What it says on the tin. I love his work and Dredd was always a great read with Q.Twerk on duties...
... it's been far too long guys!
Si
Yes I'll second this.guys a genius.
He buggered off in a strop and declared himself finished with comics after becoming disillusioned with having to draw the less-than-brilliant Samantha Slade Robo Hunter stories a few years back.
I agree, it would be great to see him in the prog again, but we're not party to all the behind the scenes stuff which may or may not have occured.
To be fair, the money in comics is terrible when compared to just about any other form of commercial illustration — there's a reason why Ron Smith couldn't be lured back to the Prog when David Bishop made some conciliatory approaches to classic creators who felt a little hard done-by under the previous editorial regime.
I remember happening across Ian's illustrations on a Cluedo-themed pub quiz machine — there were some splash screens that were more identifiably him than the headshots in the screen below, which was all I could find by way of example...
(http://www.fruitmachine.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/CluedoGameReview.jpg)
Cheers
Jim
Didn't he do the Peel and Steed comic a few years back? (a.k.a. the British avengers)
The stuff by him that came out recently was reprints of stuff that came out in the early 90s.
I suspect the furore about that topless Halo Jones print - you know, the one that was going to be available at a con, and then suddenly wasn't - won't have improved the situation any.
Bad news all around then. Z :(
He did an IDW Dredd cover recently. Id love to see Ian back in the prog.
He's also apparently written Halo Jones books 4 & 5 but not managed to get it off the ground for one large reason.
I'm not surprised he was less than impressed with the Samantha Slade bobbins - can you blame him?
Quote from: GordonR on 28 January, 2015, 12:34:51 PM
I suspect the furore about that topless Halo Jones print - you know, the one that was going to be available at a con, and then suddenly wasn't - won't have improved the situation any.
For 'topless Halo Jones' read 'topless woman who was drawn by the person who co-created Halo Jones so looks very vaguely like her'. Censored, but still not entirely safe for work picture here: http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/halo-jones-2.jpg
Anyway, back to Dredd - would love to see new Gibson stories in the prog - when I got into 2000AD the annuals were running his full-colour stories (painted, not like the US version of 'colour comics' back then). Something with lots of Gibson-trademark buildings, robots and gangs would hit the spot :-)
QuoteFor 'topless Halo Jones' read 'topless woman who was drawn by the person who co-created Halo Jones so looks very vaguely like her'.
No. He was selling it as Halo - it was ony after the fact he said it wasn't her at all, we were all mistaken in thinking it was, even though he had said it was.
QuoteThe limited edition run of 50 prints had been offered for sale on the Expo website, with proceeds from the sale going to charity. It was described as "a special, very limited run of Halo in all her 'glory'!", aimed at "the discerning adult".
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/mar/21/halo-jones-topless-row-ian-gibson
Yes I would love to see Ian Gibson back on Dredd. He is an absolute legend.
So, has he disavowed all 2000ad or just Dredd?
I don't think Dredd was ever the problem was it?
Grant Goggans covers the Samantha Slade era from 10 years ago.
http://thrillpoweredthursday.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/177-samantha-slade-short-goodbye.html (http://thrillpoweredthursday.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/177-samantha-slade-short-goodbye.html)
The topless Halo thing happened in 2013 after this was written.
It's a bit anti-Gibson that piece ay.
I haven't been able to find much in the way of other articles...
Quote from: Skullmo on 31 January, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
It's a bit anti-Gibson that piece ay.
Hard to argue with though.
Perhaps understandable dissatisfaction with Samantha Slade and this unfortunate Halo siliness aside, Gibson has made a serious contribution to 2000AD, including many of my all-time favourite stories. I'd love to see him back drawing something he enjoys.
I'm currently trying to persuade Ian to finish Lifeboat, since I'm certain at least one of the publishers I work for would pick it up. However, I would refer forum members to my previous comment about comic art being the least cost-effective form of commercial illustration from an artist's point of view.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 31 January, 2015, 04:48:32 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 31 January, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
It's a bit anti-Gibson that piece ay.
Hard to argue with though.
I would argue with people referring to letters that they cannot evidence to support their claims. It just seems like sh*t stirring to me.
I know everyone likes a good story but sometimes if you respect creators just let them have their privacy and do what they want to do. There was clearly an issue with finishing the story, that's life.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 30 January, 2015, 09:05:54 AM
QuoteFor 'topless Halo Jones' read 'topless woman who was drawn by the person who co-created Halo Jones so looks very vaguely like her'.
No. He was selling it as Halo - it was ony after the fact he said it wasn't her at all, we were all mistaken in thinking it was, even though he had said it was.
QuoteThe limited edition run of 50 prints had been offered for sale on the Expo website, with proceeds from the sale going to charity. It was described as "a special, very limited run of Halo in all her 'glory'!", aimed at "the discerning adult".
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/mar/21/halo-jones-topless-row-ian-gibson
To be fair, I'm certain I saw the picture online somewhere
before it went on sale with a very generic title and no suggestion that it was Halo, other than the resemblance. Somebody obviously had the bright idea of saying it was her because they thought it would raise more money, and it backfired.
I thought it was Halo. With her tits out. From the off.
Are there any left?
Quote from: M.I.K. on 01 February, 2015, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 30 January, 2015, 09:05:54 AM
QuoteFor 'topless Halo Jones' read 'topless woman who was drawn by the person who co-created Halo Jones so looks very vaguely like her'.
No. He was selling it as Halo - it was ony after the fact he said it wasn't her at all, we were all mistaken in thinking it was, even though he had said it was.
QuoteThe limited edition run of 50 prints had been offered for sale on the Expo website, with proceeds from the sale going to charity. It was described as "a special, very limited run of Halo in all her 'glory'!", aimed at "the discerning adult".
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/mar/21/halo-jones-topless-row-ian-gibson (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/mar/21/halo-jones-topless-row-ian-gibson)
To be fair, I'm certain I saw the picture online somewhere before it went on sale with a very generic title and no suggestion that it was Halo, other than the resemblance. Somebody obviously had the bright idea of saying it was her because they thought it would raise more money, and it backfired.
That's my understanding of the situation.
I think the convention organisers said it was Halo, Ian never did, from what I read, as the events unfolded.
Quote from: Skullmo on 01 February, 2015, 02:58:13 PM
I would argue with people referring to letters that they cannot evidence to support their claims. It just seems like sh*t stirring to me.
I know everyone likes a good story but sometimes if you respect creators just let them have their privacy and do what they want to do. There was clearly an issue with finishing the story, that's life.
Oh, I could "evidence" that if I wanted to. The letter, after all, was freely available for all to see on this very message board in August 2007, therefore fair game for me to reference in that post. I did not quote it directly, as it was believed to have been intended as a private communication between Gibson and a reader, but the text was nevertheless made public, and as such could be used as background.
Still let bygones be bygones and get him back. Ian has expressed a desire to do Dredd again on Faceybook I believe
That would be great to see.
Yeah. Would love to see Ian back!
It's nice to see the encouragers on this thread. The world already has it's fair share of critics.
Would love to see Gibson back working on Dredd with Wagner.
Couldn't really care less about the previous issues.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 02 February, 2015, 01:21:06 AM
I think the convention organisers said it was Halo, Ian never did, from what I read, as the events unfolded.
Pretty much how I read it. I never thougt it looked particularly like Halo to begin with. And whats the issue with exposed mamaries or is everyone just too British all of a sudden?
And yes, another plea for Mr.Gibsons return. A phenomenal talent.
Quote"I just called it 'topless Halo' as otherwise it was just a nameless pinup," he said.
Gibson said this. GIBSON. I really don't see how people are having a hard time accepting that it was him and not the convention organisers.
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 03 February, 2015, 10:27:06 AM
And whats the issue with exposed mamaries or is everyone just too British all of a sudden?
Let's not have this argument again, eh? Short version: even if you don't mind looking at ladies in various states of undress, it's possible to think it
utterly inappropriate to transform one of the medium's few strong, independent, believable female lead characters into a subject of titillation, regardless of whether it was for charity or not.
Cheers
Jim
Fair enough points, Richmond & Jim.
Regardless, I don't think any of us would like to see a living legend 'black listed' over this or any other (what most would consider) triviality.
If he's eager to work on Dredd again, and Tharg would wish to have him return (and why not, he's one of the finest artists ever to grace the Prog), then yeah, as the thread title suggests; Bring back Ian Gibson on Dredd.
Quote from: Jacqusie on 03 February, 2015, 12:34:59 AM
It's nice to see the encouragers on this thread. The world already has it's fair share of critics.
Yes!
Herm, though I disagree over the potential for the picture to be considered "titelating" the nature of breats and their place as "sexual organs" is a discusion for another day, you are right. I went of on a tangent their that I honestly shouldn't have.
And I was unaware Gibson had directly said that. I read the original text accompanying the image back in 2013 as paraphrasing and hence any mistake was entirely down to the journalist. I'm sure we've been over this before as well but christ I actualy forgot about this whole affair and probably for good reason.
Gibson is my favourite 2000AD artist by quite some margin. Whatever can be done to entice him back to the comic should be done.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 03 February, 2015, 10:33:44 AM
Quote"I just called it 'topless Halo' as otherwise it was just a nameless pinup," he said.
Gibson said this. GIBSON. I really don't see how people are having a hard time accepting that it was him and not the convention organisers.
That's why I said "
somebody had the bright idea to say it was her", 'cos I wasn't sure if it had been him or the convention folk.
Quote from: wedgeski on 03 February, 2015, 11:00:25 AM
Gibson is my favourite 2000AD artist by quite some margin. Whatever can be done to entice him back to the comic should be done.
Agreed - should we start a movement or something? An open letter to Tharg or a petition? Either way I'm with Ian Gibson block, who are you fighting for?
:)
Oh, for fuck's sake. Tharg and Ian have each other's phone numbers: if Ian was desperate to work for 2000AD again, he knows how to make that happen. Or are you campaigning to have him work on a strip when his heart's not really in it? Because we know how well that worked out last time...
Cheers
Jim
I worship hard at the artistic feet of Mr Gibson (<see my original art gallery for proof) but with the limited space available and v-limited opportunities outside 2000ad now, I'd rather see an unknown newbie have a crack at Dredd then bring back someone of the old school who appears not to desire the showcase such work provides.
Some keen young blood to challenge my eyes and start their fledgling career gets my vote.
Dunk!
PS Do love Mr Gibson's art xxx
Quote from: Dunk! on 04 February, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Some keen young blood to challenge my eyes and start their fledgling career gets my vote.
I'm with this. Invest in the future, not digging up the past. Unless it's an artist I like, of course.
Quote from: The Cosh on 04 February, 2015, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Dunk! on 04 February, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Some keen young blood to challenge my eyes and start their fledgling career gets my vote.
I'm with this. Invest in the future, not digging up the past. Unless it's an artist I like, of course.
Whats your point, callers?
Any given Prog is a pretty good mix of the new and old.
This very week we have 50% of the script & art Droids with a career spanning more than 20 years (2 of them have been around since 1977).
We also have the (rather excellent) newcomers Guy Adams & Jake Lynch.
Quote from: Link Prime on 04 February, 2015, 10:11:22 AM
Whats your point, callers?
The point, my point at least, is that Ian's final few contributions to the prog were a
long way from his best work, and widely bemoaned as such both here and in wider fandom. If Ian isn't sufficiently enthused by the thought of working for 2000AD to pick up the phone and see if Tharg has anything for him, do you
really want the Mighty One to try and talk him into taking on a job for which he has no enthusiasm?
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 February, 2015, 07:59:29 AM
Oh, for fuck's sake. Tharg and Ian have each other's phone numbers: if Ian was desperate to work for 2000AD again, he knows how to make that happen. Or are you campaigning to have him work on a strip when his heart's not really in it? Because we know how well that worked out last time...
Fair point, but it doesn't hurt to remind Tharg of our enthusiasms. :)
Quote from: Link Prime on 04 February, 2015, 10:11:22 AM
Quote from: The Cosh on 04 February, 2015, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Dunk! on 04 February, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Some keen young blood to challenge my eyes and start their fledgling career gets my vote.
I'm with this. Invest in the future, not digging up the past. Unless it's an artist I like, of course.
Whats your point, callers?
Not really got one other than that some people would like to see Gibson back in the Prog and I'm not really bothered as he was never a favourite of mine and his last stuff was far from his best. My last sentence was a humourous acknowledgment that my attitude would be completely different if we were talking about someone I was a big fan of.
I would also like to see him back in the prog...to fill in all the backgrounds he forgot to draw the last time.
KIDDING.
As a kid I read and reread that article in one of the old annuals on how he drew Dredd. Mind blowingly good stuff which I tried to ape on several occasions and failed every time. The man WAS great on Dredd and Halo but towards the end his heart just didnt seem to be in it. I say let it go and be thankful for what we got.
I think that's just a dismissive attitude to take - that someone's only as good as their last work.
Sure, it's up to Ian to approach 2000 AD if he really wants to have a crack at Dredd (which is a different prospect to an ongoing Robohunter strip)
I would have thought a one or two-parter 'see how it works out' would be a good way to start.
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 February, 2015, 02:10:59 PM
I think that's just a dismissive attitude to take - that someone's only as good as their last work.
If I started doing a half assed job my firm is not going to keep me on just because I knocked it out the park when I started. Though I dont know how they would react if I started drawing tits on their accounts I dont imagine it would be good.
Quote from: wedgeski on 04 February, 2015, 10:37:40 AM
Fair point, but it doesn't hurt to remind Tharg of our enthusiasms. :)
That's my feelings. I'm sure Matt and Ian are able to contact each other if needed but it doesn't hurt to let Tharg know if there is a real desire to see someone back in the fold. Grievances might be unreconcilable for all we know but I'll still say it.
Not exactly 'when he started' is it though? Apart towards the end of that Robohunter strip, I seem to recall him being consistently good over a few decades.
To write someone off because of them lacking enthusiasm for a particular script just seems short-sighted, as if that one bit of work writes off everything that preceded it.
Quote from: James Stacey on 04 February, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
I'm sure Matt and Ian are able to contact each other if needed but it doesn't hurt to let Tharg know if there is a real desire to see someone back in the fold. Grievances might be unreconcilable for all we know but I'll still say it.
Hey, I'm sure Matt could get in touch with Alan Moore as well. Why not start a petition to get him to commission a new book of Halo Jones? We'd all like to see it, and I'm sure Matt wouldn't mind wasting time he could otherwise be using to, y'know,
edit the fucking comic on a fool's errand to placate the whims of a bunch of fans.
Gah.
Jim
If it was just those last ten pages of Samantha Slade, I might agree with Steve. But it wasn't. Gibson was more than capable of putting in some amazing composition and color, better than just about anybody else in the business, and you can see it in "Stim" and "Casino Royal." They prove that Gibson could totally bring his A-game when pressed. I get that many people don't like Samantha and didn't look at her stories twice, but "Stim" and "Casino" look hotdamned *amazing*, and if you don't agree, your eyes need checked. They look a million times more detailed, vibrant, and rich than the Samantha stories that preceded them.
They also look a million times more detailed, etc. than anything else that he'd done for 2000 AD in *years*.
"At Home with the Snozzburns" is a pretty easy target, but none of the other Dredds in the early 2000s were anything like his best work. "Sex Beast," "Lost in Cyberspace," "Terrorist," "Sniping," "Holding On" and several other background-skimping examples, sadly, come to mind. He wasn't "consistently good" at all.
If we could be assured of Good Gibson, then I'd absolutely love to see him in the prog again. But considering how uneven his 2000-2007 period really was, it makes about as much sense as rolling the dice and phoning Frank Miller. Maybe he'll bring "Dark Knight Returns," and maybe the publisher wastes money on a cover that never gets printed.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 February, 2015, 03:28:11 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 04 February, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
I'm sure Matt and Ian are able to contact each other if needed but it doesn't hurt to let Tharg know if there is a real desire to see someone back in the fold. Grievances might be unreconcilable for all we know but I'll still say it.
Hey, I'm sure Matt could get in touch with Alan Moore as well. Why not start a petition to get him to commission a new book of Halo Jones? . . .
Jim
God idea!
Do we start the petition on this thread or another?
More Halo! That will be more and Gibson!
*Moore
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 February, 2015, 03:28:11 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 04 February, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
I'm sure Matt and Ian are able to contact each other if needed but it doesn't hurt to let Tharg know if there is a real desire to see someone back in the fold. Grievances might be unreconcilable for all we know but I'll still say it.
Hey, I'm sure Matt could get in touch with Alan Moore as well. Why not start a petition to get him to commission a new book of Halo Jones? We'd all like to see it, and I'm sure Matt wouldn't mind wasting time he could otherwise be using to, y'know, edit the fucking comic on a fool's errand to placate the whims of a bunch of fans.
Gah.
Jim
It's called feedback, I'm sure Matt isn't adverse to it. What he does with it is up to him. I'm not sure how providing the fans something they might want is 'a fools errand'.
Unless of course the fans are fools!
Quote from: James Stacey on 04 February, 2015, 03:43:21 PM
It's called feedback, I'm sure Matt isn't adverse to it. What he does with it is up to him. I'm not sure how providing the fans something they might want is 'a fools errand'.
I give up.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 February, 2015, 03:50:08 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 04 February, 2015, 03:43:21 PM
It's called feedback, I'm sure Matt isn't adverse to it. What he does with it is up to him. I'm not sure how providing the fans something they might want is 'a fools errand'.
I give up.
The giant is slain!
Reading about this exciting campaign to get Alan Moore and Ian Gibson to reunite and produce more Halo Jones has got me very excited. Is there a petition we can sign?
Quote from: Butch on 04 February, 2015, 04:25:55 PM
Is there a petition we can sign?
You could start one. Maybe it will even be as successful as the "Make a Dredd Sequel" petition...
Quote from: King Pops on 04 February, 2015, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: Butch on 04 February, 2015, 04:25:55 PM
Is there a petition we can sign?
You could start one. Maybe it will even be as successful as the "Make a Dredd Sequel" petition...
Or the anti-fracking one
Never give the fans what they want.
NEVER!
I've just noticed he's going to be at the Lawgiver con in May.
(Ian, not Alan Moore or Frank Miller)
The last Gibson Dredd I actually remember (though it may not be latest one) was Judgement, which I think was a Rennie-penned interlude during Origins. I thought it looked great. If Ian felt like doing more like that I'd be doing a happy dance, and I imagine Matt would too. There's no harm in us all being enthusiastic about Ian's work, it's good to see, but I'm sure both of the people whose opinions actually matter have already put some thought into it.
Quote from: King Pops on 04 February, 2015, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: Butch on 04 February, 2015, 04:25:55 PM
Is there a petition we can sign?
You could start one. Maybe it will even be as successful as the "Make a Dredd Sequel" petition...
That's the spirit, Pops! Sign up below, folks:
(http://i.imgur.com/NWbLNOL.png?1)
Heh.
Quote from: Spikes on 04 February, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
Never give the fans what they want.
NEVER!
For what it's worth, I genuinely agree with this.
As fans, we know what we
liked in the past, and will ask for it again.
But creators are at their best when they give us the unexpected, something new.
Just like when we're in nightclubs, we really shouldn't make requests.
Quote from: Butch on 04 February, 2015, 07:39:11 PM
That's the spirit, Pops! Sign up below, folks:
Dammit Sauchie, you made me exceed my guffaw quota for the day by one whole chortle.
Quote from: TordelBack on 04 February, 2015, 05:40:56 PM
The last Gibson Dredd I actually remember (though it may not be latest one) was Judgement, which I think was a Rennie-penned interlude during Origins. I thought it looked great. If Ian felt like doing more like that I'd be doing a happy dance, and I imagine Matt would too. There's no harm in us all being enthusiastic about Ian's work, it's good to see, but I'm sure both of the people whose opinions actually matter have already put some thought into it.
Yes,
Judgement is fantastic and yes again to some more Gibson in the Prog at some future time. It's never a bad thing to remember how great he can be nor a bad thing to request his talents again, even if it seems a wild folly.
Never a big Gibson fan....but what the heck, where do we sign. Z
Quote from: Woolly on 04 February, 2015, 09:14:36 PM
As fans, we know what we liked in the past, and will ask for it again.
But creators are at their best when they give us the unexpected, something new.
Totally.
There is point when I would have said give me Bolland on Dredd, Carlos on Stront, Fabry on Slaine and Kev O'Neill on Nemesis every week until the end of time.
And it would probably have got boring.... eventually. :D
New creators are the life blood of the comic and I think Tharg has done a magnificent job on bringing in new talent over the years.
(BTW I have already said I think Gibson is a legend).
God lord, from the state of some of the folk clearly with histronic personality disorder on here, you would have thought I'd started a thread asking for the guy to come back to shit gold.
Have a word with yourselves and get a grip, I was only voicing an opinion where something would be NICE to see, an old master who has given so much to 2000ad, who deserves some respect for that and that his return may make some people happy.
If this is the level of diatribe, hostility and spitefulness on this forum when someone says something nice, I'm not sure if i'm in the right place. Thanks for those who have the decency to show Ian the kudos he deserves.
Si
How about a cover? Is that an acceptable compromise? Do IDW pay more for their covers than Rebellion as his cover last year on IDW Dredd was (just about) the only decent thing in it all year.
Top 10 2000AD all-timer. I even loved his stuff other people say 'he isn't putting the effort in'. It's his linework, he's just got something better than most.
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 February, 2015, 05:28:46 PM
I've just noticed he's going to be at the Lawgiver con in May.
(Ian, not Alan Moore or Frank Miller)
Yup I'm a bit pleased about this. No idea what I'll ask him yet if I am doing a Panel with him though...
Quote from: Bat King on 05 February, 2015, 12:12:40 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 February, 2015, 05:28:46 PM
I've just noticed he's going to be at the Lawgiver con in May.
(Ian, not Alan Moore or Frank Miller)
Yup I'm a bit pleased about this. No idea what I'll ask him yet if I am doing a Panel with him though...
Ask him to sign the petition!
Looking at that petition I just cant help think that Grants Morrisons signature was much cleaner and vibrant when he was first starting out in 2000AD. Guess now hes a big shot his hearts just not in it anymore :(
Ian Gibson on a wacky Dredd script chock full of the madness of Mega-City One? Yes, please. Like Smith, he's one of the artists that captures that really well.
Quote from: The Cosh on 04 February, 2015, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 04 February, 2015, 10:11:22 AM
Quote from: The Cosh on 04 February, 2015, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Dunk! on 04 February, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Some keen young blood to challenge my eyes and start their fledgling career gets my vote.
I'm with this. Invest in the future, not digging up the past. Unless it's an artist I like, of course.
Whats your point, callers?
Not really got one other than that some people would like to see Gibson back in the Prog and I'm not really bothered as he was never a favourite of mine and his last stuff was far from his best. My last sentence was a humourous acknowledgment that my attitude would be completely different if we were talking about someone I was a big fan of.
Gotcha.
the main gripe I had with robo hunter was that is wasn't sam snr in it instead of a daughter but saying that robo hunter was ian's strip as only carlos should do stront...dredd's fair game though, his world and variety suits many styles. I ,as many others would love to see him back on scribbles as we would like bolland to do a full strip on dredd but I never liked halo jones in the first place so aint fussed if that never resurfaces.
Quote from: Grugz on 07 February, 2015, 07:11:30 PM
but I never liked halo jones in the first place so aint fussed if that never resurfaces.
...I don't think you have owt to worry about there ;)
As for Mr Gibson, yes a cover would be fabulous!