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Title: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Goaty on 17 July, 2008, 07:57:46 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/video/watchmen/ (http://www.empireonline.com/video/watchmen/)
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Goaty on 17 July, 2008, 07:59:29 PM
thought it should be up 5am tomorrow, but i found it here at empireonline,

and it fucking good! :)
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Goaty on 17 July, 2008, 08:11:23 PM
after see it 5 times, still good... it does got all the pieces of key scenes and moments from the novel... that director Snyder does it again!
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Post by: Matt Timson on 17 July, 2008, 08:13:02 PM
That looks pretty good.  I'm almost prepared to eat my words.
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Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 17 July, 2008, 08:22:12 PM
I won't deny it looks nice (and that song's pretty good, too). In fact, I'll say it looks bloody nice. Perhaps there's a glimmer of hope.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Goaty on 17 July, 2008, 08:25:12 PM
here youtube version of trailer if anyone cant see first link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuwIpihrFUc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuwIpihrFUc)

still good trailer, I was like it when first watch Dark Knight trailer. hehe...
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Post by: radiator on 17 July, 2008, 08:38:49 PM
Looking good. My only nipick would be Rorschach's voice - I'd always imagined it as a really strangulated and schreechy - like Cobra Commanders' or something.
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Post by: johnnystress on 17 July, 2008, 08:49:33 PM
Ohh- looks very good
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Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2008, 09:00:45 PM
Quote from: "radiator"Looking good. My only nipick would be Rorschach's voice - I'd always imagined it as a really strangulated and schreechy - like Cobra Commanders' or something.

I'm glad it's not, it makes him sound more human which some people forget he is and will help engage the audience a lot more empathy wise. A more affected voice, which would always have been the temptation, would have been over the top like Christian Bale's Batman. It's tonally perfect and done by the actor who plays him which is more important for character continuity.

The only thing bad about the trailer is the unfinished Doc Manhattan CGI which they obviously rushed to get it out in front of Dark Knight, a bad decision I think as it under sells it a bit.
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Post by: Bolt-01 on 17 July, 2008, 09:53:43 PM
Trailers gone now from Youtube...
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Goaty on 17 July, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
yeah same from empireonline, I guess they realise the mistake it online too early!!! so sorry for anyone who hadnt see it, have to wait till 5am tomorrow!!! brilliant trailer! why does it feelings like 300 trailer???????
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 17 July, 2008, 10:13:36 PM
Plenty of versions still appearing on U-Tube if you search recent uploads.  Sigh.  I want to hate this, I really really do, but it just looks so earnest and eager to please that I can't manage it.  I still don't believe there's any point (other than money) in a movie adaptation, but... Jon's Martian city is just so bloody cool to see in action, and as for the Owlship...  

So I'll content myself with noting that Dan looks far too much the traditional movie superhero, and less the middle-aged geek gussied along by his psychotic ex-partner.  Off for another look now...
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Post by: LARF on 17 July, 2008, 10:19:11 PM
There are loads of Watchmen official trailers up on You Tube.

Looks awesome. Sat in bed crying 'cos it looks so good, better not let Mrs LARF see she'll call me a big baby, but it really does capture the comic book - fantastic!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Banners on 17 July, 2008, 10:26:06 PM
Looks awesome - so many shots were reminiscent of the comic. Guess it's time for another re-read to whet the appetite :-)

M@
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2008, 10:29:29 PM
Here's a full quality version:

//http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1670081657
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Goaty on 17 July, 2008, 10:32:19 PM
Rorschach was so brilliant!!! Looks like in each shot, his mask changes, good idea... but perfect!


The Comedian = perfect!
Silk Spectre II  = perfect! but did anyone notice her legs when she walking down the steps?
Dr. Manhattan = I thougths it was good!
Nite Owl II =  = perfect! but thought he would be bit overweight?
Ozymandias = how pefect! better than I expected from that promo shot!

and also Moloch the Mystic if you can spot him!!
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 17 July, 2008, 10:33:27 PM
Bit that hooked me deep:  Veidt taking out the "assassin" with the ashtray-thing, the "who sent you, don't bite down" bit in the book.  Just perfectly capturing a pivotal moment.

Bit that let me down:  Dan's flying jump-kick in the prison riot scene.

Amazing things:  Jon in 'Nam, Rorshach's mask patterns shifting, Laurie's costume, the owlship, Mars...

Worrying things:  Hints of use of 'bullet time' technique to simulate the way the book plays with time.

Damnit, must not give in, must resist pointless corporate hack-job of sacred text....

Even in the face of awesome trailer, never compromise.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2008, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: "TordelBack"So I'll content myself with noting that Dan looks far too much the traditional movie superhero, and less the middle-aged geek gussied along by his psychotic ex-partner.  Off for another look now...

Is that not part of the point?, it's a movie adaptation not the comic, his character should contrast with how he looks.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2008, 10:41:01 PM
Did anyone notice the can of Veidt aerosol spray Rorshach uses to flamethrow?

I liked the flashes of the pivotal moments in the comedian's apartment, Vedits ashtray beating and Nixon on the T.V.s at Karnak.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 17 July, 2008, 10:41:28 PM
QuoteIs that not part of the point, it's a movie adaptation not the comic, his character should contrast with how he looks.

Don't really see it, Dan being an overweight speccy git was hardly echoing a comic trope in the mid-80s in the same way that rubberised-armour-clad martial-artist dudes are all over current superhero cinema.  Surely Watchmen was (partly) about undermining and reworking (see how I manfully try to avoid using the word 'deconstructing') ideas about superheroes, not just reproducing them?

But don't get me wrong, I thought that was an awesome piece of work.  I've watched it a dozen times now, an it keeps getting better.
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Post by: Dan Kelly on 17 July, 2008, 10:46:50 PM
That looks great - especially the end bit

As to the comments on Dan - I think a lot of the shots we see are from the "end of the heroes" - a point when Nite Owl et al would be at their physical prime

Dan
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Gavin_Leahy_Block on 17 July, 2008, 10:47:54 PM
just saw it and yes, it's just so good.
loved Rorshach's mask, didnt expect them to get it so right.
Ozy also looks much better then i had anticipated.

re-read!
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2008, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: "TordelBack"
QuoteIs that not part of the point, it's a movie adaptation not the comic, his character should contrast with how he looks.

Don't really see it, Dan being an overweight speccy git was hardly echoing a comic trope in the mid-80s in the same way that rubberised-armour-clad martial-artist dudes are all over current superhero cinema.  Surely Watchmen was (partly) about undermining and reworking (see how I manfully try to avoid using the word 'deconstructing') ideas about superheroes, not just reproducing them?

But don't get me wrong, I thought that was an awesome piece of work.  I've watched it a dozen times now, an it keeps getting better.


The bits we've seen of Dan are the latter action scenes and have been stylised for the trailer so who knows?

There's so much detail in that trailer, the picture of Sally Jupiter on the Comedian's wall, the blimp in the sky...
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Bongo Jack on 17 July, 2008, 10:59:57 PM
It looks like just another superhero movie to me.  The costumes, the grim stylings, the slo-mo fights - it's maybe an irony in itself that if it had stuck more closely to the look and style of the source material, it would be visually unique among the current crop of superhero movies.  As it is, I think anyone who hasn't some measure of love for the original will be heartily 'meh' by the trailer - what differentiates it from Iron Man, Dark Knight, Daredevil?
I also can't help but feel that the Smashing Pumpkins' theme from Batman And Robin - one of the most cliched and reviled comic-book movies of all time, featuring superheroes in rubber-armor suits and which placed stylistic trappings over story, characters, narrative sense, and hetrosexual main characters - is a poor choice of music for the first trailer the world will see for this film.
Perhaps it's a massive double-bluff by the makers to make everyone think we're getting another Batman And Robin when we'll get something truly great?  Can't help but feel that's just inviting trouble.

But hey, infinite universe, all things possible - no reason this will be another V For Vendetta.  Might be good.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Buddy on 17 July, 2008, 11:25:58 PM
I quite like the look of that, but not sure what to make of Manhattan.

Some scenes he looks good, some he looks like he's been lifted from a video game.

Watchmen may be a good comic but I'm still not convinced it'll make a good movie.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2008, 11:30:55 PM
Quote from: "Uncle Umpty"I quite like the look of that, but not sure what to make of Manhattan.

Some scenes he looks good, some he looks like he's been lifted from a video game.

Watchmen may be a good comic but I'm still not convinced it'll make a good movie.

It can hardly be finished and fully rendered footage at this early stage, so as fas as criticising Manhattan nearly a year before the film is released is jumping the gun.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Radbacker on 18 July, 2008, 02:12:11 AM
cant find it on any of those links this is driving me nuts

CU Radbacker
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Grant Goggans on 18 July, 2008, 03:25:27 AM
I get more and more optimistic about this movie with each new scrap they release.

Sort of the anti-Spirit, really.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Radbacker on 18 July, 2008, 07:13:34 AM
Found it at last on You-Tube, the official one takes ages to download guess everyone is trying at the same time.
That look frakin awsome, still quite a bit off so not gonna comment on the freaky looking 3 Dr Manhattens but the bit in Nam with the choppers and the poor little VC soldier perfect.  can not wait for this, now off to watch it again wish I had sound on my work compy :(

CU radbacker
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Post by: pauljholden on 18 July, 2008, 07:57:34 AM
HD version on the apple website: http://www.apple.com/trailers (http://www.apple.com/trailers)

I'm stunned. Just stunned.

 Still leaves me curious about just how much of the books they've had to leave out, the trailer highlights milliseconds of some really cool bits (espec the sequence of Doc M on mars, how will they deal with that entire chapter on his origins?)

-pj
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2008, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: "pjholden"HD version on the apple website: http://www.apple.com/trailers (http://www.apple.com/trailers)

I'm stunned. Just stunned.

 Still leaves me curious about just how much of the books they've had to leave out, the trailer highlights milliseconds of some really cool bits (espec the sequence of Doc M on mars, how will they deal with that entire chapter on his origins?)

-pj

I presume it won't be told all in one go like in the comic chapter but intercut through the film.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2008, 08:35:08 AM
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Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: LARF on 18 July, 2008, 08:38:15 AM
Just downloaded the Largest HD version and it is truly awesome, been sat here with the graphic novel making comparisons and it's almost perfect frame for frame - which leads me to think that it's a trailer to say - look guys this IS going to be sympathetic to the original story, trust us!

The detail is amazing - especially Rorschachs mask moving at the end - superb.
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Post by: LARF on 18 July, 2008, 08:38:52 AM
I'm in love with silk spectre all over again. It's like being 16 again.
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Post by: pauljholden on 18 July, 2008, 08:45:26 AM
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/wa ... omparison/ (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/watchmen_trailer_to_comic_comparison/)

Comparison of trailer to comic. I'm pretty sure they've missed a few shots that are pretty close to the comic - like the multiple Doc Manhatten's that are walking towards each other, presumably to merge.

The Doc being torn apart was incredible and really reminiscent of the Dave Gibbon's artwork.

- pj
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 18 July, 2008, 08:48:02 AM
Leaving aside my grave doubts about the whole endeavour, how psyched must Dave Gibbons feel this morning!  To see his designs, his imagery so faithfully translated to the screen after 25 years, and looking just incredible... it's a testament to just how great a piece of art his work is.

I've moved on to loving the shot of Dan in the snow outside Karnak, and Jon's big blue ankles.

An amazing experience, this, like some odd dream.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 18 July, 2008, 08:59:07 AM
I think this film has the best on intentions, though the trailer does look like other superhero movie trailers: It is after all a comic partly about (some) superheroes feeling a bit embarrassed and juvenile in their costumes. Watchmen is also hilarious and warm at times, I hope they sometimes pull back from brooding and cinematic for the actual film...and switch the lights on!

Rorchach's voice is kind of appropriate, and much like Alan 'played it' when he read a bit of it out himself, though it's a shame comic book characters in movies always sound like that from Constantine to Batman to Marv. Would be a nice change to have a normal voice and use acting.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: pauljholden on 18 July, 2008, 09:34:37 AM
Don't forget, in the comic, Rorschach has a very wibbly / wobbly lettering effect - which kicked in after he found the dogs and realised that the kidnapped girl had been fed to them, I that HE is putting on a gruffer voice where the others might not be.

I agree though, the gruff voice thing is over played in superhero movies now.

- pj
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Radbacker on 18 July, 2008, 09:46:27 AM
this still stuns me even without sound, Silk Spectre make me feel funny in my pants.  As I haven't heard it I cant compare but when Rorsarch's speech pattern changes in the comic I always imagined it to be dull and emotionless sounding.   spectre comments on it at one stage about how creepy and emotionless he sounds IIRC.

CU Radbacker
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Post by: Bolt-01 on 18 July, 2008, 10:01:18 AM
Thanks for the Email link whoever sent it!

One word:

Ee-ook.
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Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 18 July, 2008, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: "pjholden"which kicked in after he found the dogs and realised that the kidnapped girl had been fed to them

Hey, yet another thing I never noticed (the moment it changed rather than the fact it was lettered all shakey). My copy has been lent out for ages now, presumably while in his daytime guise he holds it together enough to hide his 'true' voice, I don't know what happens after he was unmasked though. It's facinating the way he splits into two personalities completely, one his 'true' self and one a lifeless husk, though possibly the highlight of the book for me is the internal battle between the two at the very end and how the repressed side becomes the hero (trying to not give too much away).
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Post by: Matt Timson on 18 July, 2008, 03:54:10 PM
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Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Buddy on 18 July, 2008, 03:59:05 PM
QuoteIt can hardly be finished and fully rendered footage at this early stage, so as fas as criticising Manhattan nearly a year before the film is released is jumping the gun.

Not criticising at all... just an observation and I fully understand that they may not be finished effects (but I bet they are, they said that about the Hulk trailer that was released, not finished effects and they were!!).

Looking forward to it, just not expecting too much from it.
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Post by: LARF on 18 July, 2008, 04:02:19 PM
Oh, music btw is the Smashing Pumpkins - 'Beginning is the Beginning is the end' from the Rarities Collections, always liked that one - just thought I'd drop it in :-)
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Post by: LARF on 18 July, 2008, 04:03:22 PM
Oy Timson!

Did that chap just wink at me?
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Post by: Matt Timson on 18 July, 2008, 04:20:51 PM
He puckered up to you as well.

You know you want it...
 8-)
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2008, 08:25:21 PM
Quote from: "Uncle Umpty"
QuoteIt can hardly be finished and fully rendered footage at this early stage, so as fas as criticising Manhattan nearly a year before the film is released is jumping the gun.

Not criticising at all... just an observation and I fully understand that they may not be finished effects (but I bet they are, they said that about the Hulk trailer that was released, not finished effects and they were!!).

Looking forward to it, just not expecting too much from it.

They said that about the first Hulk trailer and it was true, the Hulk looked different in the second trailer.

How could they be finished FX this early? You can clearly see they're not finished, especially in the Vietnam sequence, the same happened with Iron Man. They usually release these trailers to see how audiences react, then tweak them, you can tell by the choice scenes they chose to work on.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 18 July, 2008, 08:36:14 PM
One thing that troubles me is look at that photo of Ozymandias: Does he look a day over 25? They are clearly keeping the timeline so all these characters should be in their 40s, though except for The Comedian I can't see any hint that they are going to be wearing make-up to age them.

It would seem to make more sense to find older actors if they can as the flashbacks aren't as important, and it's easier to 'age down' with make-up and other techniques. George Clooney would have made a fine Nite Owl, though unfortunately he's too big a star and it would look like a Clooney vehicle, or an ironic reference to the fact he once played Batman.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2008, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: "Adrian Bamforth"One thing that troubles me is look at that photo of Ozymandias: Does he look a day over 25? They are clearly keeping the timeline so all these characters should be in their 40s, though except for The Comedian I can't see any hint that they are going to be wearing make-up to age them.

It would seem to make more sense to find older actors if they can as the flashbacks aren't as important, and it's easier to 'age down' with make-up and other techniques. George Clooney would have made a fine Nite Owl, though unfortunately he's too big a star and it would look like a Clooney vehicle, or an ironic reference to the fact he once played Batman.

actually the opposite is true, it's easier to age up especially when it comes to physique and not just the face. Trying to make fatter actors look svelte and lithe is a difficult task, certainly where a lot of physical work is involved. Ageing the face is far easier than youngifying and fx teams have had decades of practice. Have you seen how well it has been achieved ageing Brad Pitt in the trailer for the Curious Case of Benjamin Button?, it's flawless and utterly convincing and they had a harder concept to execute.

Ozymandias does look older when you see the full HD trailer, grey hair wrinkles etc. and he really shouldn't look too old since he is someone who has taken care of himself better than 99.9% of the population could. In the comic he still looked younger than everyone else of the older team. I mean Brad Pitt is someone who would be an Ozzy physical type and he certainly does not look his age.

We really haven't seen enough of the film to make any judgement.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 18 July, 2008, 09:20:12 PM
Speaking of Adrian Veidt, the winners of the 'make a Veidt product ad for use in the movie' contest is now over, check out the excellent Ozymandias action figure ads:

//http://www.youtube.com/watchmenmovie
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Post by: pauljholden on 18 July, 2008, 09:26:03 PM
two things:

I've always pronounced Veidt with a hard d - now I find out it should be pronounced Vite (or, as one of those fake ads has it 'Vay')

I've always pronounced Ozymandius as Ozy-man-day-us - now I find out it should be Ozy Man DIE US.

Oh how mortifying...

-pj
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Post by: dyl on 18 July, 2008, 10:01:03 PM
I thought it was "vate" and "Ozy-man-dee-us"

Not quite as embarrassing as you PJ but still wrong I guess, lol.
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Post by: Wils on 18 July, 2008, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: "dyl"I thought it was "vate" and "Ozy-man-dee-us"

Yeah. I thought it was "Ozy-man-dee-us" as well, although I've always pronounced Veidt the same as leg, pit and minge defoliant: "Veet".
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2008, 11:54:37 PM
Quote from: "Wils"
Quote from: "dyl"I thought it was "vate" and "Ozy-man-dee-us"

Yeah. I thought it was "Ozy-man-dee-us" as well, although I've always pronounced Veidt the same as leg, pit and minge defoliant: "Veet".


No need to get personal Wils.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: pauljholden on 19 July, 2008, 12:26:07 AM
More pics: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=17303 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17303)

I'm kind of astonished how close to the comic some of this stuff is - the Comedian, especially - look at that period costume, it looks dead on accurate to how the comic version was. And the stuff that deviates from the comic seems to deviate for the better.

-pj
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Post by: Peter Wolf on 19 July, 2008, 12:33:53 AM
I have never read the source material so i dont know whats its about or what to expect.

 Thats good in a way as i dont have any expectations like when i watched and enjoyed V for Vendetta.

 It seems a bit previous to release unfinished material to the public though but i guess thats all part of hype and marketing these days.Its like film studios cant wait to start hyping their own product.

 Has Alan Moore disowned this film as well ?
 
 I guess DC comics own the licensing rights but does AM earn from it as well ?
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2008, 12:43:30 AM
Quote from: "peterwolf"It seems a bit previous to release unfinished material to the public though but i guess thats all part of hype and marketing these days.Its like film studios cant wait to start hyping their own product.

It's called a trailer or teaser, it whets the appetite, old tradition.

Quote from: "peterwolf"Has Alan Moore disowned this film as well ?
 
 I guess DC comics own the licensing rights but does AM earn from it as well ?

Yes, Dave Gibbons gets all the money from the film, but both get money from the book.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 19 July, 2008, 01:07:52 AM
I even enjoyed From Hell [the film] as i hadnt read the source material then but since i am halfway through From Hell [the book] I can appreciate how difficult it must have been to write a screenplay that was even close to the source material into a film under 2 hours long.Its an unwinnable situation and looking back the film could have been a lot lot worse.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2008, 01:16:16 AM
From Hell was never even the basis of film adaptation material and it was foolish to even try, it's a bit like Joyce's Ulysses. The film rights were bought when only the second or third issue was out so they never really had the comic in mind other than as a hanger for a paltry coat of a tale. The same for LOEG, the rights were purchased before any issue was completed, they bought the idea and discarded with the actual story material. We should be thankful Snyder even cares.
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Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2008, 01:30:14 AM
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Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2008, 01:31:50 AM
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Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2008, 01:34:23 AM
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Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2008, 01:34:51 AM
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Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Radbacker on 19 July, 2008, 01:50:20 AM
Night Owl looks a bit too in shape there but still cant complain they seem to of got Rorsarch right.

CU Radbacker
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 19 July, 2008, 09:28:35 AM
From Hell is best viewed as a film about the same conspiracy theory the book was based on, which already existed before the comic. It would have been better if they had changed the name. The comic was about disguarding all those Victorian Ripper cliches you always get in movies, though the film had to re-install them by virtue of it being a film: You have to take a lot more short-cuts to convey things in a movie, there's just isn't the time and the audience are only half as attentive. That said, it's still to my knowledge the most accurate film about the murders in terms of historical background. Some of the other films have Sherlock Holmes in them.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 19 July, 2008, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: "Adrian Bamforth"From Hell is best viewed as a film about the same conspiracy theory the book was based on, which already existed before the comic. It would have been better if they had changed the name. The comic was about disguarding all those Victorian Ripper cliches you always get in movies, though the film had to re-install them by virtue of it being a film: You have to take a lot more short-cuts to convey things in a movie, there's just isn't the time and the audience are only half as attentive. That said, it's still to my knowledge the most accurate film about the murders in terms of historical background. Some of the other films have Sherlock Holmes in them.

 I would say so as well.

 If you did what i did and watched the film without reading the book then it wont disappoint as much as if you had already read the book.Sure you can fault the film but i have seen many films that are a lot worse.

 The book/GN is a masterpiece and it does a v ery good job of transporting you back to victorian london.

 One aspect of the film that i didnt like was the fact that it didnt make enough use of the setting that being the area around Spitalfields church and the surrounding area that is pretty much the same as it was then.The Jack the Ripper pub on the corner that i forget the name of [something Bells] had had a makeover and was turned into a trendy DJ pub and was ruined no doubt to cater for all the Brick Lane Nathan Barley types that frequent and proliferate in the area.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 19 July, 2008, 05:33:29 PM
I'd be reasonably sure Moore pronounces it Ozyman-DEE-ASS, the way it Shelley runs it, since the name works best for the story in the devastatingly ironic context of the poem than any other historical sense. Although I'm sure Adrian himself missed that irony entirely when he chose it.

Veidt's always been Vight to me.

Damn, Laurie looks good enough to eat.

By the way Peter, put down the keyboard and borrow and read Watchmen IMMEDIATELY and SLOWLY.  It's just about the best thing you could do with the next few days of your life, barring some torrid rumpy and/or winning the lottery (although the other two are not exclusive).
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 19 July, 2008, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: "TordelBack"I'd be reasonably sure Moore pronounces it Ozyman-DEE-ASS, the way it Shelley runs it, since the name works best for the story in the devastatingly ironic context of the poem than any other historical sense. Although I'm sure Adrian himself missed that irony entirely when he chose it.

Veidt's always been Vight to me.

Damn, Laurie looks good enough to eat.

By the way Peter, put down the keyboard and borrow and read Watchmen IMMEDIATELY and SLOWLY.  It's just about the best thing you could do with the next few days of your life, barring some torrid rumpy and/or winning the lottery (although the other two are not exclusive).

 They are not inclusive either ! but to be fair i havent done the lottery for months and there is more chance of winning the lottery than torrid rumpy with the opposite sex where i live.
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Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 19 July, 2008, 07:04:36 PM
Quote from: "TordelBack"I'd be reasonably sure Moore pronounces it Ozyman-DEE-ASS, the way it Shelley runs it, since the name works best for the story in the devastatingly ironic context of the poem than any other historical sense.

I always thought of it as DEE-ASS, until I heard a rendition of Shelley's poem which pronounced it DIE-ASS, and which I now think sounds nicer.

I'm almost certain to be leapt upon by the board scholars, but I'm fairly sure the ancient Greek suffix is always pronounced die-ass.
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Post by: TordelBack on 19 July, 2008, 10:45:58 PM
QuoteI'm fairly sure the ancient Greek suffix is always pronounced die-ass.

Curses!  Certainly Iota is usually "ee" in Biblical Greek, while "eye" would be the dipthong "alpha-iota" (jeez Wake, when are you going to enable greek text?  sheesh), but that's as far as I go - and who's t say it's iota that that the "i" represents?

Mind, if we're going to get into picking one of the main forms of Ancient Greek pronounciation of the name of an Egyptian king, from an invented inscription, rendered here in Roman letters, I doubt Shelley knew much more than us.  He probably thought it should be pronounced "Slawn-yeh".
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Post by: Buttonman on 22 July, 2008, 02:50:54 PM
I stuck this on the San Diego comic thread but seeing as it fits here I may as well wring the last gasp from it. Mad's Watchman themed giveaway:

(//http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/button71/mad-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: satchmo on 22 July, 2008, 04:05:58 PM
The Michael Caine TV Mini Series about Jack The Ripper tells pretty much the same story as From Hell the movie, but is much better, I love it. Also check out the 70s film Murder By Decree which is the Sherlock Holmes vs The Ripper one, but is a lot more thoughtful and interesting than that sounds!

I was always a vate and ozy man dee us pronouncer meself!
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Post by: satchmo on 22 July, 2008, 04:08:43 PM
I was only talking about From Hell the movie by the way!
The comic I love even more than Watchmen, if such a thing is possible.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 22 July, 2008, 06:42:10 PM
Seems a bit early but the official movie site has a whole bunch of otherness now online (after looking at each section, close it and there's a new shot of some of the characters each time including Rorchach complete with moving mask):

//http://watchmenmovie.warnerbros.com/
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Tiplodocus on 23 July, 2008, 01:28:48 PM
Well that trailer got me quite excited and I dug out my 22 year old dog eared copies of WATCHMEN for a glance through.

A few things grated on comparison.

The overwhelming "coolness" of NIGHTOWL - he should be chunkier.  I actually don't mind the fact that he's restyled more along Batman lines.  I for one was a comic ignoramus and didn't realise he was based on someone else (Blue Beetle?) and always thought he was meant to be a BATMAN cypher.  (I have a pet theory that 90% of people who read WATCHMEN first time didn't know about CHARLTON comics characters and only started spouting off after they'd read an article about it).

The colour pallette for teh film doesn't seem quite right either - still too muted and dark.

And what will they do about matching the brilliant panels on page structure from the comic. How will film emulate something like the changes (especially to the full page spreads of a devestated New York)?  Does it need to?
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 23 July, 2008, 01:35:31 PM
Quote(I have a pet theory that 90% of people who read WATCHMEN first time didn't know about CHARLTON comics characters and only started spouting off after they'd read an article about it

I'll see your 90 and raise you a few per cent.  The beauty of Watchmen as it actually panned out is that the 'Charlton antecedents' proved totally irrelevant to the story.  In fact, it requires no detailed knowledge at all of superheroes to enjoy, it's entirely self-contained.  A good friend pointed it out that it was the only GN he owned, and in fact the only comic he'd ever bought with his own money. The missus claims it as the only non-animal-based-Manga-comic she's ever enjoyed.  I suspect that the nagging feeling that you were missing something if these had been existing characters would spoil that.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 23 July, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
Without any knowledge of the Charlton characters (and I have none) the characters play perfectly against the kind of superheroes everyone knows. Manhattan reads like a commentary on Superman and I like the way Nite Owl and Rorchach seem to represent perfectly the 2 sides of Batman: Nite Owl as the good-deed-doing side and Rorchach the obsessive bitter side.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 23 July, 2008, 02:32:23 PM
i just hope it has boobs
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2008, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: "TordelBack"
Quote(I have a pet theory that 90% of people who read WATCHMEN first time didn't know about CHARLTON comics characters and only started spouting off after they'd read an article about it

I'll see your 90 and raise you a few per cent.  The beauty of Watchmen as it actually panned out is that the 'Charlton antecedents' proved totally irrelevant to the story.  In fact, it requires no detailed knowledge at all of superheroes to enjoy, it's entirely self-contained.  A good friend pointed it out that it was the only GN he owned, and in fact the only comic he'd ever bought with his own money. The missus claims it as the only non-animal-based-Manga-comic she's ever enjoyed.  I suspect that the nagging feeling that you were missing something if these had been existing characters would spoil that.


The fact that Watchmen was not allowed to be based on the Charlton characters is a blessing cos if they had been DC would have prostituted them to death by now with sequels and whatnot.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2008, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: "Simpleton"i just hope it has boobs


(//http://www.aintitcool.com/images2008/gugino.jpg)


This is the picture on the Comedian's wall that gets smashed.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Bongo Jack on 23 July, 2008, 10:30:39 PM
Vaguely related for the following paragraph:
Other infamous episodes that have occurred during the couple's 18-month relationship include Tillich's August 1999 insistence that Jensen listen to all of side two of the Velvet Underground's White Light/White Heat, his January 1999 failure to talk Jensen into visiting the grave of Philip K. Dick during a Colorado road trip, and his ongoing unsuccessful efforts to get her to read Alan Moore's Watchmen, a 1986 postmodern-superhero graphic novel she described as "a comic book about a big blue space guy" and that he calls "nothing less than a total, devastating deconstruction of virtually every archetype in the genre's history."

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38820 (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38820)
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 24 July, 2008, 07:03:47 AM
Ah, when the Onion's good, it's brilliant!
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: The Monarch on 25 July, 2008, 03:11:15 PM
The trailer needs to be seen on an imax screen to be believed!!!!
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 July, 2008, 03:44:23 AM
From the recent comicon:

***The moderator then noted that Wilson had to "fall out of shape" to play Night Owl. "It was pretty cool when everybody else had to get all ripped, and I could sit back with a carton of Haagen Dazs and a couple beers." He also said "you always pull for Dan [Dreiburg, Night Owl], you always want him to pull through."

Wilson also noted that the art helped him find the personality of the character, including his humor. "You see the sense of smile," he said of his downtrodden character. "That's something you don't get in adapting a regular book." He also said his putting on the suit "makes you look like a badass, makes you feel like a badass... which is probably just what Dan felt."***
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 26 July, 2008, 05:02:20 AM
Has a certain '500' look about it.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: johnnystress on 26 July, 2008, 11:17:28 AM
Inside the Owl ship

//http://io9.com/5028953/inside-the-owlship-from-the-watchmen
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Bart Oliver on 26 July, 2008, 02:06:12 PM
I want Snyder's treatment to buck the general trend of poor to ordinary adaptations of Moore's work and there's alot to like about what I've read and seen already-

But please, what's with the blue beefcake Doc Manhattan?

It's 1997 all over again..

(//http://www.umbc.edu/newsevents/arts/hi-res/visualart/cavdc/robbinsbecher/rb09-s.jpg)
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 July, 2008, 02:41:42 PM
Quote from: "ThryllSeekyr"Has a certain '500' look about it.


is that the 2nd sequel to "300", never saw it, when was it released?
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: the shutdown man on 26 July, 2008, 06:16:44 PM
I think it looks fantastic so far. Apart from the large scale panel-for-panel recreations of the book which it seems to have nailed, one thing I'm liking is little spot-on details like Doc Manhattan's half pity, half disinterested facial expression.

Also, in the shot where Veidt clubs the guy with an ashtray, I'm wondering is that another example of Snyder's 300-style "speed up, slow down" action shot, or is it an example of how Veidt's acrobatic skill will look in the film. I'm hoping it's the latter, even if it doesn't show up much.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 July, 2008, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: "the shutdown man"Also, in the shot where Veidt clubs the guy with an ashtray, I'm wondering is that another example of Snyder's 300-style "speed up, slow down" action shot, or is it an example of how Veidt's acrobatic skill will look in the film. I'm hoping it's the latter, even if it doesn't show up much.


The "speed ramping" effect is in the trailer, as it is in many trailers, to add more pace to shots and make the trailer move faster without adding faster cuts and more shots but, it may not be in the film in the same way or at all.
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Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 26 July, 2008, 11:39:44 PM
Of course, there's always a ridiculous fucking downside, isn't there?

//http://uk.xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/watchmen/893589p1.html
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Post by: Peter Wolf on 26 July, 2008, 11:56:28 PM
Game spin offs from films are always crap.Shoddily put together rush job cash ins.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: SamuelAWilkinson on 27 July, 2008, 12:05:25 AM
Quote from: "peterwolf"Game spin offs from films are always crap.Shoddily put together rush job cash ins.


Think on, Johnny Conclusion! Spiderman 2 was excellent. As were some others which I can't name at this point.

But there should never be a Watchmen game, and anyone involved should feel really dirty.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Peter Wolf on 27 July, 2008, 12:45:26 AM
Quote from: "SamuelAWilkinson"
Quote from: "peterwolf"Game spin offs from films are always crap.Shoddily put together rush job cash ins.


Think on, Johnny Conclusion! Spiderman 2 was excellent. As were some others which I can't name at this point.

But there should never be a Watchmen game, and anyone involved should feel really dirty.

 I should have said nearly all to be fair.

 My worst example from experience was the game of The sum Of All Fears on PS2.I wouldnt have complained if i paid a fiver for it new instead of full price as it wasnt worth it.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 27 July, 2008, 09:12:32 AM
I meant to say '300'.
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Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 July, 2008, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: "SamuelAWilkinson"Of course, there's always a ridiculous fucking downside, isn't there?

//http://uk.xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/watchmen/893589p1.html

apparently it won't be a full game, Snyder said it will be kinda like short interactive mini episodes you can download, the first one being about the Comedian assasinating Woodward and Bernstein in the 70's. They won't be based on any events that happen in the book, more of when the Minutemen were in action.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: the shutdown man on 27 July, 2008, 06:40:38 PM
Now this is just mental....

//http://www.avclub.com/content/hater/the_mpaa_thinks_youre_stupid
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: Keef Monkey on 28 July, 2008, 08:23:56 AM
Been avoiding the hype for this movie because, shame of shames, I hadn't read Watchmen. Felt there was no better time to sort that out though, so read it over the last couple of days and was stunned. Knowing a movie was on the way while I was reading it, I did find myself often wondering how they could really translate it to the screen without losing something pretty important. I'd expect a lot of trimming will need to be done, but there wasn't a lot you could get away with taking out. The way it focuses on individual characters for chunks of it means everyone's really fleshed out, but I'd imagine for a movie taking 20 minutes out from the main storyline to fill you in on Rorshach's background, or having Dr Manhatten hanging out on Mars reflecting, will be seen as halting the storyline too much. I really hope that's not the case, because they'd be losing what I liked most about the book.

Still, the trailer does look amazing, and even though I've just discovered Watchmen it gave me a right tingle, so right now I'm excited.
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: TordelBack on 28 July, 2008, 09:09:34 AM
Pessimistic comic at the link...

//http://www.agreeablecomics.com/therack/?p=310
Title: Re: Watchmen Trailer now...
Post by: radiator on 28 July, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
I think I read somewhere that Tales of the Black Freighter the pirate comic-within-a-comic in Watchmen has been filmed and will be released as a separate feature on DVD when Watchmen hit the cinemas. Then Watchmen will be released on DVD 6 months later, then another 6 months later there will be an ultimate DVD with both films cut together. Mental.
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Post by: Peter Wolf on 13 August, 2008, 11:50:53 PM
Extra comments from Alan Moore on Watchman etc not included in the TV show:


//http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/comicsbritannia/

 I could listen to Alan Moore all day.