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may be in line to get next gen...but cant decide which to go for...still worried about the ring of death for the xbox....any advice?

360 for the low cost probably makes more sense for a next-gen newbie.  PS3 is more of a purchase for the long game - it's usually only after a year or two that Sony machines start to come into their own as developers figure out how to code games for them (360 being more of a low/mid-range PC in its machine-gizzards), plus firmware is updated every so often with new video codecs for MP3 playback, so it's probably worth not getting a PS3 until this has happened a few more times and the machine's a bit more impressive.  The shop should have a lot more stuff you can download by then, too.
360 has had a head start on PS3, and thus has a few exclusives, a decent-sized second-hand catalogue, and the chances of getting GTA4 are quite good, as they pressed 3 times as many copies for the 360 as they did for the PS3, and my local gaming emporium has yet to sell out of 360 copies.  Even if you do get ring of death, they fix the machine and send it back to you quite quickly, and it probably won't happen for months anyway.  You might even find a 360 second-hand that's already been fixed if you look around.

Yeah, I'd go for 360, very happy with mine.

I guess it depends if you think having a blu-ray player is a massive + or you don't care atall.

 [There have been so many threads about this already]

 Anyway being in the same situation unless i go for the cheap option and buy an XBOX i have to say that i would go for a 360 as i am not interested in Blue Ray in the slightest.

Wii!

I'm riding with my boy Billy G for lyfe.

There's an awesome pre-owned sale at Game now BTW. Yesterday I got Bioshock and the Darkness for under £30.

I spent a good while dithering over which one to buy before settling on a PS3.

Although they both seem good a few things swung it for me, one was the built in wireless - an extra cost on the 360, plus I'm only a really casual games player these days (no more time or energy for the marathon sessions of a few years ago)and I wanted the media side of the console too.

I have few blu-ray discs that I got with my laptop so that helped make my mind up as well as a psp which can connect to it (for films etc).

From what I can gather the 360 has a much better online experience for the time being but I can cope with what I got - it does cod4 ok.

At the end of the day though I wouldn't have been too dissapointed with either.

I'm buying a PS3 today. I really dont think its got as good a line up as 360 but I still want one.

Then again I bought an Atari Jaguar when it came out so what the hell do I know?


Mmmm...Tempest.

If you're that much of a Tempest fan, you can get it on Xbox Live for the 360...

M@

Getting online is my next move. Just moved house so still loads of stuff to fix before that. On Live the arcade games I fancy are Space Giraffe(?) and New Pacman.

360 then PS3 later.

There was a really long thread of late about all this. loads of opinions there.

360's innards aren't really like a mid-range PC.

It's a triple core 6 hardware thread based power PC CPU (not found in PC's) and custom GPU.

The suff being show right now shows that, just like PS3, it continues to be pushed and deliver better results.

Both are powerful both will stay neck and neck this gen and it just comes down to what games you want I reckon.

I think you should boycott the PS3 because of their horrible ads...

M@

Link: Sony PlayStation 3: Thumb | Ads of the World: Crea

When my 360 died, I got it back within two weeks, which is pretty good.  And you get a months extra LIVE to make up for it (ooo...£4...!)

Yup- mine arrived back yesterday, with a month's Live.

All I need now is GTA4...

thankyou one and all ,i never read any other threads cos it wasnt an issue b4.
   gonna go for the xbox 360!
gta4
elder scrolls oblivion
and either ghost recon,rainbow 6 vegas and cod ...

  EEuuugggh


 Horrible ad.

 Horrible.Not sure what they are getting at and i dont care either but Xbox 360 here i Come !!

[apologies but i could not resist and whats more i never ever thought i would ever buy any Microsoft product]

Anyone seen the promo's for Banjo 3 or Viva Pinata 2?  Both look fantastic (VP was one of the best games on the 360 thus far for me, so relaxing and fun).

Fable 2 also looks like being great. Can't wait.

I have a ps3 but my son wants a 360 for Christmas.
As I understand it if he wants to play online he has to buy a seperate router or something for wireless, but can it be wired into the router and does it have the wire in the box? And is it very long?
Also, does he have to pay to go online or does he get some time with the console?
Seems complicated and expensive compared to ps3.

Quote from: "Martin Jameson"I have a ps3 but my son wants a 360 for Christmas.
As I understand it if he wants to play online he has to buy a seperate router or something for wireless, but can it be wired into the router and does it have the wire in the box? And is it very long?
Also, does he have to pay to go online or does he get some time with the console?
Seems complicated and expensive compared to ps3.

hi,as i recently took the onine plunge, you get a cable and its about 1.5 - 2 m long (no im not measuring it, that kind of anally obsessive statistic collecting is buttonmans and i wouldnt want to stand on his toes.)

you do get 3mths live gold membership free but i lost mine,god knows how,i'm thinking toddler toddler scissors and doodle do on cbeebies. slver is free any way but you cant play online just download a few freebies. i am going to splash on microsoft points though and get the dlc (downloadable content) for ye olde fable 2  'if the boy gets fable 2add the moggy zoom as a freind and ill sort him some decent weaponary as i did with  steve millars lad. good weapons are expensive but worth it!
big fan onthe master cutlass and turret rifle meself...hope this ramble helps some ....see ya

...oh yeah and we have the one router in t'front room and it works when im slaying while the wife's hot deals uking
as to wireless,no idea .

The PS3 has a built-in wireless modem, so you should already be online unless your wireless setup is security-enabled, in which case, you need a web key or something like that - your provider should talk you through any setup process.

PS3 is going down in price by another hundred quid in the new year.  Soon be time to invest in one for the bedroom, methinks.

I'm going for the PS3 160 gb. The built in wireless and blu-ray sold me, plus online play is free. Also they are working on a deal to download netflix to your console.

Will be getting a PS3 sometime soon and then I will be Chadwarden

Quote from: "jakeblues69"I'm going for the PS3 160 gb. The built in wireless and blu-ray sold me, plus online play is free. Also they are working on a deal to download netflix to your console.

Netflix is 360 in the US, are Sony doing it now too?

Re the 100 pund price drop.. was that not a confirmed rumour?  with Sony puting a lot of their goos up in price (up to 33%) due to the strong yen I'd be stunned ifthey dropped it that much.

Never say never though I guess.

I think the 360 price now makes it a fantastic and affordable way to access to a plethora of great games at a good price.

PS3 is good too but the price needs to drop before it will really take off I think.

I like them both.

Ordered the PS3 160Gb, Fallout3 and a blu-ray remote from amazon today. Redeemed 527 dollars worth of spare change at the coinstar machine and got an amazon gift card to use for this.

I heard some sales people at EB games talking about the PS3/netflix thing a few weeks ago and thats as much as I know about it.

A week after my PS3 came, Amazon sent me a 60 dollar gift code to buy PS3 games/accessories. You have to get the 160GB Drakes Fortune pack. Don't know when I'll get around to playing D'sF as Fallout has me totally pre-occupied.

Sony denied the price drop, but I think that was just common sense coming up to christmas, as if potential buyers still on the fence knew there was a 100 quid price drop coming in the new year, they'd wait for it.

The bundles offered in a lot of stores offset the lack of an actual price drop at the minute, although there's no PS2 compatibility with the newer machines - then again, the games are plummeting in price at the minute and there's a huge second-hand market just developed for PS3 titles.

I'm pretty sure my PS2 will be collecting dust from now on. So sure, I'm going to give it to my buddies kid.

We're having the same conundrum at Chateau Tanky right now. If anyone can help with the following, I'd be much less confused!

1. Is it still possible to get a backwards compatible PS3 in the UK? If so, which one is it and how much?
2. Does anyone have any idea whether final fantasy is going cross-platform or staying on the playstation only? I see square have a couple xbox titles out, but I've felt let down by their non FF games before!
3. Why are there wildly differently priced 360s about? What's the difference?
4. Did anyone figure out whether a 360 can be plugged into my existing router or do you have to shell out for another?

Tx

There's no PS3 on sale in the UK with backwards compatibility...buggers!  So, you'd need to go ebay or similar and get a second hand.

FF is now multi-platform (but I think the 360 may have a delayed release on the PS3)

The difference in price is normally associated with the hard drive (cheapest - arcade(?) - doesn't have one...and you need one really).

You can plug the 360 straight into a router with a cable...wireless you need the additional adaptor.

I think the above is correct anyway!

Quote from: "Tanky"We're having the same conundrum at Chateau Tanky right now. If anyone can help with the following, I'd be much less confused!

1. Is it still possible to get a backwards compatible PS3 in the UK? If so, which one is it and how much?
2. Does anyone have any idea whether final fantasy is going cross-platform or staying on the playstation only? I see square have a couple xbox titles out, but I've felt let down by their non FF games before!
3. Why are there wildly differently priced 360s about? What's the difference?
4. Did anyone figure out whether a 360 can be plugged into my existing router or do you have to shell out for another?

Tx

Trust me, you'll forget all about your PS2 games once you start playing the PS3. However, check AMAZON or EBAY for backwards compatible PS3's.

PS3s are cheaper because they stripped out the additional hardware needed to run PS2 games, primarily because the second-hand market doesn't benefit Sony financially - certainly not now they're selling PS1 games online from the Sony store, although I've heard PS1 game discs work fine but haven't bothered checking myself on the newer model.

If you want backwards compatibility, you'll need to invest in one of the first wave of PS3s, which means buying second-hand.

The original batch of backwards compatible PS3's in the UK used software not hardware.

There is a software element to the emulation of PS2 specs, but the European PS3 has region-specific hardware (or at least it does now) that limits backwards compatibility.  The Japanese and American PS3s for some reason have a larger list of PS2 games that run on a PS3 as a result.

First DVD extras and now this - it's like they're picking on us just because their currency's in the shitter.

So, Amazon or ebay, y reckon?
Thanks for your help chaps. I'll be honest, I didn't understand any of the software/hardware stuff, but having checked out a few 60G PS3 prices*, I think we'll be getting a 360 in the new year

*seriously, don't these people know there's a recession on?!

Is Kingdom Hearts 3 gonna be on 360?

Just suffered my second RROD!

What's the point of the missus being on a night out if I can't play Mass Effect until 4am?

Quote from: "The Enigmatic Dr X"Just suffered my second RROD!

What's the point of the missus being on a night out if I can't play Mass Effect until 4am?

This is why I went for a PS3. You'd think by now, that they would have this problem worked out.

PS3s can break down, too.

QuoteIs Kingdom Hearts 3 gonna be on 360?

After that GBA/PS2 thing, Kingdom Hearts is dead to me.

I take it as read that Sony have relented on making PS3 games individually coded to the owners PS3 console so that they couldnt be traded in for new games ?

Also is it just me or is the PS3 console unattractive and oversized ?? This was a disappointment to me as i always thought that Sony were always top of their game in terms of design as i am a bit of a Sony-phile and i have always bought and used their stuff over the years .

I am still resisting the 360 and PS3 because i want to concentrate on artwork instead of hours of my life being devoted to gaming as its addictive.I feel like i am missing out but sacrifices have to be made if i want to progress in life.

On the subject, I was in Zavvi today and noted they were flogging 360s for under the magical 100 quids mark. Crazy fools that they are.

Quote from: "jakeblues69"

Quote from: "The Enigmatic Dr X"Just suffered my second RROD!

What's the point of the missus being on a night out if I can't play Mass Effect until 4am?

This is why I went for a PS3. You'd think by now, that they would have this problem worked out.

This worries me a little with my sons 360 we just bought and put away until Christmas. Do they all go dead after a while??
Also can they play original xbox games or do we have to get rid of them all.
Another question - has anyone been on Home yet?

Most of the Xbox games will play on the 360.  The newer boxes suffer less RROD, but (I think) they can still get it.  Although it is a pain...it is handled pretty well by Microsoft and they turn them around quickly (practise I guess!).

Managed to get on Home once,all the other times i tried i couldn't get on,its ok ...the bowling arcade is good.....

it deppends on what gaMES YOU WANT TO PLAY

Copied and pasted from yahoo:

Microsoft faces new Xbox 360 reliability accusations
Fix would have cost 50c per machine, suit claims

By Mike Smith

Remember last week's story about Jason Johnson, the Illinois man who sued Microsoft over his Xbox 360's alleged habit of scratching his game DVDs?

Documents unsealed in his court case revealed Microsoft discovered its Xbox 360 could scratch discs before it went on sale in 2005, and even got as far as considering three possible solutions to the problem, the Seattle Tech Report revealed today.

The characteristic circular scratches can occur whenever the orientation of the console -- which is designed to be used in either a horizontal or vertical position -- is changed while the drive is spinning. Johnson filed his suit after his console scratched three store-bought game discs, and is seeking $50,000 in punitive damages.

Testimony obtained from a Microsoft program manager indicates that Microsoft became aware of the problem months before the 360's launch when retail demonstration consoles malfunctioned. The company examined three solutions: strengthening the magnets that hold the discs in place, slowing the rotational speed of the discs, and installing rubber bumpers to cushion the discs, but rejected them all. Installing the bumpers could have cost as little as $0.50 per console, the suit claims.

It's not the first time Microsoft has come under fire for alleged foreknowledge of Xbox 360 hardware issues, either. Back in September, an expose penned by VentureBeat writer Dean Takahashi claimed systemic failures in Microsoft's design and quality assurance processes lead to the Xbox 360's now-infamous overheating "Red Ring of Death" failures.

Jake you are Chadwardenn and I claim my £5.

I feel that this is the best place to relay the tragic news that JILL VALENTINE IS DEAD.

Quote from: "Godpleton"Jake you are Chadwardenn and I claim my £5.

//http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Chadwardenn

I'm not sure whether I should feel complimented in some really bizarre way or insulted.

 

Quote from: "Godpleton"I feel that this is the best place to relay the tragic news that JILL VALENTINE IS DEAD.

She made be dead, but she was definately one fine piece of ass.

Quote from: "Godpleton"Jake you are Chadwardenn and I claim my £5.

Ok, I just managed to get through a minute of one of his 5 minute youtube vids. Keep your eyes peeled for a naked guy one of these Sundays.  

i have a 360 for live outstanding

but it now on its third unit, twice with the RING OF DEATH, i would not reccomend it, based on that, my units have lasted 6 months each. as for games, yes halo and GOW, but i would on reflection and given the price changes now, go for PS3,
of course no pirate games for PS3 (yet) but if your going the honest route i would say PS3.

Well, we now have both Ps3 and 360 and I can't really say I prefer one above the other - both are good in their own way.
The Ps3 is more of living room console I would say, what with the blu-ray and all the family love LittleBigPlanet. Home is looking promising too.
The 360 looks a little more like a bedroom gaming machine for us, Left 4 dead is as great as I heard.

Quote from: "Devons Daddy"i have a 360 for live outstanding

but it now on its third unit, twice with the RING OF DEATH, i would not reccomend it, based on that, my units have lasted 6 months each. as for games, yes halo and GOW, but i would on reflection and given the price changes now, go for PS3,
of course no pirate games for PS3 (yet) but if your going the honest route i would say PS3.

yeah that's annoying.  I've had two go (each of ours has gone once).

I've both a 360 and ps3 and wouldn't be without either to be honest.  The games on the 360 keep pulling me back in but the PS3 has somegems too.  If the 360 breaks again i'll buy a new 65nm model, as the GPU heat issue is finally nailed due to that heat and power reduction.  

I've a 90nm 60 gig PS3 too and they are also now suffering high levels of failure (look on neogaf) and have no extended three year warranty.  Without an "rrod" visible sign it seems to get less media coverage though.  Also helped by he fact they switched to a cooler process with the non b/c model last Christmas.

My advice, if you fancy one then look specifically for the 65nm model, I belive they use 150 W power. The (more reliable but not perfect) 65/90 hybrid that's been out this year uses 185W. The old ones were 230 W (big difference in heat and power requirements).  I see no reason why MS don't replace every failure with one of these and end the problem for good really.

Quote from: "Martin Jameson"Well, we now have both Ps3 and 360 and I can't really say I prefer one above the other - both are good in their own way.
The Ps3 is more of living room console I would say, what with the blu-ray and all the family love LittleBigPlanet. Home is looking promising too.
The 360 looks a little more like a bedroom gaming machine for us, Left 4 dead is as great as I heard.

LBP is awesome.

I think that and Singstar are our most played PS3 games right now.

360 it is Gears 2, Fable 2 (great RPG). Fallout 3 and Banjo Nuts and Bolts (bloody love it) along with Lost Odyssey when i fancy some deeper and slower gaming..

if your getting your first console,
then GOW2 or call of duty 4 are outstanding!!!!!!!!

go for a bargain bin sell off of older games, orange box is brillant. its four games in one.
if your into golf pick up a copy of tiger woods, 2007 is good enough, and likley half the price of 2009.

GTA 4 is a wow,but i hear saints row 2 is even stronger.
though not really children friendly.

HALO 3 online is still one of the best with its vast array of areas, maps,downloadable content and party jion in type of battles and fun games.

Bioshock is creative and enjoyable, plus cheaper now then a brand new game.
Mass effect was for a sci fi fan a brillant game.

my suggestions at least of which you can likley get a reasonable deal on due to their no longer new and shiney price tags.

My PS3 stopped reading discs today - just like that, no warning. This morning fine, nothing tonight, not dvds or games.
Thankfully Sony have arranged to pick it up next week and have it repaired which is lucky as I can hardly take it back to Woolworths.
So, no LBP for a while just as I was about to tackle making a level. And I was just getting somewhere on fallout 3 too.

Quote from: "Martin Jameson"My PS3 stopped reading discs today - just like that, no warning. This morning fine, nothing tonight, not dvds or games.
Thankfully Sony have arranged to pick it up next week and have it repaired which is lucky as I can hardly take it back to Woolworths.
So, no LBP for a while just as I was about to tackle making a level. And I was just getting somewhere on fallout 3 too.

Fallout 3 rocks.

My brother had the no disc-reading thing - Sony bring you a replacement of the exact same model PS3 (even if it's one of the older ones with backwards compatibility, as his was) with the courier who comes to pick up the knackered one.  Just be  sure you back up all your saves to a flash drive - although any old usb-based MP3 player will do the same job in a pinch.

Quote from: "Bongo Jack"My brother had the no disc-reading thing - Sony bring you a replacement of the exact same model PS3 (even if it's one of the older ones with backwards compatibility, as his was) with the courier who comes to pick up the knackered one.  Just be  sure you back up all your saves to a flash drive - although any old usb-based MP3 player will do the same job in a pinch.

I was wondering about backing up my game saves and such in case I receive a different console back even though the Sony guy told me they repair my one and return it (up to 3 weeks later?!).

I should point out to all the PS3 owners that Valkyria Chronicles is some essential shit.

Quote from: "Godpleton"I should point out to all the PS3 owners that Valkyria Chronicles is some essential shit.

That actually looks pretty cool, 53 ratings on Amazon and it's still got 5 stars. Do you have it? I've been so wrapped up in Fallout3 trying to find EVERYTHING on the map that I haven't even looked at any other games.

It's a turn-based strategy game along the Advance Wars lines but there's a really strong RPG aspect as the units are individual characters rather than faceless pawns, and there's all sorts of different factors like who works best with who etc. It's not a masterpiece but it certainly should have sold more than 33,000 copies.

Quote from: "jakeblues69"I've been so wrapped up in Fallout3 trying to find EVERYTHING on the map that I haven't even looked at any other games.

Yeah, me too. Really pissed my ps3 broke down just as I was putting in some solid hours on this. Bored with being supremely good and had just committed my first massacre of innocents! Great fun being evil as it goes! Make caps quicker too.
I am missing it so much I picked up Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics (only 5.99 at Morrison's) today to fill the time until I get it back .

Quote from: "Godpleton"It's a turn-based strategy game along the Advance Wars lines but there's a really strong RPG aspect as the units are individual characters rather than faceless pawns, and there's all sorts of different factors like who works best with who etc. It's not a masterpiece but it certainly should have sold more than 33,000 copies.

Based on that and the 53 ratings at Amazon, I'll give it a go the next time I buy a game.

" should point out to all the PS3 owners that Valkyria Chronicles is some essential shit."

Rented this before Christmas.  Excellent game, greatly enjoyed it.

Resi 5 demo on Live in two weeks. Wonder if it's as bad as some of the previews I've read.

Xbox360 are the bestgreat games i like halo3 and smackdown vs raw 09 there great;)

I assume we're all getting Street Fighter IV in four weeks right? Right? RIGHT?