, 2021, 12:18:42 PM
More thanks from me, now that I've listened to them.  Great fun; and it sounds like you have the perfect marriage!  I always love to have these insights into the workings of the story; and finding out all the bits I missed.  (I was never sure if that seductress's tongue was supposed to be longer than normal or whether it was a bit of artistic licence.)  Always thought it was interesting how Dante suddenly upped the prog's sex factor so dramatically and suddenly - it was unashamedly filthy, even, as Edie points out, before any proper swearing was allowed.

Looking forward to more of these.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 01 March, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
But all credit for the greatness of Dante goes to Robbie, Simon and later John Burns.
David is being modest.  Dante got the support it needed from Editorial which is not something you can ever take for granted.

Si.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 01 March, 2021, 06:31:24 PM
Ok folks we're now live on Spotify (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F1O9L89S3shQOw1F82xIWCk%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0yzhCNnejXBFzxdPSGEOipypZth9A-fKaHFYvZqX1BrtFhYU_kOBUjPZA&h=AT0YDXP0NIbLvQtsAjX3_vqwgkAuT-oOP54tTF62vFnUGH0hxGAO3dOlK2Jp7V-eJ-xZr1NnuBMJyj4Gqtvnr1IJgaJaKMkewDjCRAUeiYgNJZclvpHwv4PAHLC2pce-Jdo)
And Stitcher (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.stitcher.com%2Fshow%2Fthe-great-dante-readthrough%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0dCyaYZBvJQLuGmEnSKNWkJFIQ5NP-AiVruTMAUUEJRmlRVW1y-58Eaj0&h=AT0YDXP0NIbLvQtsAjX3_vqwgkAuT-oOP54tTF62vFnUGH0hxGAO3dOlK2Jp7V-eJ-xZr1NnuBMJyj4Gqtvnr1IJgaJaKMkewDjCRAUeiYgNJZclvpHwv4PAHLC2pce-Jdo)
Apple Podcasts is coming

Thanks for your interest.

Simon.
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: The Mind of Wolfie Smith 01 March, 2021, 06:33:53 PM
excited!

pocket casts as well, please!
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 01 March, 2021, 06:42:18 PM
....and now

PocketCast (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpca.st%2Ftck7m0kn%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3aG7b_mpi5f1Qbxlchm2vxUzM1DeYA00PnpxCFoSogmsPyvx-1_OSxfLA&h=AT0YDXP0NIbLvQtsAjX3_vqwgkAuT-oOP54tTF62vFnUGH0hxGAO3dOlK2Jp7V-eJ-xZr1NnuBMJyj4Gqtvnr1IJgaJaKMkewDjCRAUeiYgNJZclvpHwv4PAHLC2pce-Jdo)
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: JayzusB.Christ 01 March, 2021, 09:45:52 PM
Great stuff. Looking forward to both of your thoughts on the next one - the first Fraserless Dante, I think, and a story that's basically an extended and graphic sex scene.
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: The Monarch 01 March, 2021, 11:28:50 PM
Hmm I am now curious why Chris used the psudonym for his Dante story now I hope its a better story than "I am not putting my name to the sex issue"
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: JayzusB.Christ 02 March, 2021, 08:28:57 AM
I thought that was weird too - we knew his real name already, for starters.  Also the name 'Spaceboy' would suggest someone with a slick and cool style like Rian Hughes, rather than the richly-detailed traditional penmanship of Chris Weston.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 02 March, 2021, 09:46:10 PM
Hey All,

So Episode 3 of the Great Dante Readthrough is now up.

https://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/3/2/ep-3-the-gentleman-thief

It's also now available on iTunes, it will show up in the search in the next couple of days. So if you are an iTunes user would you be so kind as to drop a review on there?  Those things matter to a fledgling little Podcast like ours.

We're going to try and hit a Wednesday drop day every week.
Thanks for following along. We're appreciating all the nice feedback we've been getting.

Cheers

Simon & Edie
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 02 March, 2021, 10:05:46 PM
That link dies for me, but this one is good (https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast/2021/3/2/ep-3-the-gentleman-thief).

Thanks.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 02 March, 2021, 11:49:25 PM
That link dies for me, but this one is good (https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast/2021/3/2/ep-3-the-gentleman-thief).

Thanks.

Oops! Much obliged.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: The Monarch 03 March, 2021, 03:26:18 AM
so it was because he didn't want his name in the sex prog  :lol:

some parts of it did look off at the time....I don't get it why have a sex prog then censor it that feels a wee bit silly isn't it?
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: SpaceSpinner2000 04 March, 2021, 04:51:57 AM
Nice! can't wait to check this out as part of my own podcast prog slog!
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: Barrington Boots 04 March, 2021, 12:31:28 PM
Enjoying this so much. Doing a re-read and it's great picking up little details that I'd missed and where some of the influences have come from. More than anything else, it's a really fun and interesting listen.

Dante rules. A friend of mine picked up the first Hachette collection and was so disgusted with Dante as a hero he sent the book back to Hachette with a stern note. I still, to this day, cannot account for this act of absolute madness.

: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 04 March, 2021, 01:29:48 PM
Enjoying this so much. Doing a re-read and it's great picking up little details that I'd missed and where some of the influences have come from. More than anything else, it's a really fun and interesting listen.

Dante rules. A friend of mine picked up the first Hachette collection and was so disgusted with Dante as a hero he sent the book back to Hachette with a stern note. I still, to this day, cannot account for this act of absolute madness.

Loving the podcast too.  All the bits I missed.

Now, I must say I do understand where your mate was coming from - Whereas the return and note was a bit much, I thought Dante was a bit of a dick in the early days too.  While the story was excellent from the start, I found the character a narcissistic smart-arse whose witticisms I didn't find funny, charming or loveable at all; even Edie is a bit saddened by some of the dick moves he made in the early days.

He grew on me as a character as he got older and more mature; in fact I liked him .
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 04 March, 2021, 01:41:22 PM
Rereading it now I'm kind of impressed just how obnoxious Dante was at the start. It's not until Rhudinstein that he actually behaves in any way decently.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 04 March, 2021, 02:05:28 PM
Very true, Dante is a bellend in the early stuff.
It was more the overreaction, but perhaps I should ask him just how far he read, he may not have even got to Rhudinstein.
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: Bad Andy 04 March, 2021, 02:25:01 PM
I only ever got halfway through the original run because of life, but I've been saving my Hachette collection to do a full run through.

This is the perfect reason!

Also have some Dante artwork from The Romanov Dynasty Part 2 on my wall.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 04 March, 2021, 03:38:46 PM
Dante in any way based on Lord Flasheart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKfbSHW9uGA)?
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 04 March, 2021, 04:40:46 PM
Aw, man, I miss Rik Mayall. Subtle as a chainsaw, but he made it work.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Dark Jimbo 04 March, 2021, 05:03:29 PM
Isn't Dante meant to be a bit of a bellend early on? I think Robbie M had always planned quite the emotional journey for him.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 04 March, 2021, 07:22:31 PM
The other Simon got in on the action with a brace of Rasputin-U-Like covers supporting the launch in progs 1035 and 1039:

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/1035.jpg)
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/1039.jpg)


And Trevor Hairsine supports The Romanov Dynasty in prog 1044:

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/1044.jpg)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 04 March, 2021, 08:10:19 PM
Isn't Dante meant to be a bit of a bellend early on? I think Robbie M had always planned quite the emotional journey for him.

I get the impression he was meant to be a bit of a bellend, but in a loveable rogue kind of way - I didn't see the loveable bit at all despite the Tharg of the time telling us he was.  (No offence, BishOP!)
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: Mister Pops 04 March, 2021, 08:37:44 PM
I've always loved that cover for Prog 1039. Great depiction of the Bio-blades, plus the slightly Zappa-esque appearance seems to be the right level of lovable yet arrogant dickhead.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 04 March, 2021, 09:45:36 PM
I've always loved that cover for Prog 1039. Great depiction of the Bio-blades, plus the slightly Zappa-esque appearance seems to be the right level of lovable yet arrogant dickhead.

I've only just been turned on to Zappa (as a political voice) - and his interviews are something else. File under "does not suffer fools gladly".

---------

As for Dante, I always thought he was supposed to be incorrigible, where his joie de vivre carried him through. A little along the lines of David Tennant in Casanova (2005). He wasn't heroic, but he was better than the utter bastards above him. (And, as has been pointed out, he develops heroic traits.)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 05 March, 2021, 10:38:34 AM
Dante wouldn't really work if he wasn't a bellend.

Back to the podcasts, now I know about it I can't stop seeing those champagne bottles.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 05 March, 2021, 07:50:41 PM
I can finally reply! Hi all, this is Edie, Simon's wife and co-host.

I just wanted to say I've been loving reading all your comments and seeing the scans of the old covers too!

I'm working on adding scans of the pages we talk about in detail to the blog for those who want just a bit of a refresher on what we're talking about rather than reading along.

If you have the time, please rate us at 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and leave a review. It'll help other people find our podcasts as Apple appears to be the Tsar of podcasting. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-great-dante-readthrough/id1556077417
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: broodblik 06 March, 2021, 03:16:19 AM
Here is also a great interview with both Simon and Edie related to the podcast:

https://www.comicon.com/2021/03/05/interview-simon-fraser-and-edie-nugent-on-the-great-dante-readthrough-podcast/ (https://www.comicon.com/2021/03/05/interview-simon-fraser-and-edie-nugent-on-the-great-dante-readthrough-podcast/)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 06 March, 2021, 10:18:40 AM
I can finally reply! Hi all, this is Edie, Simon's wife and co-host.

I just wanted to say I've been loving reading all your comments and seeing the scans of the old covers too!

I'm working on adding scans of the pages we talk about in detail to the blog for those who want just a bit of a refresher on what we're talking about rather than reading along.

If you have the time, please rate us at 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and leave a review. It'll help other people find our podcasts as Apple appears to be the Tsar of podcasting. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-great-dante-readthrough/id1556077417

Hi Edie! Welcome on board, and thanks for the podcast.  The dynamic between you and Simon is just great; and it's been amazing to go back over Dante with you and see things I missed.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: jrdd 07 March, 2021, 12:19:56 PM
Thanks for putting this podcast together!  I’ve been meaning to re-read Dante for some time, so this is the perfect excuse to get started.  Looking at one or two stories per podcast seems about right, allowing time to really absorb events as well as the art and layout choices.

It’s reminded me what a great introduction to the character and his world the first two stories were, and how it started a pattern of impatient waits until his return to the prog.  I remember this really did feel like the start of a special and very different series.

Looking forward to following your podcast.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: judgeurko 09 March, 2021, 10:49:00 PM
whats the RSS Feed for this?
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 10 March, 2021, 12:07:33 AM
whats the RSS Feed for this?

Hi there! It's: https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast?format=rss
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: judgeurko 10 March, 2021, 01:44:07 PM
whats the RSS Feed for this?

Hi there! It's: https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast?format=rss
Thank you.
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: Bad Andy 10 March, 2021, 03:56:15 PM
This is a lot more forensic than I thought it would be, which is great, but I'm not sure I can slow down my readthrough to the pace of the podcast :D

Thanks for doing this - it's great.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 10 March, 2021, 04:34:55 PM
Episode 4 is up!

https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast

I've added some art to each of the blog posts on Simon's website so you can follow along some as we talk.
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: JayzusB.Christ 11 March, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
That's great, thanks Edie! That'll be my work-listen for today.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 11 March, 2021, 11:44:53 AM
Episode 4 is up!

https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast

I've added some art to each of the blog posts on Simon's website so you can follow along some as we talk.

I always thought it was a bit odd that he was boozing with Arkady, but he is young so just shrugged it off.

Maybe Andreas was already barred from that region and used his Crest to take over Arkady's body (as we know it's compatible but vulnerable without his own Crest).

In fact perhaps Andreas offered to 'lend' his crest to Arkady to cheer him up, only to use it to double cross him and joyride his body on a three day bender. 



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: Barrington Boots 11 March, 2021, 02:10:00 PM
In these lockdown times, this is becoming a highlight of my week.
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: Illyana 17 March, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
Hello Friends! Happy St. Patrick's Day. Is that a thing in Britain? It sure is here in America. We're weird about day drinking here so St. Patrick's Day is when we let ourselves go. It's also Wednesday so that means a new episode of The Great Dante Readthrough.

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/3/17/ep-5-the-gulag-apocalyptic

if that doesn't work for some reason (we had trouble with it last week) try this:

https://simon-fraser-asa6.squarespace.com/tgdrpodcast

if you like what we're doing, make sure to subscribe and tell a friend who might be interested in 2000AD content.
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: JayzusB.Christ 17 March, 2021, 02:20:54 PM
Thanks, Edie!  Happy Paddy's Day* - it's definitely a thing here in Ireland  ;).  Not so much this year, of course, but I have a day off. 

Looking forward to the newest podcast - I'll save it for work tomorrow, I think. 

*Nobody this side of the Atlantic calls it 'Patty's'  :P
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 17 March, 2021, 03:05:56 PM
Thanks, Edie!  Happy Paddy's Day* - it's definitely a thing here in Ireland  ;).  Not so much this year, of course, but I have a day off. 

Looking forward to the newest podcast - I'll save it for work tomorrow, I think. 

*Nobody this side of the Atlantic calls it 'Patty's'  :P

This Irish American would NEVER call it "Patty's" day. For SHAME! My people hail from County Cork, near Skibbereen  :D Thanks for listening, I hope you enjoy.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 17 March, 2021, 04:15:15 PM
Aha! My apologies  :)  Will definitely keep listening; thanks for doing them!
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: Illyana 17 March, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
Aha! My apologies  :)  Will definitely keep listening; thanks for doing them!


No need for apologies at all! Just making sure you knew that this Nugent isn't making her ancestors roll in their graves :)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 17 March, 2021, 05:06:43 PM
Aha! My apologies  :)  Will definitely keep listening; thanks for doing them!


No need for apologies at all! Just making sure you knew that this Nugent isn't making her ancestors roll in their graves :)

😀 Fair play, should have guessed from the surname you were one of our own
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 24 March, 2021, 01:12:16 PM
New episode is up!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/3/23/ryqh9cffpuv1fwo9ugjp1rlgefp68s

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/t/605aa3dd79b1553ea8026228/1616553104916/BigBanner-Ep6+%281%29.jpg?format=750w)

Simon and Edie readthrough “The Trouble with Arbatovs” and “Cruel Britannia” and discuss: natural Arbatov selection, Shooty McGunwagons, regal rings, attack hot tubs, and the new British national anthem.




: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 24 March, 2021, 01:27:38 PM
Hold on, HHHOOOOLLLLLDDDDD ON - when did Episode 5 come out... when did this become another Podcast I'm behind on.

Damnit... still lots of ironing to do this weekend. Ironing is good podcast time...
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 24 March, 2021, 01:46:18 PM
Hold on, HHHOOOOLLLLLDDDDD ON - when did Episode 5 come out... when did this become another Podcast I'm behind on.

Damnit... still lots of ironing to do this weekend. Ironing is good podcast time...

You missed my post above from last week, we come out on Wednesdays. And don't worry about being behind. We're here for you when you have time.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 25 March, 2021, 10:43:01 PM
Well, that was today's work listen. Great stuff as usual. Aiso, glad I'm not alone in thinking that Cruel Britannia was a dark story that showed a very nasty side to Dante's character! Rogue he may be, but there was nothing lovable about sexually harassing a woman by way of framing her and getting her locked up.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Dark Jimbo 26 March, 2021, 01:41:00 PM
Rogue he may be, but there was nothing lovable about sexually harassing a woman by way of framing her and getting her locked up.

Hey, the 2670s were a different time.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 26 March, 2021, 03:39:26 PM
Rogue he may be, but there was nothing lovable about sexually harassing a woman by way of framing her and getting her locked up.

Hey, the 2670s were a different time.

Headline: Dante cancelled.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 26 March, 2021, 07:39:50 PM
Ah, I'd never cancel Dante. The early days of it were a bit like Preacher for me - the main character is a bellend but the story is great fun. (The difference being that Garth Ennis seemed to think Jesse was an absolute paragon of virtue rather than a mouthy, smartarsed twat.)
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 27 March, 2021, 11:47:13 AM
Caught up with 5 and its great. I've always been interested with the idea of something so 'owned' by Simon (if that's the right phrase?) but with so many artists contributing to its formative years. So hearing that Simon was asked to design The Huntsman is cool.

I do wonder how he feels going back and using designs by others in a strip that's his, so his insights into Henry's work are great to hear.

This podcast remains a delight.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 31 March, 2021, 06:05:11 PM
Thanks so much for listening so far. It's Wednesday so it's time for the next episode! We love reading your comments and discussions, it's our own little comic book club.

Episode 7: The Great Game Part 1

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/3/31/m6djsvvmcunxtakharji46tg9al4ln

We've made it to the great game folks!

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/1617209687577-3XMO5SC9TV4X3OG0J6RA/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kL1-xe0xo3KX0zArA5iCWRRZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZamWLI2zvYWH8K3-s_4yszcp2ryTI0HqTOaaUohrI8PIAYnBRw7tBBQsSCIlJkRFiGfg0cScZgGwx3G2SsX64aEKMshLAGzx4R3EDFOm1kBS/BigBanner-Ep7.jpg?format=750w)
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: sheridan 31 March, 2021, 06:21:07 PM
Enjoying this so much. Doing a re-read and it's great picking up little details that I'd missed and where some of the influences have come from. More than anything else, it's a really fun and interesting listen.

Dante rules. A friend of mine picked up the first Hachette collection and was so disgusted with Dante as a hero he sent the book back to Hachette with a stern note. I still, to this day, cannot account for this act of absolute madness.


There's some quote that I can't find at the moment, but it's something along the lines of any creation that hasn't caused somebody to be upset at it probably didn't have much point in the first place...
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: The Monarch 31 March, 2021, 06:22:31 PM
Ah the great game the first Dante story where I was like "yup i'm in this for the long haul"
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: sheridan 31 March, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
This Irish American would NEVER call it "Patty's" day. For SHAME! My people hail from County Cork, near Skibbereen  Thanks for listening, I hope you enjoy.

Cool - different bits of my family come from different regions, but one of those within living memory is from Cork (the other major one is from Tipperary). 
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: sheridan 31 March, 2021, 06:28:48 PM
p.s. after having it in a tab for a few weeks I finally got around to listening to it while having the comics in front of me - fantastic stuff and wonderful to hear such a supportive marriage!

The talk about omnisexuality made me think Captain Jack Harkness...
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 31 March, 2021, 06:33:40 PM
There's some quote that I can't find at the moment, but it's something along the lines of any creation that hasn't caused somebody to be upset at it probably didn't have much point in the first place...

Interestingly, "T.B. Grover" makes this exact point in the JD Annual (1983), to a perpetually nervous Burt:

Readers criticise because they care. It gives me a sort of warm glow in my Function Box to know that someone cares enough about my work to take exception to it.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 01 April, 2021, 05:39:50 PM
Ah the great game the first Dante story where I was like "yup i'm in this for the long haul"

Yeah much as I love the early stuff, this however is the point when everything just clicks. You get that Dante is a dick, but he's a dick whose going to learn and it becomes clear you are going to see what he goes through to learn and grow and it ain't going to be easy.

This story is one of my all time favourites. I recently bought a page from this story from the fantastic Wake Carter which shows Simon at his best. His design of Valentin when he goes all bioware is just wonderful. A glorious demonic carnival barker, a twisted ringmaster - just wonderful stuff. I'm chuffed you are taking the time to go through it with the attention it deserves and the thoughts and insights from both perspectives are fantastic to hear.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 06 April, 2021, 10:27:36 PM
Hey y'all. Looking for some feedback on a sound issue I'm hearing but Simon isn't. If you listen to this podcast on your phone, using headphones, do you (like me) turn down the volume on the opening so it's not too loud? Then, when Simon comes on shortly after to read you the prog numbers & we start chatting, you find you have to turn the volume all the way back up to hear us comfortably?

Let me know. Thanks!
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: sheridan 06 April, 2021, 11:03:59 PM
Hey y'all. Looking for some feedback on a sound issue I'm hearing but Simon isn't. If you listen to this podcast on your phone, using headphones, do you (like me) turn down the volume on the opening so it's not too loud? Then, when Simon comes on shortly after to read you the prog numbers & we start chatting, you find you have to turn the volume all the way back up to hear us comfortably?

Let me know. Thanks!

I'm listening on computer speakers and find the intro with music much too loud (so have to turn the volume down), the spoken intro just right and then the actual content itself too quiet (though is audible when I turn up the volume - but then I have to remember to turn the volume down again when I watch or listen to anything else afterwards).

Really appreciate the work you're both putting in!
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: Barrington Boots 06 April, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
I second that: the volume on the opening music is cat-terrifyingly loud so I normally turn it down for that (as my cat flees in terror) and then up again when the discussion begins as it's a little quiet.

It's not really detrimental to the Podcast though imo.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 07 April, 2021, 04:09:47 AM
Thirded: opening sound intro is teeth-gratingly LOUD AS F*CK then everything's okay after that. I just assumed the podcast wanted to slap us around a bit aurally because it was totally METAL, before letting us relax with your collectively dulcet tones.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 07 April, 2021, 10:22:09 AM
I will say that the music, loud as it is, would be perfect for a Dante movie.  Thanks for doing these, Edie and Simon, they're really enjoyable and I'm noticing things I never did before - the willy-shaped stage being one example, and the character based on Stephen Fry.  Great stuff!
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Dark Jimbo 07 April, 2021, 10:54:38 AM

I... find the intro with music much too loud (so have to turn the volume down), the spoken intro just right and then the actual content itself too quiet (though is audible when I turn up the volume)

Me too.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 07 April, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
Thank you all for your feedback! And for helping me win a debate with my husband! I'll love you forever for that...

It's Wednesday, so that means NEW EPISODE!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/4/6/ep-8-the-great-game-part-2

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/1617749665399-ZYB10LW9R3AUNXHWUPGI/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kL1-xe0xo3KX0zArA5iCWRRZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZamWLI2zvYWH8K3-s_4yszcp2ryTI0HqTOaaUohrI8PIAYnBRw7tBBQsSCIlJkRFiGfg0cScZgGwx3G2SsX64aEKMshLAGzx4R3EDFOm1kBS/BigBanner-Ep8+%281%29.jpg?format=750w)

Grab a glass of your special beverage of choice, and help us toast the end of this series-defining story arc.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 14 April, 2021, 03:07:53 PM
It's Wednesday and that means a new episode of The Great Dante Readthrough! The next two episodes were taped while Simon and I were recovering from our second vaccine shot (I had it particularly bad) so we're a little spicier here  ::)

We also award some no-prizes in this episode, so be sure to tune in!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/4/14/ep-9-the-octobriana-seduction

[imghttps://static1.squarespace.com/static/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/t/6076f448e0779635ef7b08a5/1618408538366/BigBanner-Ep9.jpg[/img]
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 14 April, 2021, 03:41:30 PM
And if I'd posted the image properly, it would look like this:

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/t/6076f448e0779635ef7b08a5/1618408538366/BigBanner-Ep9.jpg?format=750w)

It's Wednesday and that means a new episode of The Great Dante Readthrough! The next two episodes were taped while Simon and I were recovering from our second vaccine shot (I had it particularly bad) so we're a little spicier here  ::)

We also award some no-prizes in this episode, so be sure to tune in!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/4/14/ep-9-the-octobriana-seduction

[imghttps://static1.squarespace.com/static/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/t/6076f448e0779635ef7b08a5/1618408538366/BigBanner-Ep9.jpg[/img]

: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Dandontdare 14 April, 2021, 03:43:25 PM
Hey y'all. Looking for some feedback on a sound issue I'm hearing but Simon isn't. If you listen to this podcast on your phone, using headphones, do you (like me) turn down the volume on the opening so it's not too loud? Then, when Simon comes on shortly after to read you the prog numbers & we start chatting, you find you have to turn the volume all the way back up to hear us comfortably?

Let me know. Thanks!

Only listened to one and a half eps so far, but my issue is more with the difference in volume between the two of you. I can either understand Simon and have my earballs blasted by Edie, or I can comfortably listen to Edie and most of Simon's comments are lost to the traffic noise.

Thoroughly enjoying what I've heard so far though!
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Illyana 14 April, 2021, 03:53:44 PM
Hey there! We've hopefully fixed some of the sounds issues in this most recent episode. Let us know.

Hey y'all. Looking for some feedback on a sound issue I'm hearing but Simon isn't. If you listen to this podcast on your phone, using headphones, do you (like me) turn down the volume on the opening so it's not too loud? Then, when Simon comes on shortly after to read you the prog numbers & we start chatting, you find you have to turn the volume all the way back up to hear us comfortably?

Let me know. Thanks!

Only listened to one and a half eps so far, but my issue is more with the difference in volume between the two of you. I can either understand Simon and have my earballs blasted by Edie, or I can comfortably listen to Edie and most of Simon's comments are lost to the traffic noise.

Thoroughly enjoying what I've heard so far though!
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: sheridan 14 April, 2021, 09:45:15 PM
Hey there! We've hopefully fixed some of the sounds issues in this most recent episode. Let us know.

In the grand tradition of podcasts the first few episodes will usually by beset by technical difficulties while the people producing learn to use the equipment and figure out what works and what doesn't.  I don't think there's a long-running podcast (or youtube channel) which doesn't fit this pattern.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 14 April, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Talking of production difficulties: WELCOME TO YOUR DOOM!! (https://old.homestarrunner.com/sbsite/)

...said a villain to Dante once, probably*.


*pathetic attempt to remain remotely on topic.
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: The Legendary Shark 15 April, 2021, 12:55:07 AM
Can somebody please insert the missing "d" into this topic title? It's chaffing against my pedantry circuit...



+++Bolt note -- Done. I was wondering what was wrong with that title for weeks+++

: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 15 April, 2021, 01:06:46 AM
"chafing"
: Re: The Great Dante Reathrough Podcast
: The Legendary Shark 15 April, 2021, 01:22:34 AM

I'll set 'em up, you knock 'em down...

: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 15 April, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
Just catching up on a couple of weeks worth of these. Such a good listen and always a joy to reread Dante, and to get Edie and Simon's thoughts to highlight things I'd not paid special attention to before. I've often thought Eloise dying was a terrible shame: she is a established as very cool character in a very short time, she's visually striking, and she's a complete badass. One thing that never sat quite right with me about the series overall was how he has a couple of lady loves (as opposed to all his flings) who tragically but conviently die, get a bit of mourning but essentially leave Dante a free run at Jena at the end. I'd totally have read a comic about Eloise and Lauren, having dropped Dante going off having adventures together, being swashbuckling and occasionally making disparaging comments about 'Dikolai'

But yeah, the Great Game is just immense - Dante and Jena really are their best selves to date in this. I'm struck by just how much sheer story happens in ten episodes: it's an absolute blast from start to finish, and it looks brilliant. Like a couple of guys here I own a page of the story and I'm dead proud that I do. The Octobriana character stuff I had literally no idea about previously, so i've learned something too. Plus always good to hear references to Dune and Batroc the Leaper. And there are shoutouts to a couple of members of this board, plus a legit noprize!

My favourite newly noticed thing, even more so than all the phallic bits, is spotting Valentine mugging off in the background whilst Kvass is making his speech in the final part. What a derpy git.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: The Legendary Shark 15 April, 2021, 04:05:45 PM

Thanks, Bolt - my pedantry circuit is now operating property.

(Go for it, F.S.!)

: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 15 April, 2021, 06:08:10 PM
"circus"
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Magnetica 15 April, 2021, 06:46:44 PM
Really late the party - only discovered this thread today, but it’s great and great timing as I have been meaning to pick up the Dante re-read I started a couple of years back and have just bought the complete set of trades in the half price digital sale. Given that, I have decided to go all the way back to the beginning again.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 18 April, 2021, 11:57:00 PM
Ha. Just catching up with episode 9 to find out I've won a no-prize! Go me.

Given I haven't read the whole epic yet (think I got to the start of the pirate arc) I hope I haven't spoilered myself!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 19 April, 2021, 03:27:08 AM
Message us your email address and what name you'd like on the no prize!

Ha. Just catching up with episode 9 to find out I've won a no-prize! Go me.

Given I haven't read the whole epic yet (think I got to the start of the pirate arc) I hope I haven't spoilered myself!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 19 April, 2021, 06:49:21 AM
Caught up while away - arh the joy of going away for a week! And the podcast continues to be a delight. I'd seen Simon's Facebook post mentioning the Kickstarter for Octobriana but knew nothing about the character so this gave a fantastic insight into what all that's going on about. I'm also interested in how Simon engaged with the strip and feed ideas in even when not doing the art. I'll be fascinated to hear of occasions when Simon specifically had ideas he wanted to draw them and whether the relationships and logistics in producing the series meant this was possible?

The other bit about the Octobriana story is Andy Clarke's art - he's one of the artists we got to see develop in front of our eyes in the Prog. Here it is raw and fiddly and as I recall we only get one more with 'The Hunting Party' (is it - the one with 'Slaine' and 'Sinister Dexter' in) it would have been fantastic to see the artist he became, even a year or so later when he worked on Sinister Dexter and had become and astonishing artist.

Oh and that final scene with Viktor sitting on the bed - for me its a shame that he burped - I mean its a funny moment, but did rather defuse the moment which was pretty terrifying otherwise. Viktor was always a favourite of mine. His silence gave him a real presense perversely.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 19 April, 2021, 09:53:41 PM
My No Prize cheered me up no end today!

Am I allowed to share it? Not sure I’ve secured my NFT rights.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 21 April, 2021, 07:13:38 PM
My No Prize cheered me up no end today!

Am I allowed to share it? Not sure I’ve secured my NFT rights.

Of course you should share it! You won it!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 21 April, 2021, 07:17:27 PM
It's Wednesday and we're more shambolic than usual (one of my favorite words Simon uses often) so the podcast just went up!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/4/21/ep-10-the-movable-masque-feast

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/1619028138759-OZUUPWKU7YMHWAPMITXH/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kL1-xe0xo3KX0zArA5iCWRRZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZamWLI2zvYWH8K3-s_4yszcp2ryTI0HqTOaaUohrI8PIAYnBRw7tBBQsSCIlJkRFiGfg0cScZgGwx3G2SsX64aEKMshLAGzx4R3EDFOm1kBS/BigBanner-Ep10.jpg?format=750w)

My apologies that I'm so damn chatty in this one. I was still delirious from my second vaccine shot. I have some ideas on how to organize my summaries better going forward so...enjoy the chaos here (I hope) and we'll rein me in better next ep.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 22 April, 2021, 10:14:55 AM
I really liked the chatty and relaxed tone on this one!

Also what do we have to do to get Romanov boxer shorts? I'm pretty sure everyone on the board would buy a pair.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: sheridan 22 April, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
Just listening to episode 4 - the airship has "титаник" in Russian - that translates to "Titanic" :)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: sheridan 22 April, 2021, 09:59:30 PM
Here's a link to The Sheldrick Trust (https://www.sheldrickwildlifetrust.org/), also mentioned in Episode 4.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 23 April, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
This made me unexpectedly happy

(https://i.imgur.com/4vzroMN.jpg)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 23 April, 2021, 03:23:23 PM
Bojemoi!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 23 April, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
That's a glorious prize for a No Prize!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bolt-01 25 April, 2021, 04:07:26 PM
Superb!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 25 April, 2021, 04:46:10 PM
Hey folks! Putting the call out for listener questions! Anything you've wanted to ask Simon Fraser​​ or, heck, even me! ASAP would be great ❤️
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 25 April, 2021, 05:19:35 PM
We recently got a collection of Dante in hardcover via the Hachette collection and while its clearly part of a wider collection as a fan its a wonderful thing to have BUT what would be your ideal way for Dante to be presented? Or aren't you fussed, happy its all easily accessible via digital and don't worry about such things?

When you are asked to draw Dante by fans is it a sigh, as its like playing your greatest hits* again and again, or do you love the fact that its still so loved and enjoy returning to him and his world?

*This is based on the assumption that you consider Dante your greatest hit - which is me projecting, due to my own biase. Do you consider it your greatest work?

Finally (for now) you clearly travelled a lot while working on Dante, how do you think that influenced what we saw and which places you've lived do you think have had the greatest impact on your work generally?

Finally one for Edie. Is it odd being married to someone who has such a specific aspect to their fame? When you get middle aged, balding men past their prime (I speak for myself!) gushing and getting all star struck over Simon is that weird? You've also mentioned your a writer, where might we read your work?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 25 April, 2021, 06:33:02 PM
Why the long break (2003-2005) from art duties? Up until that point it was multi-artist and became mostly a two-hander with you and John Burns, but there's a long non-Fraser bit there where it looked like (from an ignorant reader's perspective) you were off the project.

Some thrills do spin-offs - especially popular ones. Given that Dante became one of the main cornerstones of the comic (part of the triumvirate of Dredd, Sin Dex & Dante that turned the quality of the weekly around from the mid-90s doldrums) and has such a large collection of compelling support acts, I'm surprised we haven't seen any side-thrills. Have spin-offs been mooted? Would you enjoy revisiting that world?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 25 April, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
Art process question for Simon - for Dante you're always (I think) listed alongside a colourist. For your covers, there's no colourist listed. Do you colour the covers?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: broodblik 25 April, 2021, 07:38:26 PM
I have only one question would Simon like to do another series in the world of Dante (and I am no talking about bringing Nikolai back)? If the case whom would Simon like to write it or will he take on the pen as well?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: sheridan 25 April, 2021, 08:26:37 PM
One for Edie / both of you - you're perfectly welcome to keep your private lives to yourselves of course, but how did you meet?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 25 April, 2021, 10:01:04 PM
sheridan, broodbilk and Funt Solo: your questions have been logged for a future episode! I like listener questions, and we'll ask those the next time we have extra minutes at the end.

Thank you all so much!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 25 April, 2021, 10:17:20 PM
One for Edie / both of you - you're perfectly welcome to keep your private lives to yourselves of course, but how did you meet?

Obviously in a ballroom with at least one of them swinging from a chandelier. Also: champagne.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: sheridan 25 April, 2021, 10:39:14 PM
One for Edie / both of you - you're perfectly welcome to keep your private lives to yourselves of course, but how did you meet?

Obviously in a ballroom with at least one of them swinging from a chandelier. Also: champagne.

And which of you was wearing the longest beard? ;-)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 26 April, 2021, 09:09:50 AM
Some good questions there. I'd ask - How do you guys feel about the way Dante ended? I've always felt it's reasonably open ending was a bit of a shame. Although perhaps that's one for much later in the podcast.
Alternately: who is your favourite character in the series, and why is it not Dante himself?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 26 April, 2021, 04:23:14 PM
One for Edie / both of you - you're perfectly welcome to keep your private lives to yourselves of course, but how did you meet?

This is a very sweet question we do not mind answering, and likely will when we get to the 40th anniversary issue for reasons that may not be obvious to all. In our next episode, I mention why.

Also that will likely be one of our final podcast episodes so anyone who listens that far will likely be kind about us yammering on about ourselves.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 28 April, 2021, 01:43:13 PM
It's new podcast Wednesday! Now, with listener questions!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/4/27/ep-11-tour-of-duty

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: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 28 April, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
Thanks for answering my Q about the break in art duties, Simon - I understand life happened. Well, not to be too gushy, but you were missed by this reader and it was great to see you back.

I always felt that you and John Burns complemented each other well and both provided great, epic art for the series - so it wasn't that I was sad to see Burns doing the work - just that I always wanted you both to be taking turns.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 29 April, 2021, 11:49:13 AM
Fun listen as ever. This is Dante's lowest point at the start of Tour of Duty, I think. Not only is he an ass but he's an idiot to not think things would go badly.
Really enjoyed the question segment too, some real insight there - especially the stuff about how Simon draws women as realistic characters. It's nice to know Simon's so proud of his achievements on Dante.

So, why is the Imperial Palace gold? I reckon it's been temporarily gilded with the entire wealth of a noble house, or other hapless bunch of goons, who just got crushed by the Tsar. The gold is to be later scraped off and chucked into space or something, because the Tsar is a bellend and likes to make a point.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 29 April, 2021, 01:17:17 PM
Finished listening to the latest and thanks you for answering my questions, lovely get insight into the things I ponder as I listen so its really appreciate... got new one at the end of this - you got me started don't blame me! Oh and I'm past my prime, I remember my prime and I couldn't survive it now so while I am past it I'm relieved I am and happy I had it, it was a fun prime!

 I've read the Carrie Fisher article and have to assume it was very dusty in the room when I did...ahem... wonderful piece.

Episode as fun as normal and very much looking forward to the next one as Lulu is a favourite of mine.

As for the No Prize I was going for a similar tack as Barrington Boots suggesting it Sci-Fi Future Easter and it is indeed meant to be a Faberge Egg. The Tsar did it temporarily to celebrate but since war was closing also as sign of the endless resources he had at his disposal.

But since Barrington get there first I'll go with my alternative its actually Bubo (the mechanical owl from Clash of the Titans) overlooking a scale model of St Petersburg.

Oh and finally one question I forgot. I seem to recall Robbie Morrison said that he wished he'd done Dante without the sci-fi trappings (apologise if I'm miss remembering there see previous comment about being past my prime) - how does Simon feel that would change the story and would it have worked as well?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 29 April, 2021, 02:14:05 PM
As for the No Prize I was going for a similar tack as Barrington Boots suggesting it Sci-Fi Future Easter and it is indeed meant to be a Faberge Egg. The Tsar did it temporarily to celebrate but since war was closing also as sign of the endless resources he had at his disposal.

I think your idea is a lot more cheerful than mine Colin!
Plus Bubo reference  :thumbsup:
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: jrdd 29 April, 2021, 08:09:46 PM
Really enjoying the podcast, and re-reading a Dante story every week.  With all the talk of wine merchants in this week’s Tour of Duty, I’m thinking I’m going to have to upgrade my official podcast drink from a cup of tea to something a little more appropriate…

(https://i.imgur.com/5WsFC53.png)

http://www.hardyswines.com/ukir/wines/range/crest/crest-chardonnay/ (http://www.hardyswines.com/ukir/wines/range/crest/crest-chardonnay/)

 :D
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 30 April, 2021, 10:36:22 AM
I've just finished The Romanov Empire and a quick question to the Pod - do we think John Burns misunderstood Andreas' crest powers? When he draws him, it's like a sub-par Dante bio-blades. Or was there a conscious decision by Robbie to de-power him a little?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 30 April, 2021, 10:05:49 PM
Feck, I'd forgotten it was that time of week. Perfect timing - have to tidy my living room (or saloon, if you want to use the technical boat term) and this podcast always makes boring tasks fun.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 04 May, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
I've read two Italian Job jokes in pretty quick succession. First with Spatchcock and Flintlock and then not long afterwards with Dante and the Countess.

I take it Robbie was a fan :D
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 05 May, 2021, 02:42:20 PM
New Podcast Wednesday! We've made it to The Cadre Infernale!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/5/4/ep-12-the-cadre-infernale

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/t/6091d5de9cd4f05230b51ffb/1620170210409/BigBanner-Ep12.jpg?format=750w)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: sheridan 06 May, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
12?  But I'm only on episode...  Well, never mind which episode I'm on.  Unlike some other podcasts, I just can't just put it on in the background - I have to have Dante open and in front of me while I listen to you two talk about it, which means actually making sure I have time set aside to concentrate.  Nobody should be expected to concentrate on one thing for more than ten minutes.  What is this, the twentieth century?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: sheridan 06 May, 2021, 05:45:15 PM
p.s. I'll catch up eventually!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 12 May, 2021, 02:40:08 PM
New Podcast Wednesday! This one is FRESH. We just recorded it last night.

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/5/11/ep-13-the-hunting-party

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: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 12 May, 2021, 05:09:59 PM
Listened to this already because my job allows that sort of thing. This is imo the weakest Dante story but the podcast is as great as ever, with a lovely shout out to Bolt from Simon and Evie.


No Romanov boxers - boo
No-prize - yay!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 13 May, 2021, 04:53:57 PM
Only recently read it but can barely remember it.  Unless its the one about Jocasta and Nikolai's dad being siblings? Ugh
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 14 May, 2021, 09:49:58 PM
Oh wow - I got a No Prize - I'm excited to an extent that just isn't respectable... I don't get out as much as I used to.

The pressure is on with my name BUT I do have another question for Simon. Any more Lilly MacKenzie planned? That was good comics!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 19 May, 2021, 03:44:16 PM
It's WEDNESDAY, the child is full of woe, and it's new podcast day!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/5/18/ep-14-fists-of-the-dance

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: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 19 May, 2021, 04:57:55 PM
It's WEDNESDAY, the child is full of woe, and it's new podcast day!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/5/18/ep-14-fists-of-the-dance

How dare that image not post when it looked fine in the preview! Yer makin' me look like an amateur, board!

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/517c5a82e4b01510f831c91c/1621389140726-UR8C735OC2TDF3AVORZA/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHaDcJC7v3tA0GxSL5TkZ_B7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UUbuLpVVARftOs13leZwTpUuf7vG7nCDDx9bGrvTTpPoNeSmKb0l_enT_dNQ8WjXgg/BigBanner-Fists+of+Dance.jpg)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 20 May, 2021, 10:02:11 AM
I listened to this whilst doing a tedious job and it made my morning a lot less tedious.
I read these two Dante stories out of sequence (I missed it in the Prog, caught up via the collected softbacks and book 3 which started with these was long out of print) and as such they always felt a bit prelude-y to me: not in a bad way but, knowing that the story is about to escalate dramatically I tend to zip through them to get the main Marriage plot so it was good to just read them alone. The train sequence is great. I always feel a bit sorry for the Arbatov here.

I could listen to Edie and Simon talk about Dante / sushi / Eddie Vedder / racist content in Temple of Doom etc. all day. They never feel like they're trying too hard to be funny or interesting, they just are those things. And I am down for an Arbatov spinoff and Arbatov singing. More Arbatov content please!
 
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 20 May, 2021, 10:05:03 AM
Idea for names for the listeners to the Podcasts

Fantes

Readthrough Irregulars

(well you can tack Irregulars onto the end of any better suggstions!)

Fante Irregulars
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 20 May, 2021, 05:20:55 PM
Will listen to this over the weekend. Always like a Dante drop.

Question: With Penguin adapting some Tooth properties for audio dramas, what about Dante?

And who would play him? What does Nikolai sound like in your head?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Simon Fraser 20 May, 2021, 06:30:52 PM
Dante has a Glasgow accent , in my mind.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 20 May, 2021, 06:49:28 PM
See those Arbatovs? Fanny baws, the whole crowd. Haud on, though - whit the f*ck is this:

Nikolai Diavolo (https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Nikolai_Diavolo)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 21 May, 2021, 09:29:33 AM
Audiobook Dante should be played by Arnie doing his Red Heat Russian accent.
<monotone> "I'm too coool to kiiiill"
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 23 May, 2021, 12:26:19 PM
I posted this elsewhere but thought I should link to it here too - without being spoilery, it shows what would have happened if Dante had been made a dictator in Vladimir's place, instead of the thing that really happened to him which I won't be giving away here.

https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=36237.msg1061629#msg1061629 (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=36237.msg1061629#msg1061629)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 26 May, 2021, 04:06:41 PM
It's Wednesday and that means podcast day!

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/5/26/ep-15-cruel-requiem

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: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 27 May, 2021, 10:37:17 PM
Well that was great fun, as always.  Makes the boring parts of my job (today: painting fake bricks on a plaster wall) much easier.

I asked this on another thread, but I may as well repeat it here: Does everyone in Dante's world speak Russian, translated into English for the reader?  Or is English the global language in 2666 onwards?  I realise it's completely unimportant but thought I may as well put it to one of Dante's creators.

Anyway keep up the good work; it's one of the highlights of my week these days!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 02 June, 2021, 08:54:59 AM
Hold on long bank holidays are meant to be about catching up with stuff you like - so how come I'm falling behind. Anyway finally finished Episode 14 on my run this morning (with another epsiode started and Space Spinner what is a boy to do) and the introduction of the magnificent John M Burns leads to a load more questions.

Its rare to have two artist so associated with a series. Often its one, often many over time, but to have two is interesting. What impact, if any do you think John had on the strip? Its interesting that John asked to draw Dante himself, I've often wondered whether it was an editorial choice, as looking back he seems such a natural fit, but I'm thinking at the time might have been quite departure in the art style?

Anyway questions:

1. Once he was onboard how did his ongoing involvement develop? Was that editorial, was it Robbie and Simon asking for him to continue, or was it never a consious decision one way or the other?

2. His arrival came alongside a significent tonal shift in the series, as the first phase of the story came to an end - which largely was world and character building and establishing Dante in his more gung-ho phase. That shift was heavily foreshadwoed though and  John's arrival a happy coincidence (?) rather than planned. From that point on though what influence, if any,  did John's work have on the way the story developed?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 02 June, 2021, 01:25:12 PM
Hello Irregulars. New podcast! This will be the second to last episode of season 1 of The Great Dante Readthrough. We'll talk more about it when we record part 2.

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http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/6/1/ep-16-the-courtship-of-jena-makarov-part-1
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 02 June, 2021, 02:25:57 PM
This story is where Dante elevates from a great thrill to worldbeating one IMO. It's the absolute bomb.

The podcast is a super cool listen as ever, Simon sounds really enthusiastic and proud in this episode. He also makes a Baby Got Back reference, so +50 mentioning-stuff-I-get points.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 03 June, 2021, 05:43:25 AM
The Adventures of Nikolai Dante (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/NikolaiDante/data.html) have been tabulated over on my A-Z.  :)
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 03 June, 2021, 07:37:31 AM
The Adventures of Nikolai Dante (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/NikolaiDante/data.html) have been tabulated over on my A-Z.  :)

You do wonderful things Funt!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 03 June, 2021, 01:39:48 PM
The Adventures of Nikolai Dante (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/NikolaiDante/data.html) have been tabulated over on my A-Z.  :)

Yess! Now I don't have to count pages by hand!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 09 June, 2021, 05:23:46 AM
NEW PODCAST WEDNESDAY!

We finish the epic story! It's part 2 of The Courtship of Jena Makarov. Get your drinks read to toast the end of this tale, and find out our plans for season two of the Readthrough.

http://simonfraser.net/tgdrpodcast/2021/6/8/ep-17-the-courtship-of-jena-makarov-part-2

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: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: The Mind of Wolfie Smith 09 June, 2021, 08:26:16 AM
what a wonderful pod. beautifully opening up what was already exceptionally generous storytelling ...
but what a terrible wait for more it will surely be.

just one question - has the saga appeared at all in russia (and/or in russian)?
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 09 June, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Big thank you Edie and Simon for this podcast, I've got loads of enjoyment out of it, especially in some fairly grim times. Really looking forward to this coming back.

Some great insight from Simon on this one, and Wolfie is right about this opening up the story more: the realisation of stuff like the royal Romanov crest and the flicker of tech on Andreas's forehead just makes it all the better.

I adore this particular story: Dante attacking the blimp on a giant flying pornographic picture of himself is one of my absolute favourite parts of the whole tale. I think the (post) sex scene is tremendous and what an incredible final panel. Like Simon says on this one it's a payoff to what's been a slow build and it really works - I know I've probably been a bit gushing in this thread but this is just sooo great. Everyone who likes comics should read it.

I'd read a Simon-drawn romance comic btw.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 10 June, 2021, 06:24:04 PM
Some great insight from Simon on this one, and Wolfie is right about this opening up the story more: the realisation of stuff like the royal Romanov crest and the flicker of tech on Andreas's forehead just makes it all the better.

Defo this.

Now I want to be careful defending Dante here if indeed he was being a tool at the start of 'Love and War' when he bursts into the cabin all full of rage (can you feel the but coming...) BUT I'm going to but a reason under it.

I've always read this* as Dante feeling abandoned. He clearly directs his rage at the fact that Jena left him for dead (though to be fair he did rather set that up!) and feels that was another example of being abandoned. He references that later (his fear of being abandoned) when Jena is unhappy with his inability to commit and so for me that's where his rage comes from.

Now whether its appropriate is a different conversation and he's certainly had a long journey to allow it to fester and distort in his mind. I just feel in this case I cut him some slack and suggest he's not being Dikolai, or if he is its due to his deep seated insecurity at least - though whether that justifies it as I say is a different conversation.


* I have a long and sordid history of getting these things wrong
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 11 June, 2021, 01:25:30 PM
Thanks for this once again, Edie and Simon.  I'll miss you both while you're on your (much-deserved) podcast break.  Really interesting discussion of a really important scene (that post-coital scene in the shack, of course). 

I don't think 2000ad has ever had a more sexually explicit scene than that one - Jena talking about 'over and over again' as her hand did something to Dante just off-panel, and then grumbling about how 'some things shrink when commitment is mentioned' when Dante turns away from her with a look of shame.  I seem to remember the internet being up in arms over a far less overt Marvel scene when Thor's mental issues put paid to his bedroom antics.

But more than that, it was when everything changed - Dante and Jena finally realising their love for each other, and then the reality of war dashing their dreams in minutes.  It was also about the time when Nikolai began to really start leaving his Loaded-stye Dikolai antics behind him, and I started warming to the character properly.  As always, the podcast has made me appreciate Dante on a much deeper level and realise the absolute epic scale of what Robbie and Simon crafted over the years.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 11 June, 2021, 01:28:51 PM
Forgot to say - I can't believe it took the podcast to make me realise that 'All the Russias' meant the entire world.  Obvious in hindsight!
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 11 June, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Finished this one off this morning on my run and look forward to you returning when you are good and ready. Its been a blast so far and I'm (almost) as excited about the idea of interviews with all involved. It will make this an even more of glorious companion piece to Dante. If and when those get done they will be an fantastic addition.

You've certainly picked a good place to pause and returning on Tsar Wars will be quite a thing and something I'm looking forward to a tremendous amount.

Most importantly though have a lovely honeymoon. May all those distilleries serve you well and whatever else you get up to be fun.

See you on the otherside.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: JayzusB.Christ 11 June, 2021, 03:30:12 PM

Most importantly though have a lovely honeymoon. May all those distilleries serve you well and whatever else you get up to be fun.


Ah yes, apologies, should have mentioned that! Have an amazing honeymoon - a tour of distilleries sounds absolutely brilliant.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 14 June, 2021, 10:38:26 AM
I've just finished the entire run of Nikolai Dante for the first time. Gosh I think they got the ending just right.

How satisfying.



Going back a couple of weeks, I'm not having Nikolai with a glasweigan accent. My dad's from Glasgow and NO WAY is Nikolai sounding like my dad. No way. I'm not having it.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Funt Solo 14 June, 2021, 06:39:08 PM
I don't know - saying "diavolo" in a Glasgow accent is quite fun.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: The Monarch 22 June, 2021, 06:52:41 PM
plus minor spoiler ahead one of Dantes disguises later on is scottish so its not far off xd
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Illyana 17 August, 2021, 12:19:12 PM
HELLO IRREGULARS! How is your summer going?

We miss you and we hope you're doing ok. We're still in Scotland, but the honeymoon is over (cue weeping) but we managed to drive (well, Simon did) about 2500 miles through Alba's islands and Highlands and we're married.

So that means season 2 of the podcast is coming!

Ideas for season two:

-Continuing our readthrough (of course)
-Edie and Simon chatting with people about their involvement in Dante (artists, editors, publisher big wigs etc)

So what would you like to hear in season two? We're open to suggestions.

We'll be overseas through the beginning of September, so look for episodes to resume at the end of that month. When we're back in the Delta-soaked United States! Yay! Oh well, more time to stay quarantined inside our home to be safe and make more episodes.

xo
Edie

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: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Bad Andy 18 August, 2021, 08:26:24 AM
I do like the idea of guests on the show. Not that you two aren't gold, but might be good to freshen it up  bit for series 2.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Colin YNWA 18 August, 2021, 09:13:42 AM
Yeah I love the story insights from the two of you but guests will add an extra dimension.

For me though its best if these were done as extras / specials and the podcast as a whole remains the reflections of the core team (you and Simon) on what you read. That way we have a 'travelogue' through a single 'journey' and a personal insight on one level. Then the more resource / compaign piece on another.

Whatever you decide and find time for I'm looking forward to it immensely and

CONGRATULATIONS on ... errr completing the honeymoon... hope you had fun.
: Re: The Great Dante Readthrough Podcast
: Barrington Boots 18 August, 2021, 11:32:50 AM
Hurray! Honeymoons rule and so does this Podcast returning.

Going forward, more of what we've had before, please! I'd definitely be interested to hear the thoughts of other Dante 'alumni' in the same sort of relaxed format.