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Title: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Toke_Stanley on 28 April, 2010, 10:20:13 AM
Taken from the BBC's website 28th April 2010

Director Sir Ridley Scott has revealed that his 3D Alien prequel will be "really nasty" and will respond to the standard set by James Cameron's Avatar.
Speaking to Screen Daily, the film-maker said the movie, set in 2085, would be "the dark side of the moon".
Sir Ridley, who directed the original Alien film in 1979, paid tribute to Cameron's technological innovation.
"Jim's raised the bar and I've got to jump to it," said the 72-year-old. "He's not going to get away with it."
'Gods and engineers'
Sir Ridley's latest film, Robin Hood - starring Russell Crowe and Cate Blanchett, will open the Cannes Film Festival on 12 May.
Speaking about the Alien prequel, which is set five years before the original, the British film-maker said it is about "gods and engineers... engineers of space".
"And were the aliens designed as a form of biological warfare? Or biology that would actually go in and clean up a planet?"
"It will take place in the years before that, when they first come across this thing on a planet called Zeta Reticuli, he added.
"And it will ask who was that guy in the first film lying in a chair with his chest blown outwards when they first go into the giant spacecraft."
Sir Ridley has not made a sci-fi movie since 1982's Blade Runner and was not involved in any of the Alien sequels or two Alien vs Predator spin-off films.
The original Alien movie, which starred Sigourney Weaver, won the Oscar for best visual effects in 1980.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8644051.stm
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 28 April, 2010, 01:01:37 PM
A prequel? Not like AVP please!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: TordelBack on 28 April, 2010, 02:10:55 PM
Why I am imagining cruelly betrayed Decanus Ellenus Ripleyus fighting the evil Wayland-Yutani Coproration for the right of xenomorphs to raise their crops in peace?
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: dweezil2 on 28 April, 2010, 02:47:11 PM
With Ridley Scott behind these productions, I'll be glad to finally banish the memories of those appaling AvP movies.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Devons Daddy on 28 April, 2010, 03:06:45 PM
72 years old!

this could be a swan song or a death nell to a superb carrear.
he gets it right LEGEND! screws it up, not a great epitath.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: dweezil2 on 28 April, 2010, 03:20:23 PM
His age shouldn't be a concern. Scott's recent output shows he still has the vitality to produce exceptional movies.Few(if any)current directors possess his keen visual sense and the thought of him returning to the Sci-Fi genre just fills me with excitement.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 April, 2010, 03:38:29 PM
Apparently its set something like 50 years before the first over (or something it might be more) and will explain where the 'Space Jockey' corpse from Alien, with the burst chest came from.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 28 April, 2010, 03:53:33 PM
Would like to see the horse shoe shaped ship before it was grounded.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Zarjazzer on 28 April, 2010, 06:21:11 PM
Weyland- Yutani will "deal" with Sir Ridley Scott soon enough... :o
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Keef Monkey on 28 April, 2010, 08:16:19 PM
Thinking this could be pretty interesting, will be hard to pull off if I understand where he wants to go with it. Showing the space jockey's story and setting it before humans encountered the alien (and setting it mainly on the Alien homeworld I think) means there won't be any human dialogue in the movie, which will be odd. Could be great, I trust him.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Peter Wolf on 28 April, 2010, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 28 April, 2010, 03:20:23 PM
His age shouldn't be a concern.

Exactly.

Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 April, 2010, 08:44:28 PM
I believe there will be human contact as I think he's mentioned that he sets up whats been long speculated that everything that happened in Alien was calculated as 'the Company' knew about the 'Space Jockey's' encounter. Not sure how or anything?
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Mardroid on 28 April, 2010, 09:08:33 PM
I read elsewhere it would be set 30 years before. And the company will be Weyland, before joining to form Weyland-Yutani.

I also read on Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/472112/ridley_scott_two_alien_prequels_both_in_3d.html) that there will be two prequels.

Here's the source of their info. (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1637638/story.jhtml)
And here. (http://www.collider.com/2010/04/23/ridley-scott-confirms-alien-prequel-will-be-shot-in-3d/)
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 28 April, 2010, 09:17:08 PM
He's 72? I bet the prequel will just be fields.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: JOE SOAP on 28 April, 2010, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: Toke_Stanley on 28 April, 2010, 10:20:13 AM


Director Sir Ridley Scott has revealed that his 3D Alien prequel will be "really nasty" and will respond to the standard set by James Cameron's Avatar.





...so he's bringing the standard set by Alien down to that of  Avatar, sounds great.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: M.I.K. on 28 April, 2010, 11:14:18 PM
Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 28 April, 2010, 09:17:08 PM
He's 72? I bet the prequel will just be fields.

Or maybe something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFLBvLxLJMI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFLBvLxLJMI)
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: dweezil2 on 28 April, 2010, 11:21:27 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 28 April, 2010, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: Toke_Stanley on 28 April, 2010, 10:20:13 AM


Director Sir Ridley Scott has revealed that his 3D Alien prequel will be "really nasty" and will respond to the standard set by James Cameron's Avatar.






...so he's bringing the standard set by Alien down to that of  Avatar, sounds great.



I'm assuming he means technologically.
At least I frikkin' hope he does!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Peter Wolf on 28 April, 2010, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Toke_Stanley on 28 April, 2010, 10:20:13 AM
Taken from the BBC's website 28th April 2010

Director Sir Ridley Scott has revealed that his 3D Alien prequel will be "really nasty" and will respond to the standard set by James Cameron's Avatar.


I really hope that this doesnt mean a 3D Alien film because that is just bandwagon jumping and if thats the case then thats not a plus in my opinion as its just another gimmick.

Is it really necessary for film directors to make films purely on the basis of my film is more tecnologically advanced and nastier and better than your film ??

Its like some kid who gets a new XBOX and another kid gets the top of the range XBOX which is bigger and better and does more than your XBOX does or my car is better and faster than yours etc etc.

Just make the film and forget about James bloody Cameron.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 29 April, 2010, 12:21:52 AM
Maybe he'll film this like he did the first film with all the old schoool speical effects, using that earliest alien costume and the same puppetry, the same camera tricks witht speical lighting and smoke, but withthe exception of the lack of a human element , our perspective.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: JOE SOAP on 29 April, 2010, 12:45:37 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 28 April, 2010, 11:21:27 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 28 April, 2010, 11:08:02 PM
Quote from: Toke_Stanley on 28 April, 2010, 10:20:13 AM


Director Sir Ridley Scott has revealed that his 3D Alien prequel will be "really nasty" and will respond to the standard set by James Cameron's Avatar.





Hmm, didn't Weta basically do all this with LOTR except not in 3D, not make as much fuss and bore us as Cameron did.


...so he's bringing the standard set by Alien down to that of  Avatar, sounds great.



I'm assuming he means technologically.
At least I frikkin' hope he does!

Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 29 April, 2010, 01:28:48 AM
So long as people get to cum they will be happy.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 29 April, 2010, 04:44:05 AM
Oh, I forgot about that standard set by James Cameron's Avatar, maybe I'm wrong then. Pity, I wouldn't mind a return  to the original style.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: radiator on 29 April, 2010, 08:08:58 AM
Can't see these films being any good, to be honest - for a director of his stature, Scott has made startlingly few decent films in his career and this seems like a blatant attempt to recapture past glories.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 04 June, 2010, 01:04:27 AM
I got bored I made a little poster up of the film.
Hmm should this be in creative or uncreative common ? :)

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5148/alienprequelexilet2011.png)
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 05 June, 2010, 02:26:24 AM
I like that and with the horseshoe-shaped ship reflected in the visor.

Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 05 June, 2010, 02:30:57 AM
Thanks I was bored saw a few over movie posters and thought id create one without an egg or an alien on it :)
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Keef Monkey on 05 June, 2010, 11:28:09 AM
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 05 June, 2010, 02:30:57 AM
Thanks I was bored saw a few over movie posters and thought id create one without an egg or an alien on it :)

Nice work, I skimmed over the page and thought it was the real thing for a moment!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 05 June, 2010, 12:36:39 PM
Great poster, Gumpty!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 05 June, 2010, 12:57:33 PM
Though I'm not assuming anything about how he will make the aliens in the new film, it makes me think: Has CGI ever actually worked in horror?
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: M.I.K. on 05 June, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
There's no reason why it shouldn't, it just needs to be used subtlely. The problem with CGI is that film-makers like to show it off.

In the case of gore, there's usually always been that tendency, but in terms of atmosphere and actual scariness, keeping things in the shadows always works better and adds to the creep factor. It used to also have the benefit in hiding the flaws in the effects and costumes. You never needed to worry about seeing the zip running up the monster's back. That worry doesn't exist with computer graphics and so the monsters are put right in the limelight and all the mystery and bogeyman-hiding-in-the-cupboardness goes out of the thing.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 05 June, 2010, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 05 June, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
There's no reason why it shouldn't, it just needs to be used subtlely. The problem with CGI is that film-makers like to show it off.

In the case of gore, there's usually always been that tendency, but in terms of atmosphere and actual scariness, keeping things in the shadows always works better and adds to the creep factor. It used to also have the benefit in hiding the flaws in the effects and costumes. You never needed to worry about seeing the zip running up the monster's back. That worry doesn't exist with computer graphics and so the monsters are put right in the limelight and all the mystery and bogeyman-hiding-in-the-cupboardness goes out of the thing.

Thats absolutely right too. Horror needs to spring from the imagination to conjure the "what is it" factor. Some of the worst movies in the main go down the "truckloads of gore in your face route" theres our horror and be done with it. What Alien did for the most part was to build on the unknown, stage the horror, the darkness, lighting and tempo made for a good film in that respect.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 June, 2010, 03:58:49 PM
Aliens stole most of the thunder from any subsequent Alien film since it cleverly integrated the Aliens lifecycle. The egg laying Alien Queen was a plausable explanation for the Aliens biology and helped link the two films into a coherent duo despite the difference in film styles.

Alien was the old dark house gag set in Space, Aliens the Indians attacking the homesteaders[or Marines]plus some Matriarchal/offspring issues.   

Once this was done it became increasingly difficult to find anything new and novel about the Alien species or Ripley so you end up with Alien 3 and Alien 4: Ressurection just re heating the ashes of what had gone before and failing pretty miserably.

Whatever twist on the Alien genre Ridley Scott has up it's sleeve it's gotta be a good one other wise Alien:the early years will be instant screen poison and probably at over 70 Ridley's last film. 
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Keef Monkey on 05 June, 2010, 05:57:49 PM
I'm struggling to think of a good use of CG in a horror movie, surely someone's used it sensibly at some point?!? I remember my main disappointment with Drag Me To Hell (which I otherwise enjoyed greatly) was that when it went a bit Evil Dead and there were fluids and eyeballs flying around the charm wasn't there because it was CG fluids and eyeballs and so it looked a bit naff. Rubber and syrup was the way to go!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 June, 2010, 09:36:53 PM
I loved the horrible, Cthulian style creature in The Relic. Looks a litle bit clunky now but for it's time it was very good.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 June, 2010, 03:24:06 PM
Bit more about the prequel here.

http://www.spinoffonline.com/2010/06/14/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-two-films-all-about-the-space-jockey/ (http://www.spinoffonline.com/2010/06/14/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-two-films-all-about-the-space-jockey/)
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Buddy on 14 June, 2010, 03:58:31 PM
So the space jocky in ALIEN was a suit???

Didn't they say it was fossilized?

I think it was pretty clear from the film that something had burst out the chest cavity and what we were looking at was a ribcage of sorts with a big hole in it.

With that one remark 'its a suit' he can pretty well do whatever he wants with it.

I was kinda looking forward to seeing how this creature came to be a victim of the alien... now I'm not so thrilled.

Time will tell here, Scott hasn't made a decent film in years so maybe getting back to his roots is just what he needs.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Robin Low on 14 June, 2010, 10:55:23 PM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 14 June, 2010, 03:58:31 PM
So the space jocky in ALIEN was a suit???

Didn't they say it was fossilized?

I think they did, but given that it clearly wasn't subject to the process of fossilisation they were probably wrong. Pedantic, but mummified might be more appropriate. However, that's beside the point.

QuoteI think it was pretty clear from the film that something had burst out the chest cavity and what we were looking at was a ribcage of sorts with a big hole in it.

That was my interpretation. However, whatever it is seems to be organically fused with the chair - the whole apparatus could be a suit, not just humanoid bit. Also, we're looking at one of Giger's biomechanoid designs, so 'suit' in this context could mean more than just spacesuit. I hope Scott isn't being literal.

Regards

Robin
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: dyl on 14 June, 2010, 11:14:16 PM
what I loved about that spaceship was how truly "alien" it all was and the way that you didn't know if it was a suit/fossilised/actually part of the spaceship. All of this mystery is now going to be ruined :(
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: radiator on 14 June, 2010, 11:28:35 PM
Quotewhat I loved about that spaceship was how truly "alien" it all was and the way that you didn't know if it was a suit/fossilised/actually part of the spaceship. All of this mystery is now going to be ruined

Agreed - this sort of thing is NEVER as cool as it is when just left mysterious - it's Skynet/Judgement Day, it's the Clone Wars, it's Boba Fett....

Anyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Richmond Clements on 15 June, 2010, 02:07:56 PM
QuoteAnyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?

Godfather Part 2?
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: James Stacey on 15 June, 2010, 02:16:22 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 15 June, 2010, 02:07:56 PM
QuoteAnyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?

Godfather Part 2?
That was just the middle flashback section of the novel though.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Richmond Clements on 15 June, 2010, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 15 June, 2010, 02:16:22 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 15 June, 2010, 02:07:56 PM
QuoteAnyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?

Godfather Part 2?
That was just the middle flashback section of the novel though.

That's why I qualified with a '?'

There's bound to be one though...
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: puggdogg on 15 June, 2010, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: radiator on 14 June, 2010, 11:28:35 PM
Anyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?

Star Trek is good. In a few years I can also say The Hobbit will be good.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: the shutdown man on 15 June, 2010, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: puggdogg on 15 June, 2010, 02:22:39 PM
Quote from: radiator on 14 June, 2010, 11:28:35 PM
Anyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?

Star Trek is good. In a few years I can also say The Hobbit will be good.

That depends on who depends the Hobbit. The latest rumour is the same guy who directed the last couple of Harry Potter flicks, so make of that what you will....
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: radiator on 15 June, 2010, 03:03:51 PM
Godfather 2 is not a prequel. While Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is set before Raiders of the Lost Ark, I wouldn't say it's a prequel either, as the timeline is of no consequence - in fact I only realised it's set before Raiders... many years after first watching the films. A nerdy point, but the recent Star Trek movie, good though it is, is a re-boot rather than a prequel so that doesn't count either.

The Hobbit
isn't a prequel to LoTR is it? It was written before. I define a prequel as something that is created after the original work, yet set before it.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Cthulouis on 15 June, 2010, 05:24:58 PM
I enjoyed the prequel to The Animals Of Fathing Wood.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Cactus on 15 June, 2010, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: radiator on 14 June, 2010, 11:28:35 PMAnyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?
Judge Dredd: Origins.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Tiplodocus on 15 June, 2010, 10:31:35 PM
There's a theory that says THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY is a prequel to A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS.  I think it's based on the fact that in the closing act of the GOOD, Clint picks up the costume that he's wearing at the start of DOLLARS.  I'm too lazy to check though.

Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 June, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
Why can't Ridley Scott just promise to make no more films?



Sergio Leone just kept on making his notion of the "Cowboy and the West" film until he was satisfied he'd done enough with it, which really came to a conclusion in Once Upon a Time in the West.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Mardroid on 15 June, 2010, 11:45:39 PM
Quote from: radiator on 15 June, 2010, 03:03:51 PM
The Hobbit[/i] isn't a prequel to LoTR is it? It was written before. I define a prequel as something that is created after the original work, yet set before it.

That's my understanding of the word 'prequel' too. That being said, since the Hobbit film will obviously be made before LotR, it could be argued it is a prequel, even if the book was not.

That being said the film will be based on the book's story... so yeah. I see what you mean.

As for the new Alien films, I find the new blurb quite intriguing. I take people's points concerning the suit/ribs, etc, but considering how difficult it was to distinguish everything on the Space Jockey corpse/suit I don't see it as a contradiction.

Lets see what he comes up with.

Much as I like the idea of a biomechanical suit (which could have ribs by the way), it would be interesting if the species actually looked something like that though woudn't it? A fairly original design almost as weird as the Alien itself while being different.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 June, 2010, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: Garageman on 15 June, 2010, 10:57:40 PM

Sergio Leone just kept on making his notion of the "Cowboy and the West" film until he was satisfied he'd done enough with it, which really came to a conclusion in Once Upon a Time in the West.

I guess this would be a discussion for another thread but what about 'Duck You Suckers'? While not an out and out Western in that its set in the Mexican Revloution in the early 20th Century it certainly carries most of the motifies of his Westerns... but no Aliens with acid for blood so I'll stop derailing now!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 September, 2010, 12:06:00 PM
No me being a numbnut.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/03/the-state-of-play-with-ridley-scotts-alien-prequels/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/03/the-state-of-play-with-ridley-scotts-alien-prequels/)

That's the right linkie for this thread... better check the other one now.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 04 September, 2010, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Cthulouis on 15 June, 2010, 05:24:58 PM
I enjoyed the prequel to The Animals Of Fathing Wood.

Is there a prequel to The Animals of Farthing Wood? Believe it or not, I rather enjoyed AoFW - and I only read it last year!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 04 September, 2010, 02:05:00 PM
And Godfather II did prequel/sequel all in one, and both films were fantastic.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 05 September, 2010, 11:23:44 AM
Thought I'd post the early draft for Alien, which is quite different from the version we see in the final film. There are some very cool Aliens scenes...they are native to Acheron and highly intelligent, having built pyramids complete with hieroglyphics. Some of these elements may creep into the prequels.

Anyway, here is 'Star Beast': http://www.avpoe.org/amr/html/scripts/alien_early.html. Fun readings.
Title: Re: Here's the (alleged) 'tough' Alien prequel screenplay...
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 05 September, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
'Alien Harvest' is supposedly the first draft of the Alien prequel leaked onto the internet. There's a great deal of controversy over whether or not this is real (give a quick search for the reasons why it may or may not be real).

Here's the link http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4083772/24549638-Alien-Harvest.pdf.

Highlights include: a martial arts fight with a cat-alien, three-inch aliens, a Space Jockey mind-control induced homosexual encounter which leads to the male characters realized they enjoy man-sex and thus would enjoy further sexual relations, and, well, not a single person killed by an Alien. In fact, there's very little horror at all.

It's weird, it's not what I'd expect from an Alien movie, and while it has a few interesting points, I hope this isn't the basis of the film that will ultimately be produced.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Cthulouis on 07 September, 2010, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 04 September, 2010, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Cthulouis on 15 June, 2010, 05:24:58 PM
I enjoyed the prequel to The Animals Of Fathing Wood.

Is there a prequel to The Animals of Farthing Wood? Believe it or not, I rather enjoyed AoFW - and I only read it last year!

Yep, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventure-Begins-Farthing-Wood-Colin/dp/0091761514/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283870472&sr=1-5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventure-Begins-Farthing-Wood-Colin/dp/0091761514/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283870472&sr=1-5)

Anyway, back to drawing that script I'm working on...
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Mardroid on 07 September, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
I haven't seen all the Farthing Wood animations but I read most of the books as a kid years before they ever made it to the screen. I'd grab them from the school library. I used to love those stories!

As for other animal based stories Watership Down is one of my favourite novels. Even as an adult. (I say 'even as', the book might have originally been written for Children but I'd say it is a very adult story in it's own way too. It can work for everyone, just as most good stories can.)

Sorry for taking this further off-topic. I'm very much looking forward to the Alien prequels. I'm wondering if we'll learn more about that future society and the other alien races that are out there. Although we mostly only see humans in the Alien films (apart from the main monsters of course) there was some suggestion that there had been first contact with other alien races. In Aliens there is that saucy discussion between the marines suggesting a bit of, erm, interspecies fraternisation. (One says something along the lines: "Yours was male." The other replies "With .... it doesn't matter." ('...'indicates that I forget the name of the people he uses.)

I also wondered how it was that Mother could decode a message from an alien beacon too. Even with high-tech future translation devices you would need some kind of reference surely? I can understand how a gifted person might learn a language if they spent time with actual people seeing their body language along with the spoken words, but to even partially translate a language that has never been encountered at all purely from sound would be impossible. That leads me to think Mother's database has files on extraterrestrial languages that have been encountered before...
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Keef Monkey on 07 September, 2010, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 07 September, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
I haven't seen all the Farthing Wood animations but I read most of the books as a kid years before they ever made it to the screen. I'd grab them from the school library. I used to love those stories!

As for other animal based stories Watership Down is one of my favourite novels. Even as an adult. (I say 'even as', the book might have originally been written for Children but I'd say it is a very adult story in it's own way too. It can work for everyone, just as most good stories can.)

Sorry for taking this further off-topic. I'm very much looking forward to the Alien prequels. I'm wondering if we'll learn more about that future society and the other alien races that are out there. Although we mostly only see humans in the Alien films (apart from the main monsters of course) there was some suggestion that there had been first contact with other alien races. In Aliens there is that saucy discussion between the marines suggesting a bit of, erm, interspecies fraternisation. (One says something along the lines: "Yours was male." The other replies "With .... it doesn't matter." ('...'indicates that I forget the name of the people he uses.)

I also wondered how it was that Mother could decode a message from an alien beacon too. Even with high-tech future translation devices you would need some kind of reference surely? I can understand how a gifted person might learn a language if they spent time with actual people seeing their body language along with the spoken words, but to even partially translate a language that has never been encountered at all purely from sound would be impossible. That leads me to think Mother's database has files on extraterrestrial languages that have been encountered before...

Ah, but you're assuming its never been encountered before. I sometimes like to think that Weyland Yutani have dealt with this before and knew fine well what they were getting Ripley and pals into. IF, and its a MASSIVE HUGE IF you want to take the AvP movies (spit) as canon then that's certainly the case. IF you wanted to do that. Don't.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Mardroid on 07 September, 2010, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 September, 2010, 05:37:59 PM
Ah, but you're assuming its never been encountered before. I sometimes like to think that Weyland Yutani have dealt with this before and knew fine well what they were getting Ripley and pals into. IF, and its a MASSIVE HUGE IF you want to take the AvP movies (spit) as canon then that's certainly the case. IF you wanted to do that. Don't.

Oh, I had an idea Weyland-Yutani had encountered the 'aliens' before. That occurred to me way before the AvP films. (I actually rather like the first one by the way. I've yet to see AvP:R) It's contact with other alien beings and the translation of that beacon message I was wondering about. The latter suggest contact with the 'Space Jockey' aliens as well...
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Dreddzilla on 08 September, 2010, 02:09:09 AM
Quote from: Mardroid on 07 September, 2010, 05:43:47 PM
(I actually rather like the first one by the way. I've yet to see AvP:R)
Do yourself a favor and don't bother.
I'm as big a ALIEN & PREDATOR fan as they come and I too enjoyed AVP, BUT AVPR Was absolute CRAP!!!
At the end of it I asked myself why the hell did I even bother to watch the whole thing through to the end? It's one of a very short list of 'flicks' that have actually made me angry. >:(
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: JamesC on 08 September, 2010, 09:05:14 AM
Weyland Yutani definitely know that there is an alien species LV 1842 and they want it brought back to Earth - that's the whole mission of the android (forget his name).
Pressumably the company must have someintelligence on what the creature is, otherwise why just dupe a bunch of expendable miners to bring it back? I always presumed that the android was well aware of what the role of the face hugger was. His mission was to bring back a living specimen at any cost, yet when the face hugger dies he doesn't attempt to go back for another sample - he knows that the crew member has been impregnated.
I think all this makes it pretty clear that Weyland Yutani have encountered this species before - or at least have intelligence on it.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 08 September, 2010, 09:19:43 AM
James, I think it's the Space Jockey the company had info on. That was the species that had technology, travelled the stars and all of that - that would be the species man may have encountered before. I think the Alien was a bonus for the company.

I'm not so sure Ash (the android) knew what the Alien was; I doubt he would have sliced the facehugger up knowing that it had acid for blood which could eat possibly eat through the ship's hull. I agree that he probably knew what the facehugger was doing to Kane, but that came just from watching the scans. On the other hand, when one of the other crew members asks "why don't you freeze him?" I'm surprised Ash didn't go for that - he could have contained the Alien right there and no one would be the wiser. The company would scoop Kane up, let him birth the Alien in a containment center and have what they wanted...
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Mardroid on 08 September, 2010, 10:28:59 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 08 September, 2010, 09:05:14 AM
Weyland Yutani definitely know that there is an alien species LV 1842 and they want it brought back to Earth - that's the whole mission of the android (forget his name).

I think that's quite possible but nothing on screen definitely proves this to be the case, at least in the first film. Yes Ash is programmed to bring the alien back but that could just be a protocol for any exploitable life form regardless of whether or not the company are aware of it's existence.

Considering they had a truckload of ore on board that was a major chance to take, but one reoccurring theme is the company's underestimation of the creature concerned.

That being said, I agree. I think they did know, and hopefully the prequel films will corroborate this. (Actually, if we take AvP as being in continuity, this has already happened!)  Incidentally, I wonder if the new prequels will contradict any of the AvP stuff, for example showing the aliens being bioengineered in the prequel time period (I.e. 30 years before Alien but still a good while after AvP?)

Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Pyroxian on 08 September, 2010, 11:44:17 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 08 September, 2010, 10:28:59 PM
I think that's quite possible but nothing on screen definitely proves this to be the case, at least in the first film.

The company definitely knew the Alien ship was there:

Special Order 937:

Nostromo Re-routed to New Co-ordinates.
Investigate Life-form.
Gather Specimen.
Priority One: Insure Return of Specimen for analysis.
All other considerations secondary.
Crew Expendable.

    Steve

Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Keef Monkey on 17 December, 2010, 08:26:58 PM
This has a name now (according to Lovefilm)! Apparently it's to be called 'Paradise', which seems a bit strange. According to that snippet one of the effects designers has let slip that it's out late 2011, then had his twitter account suspended. That seems awfully soon.

http://www.lovefilm.com/news/Ridley-Scott-s-Alien-Prequel-Title-Revealed.html (http://www.lovefilm.com/news/Ridley-Scott-s-Alien-Prequel-Title-Revealed.html)
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: HitManHey on 17 December, 2010, 09:25:19 PM
Alien is a brilliant movie... genuinely scary!!! The best Alien movie (though most will disagree saying it's Aliens... man but the Aliens are so weak in that!!)
The only movie to match Alien for genuine frights is The Thing re-make.
Avatar is a nice movie to look at but the script is nothing special (could be interpretated as Dances With Wolves in outer Space!!).
Really hope a new Alien movie is a great movie and not just relying on cvg effects!!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 17 December, 2010, 09:40:31 PM
If the new film will indeed be called "Paradise" then I'm inclined to believe that script floating around the net (which I posted a link to here, I believe) may be a genuine rough draft. If so, I can't say I like where Ridley Scott is going with the series...but oh well, I guess we'll all have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: HdE on 17 December, 2010, 10:01:05 PM
I've missed something here - first the film was happening, then it wasn't, then it was again... and then it wasn't...

Is it on again? This movie is the Scott and Charlene (from 'Neighbours') of the Aliens franchise!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: doggettX on 02 January, 2011, 01:47:36 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 15 June, 2010, 02:07:56 PM
QuoteAnyway, has anyone ever made a good prequel?

Godfather Part 2?

Does Casino Royale count ?
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Radbacker on 15 January, 2011, 10:07:39 AM
this is apparantly no longer an Alien prequal or even set in the Alien universe from what i understand of this article
http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/ridley-scott-directing-prometheus-for-fox-noomi-rapace-locked-while-angelina-jolie-and-charlize-theron-circling-2nd-female-lead/

Apaarntly now known as Prometheus and while not in the Alien universe shares similar feel and look to it.  What ever the hell that means, but I certainly hope they keep one thing from that Paradise script i read  its the arsom cat and mouse ship to ship combat between the Humans and the Spacejockeys that was in the script, and all the Realativistic light speed ideas too.  They're so imaginative and decidedly hardcore sci-fi (and so not what you'd expect to see in hollywood blockbuster) it hurts.

CU Radbacker
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Teivion on 15 January, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: HitManHey on 17 December, 2010, 09:25:19 PM
Alien is a brilliant movie... genuinely scary!!! The best Alien movie (though most will disagree saying it's Aliens... man but the Aliens are so weak in that!!)
The only movie to match Alien for genuine frights is The Thing re-make.
Avatar is a nice movie to look at but the script is nothing special (could be interpretated as Dances With Wolves in outer Space!!).
Really hope a new Alien movie is a great movie and not just relying on cvg effects!!


I didn't know this had even been released yet ?!
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 15 January, 2011, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: Teivion on 15 January, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
I didn't know this had even been released yet ?!

Probably referring to John Carpenter's The Thing- which is in itself a remake.

SBT
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Richmond Clements on 15 January, 2011, 11:22:38 AM
And now it seems it's not an Alien prequel at all!

WTF???

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=29898
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Keef Monkey on 15 January, 2011, 09:26:20 PM
Not sure how I feel about that, one the one hand it's nice that the new film will be what it is and won't necessarily have the expectations of an Alien movie, but on the other hand I was really interested to see what he came up with going back to Alien.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Mardroid on 16 January, 2011, 12:08:00 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 15 January, 2011, 09:26:20 PM
Not sure how I feel about that, one the one hand it's nice that the new film will be what it is and won't necessarily have the expectations of an Alien movie, but on the other hand I was really interested to see what he came up with going back to Alien.

That's pretty much how I feel. I really wanted to learn more about the Space Jockey and the origins of the Aliens*, and the connection to Weyland Yutanii. However, I do welcome a new sci-fi film. I just wish it wasn't at the expense of the prequel which likely won't appear now.

*Although maybe it is best to keep this stuff ambiguous. Alien even.
Title: Re: Ridley Scott promises 'tough' Alien prequel
Post by: Kerrin on 16 January, 2011, 11:23:27 AM
I'm quite pleased that it won't be a prequel now.

Looking forward to a new Ridley Scott sci-fi universe will do me fine. I can't wait to see what kind of future design theme they come up with, and this is the sort of thing Scott does brilliantly.