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Title: Prog 1473 - Oi, twat.
Post by: Bad Andy on 30 January, 2006, 04:17:21 PM
The cover is not bad. It's the story inside that I can't make head nor tail of.

Will someone please explain what is happening in the first three pages?

As for Cabs - bet no-one was expecting that!
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Post by: Dudley on 30 January, 2006, 04:38:44 PM
Does the front cover actually read "Oi, twat!"???
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Post by: Funt Solo on 30 January, 2006, 05:26:57 PM
I was wondering that myself - and no, it doesn't.

Have a look at the cover here.
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Post by: Dudley on 30 January, 2006, 05:43:07 PM
Thank god for that - I thought Big Dave was back.
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Post by: Grant Goggans on 30 January, 2006, 06:20:05 PM
You know, Synnamon's always registered calamitously low on the thrill-scale and I've been ambivalent about her returning, but that is a hell of a good cover, and now I'm looking forward to reading it.
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Post by: Funt Solo on 30 January, 2006, 06:24:02 PM
...in which Synnamon must team up with Big Dave, Manchester's hardest man, to fight the evil of a possessed Chronos Carnival, accidentally brought back to life by the space garbage collector, Junker, as he attempted to activate a magical device last used in Dry Run and later uncovered Below Zero by Matt Talon, on a quest to avenge his dead pet polar bear mascot, Son of Shako!
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Post by: I, Cosh on 30 January, 2006, 06:49:06 PM
Was her bosom part of the whole cybernetic enhancement deal?
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Post by: Leigh S on 30 January, 2006, 07:07:57 PM
If it was, I'd be asking for my money back...
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Post by: Bad Andy on 30 January, 2006, 08:51:58 PM
Does the front cover actually read "Oi, twat!"???

The phrase is actually in one of the strips and I liked it better than the uninspired 'Synns of the Past'.

And it's my perogative as thread starter to choose, as demonstrated by the gay jurisidction moniker chosen last week :>
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Post by: petesbeats on 30 January, 2006, 10:14:31 PM
Massive Cabs Spoiler


















Dr Brand is dead!!!!!!!  Looks like Cabs isnt going to be the ongoing story that id like it to be.  Do you think that it could all be getting wrapped up sooner than expected???
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Post by: thrillpowerseeker on 30 January, 2006, 11:19:27 PM
s  y  n  n  a  m  o  n  s     b  a  c  k  ..




why?

all thrillpower generated by the other excellent stories immediately disappears up the  gaping gash which this turd fell out of...

why Tharg why?...WE'LL HAVE A WHIP ROUND SO YOU CAN HIRE A PRIVATE DETECTIVE TO GET THE PHOTO'S BACK!!!
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Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 January, 2006, 11:31:25 PM
And it's my perogative as thread starter to choose, as demonstrated by the gay jurisidiction moniker chosen last week

Ahem. Yes, well. Last time I start the prog review thread.
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Post by: Funt Solo on 31 January, 2006, 12:05:01 AM
GREAT STEAMING SPOILERS

SPOILERS, I SAY!

Ee-ouk!

I guess a happy ending in which Jenny gets depossessed and her and Brand lead a happy retirement isn't on the cards, then?
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Post by: LARF on 31 January, 2006, 02:05:47 AM
excellent tits!
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Post by: Pete Wells on 31 January, 2006, 03:39:31 AM
The other surgeon looks familliar...

Pete.
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Post by: Pete Wells on 31 January, 2006, 03:41:13 AM
Second try!
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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 31 January, 2006, 03:55:50 AM
you forgot the involvement of Zippy Couriers, and the bear's fight with the Rain Dogs
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Post by: thrillpowerseeker on 31 January, 2006, 04:17:03 AM
i like the name FLANGEETA..
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Post by: Bolt-01 on 31 January, 2006, 05:19:44 AM
A cracking cover, with four out of five thrills hitting the spot in all sorts of ways.

I REALLY want to like Synnamon, but the script just doesn't do it for me. David Roach is always welcome, but Clayton/Dows script seems a little off. How did Synn go from being a secret superspy to some sort of celeb? Why did the kids recognise her? It doesn't 'feel' right.

Ah well, this is only the first episode. Give it some room, she's been away for a year.

Bolt-01
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Post by: Pete Wells on 31 January, 2006, 01:14:04 PM
Dut David Roach's art on Synamon is bloody lovely. Why couldn't they have saved him for a Dredd... why, why?

Pete.
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Post by: Dudley on 31 January, 2006, 03:16:53 PM
If you haven?t read the Prog, don?t read this thread!


Top Five ? superb to Slaine

Canicallyouacaballistics ? Number one with a gun.  And I retroactively award every other episode of this series first place too.  Of course, next week Jonathan may emerge from under a Tube train, proclaiming ?don?t worry, just a scratch, nothing to see here, now let?s get that rotter Nessy??   But somehow Ah don? TINK so.
The Ten Seconders Droops a little, paradoxically, with the introduction of more shooty-shooty-bang-bang action.  Nevertheless, and hats off to Bad Andy for spotting it, this does indeed contain the top line of the issue.
Judge Dredd: Look No Stereotypes - A man with a name like ?Wagner? is presumably allowed the odd pop at the Hun.  Looking forward to seeing how all the pieces fit together.
Synnamon.  As per usual, it?ll take a second or third re-read to grasp Clayton & Dows? tightly plotted, ultra-dense pages.  I just hope that, as with the first series of Synnamon (and unlike The Clench monstrosity) everything turns out to make sense.  Still like the heroine but it desperately needs the gorgeous art of Laurence Campbell to give it the requisite sense of fun.  Nice cover.
Slaine. Actually picks up a bit this week ? the dialogue improves, anyway ? but is still woefully behind everything else in the prog.  Very relieved to see from Pat Mills? preview over at 2000adreview that this series is taking an extended break after this.
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Post by: petemaskreplica on 31 January, 2006, 03:54:04 PM
Everything's good this week, but it all fades in my mind (even Dredd, which is saying something) compared with what went through my mind when I read Caballistics, namely: Holy fucking shit!!!
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Post by: Bad Andy on 01 February, 2006, 03:57:36 AM
Wahey - WE'RE BACK!

Incidentally anyone else who is suitably impressed by this cover - if not the story whihc I still need explaining - check out the link below

Link: How to draw

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Post by: Bico on 01 February, 2006, 05:05:56 AM
The news that Synnamon is back is possibly the one reason that I get out of bed in the morning.
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Post by: Proudhuff on 01 February, 2006, 06:26:36 AM


Grreat issue, except old clunky slaine and the too involved artwork

Super cabfabbylistics all together now
We're down at the tubestation at midnight wooowo!

Well-er Huff
 
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Post by: paulvonscott on 01 February, 2006, 04:43:14 PM
Well, prog's going well, as it has been all of this year.

No real problem with Synnamon it's just got that Tyranny Rex feel of not knowing where we are or why about it.  Even with all the earth/colony worlds infodump.

Pleased to see my letter wasn't one of the ones Tharg lost, pleased to see it printed, pleased to see it was a star letter, pleased to see Tharg has a sense of humour and sent me out the Sininster Dexter graphic novel Slay per View.

As I got out of the shower to answer the door, and picked up the parcel, images of Case Files and Total War went through my head, maybe a Rogue or Robohunter book, 'ooh' (to quote 'Camp' Rennie from Speakeasy no. 114), what could it be?  

Sinister 'Fucking' Dexter.

Shame Stronts over, ended too soon for me!
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Post by: Bolt-01 on 01 February, 2006, 05:21:12 PM
Top Link Bad Andy.

Wake- would it be poss to link things like that feature to the profile page of each prog?

It would be a nifty thing to have a read of without having to trawl for them.

Bolt-01
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Post by: Wake on 01 February, 2006, 05:23:55 PM
Wake- would it be poss to link things like that feature to the profile page of each prog?

How do you think Bad Andy found it?

Cheers,

Wake
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Post by: Bolt-01 on 01 February, 2006, 06:44:55 PM
ah.

Bolt-01 skulks away as he's not posted his votes yet...
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Post by: WoD on 01 February, 2006, 08:15:22 PM
Cool link there Bad Andy.
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Post by: chris_askham on 01 February, 2006, 09:30:55 PM
That is, without a doubt, one of my favourite covers in a long long time. Nice one, Dylan Teague.

Although not too keen on David Roach's work on the actual strip.

Starting to get a bit tired of  Clint Langley's Slaine stuff now too. Quite liked it in the past, but he seems to be reusing his background images with alarming regularity in carnival, I'm noticing. A bit like watching a bad Hanna Barbara cartoon.
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Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 01 February, 2006, 11:42:44 PM
I tell you one thing. This prog has been the first I've finished it and then loudly said "Holy fucking shit!" while on a packed bus.
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Post by: JIMMY DREDD on 02 February, 2006, 01:06:16 AM
Porco from Slaine was wearing Obelix's trousers and then Asterix got a mention on the letters page. Would you Adam and Eve it?
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 02 February, 2006, 04:29:54 AM
Enjoyed the Prog.

Cabals - top thrill - of course nobody is dead until you can see the body and you don't actually see Rupert Bear going under the train (though a bird I once lived with saw someone top themselves in such a fashion).

"Ah, so the villains are clone babies from the German hit parade who are genetically predisposed to murder people and eat their hearts."  How can you not love a story that gives you the opportunity to type a sentence like that.  Some of the art was a bit crap this week though - definitely a couple of "rushed" panels. I thought the same last week, actually.  And there are a couple of panels with loads of empty space that just seem to be composed all wrong (same with a big splash of Judges entering room last week).

Slaine - I'm really not enjoying script or art.  Even in Tharg's little box on the Nerve Centre it sounds crap. "Slaine saves his people from Formorian invaders, does works for the goddess throughout the ages and now plays cluedo at a circus..."

Synnamonanan - I'd suggest (in reply to PVS) that
the "where we are or why about" Synammon is simply:
"Guys, can we do a sexy secret agent strip?"  
"But what's her back story?"
"She's a sexy secret agent"
"Who does she work for?"
"Sexy Secret Agents Undercover Incorporated"
"Why?"
"She's sexy and likes to uncover secrets"
Given that, it's still readable if a little unbelievable at points (her ship is first to intercept and penetrate the ragtag fleet thing?).

Trying to enjoy the Ten Seconders but having trouble with some messy art and clunky pop (ten year old or is Noel trendy again?) references.

The Cover - I might be alone in thinking this but, despite it being of a sexy, secret agent, I didn't like the cover.  I know the sexy secret agent is squeezing into a tight little hole but some of the anatomy looks plain wrong and deformed.

Sort of like she's disconnected. Almost as if we drew a sexy bum and legs and then drew some pendulous breasts and then drew a pretty face and then stuck them together hoping for the best.

Nice letters and I loike the bit in the Input about the small press community and upcoming Megazine article.  Did anybody here get interviewed for it?
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Post by: Bolt-01 on 02 February, 2006, 03:32:51 PM
I know a few folks were asked, but I've no idea about the final article.

Bolt-01
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Post by: LARF on 02 February, 2006, 03:37:15 PM
"Synnamonanan - I'd suggest (in reply to PVS) that
the "where we are or why about" Synammon is simply:
"Guys, can we do a sexy secret agent strip?"
"But what's her back story?"
"She's a sexy secret agent"
"Who does she work for?"
"Sexy Secret Agents Undercover Incorporated"
"Why?"
"She's sexy and likes to uncover secrets"
Given that, it's still readable if a little unbelievable at points (her ship is first to intercept and penetrate the ragtag fleet thing?). "

Tip - you forgot about the - "because we're 2000ad and have Judge Dredd most of our artists are very good at drawing light leather outfits - so let's give her a tight leather outfit, or maybe not leather PVC you know that type of thing. Maybe it could be an alien material, but it must be black and tight, like a bin liner pulled over your arm..."

Love the cover though, one of the best.
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Post by: Roger Godpleton on 03 February, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
Cover: Eyecatching Teague Goodness, very detailed but with a strong central image. Very Good Stuff.

Dredd: An okay procedural blossoms into a wonderfully dark tale about clones. I love the artwork here, it really brings out the grim nature of the tale whilst avoiding the grand guignol excesses that could of easily occurred. More Goddard please. This is a really intriuguing tale, and I hope we see more like this in '06. Very Good Stuff.

Slaine: I enjoyed this to begin with, but it's just too crowded now, and Slaine as the rational detective type fails to convince. Langley's had a good run lately, but whilst this wasn't the flame-effectoplypse I was dreading, it seems he's gone back to staticness. Kai's girlfriend is generic, and I don't care about any of these characters. And why is Ukko so underutilized? It makes no sense, considering it's his meal tickets who are being offed. Bad Stuff.

Second Tenors: These "celebrity" jokes are so lame that it hurts. Our heroine's pleas for mercy were the only good bit in this. As with Slaine, I'm having difficulty keeping up with the names of bland characters that I don't care about, and how did they get that giant robot thingy? And why would you try and take on a GOD head on, as opposed to sneaking up on him? Considering most of your other pals die within 10 seconds of meeting them, this makes no sense. The art is nice, but nothing could make this fun for Jim. Bad Stuff.

Synnamon. Love Roach's art here, really drew me in, and kept me interested. Some depth is added to the 'mon universe here, but it's too early to tell if this will be a top-notch tale yet. Promising though. Good Stuff.

Caballistics Inc. My only gripe with this tale has been the sidelining of the fairies to the Life and Times of Ethan Kostabi & Jr. That's only a minor gripe though. The script is enthralling, and the art really brings out the best from the world of Cab. Plus that cliffhanger is great. Great Stuff.

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Post by: Oddboy on 03 February, 2006, 08:07:36 PM
I don't quite get the "Sl?ine playing Cluedo" idea... he's not exactly going about like a detective: he's going about hacking things up until there's only one suspect left.
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Post by: Thursday on 03 February, 2006, 08:22:49 PM
Wait, that's not how you're supposed to play?
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Post by: House of Usher on 03 February, 2006, 08:48:34 PM
Another enjoyable Prog.

SPOILER...?







*So* - Ness pushed that other guy under the train, then?






Is that what happened...?
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Post by: The Amstor Computer on 03 February, 2006, 09:28:58 PM
Looks like it. Although you never see Ness in full frame giving poor old Brand the heave-ho, it's pretty strongly implied that he was the one doing it.

BTW - anyone got a guess as to the identity of the person who Vesper Nox thought Magister was going to kill? In the context - begging for his life, trying to persuade Ness to release him, aware of Kostabi's link to Ness - it would seem that it's most likely to be either Ness or Kostabi. Any other hypotheses?
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Post by: Trout on 04 February, 2006, 05:43:55 AM
Enjoyed the prog!

Slaine's flawed but readable and Synnamon's good enough so far. I liked the cover.

It was a terrific twist in Dredd, and the Ten Seconders is motoring along well.

Highlight of the prog was the utterly exciting Caballistics Inc.

Cheeeeeeeeers

- Trout
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Post by: Funt Solo on 04 February, 2006, 08:55:19 AM
:: "Any other hypotheses?"

Magister still has a bone to pick with Sir Alex Nestor - and possibly any other surviving members of Department Q.  It was killing three of them that got him locked up in the first place.

It's possible that, since (it's implied) he once worked with Emmanuel Konterman, that he's aware of who Ethan Kostabi is.  

Plus, he battled against Ravne (or specifically Sonderkommando Thule) during WWII, so he may quite fancy the idea of nullifying him, as well.

My huge guess is that the Magister-strand will be left dangling - although possibly with him on the loose.