I'm available to play Dredd. Burdis could play Otto Sump.
It's live-action, not animated.
There's been an early production leak. I think it looks excellent:
(https://s18.postimg.org/lalb8q4dl/IMG_1752.jpg)
There's been an early production leak. I think it looks excellent:
*if you need a mutant, here I am! I'm from the West Country so I should qualify ;)
"The plan is to make the series an ensemble drama about a team of Judges" - very cool, exactly what I was hoping for.
My advice to the producers: watch every damn episode of Hill Street Blues, and learn. Whilst I'm not saying they should be aiming to make "HSB with Judges", I'd really like to see them replicate that sense of barely controlled anarchy the show often portrayed so successfully. It's perfect for Mega-City one, particularly if they go with the movie concept: "Twelve serious crimes reported every minute. Seventeen thousand per day. We can respond to around six percent."
Urban would be nice, not sure about the logistics though.
Urban would be nice, not sure about the logistics though.
I'm going to take a speculative guess that Dredd isn't going to be the main draw here.
He'll turn up for sure, definately in the first couple of episodes, but then we'll get a more The Pit style Judge procedural type thing, with Dredd appearing every now-and-then (which could help accommodate a certain someone's schedule, maybe).
Has it been confirmed if this is a follow-on from the 2012 film yet?
You have the same name as me, I too am Mark Taylor citizen! middle name being David.
Just thinking... If IM Global are involved in this, then does that mean this is a continuation of the 2012 movie universe?
ISTR reading in another thread that IM Global had the rights to the designs from 2012.
Just thinking... If IM Global are involved in this, then does that mean this is a continuation of the 2012 movie universe?
ISTR reading in another thread that IM Global had the rights to the designs from 2012.
*Actually styles would work for me.
But folks! No more 1980s vans! :) Futuristic vehicles, robots n all that stuff.
For grud's sake is this thing not on yet, it feels like it's been ages...
There's only two names I want to see attached to this. Much excitement!
And, apparently, there's already a trailer out for it....
https://youtu.be/fTN2YWyyE_E (https://youtu.be/fTN2YWyyE_E)
On a more serious note, we should be a tiny bit cautious. Online research indicates that production partner Mark Stern (of IM Global) seems to have built a reputation in his time at SyFy for bigging-up projects, only for them to never make it out of the development stage...
Okay, Scott... ::)
6. Check out Brian Jenkins in the same video. There's the man to play Dredd right there! He'd have to lose the beard of course, or otherwise he could just be seen from behind or in silhouette at the periphery of the action.
If it is being filmed in the UK, chances are that it'll be in Belfast. HBO will have no further need for the massive studios they used for Game of Thrones. Besides, Belfast was already in the opening sequence of Dredd. The place is practically Mega City One at times.
The vibe I'm getting is 'Gotham' but in the Dreddverse (hopefully better though).
6. Check out Brian Jenkins in the same video. There's the man to play Dredd right there! He'd have to lose the beard of course, or otherwise he could just be seen from behind or in silhouette at the periphery of the action.
For grud's sake is this thing not on yet, it feels like it's been ages...
There's only two names I want to see attached to this. Much excitement!
Karl and Urban? Or Wagner and Ezquerra?
For grud's sake is this thing not on yet, it feels like it's been ages...
There's only two names I want to see attached to this. Much excitement!
Karl and Urban? Or Wagner and Ezquerra?
He means Ennis & Miller.
The ad shows flying cars... which ultimately doesn't really mean anything as it could be completely different when it is broadcast. If they keep to that aesthetic though (i.e. movie style blocks, albeit not so spaced out, but the comic vehicles) that would not be a bad way to go.
I do like the big mushroom buildings, though.
It probably way too early,but any news on what network it could be?
They said no network is on board yet.
Personally I'm hoping for Netflix.
Hope it's not Sky, as I don't have that and satellite dishes are frowned on where I live. But hey, Sky should be available via the Internet by the time this is out.
It probably way too early,but any news on what network it could be?
KARL URBAN
They said no network is on board yet.
Personally I'm hoping for Netflix.
Hope it's not Sky, as I don't have that and satellite dishes are frowned on where I live. But hey, Sky should be available via the Internet by the time this is out.
I heard there's an Internet streaming thingy called Now TV or something that allows you to watch Sky stuff for a monthly fee without entering into a contract. That's how I'm planning to watch the forthcoming Twin Peaks episodes.
They said no network is on board yet.
Personally I'm hoping for Netflix.
Hope it's not Sky, as I don't have that and satellite dishes are frowned on where I live. But hey, Sky should be available via the Internet by the time this is out.
I heard there's an Internet streaming thingy called Now TV or something that allows you to watch Sky stuff for a monthly fee without entering into a contract. That's how I'm planning to watch the forthcoming Twin Peaks episodes.
Yes but neither my set top box or telly support it. :(
Sky did announce proper Sky via tinternet for two years hence a couple of months ago.
SFX is pretty sure this won't star Karl Urban and won't be on Netflix.
The SFX story whiffs of conjecture.
This is real!
(http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/pics/mc1postercropped.jpg)
SFX is pretty sure this won't star Karl Urban and won't be on Netflix. I know it's far too early for confirmed details, but they sound like they know something no-one else seems to - unless I've missed something...
http://www.gamesradar.com/a-judge-dredd-tv-show-is-coming-but-its-not-the-karl-urban-netflix-series-everyone-wanted/#comment-jump
Yes but neither my set top box or telly support it. :(
I hope this show will not lighten fascist reality of Meg1.
SFX is pretty sure this won't star Karl Urban and won't be on Netflix. I know it's far too early for confirmed details, but they sound like they know something no-one else seems to - unless I've missed something...
http://www.gamesradar.com/a-judge-dredd-tv-show-is-coming-but-its-not-the-karl-urban-netflix-series-everyone-wanted/#comment-jump
Games Radar have nothing to do with SFX, the article is complete conjecture, and we've complained to editorial about it.
That'll teach me to pay more attention when searching the internet - a Google entry brought me to the following link...
http://www.gamesradar.com/sfx/
I don't think any old actor will do just because it's only a chin and voice, that's seriously underplaying what karl urban brought to the role. He 100% nailed it.
I don't think any old actor will do just because it's only a chin and voice, that's seriously underplaying what karl urban brought to the role. He 100% nailed it.
Agreed, and if the man's still tweeting about a role he did 6 years ago after going onto co star in Star Trek and Thor Ragnarok why wouldn't he take on Dredd again? He's proved he's perfect for the part to me, I'm sure he want's it more than anyone.
Well this is all rather marvelous news and gives us a few years of fevered conjecture to go on. Would be good to have Mr Urban back and if his schedule allowed it I'm sure he'd be keen to throw his hat into the ring, the way he's championed the cause over the years. I'm disappointed Mr Wagner has had no involvement but it's early days and I'm sure he'll be called on in some capacity (if he even wants too).
I agree - this is a man who clearly WANTS to play Dredd. And i really want him to as well.
Let's hope that they want to go in that direction, he's affordable and he's available!
I feel the same way about Olivia Thirlby, perfect for the part......and i would love to see oth of them, but it's Dredd who is pivotal rather than Anderson.
I think with todays social and political climate, they should really start with the democracy story lines and then introduce total war. Hell, Antifa basically are total war! There is plenty of scope for some great social commentary. "America" would be an awesome starting point. I'd love to see some"futsies" as well. Diary of a crazed citizen would make for an awesome episode. What is the name of that strip where a female citizen goes into a bar and literally beats a guy to death because she believes he stole her job? It then results in thousands of citizens going crazy as they all believe there'll be a new job opening. That strip would be great to show the bleakness of life in megacity one.
The Stallone Dredd had its good points and the Urban Dredd was a great film but neither was pure enough.
Moving on, I understand the appeal of rehashing the comic stories, but if rather the writers just came up with new stories of their own. What matters is that they understand the character and his world, so I'd want them to read enough of the (Tharg not IDW) comic stories so that they "get it."
On an animated Dredd, I'd watch that too, but I prefer 2D animation over 3D CGI myself.
Guessing of course, but if this has been given the go ahead on the strength of the loyal following of the 2012 Dredd movie, wouldn't it be a mistake to veer too far away from the look of that film?
The 2012 movie (for me) created a general aesthetic and city that I actually now prefer to its comic counterpart. I don't think I want the city from 1995 Judge Dredd, I want 2012 Dredd.
The practical body armour was also spot on. And finally, if we are following on from the fan support of Dredd, Karl Urban would surely be the number 1 choice. I can only hope that it happens. I don't think any old actor will do just because it's only a chin and voice, that's seriously underplaying what karl urban brought to the role. He 100% nailed it.
Guessing of course, but if this has been given the go ahead on the strength of the loyal following of the 2012 Dredd movie, wouldn't it be a mistake to veer too far away from the look of that film?
The 2012 movie (for me) created a general aesthetic and city that I actually now prefer to its comic counterpart. I don't think I want the city from 1995 Judge Dredd, I want 2012 Dredd.
The practical body armour was also spot on. And finally, if we are following on from the fan support of Dredd, Karl Urban would surely be the number 1 choice. I can only hope that it happens. I don't think any old actor will do just because it's only a chin and voice, that's seriously underplaying what karl urban brought to the role. He 100% nailed it.
Have to disagree there. Although I liked Dredd the city just didn't capture the feel of the comic Mega City to me and I thought that the Stallone film actually did the city much better (even though the film wasn't exactly a great Dredd film).
Same with the uniform. It was ok but could have been much better and I thought it looked a bit cheapo. Dredds uniform should look as cool and expensive as possible.
I like the idea of the 'Hill Street Blues' cop show as mentioned earlier
Based around a sector house with snapshots of their day.
Stallone's uniform was completely impractical, and not like anything law enforcement would actually wear (except as dress uniform maybe). Urban' saws designed to be something you could actually fight in, and it looked cool.
Stallone's uniform was completely impractical, and not like anything law enforcement would actually wear (except as dress uniform maybe). Urban' saws designed to be something you could actually fight in, and it looked cool.
Stallone's uniform was completely impractical, and not like anything law enforcement would actually wear (except as dress uniform maybe). Urban' saws designed to be something you could actually fight in, and it looked cool.
The comic uniform works brilliantly in the strip, but I think the 2012 movie style works better on film, especially if it wants to be taken seriously by the uninitiated, which face it, is going to make up the majority of the audience.
For me the 2012 uniforn was the perfect combination of practicality and comic book cool.
Certainly a very British, Pythonesque/Terry Gilliam surrealist approach to the material could be interesting.
Striking the right tonal balance, between the serious and more absurdly satirical elements will be a challenge.
Very excited to see what they cook up! :)
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
What's the betting on this thread overtaking the massive 879 page count of Goaty's 'Dredd (2012)' Thread?
As a nod to fans, two versions of Dredd's uniform could be encorporated into the show. A flashy, comic inspired uniform for formal dress occasions (like an Army officer might wear a mess kit to a formal event).
As a nod to fans, two versions of Dredd's uniform could be encorporated into the show. A flashy, comic inspired uniform for formal dress occasions (like an Army officer might wear a mess kit to a formal event). And a 'street' version - akin to the 2012 movie. I can imagine a scene where Dredd is dressed in the former and getting pissed off and narky, impatient to change back into his practical street leathers and get back on the road.I thought the same thing. No way do I want to see the Judges run around with exaggerated shoulder garment like the comics. If they are going for a proper grown up, plausible and violent show, then those would be ridiculous. By all means, the 2012 judges uniform can be tinkered with a little to give it a little bit more of a stylised look, but there's no way you should expect a street judge to perform his duty with a massive eagle and pad on each shoulder like in the comic. It'd work great as a ceremonial thing as that would work both as a little nod to the comic aesthetic as well as making some kind of real world sense. No jock strap, though.
The thing I'm more concerned about is the filming locations. If it is to be made in the UK, or near Rebellion's HQ, where will they film any outdoor sequences in the Big Meg? Surely you'd need some kind of city skyline for that like they did in Johannesburg and Cape Town?
Guessing of course, but if this has been given the go ahead on the strength of the loyal following of the 2012 Dredd movie, wouldn't it be a mistake to veer too far away from the look of that film?
The 2012 movie (for me) created a general aesthetic and city that I actually now prefer to its comic counterpart. I don't think I want the city from 1995 Judge Dredd, I want 2012 Dredd.
The practical body armour was also spot on. And finally, if we are following on from the fan support of Dredd, Karl Urban would surely be the number 1 choice. I can only hope that it happens. I don't think any old actor will do just because it's only a chin and voice, that's seriously underplaying what karl urban brought to the role. He 100% nailed it.
Have to disagree there. Although I liked Dredd the city just didn't capture the feel of the comic Mega City to me and I thought that the Stallone film actually did the city much better (even though the film wasn't exactly a great Dredd film).
Same with the uniform. It was ok but could have been much better and I thought it looked a bit cheapo. Dredds uniform should look as cool and expensive as possible.
I agree the City in Stallones Dredd was impressive..but strongly disagree about the Uniform..Urban's Judge uniform was bang on IMO..practical and combat based..exactly what you would expect a future lawman to wear on the streets
Stallone's uniform was completely impractical, and not like anything law enforcement would actually wear (except as dress uniform maybe). Urban' saws designed to be something you could actually fight in, and it looked cool.
Realism is overrated.
I don't mind the 2012 costume - but realism shouldn't be the be-all and end-all.
It can be a creative cul-de-sac, and you end up with everything looking SWAT if that's all you do.
I think there's room to get some more slight sculptural look to the pads without sacrificing practicality, get a bit of a distintive silhouette back.
More interested in the bike TBH, the costume would just be tinkering around the edges.
How about going for the original look from the very early Progs, for the eagle and shoulder pad? I.e. when they were much smaller than today. Would still be authentic to the comic and more practical than how it is now depicted.
How about going for the original look from the very early Progs, for the eagle and shoulder pad? I.e. when they were much smaller than today. Would still be authentic to the comic and more practical than how it is now depicted.
Quite a lot like the 2012 costume, you mean? All they really did was turn the eagle into a motif, added some (OK, a lot) of armour, and took away the badge chain which, even if easily detachable (which it's never been shown to be), is a bit of a daft thing to have in hand-to-hand combat.
John mentioned it on Facebook... I'm disappointed Mr Wagner has had no involvement but it's early days and I'm sure he'll be called on in some capacity (if he even wants too).
Have I missed something, did it say Wagner had no involvement yet?
Wow, can't understand any of the negative comments on the 2012 costume. That thing was as near as perfect a modern realistic representation of a judges uniform you could get.
the eagle is overly simplified (no body/legs) and only Dredd has one (and, ENTIRELY COINCIDENTALLY, another Judge he nicks the uniform off of later)
The comic uniform would just look daft if translated to the screen literally.
The comic uniform would just look daft if translated to the screen literally.
Not really. Go to any convention and have a gander at the Planet Replicas judges walking about.
The comic uniform would just look daft if translated to the screen literally.
Not really. Go to any convention and have a gander at the Planet Replicas judges walking about.
Walking about, yes, they look fantastic. 10 seconds into a fight with a futsed up street juve and both those pads would be lying on the floor and the Judge would be strangled by their own neck chain..
The comic uniform would just look daft if translated to the screen literally.
Not really. Go to any convention and have a gander at the Planet Replicas judges walking about.
Walking about, yes, they look fantastic. 10 seconds into a fight with a futsed up street juve and both those pads would be lying on the floor and the Judge would be strangled by their own neck chain..
I mean, you know if they were to fight in those uniforms in a tv show it... it wouldn't be a real fight...?
-PJ
The comic uniform would just look daft if translated to the screen literally.
Not really. Go to any convention and have a gander at the Planet Replicas judges walking about.
The comic uniform would just look daft if translated to the screen literally.
I think what I'm finding odd on this thread is that after 5 years of paying to see Dredd whenever possible on the cinema, buying multiple copies (still ongoing.....4k and mondo copy purchased) of the film, buying the book, buying the continuation of the film in comics (multiple times), buying all available merchandise, signing up for petitions....like we have all done....the huge support that the fanbase has given the 2012 film that has all helped to make this TV series a reality, what results is a lot of comment that appears to add up to "yeah, but don't make it like the 2012 film". So, change the city, change the tone, change the vehicles, change the suit, doesn't matter who plays Dredd.......really??!
I love Dredd, and I love the 2012 Dredd film. I would hope that this series is close to the 2012 film in EVERY aspect. That's why we have all been shouting for this since Dredd failed financially surely?
10 seconds into a fight with a futsed up street juve and both those pads would be lying on the floor and the Judge would be strangled by their own neck chain.
The reason for its failure at the box office has been long debated, basically with the conclusion that it's financial failure was a travesty and not indicative of its quality. It is objectively an excellent film.
A mechanism in the Lawgiver itself could instantly rearrange each bullet's molecular structure into any one of (at least) six pre-programmed configurations.
A mechanism in the Lawgiver itself could instantly rearrange each bullet's molecular structure into any one of (at least) six pre-programmed configurations.
3D printer in the handgrip. Sure while we're at it just have the rounds teleport into the chamber as needed... I didn't see much evidence of handheld on-the-fly molecular restructuring in the movie's transit-van-heavy near-future, but maybe in the MC-1 that poster hints at...
People didn't see the film because they didn't know it was on. It's a marketing issue. People who have seen it like it.I didn't see it and I knew it was on. Being a member of this board, I am obviously a fan of Dredd but I have yet to see the 2012 film because I just don't like the 'look' of it. I understand it to be very good from everyone's opinion but it just doesn't interest me. There must be many other people less aware of Dredd than myself who would similaraly glance at it and think it is not for them.
People didn't see the film because they didn't know it was on. It's a marketing issue. People who have seen it like it.I didn't see it and I knew it was on. Being a member of this board, I am obviously a fan of Dredd but I have yet to see the 2012 film because I just don't like the 'look' of it. I understand it to be very good from everyone's opinion but it just doesn't interest me. There must be many other people less aware of Dredd than myself who would similaraly glance at it and think it is not for them.
Certainly a very British, Pythonesque/Terry Gilliam surrealist approach to the material could be interesting.
Striking the right tonal balance, between the serious and more absurdly satirical elements will be a challenge.
Very excited to see what they cook up! :)
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
This is why Pat Mills was right when he said creators and editors should ignore what the fans think and just do what they think is best.
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
One of my favourite films!
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Certainly a very British, Pythonesque/Terry Gilliam surrealist approach to the material could be interesting.
Striking the right tonal balance, between the serious and more absurdly satirical elements will be a challenge.
Very excited to see what they cook up! :)
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
Yeah, Brazil was exactly what I was thinking of! :thumbsup:
Certainly a very British, Pythonesque/Terry Gilliam surrealist approach to the material could be interesting.
Striking the right tonal balance, between the serious and more absurdly satirical elements will be a challenge.
Very excited to see what they cook up! :)
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
Yeah, Brazil was exactly what I was thinking of! :thumbsup:
Eeesh, I really wouldn't want this!
People didn't see the film because they didn't know it was on. It's a marketing issue. People who have seen it like it.I didn't see it and I knew it was on. Being a member of this board, I am obviously a fan of Dredd but I have yet to see the 2012 film because I just don't like the 'look' of it. I understand it to be very good from everyone's opinion but it just doesn't interest me. There must be many other people less aware of Dredd than myself who would similaraly glance at it and think it is not for them.
Do we really need an explanation for how the Lawgiver works?Yes.
Certainly a very British, Pythonesque/Terry Gilliam surrealist approach to the material could be interesting.
Striking the right tonal balance, between the serious and more absurdly satirical elements will be a challenge.
Very excited to see what they cook up! :)
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
Yeah, Brazil was exactly what I was thinking of! :thumbsup:
Eeesh, I really wouldn't want this!
I'm not talking the look necessarily more on the tone on how the film balanced humour, satire with Orwellian horror.
Certainly a very British, Pythonesque/Terry Gilliam surrealist approach to the material could be interesting.
Striking the right tonal balance, between the serious and more absurdly satirical elements will be a challenge.
Very excited to see what they cook up! :)
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
Yeah, Brazil was exactly what I was thinking of! :thumbsup:
Eeesh, I really wouldn't want this!
I'm not talking the look necessarily more on the tone on how the film balanced humour, satire with Orwellian horror.
Admittedly, I do seem to be in a minority here, but I'm really not a fan of Brazil.
Certainly a very British, Pythonesque/Terry Gilliam surrealist approach to the material could be interesting.
Striking the right tonal balance, between the serious and more absurdly satirical elements will be a challenge.
Very excited to see what they cook up! :)
Just rewatched Brazil a couple months ago too, Terry would a great influence to have for the look of this on film, for sure.
Yeah, Brazil was exactly what I was thinking of! :thumbsup:
Eeesh, I really wouldn't want this!
I'm not talking the look necessarily more on the tone on how the film balanced humour, satire with Orwellian horror.
Admittedly, I do seem to be in a minority here, but I'm really not a fan of Brazil.
I've posted it before (and got pelters ) and I'll repeat it here:
Brazil is my least favourite film. Of all time.
Please don't make Judge Dredd Mega City One like it. In anyway. Whatsoever.
People didn't see the film because they didn't know it was on. It's a marketing issue. People who have seen it like it.I didn't see it and I knew it was on. Being a member of this board, I am obviously a fan of Dredd but I have yet to see the 2012 film because I just don't like the 'look' of it. I understand it to be very good from everyone's opinion but it just doesn't interest me. There must be many other people less aware of Dredd than myself who would similaraly glance at it and think it is not for them.
People didn't see the film because they didn't know it was on. It's a marketing issue. People who have seen it like it.
Brazil is one of those films that I've watched and wondered what I had missed that everyone else saw that often earns it the "best film ever made" comments......so I rewatch thinking it'll suddenly click with me. Still not taken to it at this point.
Oh, i also really don't like Taxi driver. Something I am also assured is "the best film ever!".
Anyway, Dredd TV series, awesome!!! 😊
Brazil is one of those films that I've watched and wondered what I had missed that everyone else saw that often earns it the "best film ever made" comments......so I rewatch thinking it'll suddenly click with me. Still not taken to it at this point.
Oh, i also really don't like Taxi driver. Something I am also assured is "the best film ever!".
Anyway, Dredd TV series, awesome!!! 😊
Maybe you just don't like Robert de Niro?
Not a huge fan of the 2012 film here either, though it has grown on me over subsequent viewings. I'm sure a compromise between the 2012 uniform and something a bit more like the comics could be found easily enough. It has to look practical, no question- but it doesn't have to BE practical. After all, no one troubles to break their piss laughing at the berk in the rubber bat suit, despite the fact that he can obviously barely move. It LOOKS like scary armour, and our suspension of disbelief does the rest.
Personally, I hope we get what is effectively Mega City NCIS, with an ensemble cast, futuristic crimes, and with Dredd in the Gibbs role- always there, but not necessarily the focus.
SBT
Brazil is one of those films that I've watched and wondered what I had missed that everyone else saw that often earns it the "best film ever made" comments......so I rewatch thinking it'll suddenly click with me. Still not taken to it at this point.
Oh, i also really don't like Taxi driver. Something I am also assured is "the best film ever!".
Anyway, Dredd TV series, awesome!!! 😊
Maybe you just don't like Robert de Niro?
No, it's not that. I love De Niro in Casino, Goodfellas, Godfather 2, Heat etc ......though I prefer Al Pacino.
I watched it Brazil quite recently and I would also say that it looks really cheap and has dated horribly in comparison to some similarly aged films. Blade Runner and Alien however both still look incredible.
Brazil is one of those films that I've watched and wondered what I had missed that everyone else saw that often earns it the "best film ever made" comments......so I rewatch thinking it'll suddenly click with me. Still not taken to it at this point.
Oh, i also really don't like Taxi driver. Something I am also assured is "the best film ever!".
Anyway, Dredd TV series, awesome!!! 😊
Maybe you just don't like Robert de Niro?
No, it's not that. I love De Niro in Casino, Goodfellas, Godfather 2, Heat etc ......though I prefer Al Pacino.
I watched it Brazil quite recently and I would also say that it looks really cheap and has dated horribly in comparison to some similarly aged films. Blade Runner and Alien however both still look incredible.
I suspect that's more budget constraints (or just... Ridley Scott).
Brazil was more expensive than Alien, though allegedly cheaper than Blade Runner.
If you're looking for the harder looking, designer sci-fi of Ridley Scott then you might think it's dated but while Brazil has its flaws, it's still more inventive than just about any Ridley Scott film - and that aspect hasn't really dated.
One big happy family...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSuMnyD6E8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSuMnyD6E8)
Just had a scary thought, what if it's based on IDW's Dredd.
filippo
The comic uniform would just look daft if translated to the screen literally. Dredd would not be able to move. Why would we want to see a bunch of judges hapless ly lumbering around under the weight of their absurd knee pads and shoulder armour. Mad max does have absurdity in it, but it all works practically.
The 2012 dredd armour contains every element of the comic uniform, it's all there, but it's done with an excellent practical approach that, Imo, makes the uniform so much better. The mighty Jock worked on that, and that's good enough for me.
Why would it be?
This is why Pat Mills was right when he said creators and editors should ignore what the fans think and just do what they think is best.
I would argue that it is the stallone uniform that looks very cheap and generally "a bit naff", the Dredd 2012 uniform looks like a real riot police/military/SWAT uniform, so much more relevant and convincing for a law enforcer in a future broken society.
It isn't a good idea to listen to fans, at all. Ever.
It isn't a good idea to listen to fans, at all. Ever.
I take it you're joking?
I couldn't think of anything worse than comics or films produced to appease the vocal fans.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
It isn't a good idea to listen to fans, at all. Ever.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
You mean apart from having Sternhammer Block, Minty, Goaty, Radiator, Commando Forces, Joe Soap, Kenny Who? and Chopper namechecked in various bits of signage or graffiti?
If the makers of Dredd listened to fans they would have shut down production shortly after the first bike and uniform images were released.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
You mean apart from having Sternhammer Block, Minty, Goaty, Radiator, Commando Forces, Joe Soap, Kenny Who? and Chopper namechecked in various bits of signage or graffiti?
Really? Seems to me Dredd has been putting names on the side of buildings for 40 years......
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
You mean apart from having Sternhammer Block, Minty, Goaty, Radiator, Commando Forces, Joe Soap, Kenny Who? and Chopper namechecked in various bits of signage or graffiti?
Really? Seems to me Dredd has been putting names on the side of buildings for 40 years......
I really don't understand your point there - you say that 2012 wasn't an exercise in fan appeasement, and I pointed out that *board members* had namechecks in the film.
That's a world of difference from throwaway gags about celebrity named blocks in the world of Dredd.
I'm not saying throwing bones to fans is a bad thing, more pointing out your statement about the 2012 Dredd and fan appeasement doesn't seem to be borne out by the sheer amount of fan nods in there.
The forum even gets a mention in the credits.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
You mean apart from having Sternhammer Block, Minty, Goaty, Radiator, Commando Forces, Joe Soap, Kenny Who? and Chopper namechecked in various bits of signage or graffiti?
Really? Seems to me Dredd has been putting names on the side of buildings for 40 years......
I really don't understand your point there - you say that 2012 wasn't an exercise in fan appeasement, and I pointed out that *board members* had namechecks in the film.
That's a world of difference from throwaway gags about celebrity named blocks in the world of Dredd.
I'm not saying throwing bones to fans is a bad thing, more pointing out your statement about the 2012 Dredd and fan appeasement doesn't seem to be borne out by the sheer amount of fan nods in there.
The forum even gets a mention in the credits.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
You mean apart from having Sternhammer Block, Minty, Goaty, Radiator, Commando Forces, Joe Soap, Kenny Who? and Chopper namechecked in various bits of signage or graffiti?
Really? Seems to me Dredd has been putting names on the side of buildings for 40 years......
I really don't understand your point there - you say that 2012 wasn't an exercise in fan appeasement, and I pointed out that *board members* had namechecks in the film.
That's a world of difference from throwaway gags about celebrity named blocks in the world of Dredd.
I'm not saying throwing bones to fans is a bad thing, more pointing out your statement about the 2012 Dredd and fan appeasement doesn't seem to be borne out by the sheer amount of fan nods in there.
The forum even gets a mention in the credits.
I take fan appeasement as something that intrudes on the story being told - fan service, etc. Blink and you miss them references that most viewers wouldn't catch unless they're specifically looking for them don't count, in my book.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
You mean apart from having Sternhammer Block, Minty, Goaty, Radiator, Commando Forces, Joe Soap, Kenny Who? and Chopper namechecked in various bits of signage or graffiti?
Really? Seems to me Dredd has been putting names on the side of buildings for 40 years......
I really don't understand your point there - you say that 2012 wasn't an exercise in fan appeasement, and I pointed out that *board members* had namechecks in the film.
That's a world of difference from throwaway gags about celebrity named blocks in the world of Dredd.
I'm not saying throwing bones to fans is a bad thing, more pointing out your statement about the 2012 Dredd and fan appeasement doesn't seem to be borne out by the sheer amount of fan nods in there.
The forum even gets a mention in the credits.
I take fan appeasement as something that intrudes on the story being told - fan service, etc. Blink and you miss them references that most viewers wouldn't catch unless they're specifically looking for them don't count, in my book.
Exactly!
Because naming boarders in a film does not influence or change the substance of the film in any way. It's a fantastic nod to the support of the fanbase, but was added after the fact - no part of the production changed course based on the opinions of fans.
They've already hinted in that interview regarding the more comedic side of Dredd's universe emerging in the series..which a few posters have alluded to wanting
Because naming boarders in a film does not influence or change the substance of the film in any way. It's a fantastic nod to the support of the fanbase, but was added after the fact - no part of the production changed course based on the opinions of fans.
"I read the 2000AD message boards through pre-production, shooting, and post-production. I never posted, because I thought it would muddy the waters. But I appreciated what I read here immensely, and paid close attention to your hopes and concerns, and found it extremely motivating. The forum was also a brilliant resource. I could always tell when a story had broken about the production, because the page count on the main thread would jump." – Alex Garland
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=36741.0
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
You mean apart from having Sternhammer Block, Minty, Goaty, Radiator, Commando Forces, Joe Soap, Kenny Who? and Chopper namechecked in various bits of signage or graffiti?
Really? Seems to me Dredd has been putting names on the side of buildings for 40 years......
I really don't understand your point there - you say that 2012 wasn't an exercise in fan appeasement, and I pointed out that *board members* had namechecks in the film.
That's a world of difference from throwaway gags about celebrity named blocks in the world of Dredd.
I'm not saying throwing bones to fans is a bad thing, more pointing out your statement about the 2012 Dredd and fan appeasement doesn't seem to be borne out by the sheer amount of fan nods in there.
The forum even gets a mention in the credits.
I take fan appeasement as something that intrudes on the story being told - fan service, etc. Blink and you miss them references that most viewers wouldn't catch unless they're specifically looking for them don't count, in my book.
Exactly!
Maybe you and I have different definitions then.
You quite often get vocal fans saying "It must be entirely faithful to the source". In which case we'd have had a ludicrous Tom Bombadil sequence in Fellowship. Hence don't listen to your fans.
Here we go again, much same as two years before Dredd 2012 release, kept positive and be happy it got green-lit!
I am saying that there is some fan appeasement in there.
As in nods to fans which didn't really need to be in there.
Anyway, I've got better things to do than argue the toss over definitions.
I get that Joe, but I don't think that it indicates that the script or the aesthetic of the movie was changed as a result of fan comment. Seriously, the lawmaster design, the modern vehicles etc were savaged on that thread, but they still appeared in the film unchanged (thankfully).
I get that Joe, but I don't think that it indicates that the script or the aesthetic of the movie was changed as a result of fan comment. Seriously, the lawmaster design, the modern vehicles etc were savaged on that thread, but they still appeared in the film unchanged (thankfully).
"I read the 2000AD message boards through pre-production, shooting, and post-production...But I appreciated what I read here immensely, and paid close attention to your hopes and concerns, and found it extremely motivating."
I think that more or less states that there was an influence all through production. Albeit one we were unaware of. To what degree something someone mentioned led to a small adjustment here or there, who knows, but this place did have some influence.
The physical bikes came late in production and couldn't be changed anyway because it was too late and they needed to shoot the scenes. Not that a production should, would or could change something they've all ready spent money on because of the opinions of a few fans but the bikes didn't come out as well as the producers hoped for, either.
Originally, the eagle was supposed to indicate senior rank and it was decided quite late in the day that only Dredd was going to have one, in order to make him look more individual (rather missing the point… again).
You can actually see that there other judges with eagles at the end of the movie:
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/Dredd_Eagles_zpsf09363b3.jpg)
And to be fair, though it's a nod to the fans, he does mention that it was "motivating" rather than informing any decisions or amendments on what he was making.
And to be fair, though it's a nod to the fans, he does mention that it was "motivating" rather than informing any decisions or amendments on what he was making.
That depends on what he was 'motivated' to do as a result. ;)
I couldn't think of anything worse than comics or films produced to appease the vocal fans.
If the makers of Dredd listened to fans they would have shut down production shortly after the first bike and uniform images were released.
I don't think anybody would say they'd like it to have been shut down but many people would say they wished they had listened about the bike and uniform.
The 2012 Dredd film is a film that is entirely faithful and respectful to its source material, it is not an exercise in fan appeasement.
I don't think anybody would say they'd like it to have been shut down but many people would say they wished they had listened about the bike and uniform.
They couldn't change them even if they wanted to – the props were made. They weren't going to shut down production and re-design the things certain fans didn't like. Can't run an expensive production that way.
Everything SIP has said on this thread is spot on. I want the TV series to be stylistically as close to the 2012 film as possible (except with better vehicles, and some roads in the sky between the blocks).Agreed. Not meaning to keep beating that long beaten dead horse any further (we've got at least a year before we might even hear about any details regarding the thing, so why not anyway?), it literally does boil down to what looks right for screen, rather than what fans want to see, which is the big eagle and the other big shoulder pad, which does what exactly? I've no doubt that this TV show is only being made because of the cult status that Dredd 2012 has now received. 5 years on, it's washed away the awful memories of the '95 Stallone bollocks, and the last thing people want is to be reminded of that travesty by having judges prance about in a gritty, realistic setting (even if it is set in the future, its still going to be pretty grounded to look at for the most part) with what amounts to ridiculously camp shoulder bling.
I do understand why people want the eagle to be more prominent, but I recall reading that when they tried it it was too cumbersome. They want a uniform that you could fight and roll around in. If the pad was any bigger you couldn't even raise your arms above your shoulders.
I couldn't think of anything worse than comics or films produced to appease the vocal fans.
Tell that to the makers of that awful Thunderbirds film (who ignored the fans and made Spy Kids instead)
Tell that to George Lucas who followed his own nose and produced the medicocre prequels aimed at 5 year olds instead of making something more like Empire Strikes Back which is a fan favourite.
And of course Dredd was such a success in the cinema's wasn't it. :( Nobody's saying that everything the fans say has to be taken into consideration or done or is always right........but ignore the fans at your peril. Sometimes fans do make some good points believe it or not and everyone in this thread is a fan.
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Tell that to George Lucas who followed his own nose and produced the medicocre prequels aimed at 5 year olds instead of making something more like Empire Strikes Back which is a fan favourite.
I'm not a Star Wars prequel hater, so can't get on board with the Lucas bashing. Force Awakens was very much an exercise in fan appeasement and there has been a fair amount of criticism and backlash against it for that very reason. One of the prequels at least is a great star wars film (imo) and surpasses force awakens or the turgid Rogue One. I have nothing but respect for Lucas wanting to make the films that he actually wanted to rather than just churning out "more of the same". I think it's a shame that he isn't more involved in the Disney efforts.
I'd love to see something like Graveyard Shift, just Dredd and co. handling calls nonstop for an episode. Then he briefly goes in the sleep machine, and goes right back out onto the streets. Wouldn't be the first episode, but it'd be cool to see somewhere in there.
Not to get ahead of ourselves, but I'd love to see Judge Death! But that feels like a season 2 kind of thing, not that I'd complain if he showed up early. And I'd enjoy it if his first appearance is just one or two episodes, kind of like how it was a relatively brief story in the comics. And may not appear again for a year or two.
Not wanting to get mired in the 'comic uniform' versus 'realistic uniform' debate too much, but for those of you who cosplay at conventions, just how bulky are the uniforms you wear? Do you feel you could run, jump, duck, squat or climb in them? Leave the weight of the armour out of it for the moment, as with 82 years between the present day and 2099 I'd expect materials science to develop harder but lighter substances. This question goes out to comic, 2012 and rubber chicken wearers (are there any 1995 cosplayers, I don't recall seeing any photos).
I'd love to see something like Graveyard Shift, just Dredd and co. handling calls nonstop for an episode. Then he briefly goes in the sleep machine, and goes right back out onto the streets. Wouldn't be the first episode, but it'd be cool to see somewhere in there.
Not to get ahead of ourselves, but I'd love to see Judge Death! But that feels like a season 2 kind of thing, not that I'd complain if he showed up early. And I'd enjoy it if his first appearance is just one or two episodes, kind of like how it was a relatively brief story in the comics. And may not appear again for a year or two.
Wasn't it the plan to leave Judge Death to the second Dredd 2012 film? And I'm sure I've read somewhere in the past 22 years that there was a similar plan for the Judge Dredd 1995 film. Seems like if you want to include Dark Judges then put them in from the beginning :-)
In an effort to keep this thread positive...
Just imagine some years from now - having multiple seasons of a Judge Dredd TV series sitting on your bluray/DVD shelf. Incredible times we live in. Who would've thunk it?
Not wanting to get mired in the 'comic uniform' versus 'realistic uniform' debate too much, but for those of you who cosplay at conventions, just how bulky are the uniforms you wear? Do you feel you could run, jump, duck, squat or climb in them? Leave the weight of the armour out of it for the moment, as with 82 years between the present day and 2099 I'd expect materials science to develop harder but lighter substances. This question goes out to comic, 2012 and rubber chicken wearers (are there any 1995 cosplayers, I don't recall seeing any photos).
Really excited about this show but it looks like rebellion are putting the money into this and then selling it on via IM for distribution if it doesn't work out wouldn't their be a big financial loss at stake which could effect the company ?
In an effort to keep this thread positive...
Just imagine some years from now - having multiple seasons of a Judge Dredd TV series sitting on your bluray/DVD shelf. Incredible times we live in. Who would've thunk it?
In an effort to keep this thread positive...
Just imagine some years from now - having multiple seasons of a Judge Dredd TV series sitting on your bluray/DVD shelf. Incredible times we live in. Who would've thunk it?
Ooh yeah...
Really excited about this show but it looks like rebellion are putting the money into this and then selling it on via IM for distribution if it doesn't work out wouldn't their be a big financial loss at stake which could effect the company ?
with Kingsley aiming to be “well above” the £1m an hour budget a major TV show demands. “If everything goes according to plan, we’re going to make one of the most expensive TV shows the UK has ever seen.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/11/judge-dredd-mega-city-one-set-to-dispense-tv-justice
Not wanting to get mired in the 'comic uniform' versus 'realistic uniform' debate too much, but for those of you who cosplay at conventions, just how bulky are the uniforms you wear? Do you feel you could run, jump, duck, squat or climb in them? Leave the weight of the armour out of it for the moment, as with 82 years between the present day and 2099 I'd expect materials science to develop harder but lighter substances. This question goes out to comic, 2012 and rubber chicken wearers (are there any 1995 cosplayers, I don't recall seeing any photos).
I don't wear them but have plenty of experience of shooting with them both on Minty and ref photos for Dark Justice.
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We had John Burdis rolling along the floor after Minty comes off the bike - It's not ideal for stunts, but not as bad as the 1995 costume which is more of a single lump.
In other news - is the TV series out yet, it seems like we've been waiting the two years by now. Must be soon, right?
In other news - is the TV series out yet, it seems like we've been waiting the two years by now. Must be soon, right?
It's on right now! I'm sure this must be it - Penelope Keith's just moved out of her big posh house to a smaller place down the drive. Dredd's bound to turn up any minute.
Any minute now.
....any minute....
In other news - is the TV series out yet, it seems like we've been waiting the two years by now. Must be soon, right?It's on right now! I'm sure this must be it - Penelope Keith's just moved out of her big posh house to a smaller place down the drive. Dredd's bound to turn up any minute.
In other news - is the TV series out yet, it seems like we've been waiting the two years by now. Must be soon, right?It's on right now! I'm sure this must be it - Penelope Keith's just moved out of her big posh house to a smaller place down the drive. Dredd's bound to turn up any minute.
Nah, you're watching the wrong channel. If you switch over you'll see there's someone handing out iso-cube sentences all over the place like they're going out of fashion. Must be from Wally squad because he's not in full regs. Name's Pinder (or something like it; can't see his badge clearly). Must be waiting for back-up -- Dredd'll turn up in a minute.
Any minute now ...
... any minute ...
Almeria seems to be the nearest desert/western place outside the UK. The actor who plays Wulf in our thing is shooting over there at the moment.
If they must shoot in the UK, then it's basically quarries + CG to extend it.
Almeria seems to be the nearest desert/western place outside the UK. The actor who plays Wulf in our thing is shooting over there at the moment.
If they must shoot in the UK, then it's basically quarries + CG to extend it.
Where Alex Cox shot "Straight to Hell" with a cast including Shane MacGowan, inspiring the wonderful Pogues song "Fiesta".
Almeria seems to be the nearest desert/western place outside the UK. The actor who plays Wulf in our thing is shooting over there at the moment.
If they must shoot in the UK, then it's basically quarries + CG to extend it.
Where Alex Cox shot "Straight to Hell" with a cast including Shane MacGowan, inspiring the wonderful Pogues song "Fiesta".
That movie is pretty cool! And his classic Repo Man is one of my top favs. Get him to direct an episode of Judge Dredd maybe. :)
I couldn't think of anything worse than comics or films produced to appease the vocal fans.
Tell that to the makers of that awful Thunderbirds film (who ignored the fans and made Spy Kids instead)
Tell that to George Lucas who followed his own nose and produced the medicocre prequels aimed at 5 year olds instead of making something more like Empire Strikes Back which is a fan favourite.
And of course Dredd was such a success in the cinema's wasn't it. :( Nobody's saying that everything the fans say has to be taken into consideration or done or is always right........but ignore the fans at your peril. Sometimes fans do make some good points believe it or not and everyone in this thread is a fan.
Thunderbird film was not faithful to the source material. It decided to do something different and failed as a result. It was not rubbish because it didn't listen to fans, it was rubbish because it wasn't thunderbirds.
I'm not a Star Wars prequel hater, so can't get on board with the Lucas bashing. Force Awakens was very much an exercise in fan appeasement and there has been a fair amount of criticism and backlash against it for that very reason. One of the prequels at least is a great star wars film (imo) and surpasses force awakens or the turgid Rogue One. I have nothing but respect for Lucas wanting to make the films that he actually wanted to rather than just churning out "more of the same". I think it's a shame that he isn't more involved in the Disney efforts.
Again, I found Dredd captured the spirit of Judge Dredd perfectly and it certainly did not fail for nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.
If we have a television series because of the growing cult of Dredd 2012, then this show would be ill advised to veer too far from that or risk alienating the broader fan base of that film. Why jeopardise a hard earned ready-audience? It just seems like a no brained to me.
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Tell that to George Lucas who followed his own nose and produced the medicocre prequels aimed at 5 year olds instead of making something more like Empire Strikes Back which is a fan favourite.
I'm not a Star Wars prequel hater, so can't get on board with the Lucas bashing. Force Awakens was very much an exercise in fan appeasement and there has been a fair amount of criticism and backlash against it for that very reason. One of the prequels at least is a great star wars film (imo) and surpasses force awakens or the turgid Rogue One. I have nothing but respect for Lucas wanting to make the films that he actually wanted to rather than just churning out "more of the same". I think it's a shame that he isn't more involved in the Disney efforts.
Leaving aside that Empire Strikes Back had already been made and is still available to watch for those that can't get enough, the Lucas 'misstep' of the prequels took $2.5 billon worldwide, and that's just box-office, probably a drop in the overall ocean. He subsequently sold Lucasfilm for $4 billion. Like 'em or loathe 'em, the prequels were a success, but incidentally got progressively worse the more Lucas listened to the whining of so-called fans until he plainly couldn't give a monkey's by the end.
Fans are morons: if they were any judge of what they actually wanted and how to deliver it from a financial, technical and artistic standpoint they'd be making their own films themselves, instead of entitled rants on YouTube.
with Kingsley aiming to be “well above” the £1m an hour budget a major TV show demands. “If everything goes according to plan, we’re going to make one of the most expensive TV shows the UK has ever seen.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/11/judge-dredd-mega-city-one-set-to-dispense-tv-justice
I love that they're really thinking big with this one. I hope it's a rip-roaring success.
As Malcolm McLaren says in The Great Rock & Roll Swindle, "Don't think in tens - think in hundreds!"
As soon as Thunderbirds fans found out about what they were doing they were vocal about it and the studios ignored them and Gerry Anderson.
I couldn't think of anything worse than comics or films produced to appease the vocal fans.
Tell that to the makers of that awful Thunderbirds film (who ignored the fans and made Spy Kids instead)
Tell that to George Lucas who followed his own nose and produced the medicocre prequels aimed at 5 year olds instead of making something more like Empire Strikes Back which is a fan favourite.
And of course Dredd was such a success in the cinema's wasn't it. :( Nobody's saying that everything the fans say has to be taken into consideration or done or is always right........but ignore the fans at your peril. Sometimes fans do make some good points believe it or not and everyone in this thread is a fan.
Thunderbird film was not faithful to the source material. It decided to do something different and failed as a result. It was not rubbish because it didn't listen to fans, it was rubbish because it wasn't thunderbirds.
I'm not a Star Wars prequel hater, so can't get on board with the Lucas bashing. Force Awakens was very much an exercise in fan appeasement and there has been a fair amount of criticism and backlash against it for that very reason. One of the prequels at least is a great star wars film (imo) and surpasses force awakens or the turgid Rogue One. I have nothing but respect for Lucas wanting to make the films that he actually wanted to rather than just churning out "more of the same". I think it's a shame that he isn't more involved in the Disney efforts.
Again, I found Dredd captured the spirit of Judge Dredd perfectly and it certainly did not fail for nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.
If we have a television series because of the growing cult of Dredd 2012, then this show would be ill advised to veer too far from that or risk alienating the broader fan base of that film. Why jeopardise a hard earned ready-audience? It just seems like a no brained to me.
As soon as Thunderbirds fans found out about what they were doing they were vocal about it and the studios ignored them and Gerry Anderson. As for Force Awakens well fans were asking for a good movie.......not a remake of A New Hope (which Force Awakens was to a large extent) and they've been vocal about that ever since too.
On the other hand Rogue One (which I'm surprised you found turgid) was very well received by critics and fans alike. And pleasing the fans was one of the definite aims of Rogue One.
And you say --- nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.
A big chunk of the prospective audience are Judge Dredd fans and they most certainly will have a clue.
Mmm... Edger Wright just post that on Instagram with picture of you-know-know and no word...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUE1Z5sF4T4/?taken-by=edgar_wright&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BUE1Z5sF4T4/?taken-by=edgar_wright&hl=en)
Mmm... Edger Wright just post that on Instagram with picture of you-know-know and no word...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUE1Z5sF4T4/?taken-by=edgar_wright&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BUE1Z5sF4T4/?taken-by=edgar_wright&hl=en)
I thought he was currently working on another property...
This show will live or die on the relative sizes of the Lawmaster Wheels and Judges' shoulder pads
Heh. I'm amused that we're pretty much talking about the same stuff we did when we knew the film was being produced. (Was it really 7 years ago? Feels like 2 or 3 years to me at most.)
2012 so that makes it by my poor maths 5 years. Stil a long time.
And you say --- nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.
A big chunk of the prospective audience are Judge Dredd fans and they most certainly will have a clue.
And you say --- nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.
A big chunk of the prospective audience are Judge Dredd fans and they most certainly will have a clue.
How big a chunk, exactly? Not sure what the current readership of 2000ad is but I don't think it's a significant proportion of the 650,000 people who bought the dvd or blu-ray.
And you say --- nonsense like "the bike didn't look right", when 99% of the prospective audience wouldn't have the first clue what Dredd, his bike or his city would look like in the first place.
A big chunk of the prospective audience are Judge Dredd fans and they most certainly will have a clue.
How big a chunk, exactly? Not sure what the current readership of 2000ad is but I don't think it's a significant proportion of the 650,000 people who bought the dvd or blu-ray.
I would say those sales surpass a million, and the readership must only be a small fraction of that.
On top of that, only a small fraction of the readership posts on this forum.
Apart from an issue here and there I haven't bought it regularly since the 70s.
Let the talented creators, writers and Rebellion do what they do and it'll all be cool!
Let the talented creators, writers and Rebellion do what they do and it'll all be cool!
You've been on the internet before, right? :-)
Let the talented creators, writers and Rebellion do what they do and it'll all be cool!
Sorry man! It'll all move on shortly and we can get back to debating chain link count 😊
I, for one, will boycott the programme and picket Rebellion if the wrong number of links is used. I haven't decided what that number is but, be sure, it will be the definitive number.
I, for one, will boycott the programme and picket Rebellion if the wrong number of links is used. I haven't decided what that number is but, be sure, it will be the definitive number.
Simply put, the correct number of links is the one that the chain has in the comic. How could you go wrong?
What if there is no chain???!!!!! :o
What if there is no chain???!!!!! :o
Then it's Judge Harvey and the Mechanismos.
Thanks Steve - just waiting for the pwls bot to tell us how active he could get in the rubber chicken jimp suit...
Apart from an issue here and there I haven't bought it regularly since the 70s.
And yet, here you are, spaffing on about the 'right' way to do Dredd. You're quite the authority.
I bought the comic right from the first issue in the 70s up until about the end of 79/80 and bought issues off an on from that.
Maybe you think you're an authority on Dredd seeing as you don't seem to like other points of view?
I see so anybody who puts forward their point of view is 'spaffing' their authority? I don't have to have read every issue to know quite a bit about Dredd. I bought the comic right from the first issue in the 70s up until about the end of 79/80 and bought issues off an on from that.
Maybe you think you're an authority on Dredd seeing as you don't seem to like other points of view?
I bought the comic right from the first issue in the 70s up until about the end of 79/80 and bought issues off an on from that.
Gosh! You bought the comic regularly for the first 2-3 years (during Dredd's formative phase, forty years ago) and then couldn't be bothered after that? You're just the sort of 'fan' every publisher needs!Maybe you think you're an authority on Dredd seeing as you don't seem to like other points of view?
I haven't offered any opinion on what approach the TV series should take, so I'm clearly not setting myself up as an authority. I'm pointing out that the early years of Dredd were very much a work in progress, with a lot of shit thrown at the wall that didn't stick. The idea that you get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be in this context is laughable.
I see so anybody who puts forward their point of view is 'spaffing' their authority? I don't have to have read every issue to know quite a bit about Dredd. I bought the comic right from the first issue in the 70s up until about the end of 79/80 and bought issues off an on from that.
Maybe you think you're an authority on Dredd seeing as you don't seem to like other points of view?
Wow... okay you the expert, how the Dredd series would be better?
And whose saying I get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be? Ever heard of something called an opinion?
And whose saying I get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be? Ever heard of something called an opinion?
Don't worry, ABCwarBOT -- you haven't done anything wrong. Everybody here gets a bit tired & emotional when it comes to Dredd appearing on-screen. Blows are exchanged and apologies usually handed-out afterwards.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f6/f6b58d80f9bda9a43b6ee9c4698970102575ad4e2a5f0f542c2d4ff9a4db9362.jpg) (https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Probably not though. It's not that ABCwarBOT is not entitled to have an opinion, of course he is (assuming a "he"), it's the generally aggressive and condescending way that it's been communicated to other forum members that has been the problem.
Its not Dredd 2, but we hope that you'll be excited by the next announcement ; )
Urban confirmed maybe?!
Urban confirmed maybe?!
This far out, without a shooting schedule or even scripts, I'd be amazed if Urban could commit even if he wanted to. I'd be delighted if he did, though…!
It says not Dredd 2...
Agree on all points, there. With the possible very minor exception of the rather cold-blooded execution of Ma-Ma, I felt I was watching Judge Dredd throughout: turns out all the rest was just trappings.Even the Ma-Ma ending is in keeping with some versions of Dredd. There are plenty of times where in the past he's killed people in fairly brutal ways and snarling at them. (That tends to happen less these days, admittedly.)
For my money the Hellboy movies are more enjoyable than the comics they sort-of adapt (see also: Iron Man, Avengers etc), and I bet there are many people who feel the same way about Dredd. Given the size of the readership, that's essential.I much prefer the Hellboy comics, which are probably my favourite run of any comics (to the point I double dipped on those ludicrously expensive Library editions), but I really liked the movies anyway (and from an entertainment perspective, they're more fun than the thoughtful nature of a lot of the main comics run). I even bought the two animations, which were pretty good as well. (I recall one hangs together a lot better than the other – but not which one's which!)
Edgar Wright has been angling to do Strontium Dog since before Shaun of the Dead, had a meeting with John and Carlos last year and posted a pic of the Dredd vs Death statue from the Rebellion office, as mentioned by Goaty.
So it could be that.
Or it could be connected to Rogue Trooper.
Jason has hinted that other IPs other than Dredd may be in the offing.
It says not Dredd 2...
I can read ;)
But it also says we will be excited by the next announcement
I was speculating on whether Karl is on board for the tv series
If not..wonder what it can be?!
It says not Dredd 2...
I can read ;)
But it also says we will be excited by the next announcement
I was speculating on whether Karl is on board for the tv series
If not..wonder what it can be?!
OK, could be reading this the wrong way - they seem to be saying it's not a sequel to the person who asked if it's a reboot or sequel.
So the next announcement could be anything, writers, maybe directors interested.
Its not Dredd 2, but we hope that you'll be excited by the next announcement ; )
Rebellion just posted this on Twitter
Urban confirmed maybe?!
Pat's Millsverse page has also posted about an announcement today, but I'd think that's more likely to be an autobiography.
An endless regurgitation of stories and characters I already know would begin to grate eventually.
Lots of great plotlines which could be followed, such as Orlok infiltrating the city, Hershey in her last few months/years at the Academy, Cal's descent into madness, Call-Me-Kenneth's rise to dissatisfied sentience, oh Lordy!
Cal's descent into madness
Lots of great plotlines which could be followed, such as Orlok infiltrating the city, Hershey in her last few months/years at the Academy, Cal's descent into madness, Call-Me-Kenneth's rise to dissatisfied sentience, oh Lordy!
I love ALL of those ideas Sharky!
Cal's descent into madness
Much as I'd love to see all the greats on screen, this is the one I could live without. It'd have to be adapted to the point of being unrecognisable.
Personally, I'd prefer to see the Sinfield kind of corruption going on.
And whose saying I get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be? Ever heard of something called an opinion?
Don't worry, ABCwarBOT -- you haven't done anything wrong. Everybody here gets a bit tired & emotional when it comes to Dredd appearing on-screen. Blows are exchanged and apologies usually handed-out afterwards.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f6/f6b58d80f9bda9a43b6ee9c4698970102575ad4e2a5f0f542c2d4ff9a4db9362.jpg) (https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Probably not though. It's not that ABCwarBOT is not entitled to have an opinion, of course he is (assuming a "he"), it's the generally aggressive and condescending way that it's been communicated to other forum members that has been the problem.
You can also appreciate that it's obviously going to be inflammatory for a self confessed casual reader (and no offence is implied in that statement) to turn up and appear to start telling the 40-year crowd exactly how Dredd should be done right. It would be fair to say ABCWARBOT that you are preaching to an audience that include people who have pretty much read EVERY Dredd story ever published. It doesn't make us right, because there is no "right" (see my earlier Rants on not listening to fans!), but im sure that you can understand why it might get people's backs up.
Let's get back to the far more important chain links problem.......Ron Smith drew loads! 😊
And whose saying I get to tell anyone what Dredd should or shouldn't be? Ever heard of something called an opinion?
Don't worry, ABCwarBOT -- you haven't done anything wrong. Everybody here gets a bit tired & emotional when it comes to Dredd appearing on-screen. Blows are exchanged and apologies usually handed-out afterwards.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f6/f6b58d80f9bda9a43b6ee9c4698970102575ad4e2a5f0f542c2d4ff9a4db9362.jpg) (https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Lots of great plotlines which could be followed, such as Orlok infiltrating the city, Hershey in her last few months/years at the Academy, Cal's descent into madness, Call-Me-Kenneth's rise to dissatisfied sentience, oh Lordy!
I love ALL of those ideas Sharky!
Trying to adapt Judge Cal would kill the series.
I gotta say I'm shocked by how 'casual' 'Mega-City One - TV show announced!' posters like hazy efc just appear on here after what.....nearly 28 pages posting about Urban. Bah the cheek. Z ;)To be fair mate I did hear something over the weekend about the new TV show but after the whole Dredd sequel headache I didn't even bother to check out whether the TV show was an actual thing my hopes have been dashed enough in the past😢, but the TV show is actually happening so all's good in the world 👍
Sinfield was great in this role, I'd like to see a similar interdepartment threat in the show...
On arresting Dredd, quite a few things don't work unless you have the foundations set first. Fans often clamour for Death but he makes no sense without knowledge of Dredd, and nor do things like Mechanismo, Cal and 'doubts' about the system. As noted, this was the key problem with the Stallone film – there's no drama in Dredd being arrested within a few minutes. In season six of a TV show though...
...all the way up to 219
I bet there's a lot of repetition and it's very hard to keep things original and fresh after so many issues.How would you know?
I bet there's a lot of repetition and it's very hard to keep things original and fresh after so many issues.How would you know?
Quote : ABCWARBOT:
"I still know a lot about Dredd and that the character is still pretty much the same as when he started"
Death can work, since having out of nowhere crazy things happen is the status quo in the comics. I wouldn't put it near the beginning of the first seasonThat was my caveat too. Death works when you have something to compare him to. Shoving him in right at the start makes no sense. (I also liked the way he was introduced in the comic, like a bolt from the blue. I'm not sure you need any foreshadowing. Just drop him in one week and play.)
Quote : ABCWARBOT:What's the saying? Something like Judge Dredd changes like a glacier. From week to week, it's not obvious, but read a contemporary Dredd and it's a world away from the classic era, and especially from the Silver days. Dredd's gone from essentially being a yes-man for the system, to trying to reform it in his image of justice, to more recently recognising that changes might be coming (through the likes of America Jara). His stance on various issues, as SIP says, has very much softened. He's still a hard-arse for the most part, but I imagine if the Dredd of today somehow met his counterpart from 2100, he'd think him a bit of a dick.
"I still know a lot about Dredd and that the character is still pretty much the same as when he started"
If you follow the John Wagner continuity of Dredd, I would argue that the character has changed over the decades as he has grown old. His views have softened, such as his views on mutants, democracy, the judge system etc.
The doubts Dredd has with the system would not be well served in a movie as it would need a longer run time to do justice, but a TV series could use it effectively.Doubts need a trigger, and a trigger only works when you have familiarity with the system. There's a sense of groundwork for that perhaps happening in the movie: Anderson in particular tries a more human approach. (There's also an accelerated take on the glacier, in Dredd's opinion of Anderson shifting as she proves her worth.)
https://2000ad.com/post/1794
Jason Kingsley answers the Karl Urban question. It's not bad news.
Jason Kingsley answers the Karl Urban question.I can't watch videos at work, what does he say?
Jason Kingsley answers the Karl Urban question.I can't watch videos at work, what does he say?
Jason Kingsley answers the Karl Urban question.I can't watch videos at work, what does he say?
Basically that they really would like Karl Urban (and Olivia Thirlby) to return, and he's keen too, but it's too early to plan or confirm anything.
But then brian Jenkins went on to say that this isn't going to be Dredd 2 which makes me think were getting new actors to play Dredd & Anderson and that's if Anderson shows up at all, but fingers crossed that Karl & Olivia reprise there rolls that'd be fantastic if they did.Jason Kingsley answers the Karl Urban question.I can't watch videos at work, what does he say?
Basically that they really would like Karl Urban (and Olivia Thirlby) to return, and he's keen too, but it's too early to plan or confirm anything.
Do they explicitly say it's not in the same reality, or just that it's not a sequel to the film?
Do they explicitly say it's not in the same reality, or just that it's not a sequel to the film?
Explicitly not the same reality as the film.
They talk about wanting to take the best elements from the Stallone film (look of the city, wacky future elements) and the Urban film (gritty, hard) and create a hybrid.
Also discussed having a mix of screenwriters and actual 2000 AD script droids working on the storylines.
All sounds very exciting.
Do they explicitly say it's not in the same reality, or just that it's not a sequel to the film?
Explicitly not the same reality as the film.
They talk about wanting to take the best elements from the Stallone film (look of the city, wacky future elements) and the Urban film (gritty, hard) and create a hybrid.
Also discussed having a mix of screenwriters and actual 2000 AD script droids working on the storylines.
All sounds very exciting.
Thats really deflating news for me, as I am firmly in the camp of wanting to see any continuation of the 2012 film.
I guess this news now officially kills that ever happening, so i guess I'll go into mourning now.
No more "Dredd" :-(
Wait up SIP, if they were or are actively thinking of taking on Urban and Thirlby then extremely strong elements of the 12 movie would have to pull through with that. Z
Wait up SIP, if they were or are actively thinking of taking on Urban and Thirlby then extremely strong elements of the 12 movie would have to pull through with that. Z
Urban should guest occasionally as Fargo or play the original Rico for an episode or two. Best, I think, to move beyond him playing Dredd under the circumstances. He did a great job in the 2012 film but that's over with now so I think it's time to move on.
Quote : ABCWARBOT:Isn't this the person who's only read a few stories since the 70's?
"I still know a lot about Dredd and that the character is still pretty much the same as when he started"
I think they mention 13 hours a season in the podcast.
Tordel makes a good point (as ever). The city can be utterly different in different places. Like any large city there can be the utter hopelessness of Peach Trees and bright futuristic hubs.They mention this concept in the podcast too
LOL, I'm an OK generalist and getting something for nothing, but I can't imagine myself working on a big production.
LOL, I'm an OK generalist and getting something for nothing, but I can't imagine myself working on a big production.It is very thrilling.
Quote : ABCWARBOT:Isn't this the person who's only read a few stories since the 70's?
"I still know a lot about Dredd and that the character is still pretty much the same as when he started"
That's inaccurate to the original poster and unfair: you don't need to have read many Batman or Spider-man comics in the last 30 years to have a good idea of what those characters are about.
Heavy Metal Kid 'Call-me-Burdis' goes on the rampage and stomps towards Pete Wells Block.
To be played Godzilla style by CF in a robot suit smashing the crap out of miniature buildings.
+++CALL-ME-BURDIS WILL NOT BEHAVE+++
As I'm typing, they've just spoken about having a massive budget in terms of Telly.
They've yet to get a budget.
(https://theulsterfry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/yellowpack-resized.jpg)No bog roll?
I don't think they'll be any robots, mutants or aliens as they're expensive to make and this is a TV show. Budgets must limit the scale inevitably till it's judged a success. Still, that leaves plenty of storylines available to the creators and it's more than likely they have their own ideas since they'd hardly take on the expense of producing a TV series without some game plan in mind.
If shows like Doctor Who can knock out creatures and robots on a regular basis, I'm sure the supposedly big budget of this new Judge Dredd series will manage it too.
Wait up SIP, if they were or are actively thinking of taking on Urban and Thirlby then extremely strong elements of the 12 movie would have to pull through with that. Z
I'll have to hope for the best, but using the best elements from 1995 Judge Dredd is not what I was hoping for, the Dredd 2012 tone and city were really exciting and had an amazing oppressive, city on the brink of chaos feel. The city in Judge Dredd 1995 plays more to the light hearted, comedic elements of Dredd which I have less interest in nowadays.
I'm sure it'll be great, but what I have always been excited for is the continuation of Dredd 2012, rather than a new continuity, lighter, Judge Dredd series.
So, not party time for me. But happy for those who wanted a different direction.
Do they explicitly say it's not in the same reality, or just that it's not a sequel to the film?
Explicitly not the same reality as the film.
They talk about wanting to take the best elements from the Stallone film (look of the city, wacky future elements) and the Urban film (gritty, hard) and create a hybrid.
Also discussed having a mix of screenwriters and actual 2000 AD script droids working on the storylines.
All sounds very exciting.
Quote : ABCWARBOT:Isn't this the person who's only read a few stories since the 70's?
"I still know a lot about Dredd and that the character is still pretty much the same as when he started"
That's inaccurate to the original poster and unfair: you don't need to have read many Batman or Spider-man comics in the last 30 years to have a good idea of what those characters are about.
The guys on the Megacast said they are listening to the fans so the campaign begins here:
For the love of Grud, ditch the dweeb!
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Max Normal too please! Any recurring fun character is something they could play around with.
The guys on the Megacast said they are listening to the fans so the campaign begins here:I know some fans don't like Walter but they could have him in the show and drop the W bits. He could just be called Walter the Robot.
For the love of Grud, ditch the dweeb!
I'm really hoping with the violent nature of Dredd that this series is going to be more pitched at a walking dead TV show level. . . . Walter is a character aimed at children under 10.
Walter (and Max Normal) I can live without. I get why long time readers have a nostalgic place in their hearts for them, but would they really work for general viewers? You'd need a very soft touch with them as they are marmite even for prog readers.
The tone of the comic is all over the place, which is fine because its read over a long period and its what readers expect and enjoy. I don't think TV viewers would know what was happening if there was a comedy robot saga one week and a brutal drug bust the next.Indeed. It could end up being like the X-Files reboot, in that it felt like fan service, but was just a shambles overall as it veered from the sinister, dark overtones of the original 90's series, to the "what the fuck is this shit?" whacky comedy schlock. It ended up being a sort of "pick'n'mix" of a mess. No anthology style, tone meandering. I think it needs to pick one tone, with sprinkles and nods to the comic here and there.
Obviously there needs to be room for Sensitive Klegg, though.
or terrifying (Boston Dynamics)
Early Dredd transplanted directly to screen would feel like a cartoon to me.
"They sent a slamhound on Turner's trail in New Delhi, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZPRsrwumQ)Even creepier: their Happy Holidays horror show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZu04v7_hc).
Absolutely. There's also a heavy nostalgia factor among readers for the early Dredds. When you read them fresh you soon realise that a lot of them haven't stood the test of time.I enjoy reading old Dredds but they do feel relatively one-dimensional. Thing is, that's the Dredd a lot of people remember and clamour after. I can't imagine it'd hold up well on the telly across 13+ hours though.
Maybe the timeline will pick up after Dredd 2012 stories in Meg mags?
Just gimme some Oola Blint episodes...!
Awful lots of Do want it and Don't want it on here.
Nah, sorry - I'm one of those that want to see the muties, robots, Dark Judges and things that go bump in the night. They're as much a part of Dredd's history as the police procedurals and we shouldn't feel embarrassed by them.
Nah, sorry - I'm one of those that want to see the muties, robots, Dark Judges and things that go bump in the night. They're as much a part of Dredd's history as the police procedurals and we shouldn't feel embarrassed by them.
Hallelujah! My Mega-City One is a place of fatties, aliens, talking gorillas, sensitive kleggs, uglies, simps, and buisness men with shark heads.
Nah, sorry - I'm one of those that want to see the muties, robots, Dark Judges and things that go bump in the night. They're as much a part of Dredd's history as the police procedurals and we shouldn't feel embarrassed by them.
Hallelujah! My Mega-City One is a place of fatties, aliens, talking gorillas, sensitive kleggs, uglies, simps, and buisness men with shark heads.
The tone should be serious with an undercurrent of nihilistic black humour.
The tone should be serious with an undercurrent of nihilistic black humour.
I believe a monotone representation of MC-1 would limit stories, be quite boring, and ultimately wouldn't last very long. The key is in the title, it's Judge Dredd: MEGA-CITY ONE - with emphasis on the latter.
It's a mistake to presume a version Mega City-1 with a fuller range of moods and tones on-screen wouldn't work. It can't really be written-off just because no one has ever tried doing it. I think a broader idea of Dredd and his world would actually be the opposite of an audience turn-off.
I'd hate to see this turn into C.S.I.-M.C.1 - the aliens, robots, nuclear warheads, radioactive plagues and mutants are mundane, run-of-the-mill things in MC1 and should be treated as such by both writers and characters.
The tone should be serious with an undercurrent of nihilistic black humour.
I believe a monotone representation of MC-1 would limit stories, be quite boring, and ultimately wouldn't last very long. The key is in the title, it's Judge Dredd: MEGA-CITY ONE - with emphasis on the latter.
It's a mistake to presume a version Mega City-1 with a fuller range of moods and tones on-screen wouldn't work. It can't really be written-off just because no one has ever tried doing it. I think a broader idea of Dredd and his world would actually be the opposite of an audience turn-off.
I have a box set of s5 of TWD sat on the shelf, lasted about one episode.
GOT has enough fun, and the thought that it's a finite story which keeps me engaged.
Is that Rob Schneider? You want Walter voiced by Rob Schneider? *shudder*
Is that Rob Schneider? You want Walter voiced by Rob Schneider? *shudder*And Maria. That could work. Opens up the chance of a spin-off series. Walter & Maria.
I have a box set of s5 of TWD sat on the shelf, lasted about one episode.
GOT has enough fun, and the thought that it's a finite story which keeps me engaged.
Walking Dead, with exception of the most recent series which fell a little flat, has pretty much been some of my favourite TV. Like it or not, you can't deny it's success and appeal to a large audience.
I have a box set of s5 of TWD sat on the shelf, lasted about one episode.
GOT has enough fun, and the thought that it's a finite story which keeps me engaged.
Walking Dead, with exception of the most recent series which fell a little flat, has pretty much been some of my favourite TV. Like it or not, you can't deny it's success and appeal to a large audience.
For me it's become a boring miserython, biding time waiting for character deaths or finding new ways to mutilate/torture them. Worked OK for a couple of seasons, too fucking depressing long-term for me.
I'd argue the same about comic Dredd, and the 2012 movie - it can't be permanently DoC doom. Fall of Deadworld gets a pass because it's new, and out and out weird, and not just a psycho with a baseball bat.
But hey, if it works for you... the world's depressing enough without spending 13 hours to have fantasy depression as a replacement.
I'd like a bit of fun with my escapism.
I have a box set of s5 of TWD sat on the shelf, lasted about one episode.
GOT has enough fun, and the thought that it's a finite story which keeps me engaged.
Walking Dead, with exception of the most recent series which fell a little flat, has pretty much been some of my favourite TV. Like it or not, you can't deny it's success and appeal to a large audience.
For me it's become a boring miserython, biding time waiting for character deaths or finding new ways to mutilate/torture them. Worked OK for a couple of seasons, too fucking depressing long-term for me.
I'd argue the same about comic Dredd, and the 2012 movie - it can't be permanently DoC doom. Fall of Deadworld gets a pass because it's new, and out and out weird, and not just a psycho with a baseball bat.
But hey, if it works for you... the world's depressing enough without spending 13 hours to have fantasy depression as a replacement.
I'd like a bit of fun with my escapism.
For me it's become a boring miserython
If people could stop kicking the potential indestructible robots with increasingly advanced AI, that would be nice, thanks.or terrifying (Boston Dynamics)
"They sent a slamhound on Turner's trail in New Delhi, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZPRsrwumQ)
Nah, sorry - I'm one of those that want to see the muties, robots, Dark Judges and things that go bump in the night. They're as much a part of Dredd's history as the police procedurals and we shouldn't feel embarrassed by them.
Hallelujah! My Mega-City One is a place of fatties, aliens, talking gorillas, sensitive kleggs, uglies, simps, and buisness men with shark heads.
I just think it would all turnoff the wider audience. It is all part of Dredd history, but the hard-core Dredd fans will not be enough viewers to ensure a series is successful. You have to sell this to a wider audience. Sensitive Kleggs and Walter might endanger that. Ground this in the core material first, much like the film did, then expand if the series succeeds.
For me it's become a boring miserython
For me, it started off as that, which is why I've only ever watched two full episodes.
Dreary soap opera guff. It might as well be Eastenders.
Stick too closely to the 2012 template and it wouldn't look too different from lots of other things on TV.
I think we have an opportunity here to have something the likes of which has never been tried on TV.
I know which I'd prefer.
Reading the differing opinions on this thread it is evident that there is no 'fan consensus', which is just as well.
Having said that (sorry Mr Wells) only one thing (well, two) will make this series appeal to a wider audience.
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"Judge Dwedd, my hewo!"
SIP you haven't put a foot wrong in this thread and. I admire and support your views in your posting. Z
Anyway, I'm bowing out of the debate at this point as I seem to be very much in the minority here (to my surprise). When you are the only person crying out for something, perhaps you need to realise when to give it a rest :-)
The walking dead TV show has been a grim monotone for series after series extremely successfully. So can't agree on that point. Similarly game of thrones also holds a fairly dark tone with some use of humour. Many a dredd epic has done exactly this and have been considered amongst the favourites of readers. Day of chaos for example.
We absolutely disagree on the direction we would want, I think packing in 40 years of the more wacky elements of Dredd would be a mistake.
Things I want:Brit-Cit would be good (as a spin-off, in a CSI:$insert-city-here manner).
I really hope we get to see Brit-Cit at some point, and a spin off Armitage series if we're especially lucky.
Judge Giant needs to be in it.
Even if this isn't going to be a continuation of the 2012 film, I hope Karl and Olivia can reprise their roles.Even if they're not the same characters, I'd like to see them make an appearance (think Superman / Smallville / Supergirl / New Adventures, with actors from one making appearances in what comes after).
It's all about tone. Including some of the more zany, or supernatural, elements of the comic in a gritty, grounded approach a'la 2012 Dredd would be fine.
What we can't have is a nostalgia-fest for people who love the first three Case Files. That won't work.
...most of the people on this thread seem to be arguing in favour of a wacky comedy approach...
On arresting Dredd, quite a few things don't work unless you have the foundations set first. Fans often clamour for Death but he makes no sense without knowledge of Dredd, and nor do things like Mechanismo, Cal and 'doubts' about the system.
The advantage we have is 40 years of stories. Hundreds of seeds could potentially be planted, some to grow, some to wither and some as red-herrings or Easter eggs to wrong-foot or titillate the fans. You could even have the whole Harlem Heroes storyline playing out strictly in the background, incidentally on holoscreens or vidzines or in citizens' conversations, for example.
We've got the depth, let's use it.
...most of the people on this thread seem to be arguing in favour of a wacky comedy approach...
I don't think that's the case. It seems to me that the actual desire is for the absurd elements to remain an integral part of the story because the world is absurd and growing more so with each passing year. Much of the absurdity also stems from the crushing boredom of 400 million largely unemployed citizens looking for something new to distract and engage them. When those absurdities turn out to be dangerous, the judges have to deal with them. Those absurdities aren't just light-hearted comedic high-jinx, they're serious comments on real-world absurdities and vital - vital, I say - to Dredd's world.
WACIST!
Heavy Metal Kid 'Call-me-Burdis' goes on the rampage and stomps towards Pete Wells Block.
To be played Godzilla style by CF in a robot suit smashing the crap out of miniature buildings.
+++CALL-ME-BURDIS WILL NOT BEHAVE+++
Trapped in the 'Cellar Of Dredd' with only a 1995 movie action figure for company!
"It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again!!!!" :o
...'Dredd as straight man'. Contrast that granite visage and total lack of patience or humour with the idiotic citizenry and you've a recipe for gold, every time!
IMHO I think Walter the Wobot presents an excellent opportunity to explore pathos in the series. He doesn't have to be a one-dimensional Jar-Jar Binks comic relief job.
As a downtrodden droid, mistreated because of his speech impediment, he'd give a great opportunity to explore the relationship between citizens and their servile robots.
"They sent a slamhound on Turner's trail in New Delhi, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZPRsrwumQ)Even creepier: their Happy Holidays horror show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZu04v7_hc).
The most interesting Dredd's for me are the procedural episodes involving the resources of justice department and an investigating Dredd. These kind of storylines would also perhaps be the most accessible to a general audience.
Wobots, rampaging lawmasters, max normal, not the right way to go.
Pleased don't let this be "wacky" in any way. The tone should be serious with an undercurrent of nihilistic black humour.
Even taking examples from the earliest stories – are the Aggro Dome, Smokatorium, The Taxidermist and even Get Ugly, not brilliantly absurd creations from the early days that can't work?
Certainly a story about human taxidermy could definitely work, because it wouldn't have to be zany. You could do it in a serious, dark and intelligent way, and in fact that is how it was done in the original comic story -- the Jacob Sardini stories only became comedies in the sequels. The original would adapt very well to the screen.
Animated, with Mick drawing every frame.
Joe Soap: yes it is funny, but in the right kind of way.
Nobody is saying there shouldn't be satire.
Nobody is saying there shouldn't be satire.
I'm not against humour either, done in an adult fashion. But half the people on this thread seem to want a kids' show.
Thing is...Judge Dredd is everything,its a police procedural,horror,political satire,drama...Just not all of those at the same time.The series could have a similar system.You could have a horror episode,then a political episode,then a Chopper episode(just examples).
In what way?Well you're the one who wants Max and Walter.
Thing is...Judge Dredd is everything,its a police procedural,horror,political satire,drama...Just not all of those at the same time.The series could have a similar system.You could have a horror episode,then a political episode,then a Chopper episode(just examples).
Karl Urban has had talks according to this speel.
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/dredd/49331/judge-dredd-tv-series-karl-urban-has-had-talks
tension between street judges and SJS (I miss that!)
Get the audience on the Judge's side, then show that the Judges are sometimes the bogey man. And if the Judges are the bogey men, the SJS are the bogey men to the bogey men.
Certainly a story about human taxidermy could definitely work, because it wouldn't have to be zany. You could do it in a serious, dark and intelligent way, and in fact that is how it was done in the original comic story -- the Jacob Sardini stories only became comedies in the sequels. The original would adapt very well to the screen.
It would but part of its appeal would be lost were 'The Taxidermist' to be adapted early on. The problem is the dignified Jacob Sardini gets away with it, something I can't recall anyone else doing in the ten years 2000 AD had been going by then. Being faithful to that so soon into a TV series would undermine the Judges all-pervasive authoritarianism and rob the story of its quiet power (and some of its humour), whereas changing the ending would make Sardini just another victim of the City.
You've got me wondering about other characters who got away with it.
You've got me wondering about other characters who got away with it.
PJ spent two stints in pokey, lost his inheritance, lost his lover, lost his mayoral position and was (it appears) executed. He may have got away with individual crimes, but he certainly didn't escape justice.
You've got me wondering about other characters who got away with it. Arguments could be made for Satanus, Stan Lee, PJ Maybe... Though of those, only Satanus completely escapes the law.
. . . Thirlby . . .
It would but part of its appeal would be lost were 'The Taxidermist' to be adapted early on. The problem is the dignified Jacob Sardini gets away with it, something I can't recall anyone else doing in the ten years 2000 AD had been going by then. Being faithful to that so soon into a TV series would undermine the Judges all-pervasive authoritarianism and rob the story of its quiet power (and some of its humour), whereas changing the ending would make Sardini just another victim of the City.
You've got me wondering about other characters who got away with it. Arguments could be made for Satanus, Stan Lee, PJ Maybe... Though of those, only Satanus completely escapes the law.
Don't know about anyone else but I'd like to see a future London Mega City in this sometimes too.
Don't know about anyone else but I'd like to see a future London Mega City in this sometimes too.
Brit-Cit has been mentioned already!
Did we fancast Armitage already?
Did we fancast Armitage already?
Did we fancast Armitage already?
Did we fancast Armitage already?
Did we fancast Armitage already?I'll do it!
Definitely not.
I just had the weirdest thought.
Sylvester Stallone as Judge Minty...?
I just had the weirdest thought.
Sylvester Stallone as Judge Minty...?
I would suggest that Stallone's negative association with the properity means emphatically no.
I like a lot of Stallone movies, but personally, I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Judge Dredd production-he had his chance in '95 and blew it!
Did we fancast Armitage already?I'll do it!
I thought you'd already been cast as Fergee? You can't do both.
Yep - Judge Dredd 1995 almost killed 2000AD
I just had the weirdest thought.
Sylvester Stallone as Judge Minty...?
I would suggest that Stallone's negative association with the properity means emphatically no.
I like a lot of Stallone movies, but personally, I wouldn't want him anywhere near a Judge Dredd production-he had his chance in '95 and blew it!
I love sly, despite the 1995 film (which I can take as a mid 90's action film if not a dredd film). The problem with him appearing would be people's apparent dislike of the 95 film, which could lead to loss of viewers on any future sly related dredd appearances.
I wonder what channel/service it'll be on, seems like its going ahead regardless?
I think SyFy should be the last place for JD:MC1. While it's a good idea for Siffee (my pronunciation) to try and improve, I don't think Rebellion should risk something as valuable as MC1 in Siffee's attempts to recapture their market.
I think SyFy should be the last place for JD:MC1. While it's a good idea for Siffee (my pronunciation) to try and improve, I don't think Rebellion should risk something as valuable as MC1 in Siffee's attempts to recapture their market.
Recently, SyFy have had Killjoys (stupid, but fun), Dark Matter (really quite good), 12 Monkeys (again, really quite good) and The Expanse (straight-up excellent).
Whilst I agree that if the MC1 producers could land a bigger channel/platform, they absolutely should, SyFy have been making some significant headway in improving their line-up.
I've not seen any of those, but I've be prejudiced against SyFy for quite some time now. I don't think I'll ever watch The Expanse though after trying to read the first book. I'm part of the minority that found it too awful to finish.
Maybe Sly's codpiece could have a cameo?
Maybe Sly's codpiece could have a cameo?
Or vice versa.
(http://wavenewspapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Cameo-Tasty-West.jpg)
Who on earth are those guys?
Who on earth are those guys?
Cameo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA)
Anyone recognise a young Levar Burton in that video? (Guy in the hat. :lol: )
I've heard that song a few times, but this is the first time I've seen the video.
Subject of possible actors for Dredd.
Just came across this pic of Josh Brolin training to play Cable in Deadpool 2. That chin and face suggests he should be auditioning for another comic book related role.
(http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2017/06/brolincablearms.jpg)
What about now?Subject of possible actors for Dredd.
Just came across this pic of Josh Brolin training to play Cable in Deadpool 2. That chin and face suggests he should be auditioning for another comic book related role.
(http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2017/06/brolincablearms.jpg)
I can see him as Nelson Kreelman, Johnny Alpha's father.
Who on earth are those guys?
Cameo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA)
Can't believe I've never seen those guys before. :)Who on earth are those guys?Cameo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA)
Can't believe I've never seen those guys before. :)
Can't believe I've never seen those guys before. :)
For some of us of a certain age, this particular Top of the Pops performance is carved onto our souls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itTuhQhLFqk
Regards,
Robin
Sound like they're headed in the right direction.
http://www.gamesradar.com/dredd-boss-says-the-tv-show-will-combine-the-macabre-with-the-insane-and-the-light-hearted/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/dredd-boss-says-the-tv-show-will-combine-the-macabre-with-the-insane-and-the-light-hearted/)
What about now?Subject of possible actors for Dredd.
Just came across this pic of Josh Brolin training to play Cable in Deadpool 2. That chin and face suggests he should be auditioning for another comic book related role.
(http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2017/06/brolincablearms.jpg)
I can see him as Nelson Kreelman, Johnny Alpha's father.
(http://i.imgur.com/2RuNaaE.jpg)
Naw, tight boots
On a serious point though. It might work in the comics but I thought Urban's grimace did look a bit forced at times so I hope they tone the grimace down slightly.
On a serious point though. It might work in the comics but I thought Urban's grimace did look a bit forced at times so I hope they tone the grimace down slightly.
Sacrilege!!!
Karl's performance was flawless!
Even though it took me a couple of viewings to truly warm to DREDD, Karl's performance was the one thing I absolutely did love when I first saw it. Any issues I had with his portrayal were in the writing (I seem to recall there being two scenes I grumbled at but can only remember the headbutt being particularly contentious).
Wasn't there a view that it was done to slow her heart beat o the pulse thingies kept going and she didn't blow everything up? Having watched it again the other day there's little to support that reading but I've heard it said (typed) here. Not sure what was included in the script...
I thought it was mentioned in the film that the signal wouldn't pass all the way to the top* because of the amount of floors blocking the signal.
Cheers
*even though there is a massive gap leading all the way to the top of the tower. I may be misremembering.
I've never understood how throwing Mama out the window helps. if her pulse stops (either via death or dead signal) surely the bomb goes off? if not Dredd could just walk her out the door.
I've never understood how throwing Mama out the window helps. if her pulse stops (either via death or dead signal) surely the bomb goes off? if not Dredd could just walk her out the door.
It's an active trigger, i.e.: the bomb goes off when it gets a definite signal that she's dead, not a passive one that goes off when it stops getting a continuous signal that she's alive.
seems like a poor choice of trigger.
seems like a poor choice of trigger.
Except that the passive trigger would detonate the bomb if the signal device got damaged, if she took it off, or if she walked into a room that interfered with radio signals.
She has to die for her crimes to send a message to the rest of the block but she must also die out of range of the transmitter, so throwing her to the atrium kills two birds with one stone.
The bit that doesn't really fit, as Jim says, is giving her slo-mo as well (which may even be a crime - giving someone an illegal drug).
I'm an impatient git. I wanna see some concept art.
I'm an impatient git. I wanna see some concept art.
Then reading 2000AD.
Funnily enough I just picked up the latest issue but haven't looked at it yet.
Funnily enough I just picked up the latest issue but haven't looked at it yet.
You sure it was 2000ad you picked up then? ;)
Damn! I knew I should have looked closer when I picked it up, It says Caravaning Monthly on the cover not 2000AD. :o
Damn! I knew I should have looked closer when I picked it up, It says Caravaning Monthly on the cover not 2000AD. :o
It's an easy mistake to make. They both look very similar.
(https://image.ibb.co/jnTDA5/Prog.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Thanks for posting Steve!
While I'm glad that the city will be the main character, and it won't be just about Dredd, I was a bit worried he would be mostly sidelined, with just a couple of appearances here and there.
That interview is promising, though, suggesting they'll have a good balance.
Would having a younger version of Dredd in the form of Rico MK2 just crowd things?
I don't agree with that; cadets are cooped up in the Academy most of the time. Focusing on the citizens would be the best way of showing us the city.I've always got Gotham (the TV series) in my head - based around the precinct, but we get to see the underworld, plus Bruce and Selina's lives. Rather than full-on Academy, perhaps there could be final year cadets assigned to a Sector House, doing assignments, going on hot dog runs, etc?
Yes, that's what I meant (& should have said). Cadets fresh out of the academy on their first assignment.I don't agree with that; cadets are cooped up in the Academy most of the time. Focusing on the citizens would be the best way of showing us the city.I've always got Gotham (the TV series) in my head - based around the precinct, but we get to see the underworld, plus Bruce and Selina's lives. Rather than full-on Academy, perhaps there could be final year cadets assigned to a Sector House, doing assignments, going on hot dog runs, etc?
Though saying that, I don't like the Cursed Earth appearing too early in works based on JD - witness the 1995 film and IDW's forays. It's basically taking one of the best characters (MC1) and ditching it for half an hour.
Yes, that's what I meant (& should have said). Cadets fresh out of the academy on their first assignment.I don't agree with that; cadets are cooped up in the Academy most of the time. Focusing on the citizens would be the best way of showing us the city.I've always got Gotham (the TV series) in my head - based around the precinct, but we get to see the underworld, plus Bruce and Selina's lives. Rather than full-on Academy, perhaps there could be final year cadets assigned to a Sector House, doing assignments, going on hot dog runs, etc?
Though saying that, I don't like the Cursed Earth appearing too early in works based on JD - witness the 1995 film and IDW's forays. It's basically taking one of the best characters (MC1) and ditching it for half an hour.
Ok, but then why not just have regular judges doing all of that?Because it's easier to introduce viewers to a series if the protagonist(s) are also knew to the area portrayed - which is why Jim Gordon transfers to the precinct in Gotham, why Alex Murphy does the same in RoboCop, (partially) why Lawson transfers to Badrock in Lawless, why King Monkey goes off to heaven, and any number of other examples from books, film, comics and television.
Part Two of the Mr H interview with Brian and Jason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIF0J0waubA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIF0J0waubA)
Part Two of the Mr H interview with Brian and Jason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIF0J0waubA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIF0J0waubA)
Genuinely excited now
Wonder who the character from the computer game is?
Nice to hear Urban is their first choice and that the Lawmaster is a priority!
Spotted this on the news just now, it's part of a training centre for the fire service, but it's like having your own mini Pete Wells block in rural Gloucestershire...
http://www.fireservicecollege.ac.uk/facilities/incident-ground/commercial-building/ (http://www.fireservicecollege.ac.uk/facilities/incident-ground/commercial-building/)
Spotted this on the news just now, it's part of a training centre for the fire service, but it's like having your own mini Pete Wells block in rural Gloucestershire...
http://www.fireservicecollege.ac.uk/facilities/incident-ground/commercial-building/ (http://www.fireservicecollege.ac.uk/facilities/incident-ground/commercial-building/)
There's a similar training centre on the South bank of the Thames (can't remember precisely where it is, but probably out as far as Kent), used by the Met for urban exercises.
Spotted this on the news just now, it's part of a training centre for the fire service, but it's like having your own mini Pete Wells block in rural Gloucestershire...
http://www.fireservicecollege.ac.uk/facilities/incident-ground/commercial-building/ (http://www.fireservicecollege.ac.uk/facilities/incident-ground/commercial-building/)
IM Global founder forced out.
He was also named as an exec producer on the Dredd show.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/stuart-ford-im-global-1202517665/ (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/stuart-ford-im-global-1202517665/)
Bad news for all the outgoing CEO's pet projects.
So should we go ahead and and declare this show "Aborted" then?Bad news for all the outgoing CEO's pet projects.
Quite. I believe the standard Hollywood tactic is to immediately cancel all your predecessors projects, since they'll get the credit if they are successes and you'll get the blame if they fail.
So should we go ahead and and declare this show "Aborted" then?
Oh dear. Things not looking good now.So should we go ahead and and declare this show "Aborted" then?Bad news for all the outgoing CEO's pet projects.
Quite. I believe the standard Hollywood tactic is to immediately cancel all your predecessors projects, since they'll get the credit if they are successes and you'll get the blame if they fail.
The world is ending! The world is ending!
So should we go ahead and and declare this show "Aborted" then?
Or we could, y'know, wait for some actual news one way or the other?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rob-friedman-oversee-im-global-open-road-films-as-ceo-tang-media-entertainment-1027671 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rob-friedman-oversee-im-global-open-road-films-as-ceo-tang-media-entertainment-1027671)Lionsgate distrbuted Dredd in North America.
Ex-Lionsgate, now CEO of newly formed Tang Media Partners which is overseeing IM Global's TV division amongst others.
OK, it is just concept art but seems a bit too drab for me. I'd like a more vivid colourful vibrant MC1.Could be just the drab part of the city. One scene I loved in the recent film was when Dredd and Anderson were outside the building looking out of the city at night. It looked brilliant with all the neon contrasted against the night sky.
I hope so. This type of thing could be a deal-breaker for me. The version of MC-1 that I have in my head is straight from Colin MacNeil's art for America and Mechanismo. Chiefly crystal clear blue skies and blazing sunshine resulting from the machinations of Weather Control and a perfect example of the excessive reach of the Justice Department. I don't want MC-1 in this show to be yet another gloomy cookie-cutter dystopia.OK, it is just concept art but seems a bit too drab for me. I'd like a more vivid colourful vibrant MC1.Could be just the drab part of the city. One scene I loved in the recent film was when Dredd and Anderson were outside the building looking out of the city at night. It looked brilliant with all the neon contrasted against the night sky.
Yeah, a great scene.OK, it is just concept art but seems a bit too drab for me. I'd like a more vivid colourful vibrant MC1.Could be just the drab part of the city. One scene I loved in the recent film was when Dredd and Anderson were outside the building looking out of the city at night. It looked brilliant with all the neon contrasted against the night sky.
Yes, there are too many of those.I hope so. This type of thing could be a deal-breaker for me. The version of MC-1 that I have in my head is straight from Colin MacNeil's art for America and Mechanismo. Chiefly crystal clear blue skies and blazing sunshine resulting from the machinations of Weather Control and a perfect example of the excessive reach of the Justice Department. I don't want MC-1 in this show to be yet another gloomy cookie-cutter dystopia.OK, it is just concept art but seems a bit too drab for me. I'd like a more vivid colourful vibrant MC1.Could be just the drab part of the city. One scene I loved in the recent film was when Dredd and Anderson were outside the building looking out of the city at night. It looked brilliant with all the neon contrasted against the night sky.
What, even at night?Its concept art. Isn't the point of concept art for people to read into it how the show might look?!?
Honestly people are reading an awful lot into a couple of images.
There will be all kinds of different areas in MEGA City One because it's MEGA in size and MEGA in scope. The clue is in the name.Yes I understand that, but thanks for letting me know, & putting the word MEGA in uppercase...
What, even at night?
Honestly people are reading an awful lot into a couple of images.
There will be all kinds of different areas in MEGA City One because it's MEGA in size and MEGA in scope. The clue is in the name.
Its concept art. Isn't the point of concept art for people to read into it how the show might look?!?
I hope so. This type of thing could be a deal-breaker for me. The version of MC-1 that I have in my head is straight from Colin MacNeil's art for America and Mechanismo. Chiefly crystal clear blue skies and blazing sunshine resulting from the machinations of Weather Control and a perfect example of the excessive reach of the Justice Department. I don't want MC-1 in this show to be yet another gloomy cookie-cutter dystopia.OK, it is just concept art but seems a bit too drab for me. I'd like a more vivid colourful vibrant MC1.Could be just the drab part of the city. One scene I loved in the recent film was when Dredd and Anderson were outside the building looking out of the city at night. It looked brilliant with all the neon contrasted against the night sky.
That first picture totally reminds me of one of my all time favourite covers - Prog 1450 by Jock. I love it!
(https://s28.postimg.org/on672mqel/IMG_1822.jpg)
What, even at night?
Honestly people are reading an awful lot into a couple of images.
If the next pieces of concept art to be released have some of that Judge Dredd uniqueness then I'll be as happy as a pig in poop. Until then...Like the Stallone version did? God, I hope not. It might be a very polarising thing on here, but for me, it has to retain a bit of actual real world semblance, similar to what we see today in cities, and similar to what the 2012 came across as. Having buildings look all futuristic, with architecture and geometry that just makes no logical sense is a deal breaker as far as my perspective goes. I'm talking about the mushroom-domed structures of the comic. The same goes for the design of the vehicles and in particular the Lawmaster. It would just seem weird to see judges on screen riding a bike that resembles a 1970's LA cop's road bike, with the long chopper handlebars. That's not to say some kind of design like the comic book Lawmaster wouldn't fit in some way, but again its a similar situation to the armour: practicality matters more on screen, where things are more grounded than what they are on a page. I think most of how everything looks will rely entirely on the technology used within the series' universe. Will it be more Star Trek, or Terminator/Aliens?
I might be wrong but one unique thing that isn't in any other films is the elevated Megways.Metropolis and Akira, if I remember correctly.
I never delared it a deal-breaker.Its concept art. Isn't the point of concept art for people to read into it how the show might look?!?
It's the grand total of 2 images. Even then a lot can change between that and when it's on screen - *if* it gets on screen.
Concept art like this is mainly for people who are going to put money in, not us plebs - the date puts it at being drawn well over a year ago.
Releasing it to the public is seems like something to keep news churning after nothing of note about the show was released at SDCC.
Most people at least wait until a trailer before declaring it's a deal-breaker.
I might be wrong but one unique thing that isn't in any other films is the elevated Megways.Metropolis and Akira, if I remember correctly.
If the next pieces of concept art to be released have some of that Judge Dredd uniqueness then I'll be as happy as a pig in poop. Until then...Like the Stallone version did? God, I hope not. It might be a very polarising thing on here, but for me, it has to retain a bit of actual real world semblance, similar to what we see today in cities, and similar to what the 2012 came across as. Having buildings look all futuristic, with architecture and geometry that just makes no logical sense is a deal breaker as far as my perspective goes. I'm talking about the mushroom-domed structures of the comic. The same goes for the design of the vehicles and in particular the Lawmaster. It would just seem weird to see judges on screen riding a bike that resembles a 1970's LA cop's road bike, with the long chopper handlebars. That's not to say some kind of design like the comic book Lawmaster wouldn't fit in some way, but again its a similar situation to the armour: practicality matters more on screen, where things are more grounded than what they are on a page. I think most of how everything looks will rely entirely on the technology used within the series' universe. Will it be more Star Trek, or Terminator/Aliens?
While I'm not adverse to buildings of a present day type (albeit much taller, in the case of the blocks, of course) for the sake of realism and continuity, I hope we see some of the comic style domes and mushrooms as well. I think they're a beautiful organic design, part and parcel of Megacity One, to me.
Yeah, it is. I'd personally have that a little more streamlined and rustic-looking. However, it's not really the overall aesthetic that the screen Lawmaster has to contend with. As you can see from the Mezo, those tires are massive. Normally when you have tires that wide, they are on very low profile choppers, and I'm not sure if I've even seen a bike with a front tire as wide as a back tire that's as big. To me, the fat tires are the defining trait of any Lawmaster. Unfortunately I just don't think those are feasible on a real world bike.
The Mezco Lawmaster is a great updating of the design to me. The handlebars are fairly long but it looks futuristic and not 70s chopper like.
Yeah, it is. I'd personally have that a little more streamlined and rustic-looking. However, it's not really the overall aesthetic that the screen Lawmaster has to contend with. As you can see from the Mezo, those tires are massive. Normally when you have tires that wide, they are on very low profile choppers, and I'm not sure if I've even seen a bike with a front tire as wide as a back tire that's as big. To me, the fat tires are the defining trait of any Lawmaster. Unfortunately I just don't think those are feasible on a real world bike.
The Mezco Lawmaster is a great updating of the design to me. The handlebars are fairly long but it looks futuristic and not 70s chopper like.
The Mezco more or less looks the same profile silhouette as the 2012 bike. Beef the 2012 one up a wee bit, add a couple of wide exhaust pipes ether side at the back, just for aesthetic reasons, and some square beams at the front. Job done, I reckon.
The Mezco more or less looks the same profile silhouette as the 2012 bike. Beef the 2012 one up a wee bit, add a couple of wide exhaust pipes ether side at the back, just for aesthetic reasons, and some square beams at the front. Job done, I reckon.I'm wondering how close they are allowed to get to the designs of the 2012 film seeing as this is a show created by another team? For example the Judges' uniform in the movie is great, even though different from the comic but I'm guessing it will be totally redesigned.
If the next pieces of concept art to be released have some of that Judge Dredd uniqueness then I'll be as happy as a pig in poop. Until then...Like the Stallone version did? God, I hope not. It might be a very polarising thing on here, but for me, it has to retain a bit of actual real world semblance,
I agree. The insanity of MC1 should be reflected in its architecture. Giant futuristic cities are very common in cinema so we need the unique craziness of the MC1 of the comic to make it stand out from the rest, particularly to new audiences.If the next pieces of concept art to be released have some of that Judge Dredd uniqueness then I'll be as happy as a pig in poop. Until then...Like the Stallone version did? God, I hope not. It might be a very polarising thing on here, but for me, it has to retain a bit of actual real world semblance,
No, it doesn't. Not really. Start taking away the crazy architecture and it stops being Judge Dredd. It just becomes yet another generic futuristic cityscape. Ezquerra's, McMahon's and Flint's MC1. With McNeil's colour scheme. That's the way to go.
Then again, the uniform and even the helmet isn't much cop when direct hits are concerned in both film and comics. I've seen judges even shot through the helmet! I think Ezquerra's idea behind the original uniform armour was to protect the Judge if they came off their bike (hence the shoulder and joint pads, yet very little protecting their vital organs). But it makes sense a bit of body armour would be utilised.
I thought the architecture was something the Stallone film got rightAside from redressing that same set about 50 times!
The 2012 movie got over that by only having one set.I thought the architecture was something the Stallone film got rightAside from redressing that same set about 50 times!
I think the 2012 film was pretty unique as far as the cityscape went. Believable too. But yeah, I agree, when I first seen it, I just chalked the lack of congestion that the comic version has as being down to a run down sector, or just being very early after the Atom War when the blocks were just first erected. The concept image, I think, is a perfect blend of the realistic theme of Dredd 2012, only expanded upon to feature the spaghetti like pedways between the buildings.If the next pieces of concept art to be released have some of that Judge Dredd uniqueness then I'll be as happy as a pig in poop. Until then...Like the Stallone version did? God, I hope not. It might be a very polarising thing on here, but for me, it has to retain a bit of actual real world semblance,
No, it doesn't. Not really. Start taking away the crazy architecture and it stops being Judge Dredd. It just becomes yet another generic futuristic cityscape. Ezquerra's, McMahon's and Flint's MC1. With McNeil's colour scheme. That's the way to go.
I think the 2012 film was pretty unique as far as the cityscape went. Believable too. But yeah, I agree, when I first seen it, I just chalked the lack of congestion that the comic version has as being down to a run down sector, or just being very early after the Atom War when the blocks were just first erected. The concept image, I think, is a perfect blend of the realistic theme of Dredd 2012, only expanded upon to feature the spaghetti like pedways between the buildings.If the next pieces of concept art to be released have some of that Judge Dredd uniqueness then I'll be as happy as a pig in poop. Until then...Like the Stallone version did? God, I hope not. It might be a very polarising thing on here, but for me, it has to retain a bit of actual real world semblance,
No, it doesn't. Not really. Start taking away the crazy architecture and it stops being Judge Dredd. It just becomes yet another generic futuristic cityscape. Ezquerra's, McMahon's and Flint's MC1. With McNeil's colour scheme. That's the way to go.
As for the Lawmaster, I liked this concept. Looks like a offroad cruiser.
(http://cs407223.userapi.com/v407223123/26bf/cbz7lFcY9tc.jpg)
Its not tons to go off, but the concept art looks pretty great! Starting to get my hopes up for something more faithful to the comics!
Not a dig at Dredd 2012, absolutely drokking loved it, but I do think comic book MC1 is ultimately much more interesting than 2012 MC1. Not only visually, but also I cant imagine all the weird sci-fi stuff and extreme sports and fads that occur in the comics happening in that more contemporary vision of the city. I want flying cars and fatties and boing! That wonderful clash of flamboyant towering buildings, outrageous technology and human filth. Where it seems like anything is possible yet the Judges are always around a corner to arrest you for doing it, however innocent. Most people have no job or purpose beyond entertaining themselves, life is cheap and crazy. A sprawling, glistening plasteen favela. Its such a rich world, I hope it doesn't get watered down too much. I'm rambling again!
Would be great to see Karl back in the role, it might be weird at first seeing him playing a different version of Dredd in a different version of MC1 but It'd normalise pretty quickly I'm sure. He gets it.
Dirty Frank and Lenny to get an outing?
Love Lenny..one of the few to get one over on Joe
I think both the uniform and bike look better than the Dredd versions. I'm surprised they didn't go with those. However the bike still looks too small to me and not powerful enough. Again I think the bike should be pretty big and much bigger than any modern bike. Even if it's done by cgi like the Minty version.
Dirty Frank and Lenny to get an outing?
Love Lenny..one of the few to get one over on Joe
Lenny Zero is a very dated character, in my opinion.
Dirty Frank, on the other hand, would be brilliant.
but I agree, something bigger would be better. Only a bit bigger though. Long but not too bulky.
Yer maw!
It's not practical in live-action.That's the key, a lot of stuff looks cool in the comic but doesn't translate well to live action.
The boot holster is a ridiculous idea which would thoroughly alienate an American audience.
It's not practical in live-action.
That's the key, a lot of stuff looks cool in the comic but doesn't translate well to live action.
https://www.iamlivingit.com/motorcycling/15-sexiest-concept-bikes-ever-designed (https://www.iamlivingit.com/motorcycling/15-sexiest-concept-bikes-ever-designed)
'In the 1995 Judge Dredd motion picture, a correct reproduction of the comic Lawmaster was made, however, there was just a single issue. It was excessively cumbersome, making it impossible to guide.'
Sorted.
Sorted.Headlamp's too small.
The boot holster is a ridiculous idea which would thoroughly alienate an American audience.Boot holsters make more sense if you're on a bike though (and holsters attached to the waist make a bit less sense).
Boot holsters make more sense if you're on a bike though (and holsters attached to the waist make a bit less sense).
Boot holsters make more sense if you're on a bike though (and holsters attached to the waist make a bit less sense).
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c6/2c/c1/c62cc10861ab9654b77c682f5e4941a6--monster-bike-monster-trucks.jpg)
Sorted.
I think both the uniform and bike look better than the Dredd versions. I'm surprised they didn't go with those. However the bike still looks too small to me and not powerful enough. Again I think the bike should be pretty big and much bigger than any modern bike. Even if it's done by cgi like the Minty version.
I really like the style of the bike, but I agree, something bigger would be better. Only a bit bigger though. Long but not too bulky.
The uniform is interesting. Not so keen on the shoulder pads lacking an Eagle, and I'd make the chest armour less thick, but that's pretty nice.
Yer maw!
Your're mom, shurley?
I'd like to see a bike that only Judges can ride. Make it one of the reasons why it takes some of those fifteen years to train up.
Holster with future manetivelcro. On foot, holster fututure maggnettovelcroes to hip; on bike, holster gets futury manetticalvelcroed to boot.
Yes it's not the same without the eagle and agree about the chest armour. The Dredd 2012 uniform was also too bulky [ and a bit ugly ] to me. A cross between maybe that uniform and the comic uniform might be good. I think the bike and uniform should look very cool, slick and expensive
Soooo without wading through this whole thread... what's the current state of play with the TV series?
Oh dear. Ominously quiet?Soooo without wading through this whole thread... what's the current state of play with the TV series?
Hasn't been any news for a few weeks as far as I know. The last news I've seen was the 2 concept pictures.
As long as it's being developed in Hell or not. Two years though, there could be a nuclear war and survivors huddling in mega cities ruled by fascists overlords by then.It'll save on FX budget...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/meet-real-knight-youtube-millionaire-businessman-bringing-history/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/meet-real-knight-youtube-millionaire-businessman-bringing-history/)
"In 2019, a television series based on 2000AD is due to be shown on Netflix. It was with that production company, and using his personal wealth from Rebellion, that Modern History is being made."
Trying to cut down on salt, pinch ofs or otherwise.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/meet-real-knight-youtube-millionaire-businessman-bringing-history/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/meet-real-knight-youtube-millionaire-businessman-bringing-history/)
"In 2019, a television series based on 2000AD is due to be shown on Netflix. It was with that production company, and using his personal wealth from Rebellion, that Modern History is being made."
Trying to cut down on salt, pinch ofs or otherwise.
Not true, I'm afraid. Not sure where the journalist has gotten this from, probably from the fan speculation earlier last year.
Not that the role should be beholden to any actor – it's not Indiana Jones. Much like Spider-Man and Batman aren't owned any actor, neither is Judge Dredd, so it's only an issue if they are in any way depending on Karl Urban's name for promotion or financing.
I knew you was going to say that ;)
For none Facebookers Mr H Reviews is going to meet Rebellion over Mega City 1 TV series.
"Dredd" […] nails the lead character of Dredd himself, but for me […] misses the mark everywhere elseFortunately, there's a really important qualifier in that sentence, and that frames the entire piece: "for me". So this is inherently a subjective piece. Still, it's hard to objectively state that aside from Urban, the Dredd film got everything else wrong, or missed the mark. I find that a baffling assertion. Moreover, I can think of few things the Stallone flick got right, which this article argues is:
more right than you might remember.
It had enough cash to realise the visuals properly, and absolutely nailed the look of Mega City One.I get why people liked this element of the production design, but it never felt like MC1 to me. It was so shiny. It felt like generic 1990s futuristic movie, and had no character. MC1 has character. Stallone-City One was just bland.
The sets, costumes and vehicles were fantastic.I will never ever understand the praise for the 1995 film's costume. It's bloody awful. Yes, you get a version of the shoulder silhouette, although one that's in no way comics-accurate. But it just looks crap on screen, not least the jumpsuit bit. It doesn't feel like Dredd could actually go to work and not come back basically stripped to the bone. And that codpiece. Seriously? The vehicles also didn't click for me, with the again bland Lawmaster. They weren't offensive – they just weren't that exciting. (Not that Dredd did any better there though.)
And the opening scene, in which returning citizens descend from a soaring sci-fi megalopolis to teeming, war-torn streets, was as succinct an introduction to Dredd's turf as you'll ever see.This is a fair comment. The opening to that movie is pretty good, as is the 'eat recycled food' quip. But as soon as Fergie shows up, it's all ruined.
But it's not just about budget. The '95 movie drew more more shrewdly on the comic's abundant history than the 2012 version. From undead dark judges to mutated gorilla gangsters, from Soviet assassin Orlok to face-changing serial killer PJ Maybe, the comic has been stuffed with some of the most colourful, imaginative and complex villains seen in comics. What did the 2012 movie give us? A tower block full of scruffy junkies.It gave us a tense, dark movie with a new villain (who was fucking scary), and plenty of nods if you knew where to look. But if you weren't grounded in 30 years of Dredd, you weren't lost, and I didn't feel any suspension of disbelief. Dropping the Dark Judges into a movie would just make the audience go BWUH? Death is a mirror to Dredd. Without knowing Dredd, Death makes no sense. Similarly, until you get a sense of Dredd's devotion to duty, him no longer being a Judge is not a shock.
Frankly, the 2012 movie has nothing on the '95 movie's looming ABC warrior and grotesque Angel Gang, both triumphs of pre-CGI physical effects.There's a point here, although Judge Dredd does with those two examples feel very much of an era that was Tim Burton's Batman. Perhaps that would have worked had we got Dredd sequels that gradually got the space to become weirder.
The other thing the 2012 movie lacks is humour. Stallone clashed with the '95 film's director Danny Cannon over the comedy elements of the film, and it was horribly cartoonish. But looking at the humourless 2012 model, with its effing-and-blinding and grimly lingering close-ups of exit wounds fountaining blood and bone, Sly might have had a point.We must have watched different films, then. Dredd isn't a comedy by any stretch, but it has plenty of jet black humour. There are some superb lines, mostly from Dredd. As for arguing Sly might have had a point. No. No, he really didn't. He seemed confused that a comic adaptation wasn't funny – an actual comedy. The thing is, Judge Dredd just comes across as ham-fisted and goofy. It has no gravitas. What makes MC1 in the comic is a mixture of satire, black humour, and futuristic madness. The last of those is absent from Dredd, but it has the first in spades and enough black humour to work. Judge Dredd is bereft of all of those things for the most part.
2000AD #818, the first issue I ever bought.Brave that he continued.
Speaking of ludicrousness: The '95 movie had Ian Dury in it, the costumes were by Gianni Versace, and The Cure did the theme song. Those are the kind of bonkers choices that made "The Fifth Element" so gloriously memorable two years later, and it's the kind of absurdity that the 2012 Dredd movie sorely lacks.Ian Dury: a great cameo. Agreed. The Versace costumes were crap, although could have been worse (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/11/these-judge-dredd-95-costume-concepts-by-versace-wont-convince-you-to-give-the-film-another-chance/). The Cure? Really? Hell, I like The Cure, but a song playing during the credits is broadly meaningless. Had they done the OST, fine. (As for Dredd, it doesn't quite hit the highs of a Clint Mansell for me, but Paul Leonard-Morgan's score is one I've bought and since played quite a number of times.)
Ultimately, the 2012 movie gets Dredd himself right, and Mega City One wrong. The '95 movie got Dredd wrong, and everything else right. The new TV show needs to draw on both if it's going to be a law unto itself.I'd say the series should use Dredd as the basic framework, inject more of the comic as required for any particular script, and pretend the Stallone film never happened.
I think the colour grading is a little overcooked and at times it makes the movie look a little ugly.
b) feels like a real, lived in place rather than a soundstageThat's one of the things I really disliked about the Stallone film – there was just no suspension of disbelief. Even back then, the way it was done made it look like people acting in a big shed or in front of a blue screen. Many other films of the time just don't have that. (And is my memory playing up, or are there a couple of prominent landscape components in Judge Dredd that crop up in several supposedly different locations, because they re-dressed the set, but left in a couple of bits?)
I think a lower age rating would have helped Judge Dredd financially - it feels more like a family adventure film than the ‘R / 15’ film it was rated as.Didn't they shoot for a lower rating, but – for whatever reason – not get it? Hard to know why, really – even back then, it felt like a kiddy film.
There was a crypt-like silence after the '95 movie (the feeling I had when walking out of the cinema was bad to put it mildly).A friend of mine saw it the week it came out and I recall him coming over to talk about it when we were on our way back from some gathering or other. "So… how bad was it?" I asked. The look he gave me said it all.
I liked Tim Burton's Batman, my fav of all of the movies actually.For what it's worth, I liked that movie at the time, and suspect I would now if I watched it again. It was bonkers and gothic and smart. Similarly, I'm fond of Fifth Element, which is in the same kind of territory in many ways. Stallone's Dredd feels part of that era in style, but it's just not a patch on the two flicks in terms of performances, writing, coherence, production, design, direction… Hell, Fifth Element's New York City feels like a better Mega-City One than the one in Judge Dredd.
Didn't they shoot for a lower rating, but – for whatever reason – not get it? Hard to know why, really – even back then, it felt like a kiddy film.
The funniest thing about that interview is where he says Danny Cannon wanted to make the film more true to the comic!I get the impression that film was a tug-of-war between a massive (if fading) Hollywood star and an inexperienced director. And it was a battle everyone lost. Bar the opening and some bits of production design, nothing good came out of that film. It's not even cheesy and bad enough to be good (if you know what I mean) – Demolition Man at least managed that to some extent.
To be fair to the director, he's not the only one to have struggled with hitting a PG rating on a blockbuster action film.
Batman (89) was the first film to be given a 12 certificate because it was too violent for a PG but they couldn't stand the idea of bumping it up to a 15 and losing so much potential income. Jurrassic Park was a PG with a special advisory that it wasn't really a PG but, hey, kids love dinosaurs. I think Spider-Man had a similar advisory on its 12 certificate (mainly because of the very violent final battle).
I think the colour grading is a little overcooked and at times it makes the movie look a little ugly.
Kinda see what you mean, but I think the biggest problem is that alot of the 2012 film appears to have been shot way too dark, and then brightened in post. Highlights alot of digital noise, and looks pretty ugly, as you said.
Thankfully its only at it's worst in a handful of shots/scenes.
UK censorship has certainly been a bit mixed in some respects - I guess there's the argument that it's a lot harder to control audience access to video than film, and it tended to be more restrictive on video than film, where it could also be replayed endlessly.
I think the last thing officially shown was the concept art.
I could swear they've added a few hovercars since the last viewing of the cityscape in the background, but could be mistaken.
I could swear they've added a few hovercars since the last viewing of the cityscape in the background, but could be mistaken.
More hovercars you say? Sounds like incontrovertible & definite proof that they'll be recreating that scene from the Stallone Dredd movie where he blows up the illegally parked vehicle! It's an outrage! Somebody get a petition going! Down with this sort of thing!
That's the spirit. ::)
There almost never is news during a pre-production cycle – only rumours. "We're still working on the show" isn't news.
There almost never is news during a pre-production cycle – only rumours. "We're still working on the show" isn't news.
It's been a long time though. I'm begininng to wonder if we'll ever see it.
Rob Williams Has Completed 'Judge Dredd' Pilot Script (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/comic-writer-rob-williams-has-completed-judge-dredd-pilot-script-comic-con-1128980)
Rob Williams Has Completed 'Judge Dredd' Pilot Script (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/comic-writer-rob-williams-has-completed-judge-dredd-pilot-script-comic-con-1128980)
That's very cool news. At least now this thread can be more than:
"Any news yet?"
"No, sorry"
"Damn that means its not happening"
"No they said it's be a while cool ya boots"
Rince, wash, repeat.
We have the Rogue thread for that now....
Rob Williams Has Completed 'Judge Dredd' Pilot Script (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/comic-writer-rob-williams-has-completed-judge-dredd-pilot-script-comic-con-1128980)
Well, more good news for 2000AD fans. A Rogue Trooper Film announced and now a possible Mega City-based TV series in the works its zarjaz times for sure.
(That's not to say it shouldn't have humour-- it definitely should -- but not Walter.)
(That's not to say it shouldn't have humour-- it definitely should -- but not Walter.)
Whats-a dat you say? Walter only work-a-da-best as a double-acta widda Maria?
C'mon, the public love that speech-impediment-meets-mafiosa stuff: plus its okay, 'cos she was never really Italian in the first place! Shadduppa you face!
That's not to say that Dredd couldn't be paired up with a robotic companion, doesn't necessarily have to be a comedy foil, could be a Mechanismo droid.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/NJZMSqRY3rG9i/giphy.gif)That's not to say that Dredd couldn't be paired up with a robotic companion, doesn't necessarily have to be a comedy foil, could be a Mechanismo droid.(https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=44437.0;attach=11762;image)
Ah, if only we could get Patrick Stewart to play the Chief Judge...
Agreed. Surely the most satisfying outcome is if the producers can combine ALL elements of the strip. Grim and gritty, satire, futuristic action and tech.. AND barmy humour!
Agreed. Surely the most satisfying outcome is if the producers can combine ALL elements of the strip. Grim and gritty, satire, futuristic action and tech.. AND barmy humour!
Agree with that too. I always thought Walter was a bit satirical. I mean where else would you get a robot who has a Jonathan Ross speech impediment. :)
Agreed. Surely the most satisfying outcome is if the producers can combine ALL elements of the strip. Grim and gritty, satire, futuristic action and tech.. AND barmy humour!
Agree with that too. I always thought Walter was a bit satirical. I mean where else would you get a robot who has a Jonathan Ross speech impediment. :)
The term is rhotacism (or de-rhotacism) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotacism_(speech_impediment)).
I have no problem with humour, and I agree that there should be humour. I just don't want zany wacky humour. I don't think enough people will want to watch that for the show to be a success.
When I started re-reading Dredd in the Case Files a couple of years ago, I found Walter to be one of the most embarrassing artifacts of Dredd's past. If it was satire, it passed me by. Robohunter was much more successful in that regard. So no Walter, please, but since the new series isn't really focused on Dredd per-se, I doubt we'll see him.
Flying cars are one of the easiest things to do.
If you're adding background city blocks then the hard work is done.
I don't think the odd robot would kill the budget either - again it's at the end of the easier things to add in.
It's not like an animal where you've got a living thing to mimic.
It's not like the city is wall-to-wall robots, compared to Robo-hunter.
It all costs, but at the level of adding CGI, robots are at the cheaper end.
E.g. the facial animation can be more basic, or it could even be a puppet/person in a suit.
Flying cars are one of the easiest things to do.
If you're adding background city blocks then the hard work is done.
I don't think the odd robot would kill the budget either - again it's at the end of the easier things to add in.
It's not like an animal where you've got a living thing to mimic.
It's not like the city is wall-to-wall robots, compared to Robo-hunter.
I thought with animation etc. the Bill rolls upwards, but maybe I'm thinking too old school. I've seen great effects with Cinema 4 and Modo but I'm sure they'll be using 3D Max and others, and with all that experience producing Computer Games I've no doubt the sfx will be >ahem< Mega.
I have no problem with humour, and I agree that there should be humour. I just don't want zany wacky humour. I don't think enough people will want to watch that for the show to be a success.
I don't think anybody wants that either. Just some subtle humour and satire every now and then. We don't want something like that awful web cartoon recently {which name evades me}
The recent Lost in Space, which I presume had a healthy budget, still decided to do its robot mostly as a man in a suit (to its detriment I thought). This should be a clue that fully CG characters are still an expensive proposition for TV.It all costs, but at the level of adding CGI, robots are at the cheaper end.
E.g. the facial animation can be more basic, or it could even be a puppet/person in a suit.
Yeah I bet animation is easier with a robot, you don't have to think about musculature or nailing human realism as they move, and there'd be much less need for unnecessary movement compared to an animal like when idling for example. They're also probably quicker to model and get to look right too, often having much more simple geometry compared to organic things, and being made of materials that reflect light in easier-to-reproduce-convincingly fashions
The recent Lost in Space, which I presume had a healthy budget, still decided to do its robot mostly as a man in a suit (to its detriment I thought). This should be a clue that fully CG characters are still an expensive proposition for TV.
Jebus, reading that's giving me all kind of chills.
Jebus, reading that's giving me all kind of chills.
Are they multiplying…?
Jebus, reading that's giving me all kind of chills.
Are they multiplying…?
... he's just lost Control.
Jebus, reading that's giving me all kind of chills.
Are they multiplying…?
... he's just lost Control.
Drokk, bad transmitter on the helmet mic.
Tek-Div better shape up.
Jebus, reading that's giving me all kind of chills.
Are they multiplying…?
... he's just lost Control.
Drokk, bad transmitter on the helmet mic.
Tek-Div better shape up.
Cos he needs a Manta.
Jebus, reading that's giving me all kind of chills.
Are they multiplying…?
... he's just lost Control.
Tek-Div better shape up.
Cos he needs a Manta.
And Mean's dial is set on two.
I have no problem with humour, and I agree that there should be humour. I just don't want zany wacky humour. I don't think enough people will want to watch that for the show to be a success.
I don't think anybody wants that either. Just some subtle humour and satire every now and then. We don't want something like that awful web cartoon recently {which name evades me}
Along the lines of Judge Death: Diary of a Superfiend...
but it would be pretty duff not to give Dredd a 'meaningful' role - he is the drokkin' star of the show.
Or give him a threaded arc where he could feature very sporadically for earlier episodes in the season (which can all be shot at once) and then a much greater amount of screen time as it draws to a close.
Did I read that article correctly, that they're still shopping the series to Netflix et al? I thought it *was* a Netflix series?
I see, ty.Did I read that article correctly, that they're still shopping the series to Netflix et al? I thought it *was* a Netflix series?
No, it's never been attached to a channel/broadcaster at this point. Some articles have mentioned Netflix, but it's never been suggested in any official comment.
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Worked for Bugsy Malone, and these look more like Lawmasters than either of the movie bikes.
As a games company, Rebellion have had the ability to make 2000 AD games for nearly 20 years, and have made 2 and a bit 2000 AD games.
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/triple-frontier-flop-netflix-cuts-back-spending-1202155925/#! (https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/triple-frontier-flop-netflix-cuts-back-spending-1202155925/#!)This is very true. I'm very close to dropping Netflix. I haven't seen any new content that has really interested me in a while. They don't have the programmes I like and the original stuff ranges from poor to terrible for me. I've been watching Prime more than Netflix.
There's a possibility that Netflix is going to struggle - they're losing content and Disney + and Apple are coming.
Netflix have just raised prices by 20% - how many people are going to want to pay for multiple streaming services?
Would Slaine not be a much more managablle TV project? Also filling a GoT sized hole - probably a but late to do that, but seems a much more acheivable enterprise on a TV budget?
Mindhunter, Black Mirror, Ozark, Dead To Me and Love, Death And Robots have all been must watches for me, as well as a lot of their documentaries.
Would Slaine not be a much more managablle TV project? Also filling a GoT sized hole - probably a but late to do that, but seems a much more acheivable enterprise on a TV budget?
Wouldn't Slaine have a problem that a few other 2000 AD properties have, being based or riffing on something else? It's based on Celtic Myths - I imagine you could have a barbarian with a battle frenzy, ditching Ukko and just do your own thing.
The view from The Ankler newslette
....We’ve heard that something like 80% of Netflix eyeballs go to licensed content....
... I’ve heard reports that somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% of Netflix viewing is done by families and children on family-related stuff.
The view from The Ankler newslette
....We’ve heard that something like 80% of Netflix eyeballs go to licensed content....
... I’ve heard reports that somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% of Netflix viewing is done by families and children on family-related stuff.
Awful lot of vague rumours and guesswork there - I'd like to know the sources of these claims - the latter one particularly seems dubious to me - 70%?
The view from The Ankler newslette
....We’ve heard that something like 80% of Netflix eyeballs go to licensed content....
... I’ve heard reports that somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% of Netflix viewing is done by families and children on family-related stuff.
Awful lot of vague rumours and guesswork there - I'd like to know the sources of these claims - the latter one particularly seems dubious to me - 70%?
A Tesco Value Dredd would be free to get rid of all the baggage that makes producers nervous - giving 'Dredd' a personality and a sex life, exactly as Pat Mills tried to do with The Man Who Drank The Blood Of Satanus, forty years ago.
A Tesco Value Dredd would be free to get rid of all the baggage that makes producers nervous - giving 'Dredd' a personality and a sex life, exactly as Pat Mills tried to do with The Man Who Drank The Blood Of Satanus, forty years ago.
One of my favourite Ron Smith Dredd's - though I think I missed that scene?
Alan Grant got asked about the show at a Q&A thing I was at a few months ago and was very dismissive about it, I believe his words were 'a load of shite'. I'm taking that with a massive pinch of salt though because he seemed incredibly grumpy about absolutely everything he got asked about that day, plus he grumbled something vague about money which made me think he's probably down on it for that more than anything else.
The lack of further updates doesn't bother me, they only announced they were going to start developing the thing and I expect it'll be years before anything comes of it.
... he grumbled something vague about money which made me think he's probably down on it for that more than anything else
'Replaces all previous material.' Well, that suggests a re-written shooting script and not the Robb Williams one. So it appears to be a brand new storyline, not whatever they originally had in mind. Maybe investors or distributors suggested changes, but that's just my opinion.
'Replaces all previous material.' Well, that suggests a re-written shooting script and not the Robb Williams one. So it appears to be a brand new storyline, not whatever they originally had in mind. Maybe investors or distributors suggested changes, but that's just my opinion.
Or just a new draft? I'm sure pilot scripts go through many versions.
https://screenwriting.io/what-are-colored-revisionsdraftspages/
'Replaces all previous material.' Well, that suggests a re-written shooting script and not the Robb Williams one. So it appears to be a brand new storyline, not whatever they originally had in mind. Maybe investors or distributors suggested changes, but that's just my opinion.
Jason Kingsley confirmed to him that 'things' (presumably the screenplay, maybe also the series outline) have been 'completely rewritten' since last year's announcement.Which, in case anyone starts freaking out, is also extremely standard when it comes to new shows and pilots. What you see in the screen often ends up barely resembling the original pilot script.
... he grumbled something vague about money which made me think he's probably down on it for that more than anything else
You can see his point*. The aim of making a show that would cost tens of millions of dollars is, presumably, to make even more millions of dollars.
* Grant describes meeting some guy who'd been paid a fortune to write a Lobo screenplay and wanting to punch him in the face when he said he'd used Grant and Giffen's work verbatim.
Following revelations of his not-getting-too-beaten-up clause suggesting a somewhat fragile image, would he wear the chin star, I wonder?
A friend told me by text that Jason Kingsley had posted a pic of himself with the script, but I'm tired and read it as Jason Statham, and whilst I'm still delighted at some movement now I'd love to see Statham as Judge Armour at some point :D
Statham shouldn't be let near any Judge Dredd adaptation. :thumbsup:
It's utterly crap the way that genuine originators and creators are financially sidelined by those who adapt and translate their work into other media . I know it's how the comics industry, and many many others, works, but it leaves the foulest taste in the mouth.
There's no denying that James Gunn, Bradley Cooper and an army of designers and animators have had their own creative input into the screen success of Rocket Raccoon, but the rewards seem so much greater than those enjoyed by Bill Mantlo.
There's a Youtube video doing the rounds which claims a 'MASSIVE UPDATE' on the show.
Needless to say, it's nothing of the kind, just a regurgitation of the facts and passing off observations the guy's read by Steve and Joe (here or on social media) as his own deductive reasoning.
Which is shameful shit, especially as he does have something like one piece of genuine news - Jason Kingsley confirmed to him that 'things' (presumably the screenplay, maybe also the series outline) have been 'completely rewritten' since last year's announcement.
That's it. Now go ahead and post the video anyway, because you never bother to read the thread.
Jason Kingsley confirmed to him that 'things' (presumably the screenplay, maybe also the series outline) have been 'completely rewritten' since last year's announcement.Which, in case anyone starts freaking out, is also extremely standard when it comes to new shows and pilots. What you see in the screen often ends up barely resembling the original pilot script.
I just want to batter these people, constantly.
There are reports that Deadpool might be repackaged to appeal to the PG13 market. Disney wants family-friendly fare rather than Adult material to sell to the masses. Rebellion is not Disney, but you could see the possible insistence amongst some investors to 'lighten' the tone of Judge Dredd. Tough call, money if you make your product more appealing. However, Garth Ennis's 'The Boys,' now considered a success must prove there's a market for more Adult orientated material. Megacity One strikes me as an almost perfect reflection of current-day America, where Security fears dominate all thinking. That might prove to be both any programmes appeal and its problem. The 'good guys' wear black, shoot to kill and defend a society where an elite have banned Democratic accountability. That might prove disagreeable in the long run, but maybe like GoT they can show that most stories have more than one side to them. The extremism of the Judges came about by Democracy's failure, and like any system, the Justice Department is subject to change and reform.
I don’t see why not. TV shows and movies often spend years in pre-production. There’s no reason this one would be any different.I look at shows like The Mandalorian, the budget on that. Can Rebellion compete? If Mega City One is to be made it can't be on the cheap.
Depends what they’re going for. You can do a lot with sound-stages and greens-screen. But also, if you don’t have high-profile stars and keep expectations realistic, you can do plenty with real-world sets. (See the Dredd movie, for which Garland repeatedly said the $45m budget was bullshit for marketing, and was in fact much lower. Urban claims $30m.)I guess but I thought they were going for a look closer to the comic.
All the $$ == "Double Whammy"
Is that really what we want? (Anyway - happy to wait and see, because ... I have no choice.)
Learning today that the sumptuous Mandalorian locations were all achieved in a studio gives me hope that anything is possible.
It's been around for a while - ARWall were pitching it around 2 years ago, but seemed to have got overlooked by the Disney juggernaut.
Learning today that the sumptuous Mandalorian locations were all achieved in a studio gives me hope that anything is possible.That's impressive but allegedly th budget was $15 million per episode.
And still no sign of this tv series happening.
What, buying a hundred million pound complex to convert into a film studio isn't a sign?
It should be incredibly faithful to the comics as a result.
What, buying a hundred million pound complex to convert into a film studio isn't a sign?
Exciting isnt it!!! I think when this was announced a lot of people (myself included) assumed Rebellion had pitched this to a service and it was just going to get made and funded by Netflix or whoever very soon. Turns out they're doing it absolutely all themselves down to owning the very studio it is filmed in, so it may take a while yet! It should be incredibly faithful to the comics as a result. I wonder if it was pitched first, and then the feedback about what would need changing was what spurred them on to go full DIY.
A fresh start in a new medium means that there will undoubtedly be alterations from the printed page, but that isn't a bad thing. There are a lot of things that the comics does well which wouldn't work at all on the screen. Keep in mind that the complex continuity built up over the years is unlikely to be in place, as that's only going to confuse matters for an audience unfamiliar with the characters - there's robots, psychics, aliens, mutants, the undercity... Hell, the Judge system itself is going to have to be thoroughly explained if casual viewers are to have any chance of following events. I'm expecting changes.It should be incredibly faithful to the comics as a result.
If they've any sense they should be utterly faithful to the core aim of making great TV, and worry about the true-to-the-comic side later. We-the-true-fans are all going to give out shite about it no matter what.
If they've any sense they should be utterly faithful to the core aim of making great TV, and worry about the true-to-the-comic side later. We-the-true-fans are all going to give out shite about it no matter what.A fresh start in a new medium means that there will undoubtedly be alterations from the printed page, but that isn't a bad thing. There are a lot of things that the comics does well which wouldn't work at all on the screen.
Too true - it could be argued that the uniform from the 1995 film was more faithful to the comic uniform than that in the 2012 film - and we know how that turned out - and yet the more recent film seems more faithful to the character of the comic.
The Stallone one just looked weird; all spandex and polished gold.I thought the correct term used in reference to that film was "polished turd."
Hey everyone here's an update.......but er.....still not happening.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do3D-LlIWug
I think it's fair to say it's dead in the water.
Hey everyone here's an update.......but er.....still not happening.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do3D-LlIWug
I think it's fair to say it's dead in the water.
I'm not sure what people expected to happen when it was announced this was being developed, many seem to have assumed that meant they'd have a Dredd series on their telly a year later. That's not how these things work. As someone who works on entertainment media which takes years and years and years to develop before there's anything to tell or show the public, I really don't expect you'll hear anything else until it's much, much further along. Everything in the meantime is just speculation for clickbait.
Hey everyone here's an update.......but er.....still not happening.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do3D-LlIWug
I think it's fair to say it's dead in the water.
I'm not sure what people expected to happen when it was announced this was being developed, many seem to have assumed that meant they'd have a Dredd series on their telly a year later. That's not how these things work. As someone who works on entertainment media which takes years and years and years to develop before there's anything to tell or show the public, I really don't expect you'll hear anything else until it's much, much further along. Everything in the meantime is just speculation for clickbait.
Wow he spends a long time to say he knows nothing, knows no more than anyone else as no real insight and likes to kinda suggest he does and he's due something.This Mr H character? Total plank, he is. He's picked up a rather nasty gathering recently too based on his recent spew he's put out about Hollywood "wokeness" and alt-right inspired clickbait, bandwagon bollocks. Reading his comments, it seems every other one you come across expresses concerns about "them" emasculating Dredd in some way or another. Do they even understand who it is that's making this project?
So this is never going to happen. Never. It was an interesting idea & may have been good.
So this is never going to happen. Never. It was an interesting idea & may have been good.
Well looks like Covid will be a final nail in the coffin. I can't see it happening for a long time...if at all.
Well looks like Covid will be a final nail in the coffin. I can't see it happening for a long time...if at all.If it happens, it won’t be for a long time, but that is entirely usual. If people read a few books on movie and TV series production, I suspect they would be quite surprised how long it takes properties to reach the screen — and reason it’s a small miracle pretty much anything appears at all.
Well looks like Covid will be a final nail in the coffin. I can't see it happening for a long time...if at all.If it happens, it won’t be for a long time, but that is entirely usual. If people read a few books on movie and TV series production, I suspect they would be quite surprised how long it takes properties to reach the screen — and reason it’s a small miracle pretty much anything appears at all.
Guess which ones the producers put in as easter eggs?*But you're not saying that it won't either, right? Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. Say no more.
* I'm not saying that saying nice things on this thread will result in a graffiti tag or billboard poster in the TV series!
ABCwarbot has a history of nay-saying about this project, and I think he's just trolling us. Don't feed the trolls.
Well looks like Covid will be a final nail in the coffin. I can't see it happening for a long time...if at all.If it happens, it won’t be for a long time, but that is entirely usual. If people read a few books on movie and TV series production, I suspect they would be quite surprised how long it takes properties to reach the screen — and reason it’s a small miracle pretty much anything appears at all.
Well looks like Covid will be a final nail in the coffin. I can't see it happening for a long time...if at all.
They're actually one of the few productions who have spoken up about having a plan for that (and it sounds like a similar approach to The Mandalorian which looked very convincing) -
"Rebellion Studios, the film division of UK-based multimedia company Rebellion — which produces comic books, video games, film, and visual effects services — is currently in the process of producing film content with the help of its video game engine. It can create virtual environments that require minimal on-set demand from production teams. Camera work and lighting are performed remotely, actors are motion-captured in and out of scenes, and there’s significant reduction in the amount of work needed in the post-production process, because computer-generated images are being created along with the live-action performances."
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/23/how-hollywood-movie-making-becomes-virtual-after-coronavirus.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/23/how-hollywood-movie-making-becomes-virtual-after-coronavirus.html)
Seems the show hasn't moved forward in months even without the pandemic.
From the article, and all this talk of computer generated sets, and having seen a few bits and pieces of The Mandalorian, does this make it cheaper and more cost effective to make a show? Does that make it more likely that they could budget a pilot for selling to a Netflix, Amazon etc.?That would certainly be a great way of making the show, but according to rumour The Mandalorian was about $15 million per episode! They used Unreal Engine I think for the virtual sets so maybe Rebellion's video game knowledge would be helpful here.
From the article, and all this talk of computer generated sets, and having seen a few bits and pieces of The Mandalorian, does this make it cheaper and more cost effective to make a show? Does that make it more likely that they could budget a pilot for selling to a Netflix, Amazon etc.?That would certainly be a great way of making the show, but according to rumour The Mandalorian was about $15 million per episode! They used Unreal Engine I think for the virtual sets so maybe Rebellion's video game knowledge would be helpful here.
I don't have any inside info that's why I said seems, not a definitive statement.Seems the show hasn't moved forward in months even without the pandemic.
Does it? What's your inside info?
Jesus, $15 mil? That's hard to believe -- it looked good but not 15$ mil/episode good.From the article, and all this talk of computer generated sets, and having seen a few bits and pieces of The Mandalorian, does this make it cheaper and more cost effective to make a show? Does that make it more likely that they could budget a pilot for selling to a Netflix, Amazon etc.?That would certainly be a great way of making the show, but according to rumour The Mandalorian was about $15 million per episode! They used Unreal Engine I think for the virtual sets so maybe Rebellion's video game knowledge would be helpful here.
It looks like Karl Urban is still onboard for a Dredd return
www.comicbookmovie.com/judge_dredd/dredd-star-karl-urban-hopes-to-return-as-judge-dredd-in-planned-mega-city-one-live-action-series-a177663#gs.ddmwk6
there are countless possibilities with the technology we are seeing being created to bring some of the Mega-epics to life, on a smaller budget.
It looks like Karl Urban is still onboard for a Dredd returnFantastic news! And on my birthday no less.
www.comicbookmovie.com/judge_dredd/dredd-star-karl-urban-hopes-to-return-as-judge-dredd-in-planned-mega-city-one-live-action-series-a177663#gs.ddmwk6
there are countless possibilities with the technology we are seeing being created to bring some of the Mega-epics to life, on a smaller budget.
I want The Cursed Earth, shot entirely in a quarry in a Wales with model work for the Killdozer sequences using the original Matchbox toys.
there are countless possibilities with the technology we are seeing being created to bring some of the Mega-epics to life, on a smaller budget.
I want The Cursed Earth, shot entirely in a quarry in a Wales with model work for the Killdozer sequences using the original Matchbox toys.
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It's a good lesson to remind onself that quite a lot of stuff on here and on YouTube is utter tripe and made up garbage. I know this because there's a series of rumours going around about one of the projects I'm producing, Judge Dredd: Mega City One and which story line we're using.
Who knows where this rumour has come from but it's utter boll*cks. I know this because I know what's in the script, (and no I'm not going to tell you what is), but it's not what they're saying, not even close, not even vaguely. Two facts, it's got Judge Dredd in and it's set in Mega City One.
Any update? This is getting silly now.
Tales from Development Hell by David Hughes is well worth reading if anyone wants insight into the process of making movies.