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Title: Why is Army of Darkness considered pap?
Post by: Carlsborg Expert. on 07 March, 2005, 07:15:05 PM
I think the film has potentially the most original concepts on film in the era of its making.

I mean horrific demons,fought by olde world knights.

Inspired!
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Trout on 07 March, 2005, 07:17:39 PM
And pap.

But great fun. I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: irving9000 on 07 March, 2005, 07:24:26 PM
been a while since i saw it but what I really loved about it was the fact that Ash was dropped in the middle of a medieval war fought with shitty weapons - and he has his car and shotgun! cue Ash driving around medieval battlefield mowing down demons and blasting them with his 'boomstick' etc. while being hailed as a god!fucking brilliant!
and the different endings are class
Title: SCB vs Total War
Post by: Bad Andy on 07 March, 2005, 07:41:23 PM
Second City Blues will be running for 13 episodes. Total War only ran for 12.

Does the board think that Dredd should be allowed a longer main run on some stories when you take into account that a newbie story was invested with more episodes?

Or is it because Dredd is so established that storylines can be condensed easier? If this is so, should all new strips be allowed a good long run to start off?
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Megadeth on 07 March, 2005, 07:52:37 PM
I didn't realise it was considered pap!

I've always seen it as at least as good as Evil Dead I/II, In fact i know loads of people who think it's the best of the three.

Anyone tells you it's pap... punch 'em (it's better than 'Hawk the Slayer' ;) )
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Funtwangle on 07 March, 2005, 07:54:03 PM
i saw evil dead last night

christ it was boring

are the other ones any good
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 March, 2005, 08:00:00 PM
I think, because it's a sequel, it suffers harsher criticism.

For people looking for "more of the same", it didn't really deliver, as it's a completely different movie from I and II (themselves, of course, very similar).

Perhaps, to "the critics", it didn't work because it was more of an outright comedy than the previous movies.

The crucial difference, for me, is that Evil Dead I & II are tense and scary (whilst still being comedic in places) whereas Army of Darkness simply is not scary.  It's gory, amusing, inventive and bizarre:  but it's just not scary.  For a horror movie, that's got to be a downside.

(Of course, it would be unfair to compare Alien and Aliens, as they are completely different sub-genres of sci-fi:  horror and action respectively.)
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Trout on 07 March, 2005, 08:18:43 PM
The Evil Dead: B&W and home-made horror film, ground-breaking for its time and budget.

The Evil Dead II: A colour remake/extension of the first film, and genuinely chilling in places, IMO, if a little dated now by the stop-motion stuff. Elements of horror comedy, especially the chainsaw scene: "groovy!"

The Evil Dead III: Army of Darkness: more of a comedy than a horror film, with actual slapstick humour, and slightly better effects.

- Trout
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Krustabi on 07 March, 2005, 08:24:19 PM
I thought Evil Dead 1 was pretty shocking, especially considering how old the special effects are.
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Wils on 07 March, 2005, 08:26:36 PM
The Evil Dead: B&W and home-made horror film, ground-breaking for its time and budget.

Evil Dead was in colour. Are you possibly confusing it with 'Within the Woods' which was the short film they touted around to get funding for the first ED?
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Wils on 07 March, 2005, 08:34:17 PM
And after a short bit of research, Within the Woods seems to be colour as well.

"It's 8 minutes of set-up and 20 minutes of running around sticking knives in people"
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Carlsborg Expert. on 07 March, 2005, 08:34:25 PM
Oh, the scariest thing about Evil Deads I,II and III is that they have evolved into an infinite universe.

One being a routine dip into primal fears,two excelling as a class definition of the gruesome horror and three, slipping away from the leash completely.

 
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Trout on 07 March, 2005, 09:05:22 PM
No idea why I remembered it as b&w. Sorry. :-)
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: LSDfish on 07 March, 2005, 09:11:39 PM
saw ED I last night too,  thought it was pretty shocking too,  puts you right in there in that cabin with 'em  sorta scary,  after watchin it i could have forgiven the censors for banning it,  prolly just thought they were protecting the world from the forces of evil,  not that i think it should be banned and it is undoubtbly well done
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Wils on 07 March, 2005, 09:25:56 PM
IIRC, the only reason ED1 was ever banned was for part of the 'tree rape' scene, where you see the vine disappear between Ellen Sandweiss' legs. This was eventually cut (early 90s, I think), which made the film available on video for the first time since the '84 video nasty act. I'm pretty sure versions that have been released in recent years on DVD have all been uncut (but don't quote me on that). :)
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: LSDfish on 07 March, 2005, 09:30:30 PM
pretty sure it was uncut on the telly
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 March, 2005, 10:38:37 PM
Aye - the tele version is the uncut version - been available on DVD for years now.

It was always a very fast cut anyway - blink and you miss it.

You'd have thought that a headless animated corpse spewing blood into someone's mouth for several seconds was worse than a couple of frames of suggested penetration, but then I never was big on censorship.  
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: doktor bee on 08 March, 2005, 12:05:45 AM
i have all three evil dead movies on DVD.
the first movie is my favourite followed by army of darkness. i heard they are going to remake evil dead. but does it really need remaking again?evil dead two was just a remake of evil dead one bassically
Title: Re: Why is Army of Darkness consid...
Post by: Woolly on 09 March, 2005, 02:57:00 AM
Gonna be re-made with an entirely new cast and production team, with Raimi as executive producer, which sounds pretty good IMO! (as long as its up to the standards of the Dawn of the Dead re-make)

And, Raimi's also confirmed he's going to write Evil Dead 4 after hes done the next Spiderman film! Only downer is that Bruce Campbells said he doesnt want to play Ash again.

Got the above info from Total Film, so it seems legit.