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Colin YNWA

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Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« on: 19 June, 2021, 05:15:49 PM »
Yah know what. If last weeks was a bit of a dip, this one bounces back nicely... which is weird when you consider we've swapped out Feral and Foe for Skipperty... so let's a closer look and work out why... its all in the fine margins.

Dredd steps up from a solid opener to a cracking story builder. Before we get to that HOW GOOD IS COLIN MACNEIL... I mean he's always been very good but somehow he's managed to get even better. And then we get to the story - fantastic. I kinda wonder if Mr W is still coming up with PJ stories, but having taken PJ off the table has to create another tale around it. Either waty this tale of a careful man making one mistake and the escalating consequences if superb.

Mechastopheles remains as it was really. Boo Cook seems to have found the story he was born to draw, it looks stunning. I'm surprised its only 4 parts as I kinda lost track of it - this is fine, I look forward to re-reading it... but feel I need to.

Department K returns to being outright brilliant. Again art to die for, but the story is a blast as well. The fantastic turn up of last issue sends the team... well most the team into dangerous environs and its all just wonderfully realised great fun.

Skipper... Skip Tracer - Right last time this was pretty good, nowt special but good. This time we get to another decent opener with some potential. Let's be clear this series has done that before and dipped quickly into medocrity but two of the stories have also been good now so for the time being this opener gives it the benefit of the doubt. Mind lines like

"Must've missed the memo"

Have it on warning! Oh and more stunning art from Mr Marshal (P)

Chimpsky's Law alway loved the character, wanted him out of Dredd so he could do different things and I've got want i wanted. This is just such fun, such wonderful fun. Its quite superb. Art... well see above really. Brilliant, brilliant strip.

So the difference is minor but basically comes down to three strips that were good last week nudging up to great this week and the rest ticking along.

Simple really ain't it.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #1 on: 19 June, 2021, 05:36:25 PM »
which is weird when you consider we've swapped out Feral and Foe for Skipperty...

Even weirder given that Tharg promised us Aquila.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #2 on: 19 June, 2021, 05:55:45 PM »
which is weird when you consider we've swapped out Feral and Foe for Skipperty...

Even weirder given that Tharg promised us Aquila.

Next week apparently.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #3 on: 19 June, 2021, 07:01:33 PM »
Cover by Dave Kendall:


Old age is the Lord’s way of telling us to step aside for something new. Death’s in case we didn’t take the hint.

The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #4 on: 19 June, 2021, 07:01:53 PM »
Cover and Logo:


Old age is the Lord’s way of telling us to step aside for something new. Death’s in case we didn’t take the hint.

The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #5 on: 20 June, 2021, 09:55:42 AM »
I'm a bit perturbed by this latest Dredd story.  When I realised it was Wagner this came as a surprise since there's so much about this tale that seems familiar:

- hitman is hired to take out someone;
- something goes wrong during the hit that opens up suspicion;
- the investigation puts the hitman in further danger;
- turns out that the hit was a double cross to set up the hitman ...

Okay, so the last one hasn't turned up yet, it's from Dredd: The Big Sleep, prog 466-7 by Grover and Kennedy.  Whether it turns out the same way remains to be seen but the similarities have taken the sheen off it a little.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #6 on: 20 June, 2021, 03:18:37 PM »
That description of the Dredd story is a little reductive to be useful in comparing the two - thats Plot F of Crime Fiction in general, so it's hard to say its a specific rip off of a particular Dredd - it's just a common hook that we've probably seen in Dredd a helluva lot more times than just The Big Sleep.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #7 on: 20 June, 2021, 07:20:07 PM »
That description of the Dredd story is a little reductive to be useful in comparing the two - thats Plot F of Crime Fiction in general, so it's hard to say its a specific rip off of a particular Dredd - it's just a common hook that we've probably seen in Dredd a helluva lot more times than just The Big Sleep.

Also, I very much doubt Wagner pores lovingly over Case Files books the way we do - is he really going to remember a two-parter published 35 years ago?

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #8 on: 21 June, 2021, 03:27:59 PM »
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Is that a Knob whale? :o
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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #9 on: 21 June, 2021, 03:43:20 PM »
I loved the Dredd. A dark, grim tale packed with black humour as the assassin’s lot gradually becomes more absurd and difficult to get out of. Chumsky was also first-rate, very much justifying spinning him off from Dredd.

Dept K is a bit “jury still out” for me. It’s fun enough, but personally suffers from ditching an interesting premise (group lost in dimensions, fighting their way home) to “prod a button and WHOOSH” sort-of science. Mechastopheles looks lovely, but, wow, that was a short run. I need to read the original again though, which handily showed up with the Meg.

Skip Tracer… I dunno. There must be something in this, and there must be a whole bunch of people away from the forum who are fans for it to be so regularly commissioned. I’m not feeling it. It still feels very grey to me. It’s not bad, but it lacks spark.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #10 on: 22 June, 2021, 01:13:40 PM »
That description of the Dredd story is a little reductive to be useful in comparing the two - thats Plot F of Crime Fiction in general, so it's hard to say its a specific rip off of a particular Dredd - it's just a common hook that we've probably seen in Dredd a helluva lot more times than just The Big Sleep.

Also, I very much doubt Wagner pores lovingly over Case Files books the way we do - is he really going to remember a two-parter published 35 years ago?

No, fair points.  Like I said, it's more perturbed than anything else.  Not saying that it is sacrilege or anything like that.  Maybe it's just where I'm at right now (x ref with Black Dog Thread) ... a Wagner Dredd not doing it for me is a little worrying!

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #11 on: 22 June, 2021, 06:02:47 PM »
If I have any issues with the Dredd, it's that for a seemingly top level invisible assassin, he is actng like a real rookie!  Surely killing the son is just raising the chance mom is going to tell the Judges about him having seen a man shoot a gun.  Mom needs to go as well!

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #12 on: 23 June, 2021, 12:44:30 AM »
We've only got the character's word for it that he's a top-level assassin. Maybe that's just how he sees himself, and he's actually a bit shit and doesn't know it.

The way it's going, I think the plot is probably closer to the song about the old woman who swallowed a fly, than another Dredd story.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #13 on: 23 June, 2021, 04:11:57 AM »
A good solid prog

Dredd – From bad to worse, this is just going to get messier as the tale unfolds. Colin’s art is just awesome, and Wagner knows how to pull you into his imagination. Top Dreddness.

Mechastopheles – A little disappointed with the quick ending of the story, I was getting into and wham it is done.  This was a lovely 4-part story, and everything is setup for a return. Good script and art by the team.

Department K – The “Aliens”-effect into the bowels of the beast. Some interesting new developments as the story continues. Cornwell’s art is the highlight of the story.

Skip Tracer – A surprise return but at least we have a good opener here. The story looks like it can head into some interesting directions.

Chimpsky – The great silly fun continues, and the rollercoaster ride is not over. Top notch fun by the team.
 
Old age is the Lord’s way of telling us to step aside for something new. Death’s in case we didn’t take the hint.

The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp.

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Re: Prog 2237 - Demons of the Deep
« Reply #14 on: 23 June, 2021, 09:24:38 AM »
We also have the fact he was hired to kill someone out from under Dredd's nose, so he must have some kind of reputation....


We've only got the character's word for it that he's a top-level assassin. Maybe that's just how he sees himself, and he's actually a bit shit and doesn't know it.

The way it's going, I think the plot is probably closer to the song about the old woman who swallowed a fly, than another Dredd story.