Sorry as many people need new thread than see 60 pages of teaser thread,
here the link;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PifvRiHVSCY&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PifvRiHVSCY&feature=plcp)
in the HD, Ezquerra is the Cit-Block next to Sternhammer Block!
(http://i.imgur.com/UXqYf.jpg?1)
"Dillon" Block - bottom right?
Or Bill?
Billy Carter block? (where Dark Judges take over)
Tried to watch it but apparently can't on a mobile.
Suppose it can wait till tomorrow.
Blocked on the PS3 too :(
Wouldn't it be easier to merge threads and rename it ?
Another familiar moniker spotted at 1:03 :)
(http://i.imgur.com/LHVMx.jpg)
I think he might shed a little tear over that. Unless he is the one who sneaked it in, I suppose ;)
Quote from: W. R. Logan
Tried to watch it but apparently can't on a mobile.
Suppose it can wait till tomorrow.
That's the spirit!
I wonder what scojo makes of it.
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 21 June, 2012, 06:05:28 PM
Tried to watch it but apparently can't on a mobile.
Suppose it can wait till tomorrow.
Works fine on my iPhone
Quote from: Beeks on 21 June, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 21 June, 2012, 06:05:28 PM
Tried to watch it but apparently can't on a mobile.
Suppose it can wait till tomorrow.
Works fine on my iPhone
And mine now.
Map of the block
(http://i.imgur.com/SPOH6.jpg?1)
PSU, see the live crime rate! ouch!
(http://i.imgur.com/6v0rg.jpg?1)
Quote from: Goaty on 21 June, 2012, 10:02:40 PM
Map of the block
(http://i.imgur.com/SPOH6.jpg?1)
That's a lot of creeps that need judging!
Quote from: ming on 21 June, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Another familiar moniker spotted at 1:03 :)
Quote from: Emperor on 21 June, 2012, 08:17:13 PM
I think he might shed a little tear over that. Unless he is the one who sneaked it in, I suppose ;)
I feel like shedding a tear over that meself: that is sublime.
It's been impossible to stay off the forum today. I've had great fun reading reactions - this place has been a big party all day. I'm digging the trailer - I'm a little disappointed that when I posted it on my facebook page, several of my American friends commented that it looks too much like Robocop. I don't agree, and of course I know the story behind Robocop's production. I just hope this won't be the general movie-goer's attitude towards it. But maybe I'm just a worry-wart and it'll be fine.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 22 June, 2012, 01:18:01 AM
- I'm a little disappointed that when I posted it on my facebook page,
I got this: " Ive been skeptical of your Don King like promotion of this DM, but that trailer looks preetay good."
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 22 June, 2012, 01:18:01 AM
I'm a little disappointed that when I posted it on my facebook page, several of my American friends commented that it looks too much like Robocop. I don't agree, and of course I know the story behind Robocop's production.
I've heard it began as a potential JD movie, but care to elaborate in more specificity, locusts dude?
Quote from: darnmarr on 22 June, 2012, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: ming on 21 June, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Another familiar moniker spotted at 1:03 :)
Quote from: Emperor on 21 June, 2012, 08:17:13 PM
I think he might shed a little tear over that. Unless he is the one who sneaked it in, I suppose ;)
I feel like shedding a tear over that meself: that is sublime.
SO pleased that the man Michael gets this shout-out. He thoroughly deserves it.
Quote from: Emperor on 21 June, 2012, 08:17:13 PM
I think he might shed a little tear over that. Unless he is the one who sneaked it in, I suppose ;)
I missed this when it got posted, and a few of the lads have pointed it out to me too.. I was fucking stoked! I shouted to my girlfriend, scaring her half to death.. It really made my day.. (but makes me wonder if the people who did it knew I was in the credits already.. :D )
Right finally saw it after it not playing for me yesterday. I think there's potential for a half decent Dredd flick in there. Urban seems a good choice to play Dredd. I'm still not overly fussed on parts of the uniform and the helmet maybe looks slightly big in parts but he seems to have got the voice pretty well.
Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city.
I think there should be more shots of mega tall skyscrapers bunched together more and at least some flying man made objects to make things busier .
I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing. Acting seems competent.
Still don't like the Lawmaster bike but we're stuck with it now and the 90s looking vehicles look like a fish out of water in a film set in our future . Doubt it will happen but DNA imo should add more futuristic vehicles before the film's released with CGI otherwise people will pick up on it calling it cheap.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 June, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city.
I think there should be more shots of mega tall skyscrapers bunched together more and at least some flying man made objects to make things busier .
I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing. Acting seems competent.
The films finished, forget about tweaks of a CGI sort.
I like how they''ve laid out the city. I think it comes across as a more impressive infra-structure and here's why: Seeing thousands of 200 storey blocks spread out across hundreds of miles with normal skyscrapers clustered around them gives a better idea of the sheer height and scale of MC-1, those normal buildings provide a great contrast to the colossal blocks and the scale is made very clear, visually. Something that I haven't seen any othe
Metropolis style cities do so well. That opening shot makes the blocks look like tombstones or megalithic structures.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 June, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing.
It's a block-war within
one block,
Peach Trees. The building has an open-air Atrium in the middle from top to bottom. There are 4 blocks/sides of apartments and the interior ones have balconies that all face each other across the open space of the atrium inside the block.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2012, 11:44:55 PM
Seeing thousands of 200 storey blocks spread out across hundreds of miles with normal skyscrapers clustered around them gives a better idea of the sheer height and scale of MC-1, those normal buildings provide a great contrast to the colossal blocks and the scale is made very clear, visually. Something that I haven't seen any othe Metropolis style cities do so well. That opening shot makes the blocks look like tombstones or megalithic structures
Finger firmly on button. The stillness of those bleached-out aerial shots lends them a sepulchral air, the high contrast serving the same function as the stark disparity between the monumental verticals of the monolithic towers and the horizontal, becalmed, oceanic expanse of their diminutive neighbours. If you want to make something look bigger, put it in the same shot as something much smaller- why do you think 5ft 7in Stallone insisted on working with 5ft 4in Rob Schneider and 5ft 5in Diane Lane?
QuotePeach Trees ... has an open-air Atrium in the middle from top to bottom. There are 4 blocks/sides of apartments and the interior ones have balconies that all face each other across the open space of the atrium inside the block.
I think one of the things that trailer does well is establish the geography of MC1. There's the shots of the bikes racing along the sked towards Peach Trees, that beautiful aerial creep toward and looking down into the atrium of the block, and the shots of perps and Dredd exchanging shots across the opposing sides and different levels inside the mega structure. Those little computer schematics, detailing the different levels, are hardly necessary.
Quote from: bikini kill on 23 June, 2012, 12:08:59 AM
If you want to make something look bigger, put it in the same shot as something much smaller- why do you think 5ft 7in Stallone insisted on working with 5ft 4in Rob Schneider and 5ft 5in Diane Lane?
and Danny Cannon.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2012, 11:44:55 PM
I like how they''ve laid out the city. I think it comes across as a more impressive infra-structure and here's why: Seeing thousands of 200 storey blocks spread out across hundreds of miles with normal skyscrapers clustered around them gives a better idea of the sheer height and scale of MC-1, those normal buildings provide a great contrast to the colossal blocks and the scale is made very clear, visually. Something that I haven't seen any othe Metropolis style cities do so well. That opening shot makes the blocks look like tombstones or megalithic structures.
That's exactly it, Joe. To me, it looks like something mythic. And y'know, it's perfectly thought out. If there's a sequel, just set it five years ahead to justify more blocks closer to one another. To me anyway, this looks like a very different version of the usual future dystopia we see in movies. I applaud it. They could have just made it look like the '95 one or Fifth Element but why? We've seen that all before and as detailed as those visions were they didn't visually tell us anything about the city itself. What it looked like, yes but not what it's like to live there. Those images didn't give their city any sort of identity or character beyond the immediate surroundings of the characters. These opening shots tell us in two or three images exactly what we need to know about this place. Don't even need to see Dredd to know this place is an overcrowded, polluted fucking hellhole. I love it.
It looks great. Love the small touches that are in there solely for fans, such as the block names (will there be a Pete Wells?), the Hottie House, Fergie memorial day and of course Commando Forces!
I love that he says "I'm the law" and not "I AM DUH LURRR!".
Proper excitement is building, purely because it looks like proper care has been taken to make it as good as possible withing the budget.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 21 June, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 21 June, 2012, 10:02:40 PM
Map of the block
(http://i.imgur.com/SPOH6.jpg?1)
That's a lot of creeps that need judging!
I gather from this that pre mama takeover that the lower levels were actually policed?
The Yellow levels must have been deemed safer
Trying to organise a gang-takeover of a block housing 75,000 people can't be easy.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 June, 2012, 01:13:00 AM
Trying to organise a gang-takeover of a block housing 75,000 people can't be easy.
Cheap Slo-Mo.
Having had some time to digest this trailer and weigh up everything I know about this movie compared to the comic it's trying to adapt, I think I've spotted a huge gaping hole in the Dredd movie, which I believe is the same flaw that helped sink the Stallone flick.
I like the look of the film, I like Urban in the lead, I like Anderson, I like MC-1, I'm even OK with the generic piss-boring concept of an elite supercop taking down an untouchable druglord; overall, as the man said, I'd be happy with a solid 7/10 80s style action movie which, for me, will be pushed up to an 8/10 just because it's Dredd.
The big, glaring, possibly fatal flaw in the movie is this: Dredd is a reactionary idea, and the movie seems to have missed that.
Mega-City One, in the comic, is present-day Western society with all its self-obsessed, facile, faddish nuttiness projected 150 years into the future. The Mega-City Judge, as an autonomous lawman with limitless judiciary power, personifies the logical state response to such a society, which is illustrated in the comic as a vast, uncontrollable conurbation full of 800 million unemployed loonies. The Judges' powers are a logical response to the citizens' self-destructive insanity: in the comic we can see clearly that without an extreme and immediate response to some of the deranged lunatic shit the citizens keep coming up with, the whole of what's left of society would quickly collapse.
Without this appropriate social milieu to work in, Judge Dredd is basically SS, or Dirty Harry with state backing.
Putting Judge Dredd (the exaggerated, logical conclusion of a scary political idea) up against drug dealers in a slum (a problem that exists right here and now) is a bad mismatch of the superlative vs the mundane. The trailer, and I'm assuming the whole film, doesn't properly illustrate why Judge Dredd needs to exist. My big concern about this movie is that, for the audience to buy into the story, it's going to require them to support a Nazi stormtrooper's crusade against the citizenry. It's veering dangerously close to being a pro-fascist movie.
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 23 June, 2012, 01:54:52 AM
My big concern about this movie is that, for the audience to buy into the story, it's going to require them to support a Nazi stormtrooper's crusade against the citizenry. It's veering dangerously close to being a pro-fascist movie.
:thumbsup:
Yep, that is Dredd, Dirty Sanchez!
Did you read America?
Yes, it was a powerfully anti-fascist story!
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 23 June, 2012, 02:03:48 AM
Yes, it was a powerfully anti-fascist story!
Yep, good example. :)
You haven't seen the milieu in the film yet Sanch, whatever you think of the big bad. As Dredd states in his narration, they're bringing order to chaos, I think there'll be some more of that chaos in the film. It' all ready been glimpsed in the newsreel footage of the riots. Ma ma and her boys are the tip of that chaos and it's 2 judges against a whole block. The reason why Dredd '95 failed was it's a terrible film with an awful performance of an ill drawn character.
True, I haven't seen the movie yet. I do think it's a legitimate concern, considering 99.9% of people who will see this trailer won't have a clue who Dredd is.
Well to be honest, I think people will see the film this Septemeber, as it only one of violent film of that month, people would come without questions, just paid the tickets and see it, it part of the entertainment,
Yesss it is Field of Dreams! good quote;
Terence Mann: Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come.
And it will be DREDD time!
Well that's all right then
I think it's been quite well set-up in the trailer and I think the idea alone of 75,000 people housed in 200 storey city-blocks is a pretty good throw to the audience that this place ain't too great and needs a different type of policing. It's these bits of sociological stats that the Stallone film never even broached at any grounded level that will make Dredd work. Dredd's opening monologue really sets this up and will be extrapolated on via the vibe and visual we get from the Meg and Peach Trees.
Quote from: Beeks on 23 June, 2012, 12:53:12 AMI gather from this that pre mama takeover that the lower levels were actually policed?
The Yellow levels must have been deemed safer
I think that lower level text says 'Judged' which I assumed was a gang name... Either that or a status report, as Dredd and Anderson make their way up the block?
Quote from: ming on 23 June, 2012, 04:09:40 AM
Quote from: Beeks on 23 June, 2012, 12:53:12 AMI gather from this that pre mama takeover that the lower levels were actually policed?
The Yellow levels must have been deemed safer
I think that lower level text says 'Judged' which I assumed was a gang name... Either that or a status report, as Dredd and Anderson make their way up the block?
I assumed it meant those lower blocks were under the control of Justice Dept to start with. I like the "status report" idea too though.
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 23 June, 2012, 01:54:52 AM
The big, glaring, possibly fatal flaw in the movie is this: Dredd is a reactionary idea, and the movie seems to have missed that.
Mega-City One, in the comic, is present-day Western society with all its self-obsessed, facile, faddish nuttiness projected 150 years into the future. The Mega-City Judge, as an autonomous lawman with limitless judiciary power, personifies the logical state response to such a society, which is illustrated in the comic as a vast, uncontrollable conurbation full of 800 million unemployed loonies. The Judges' powers are a logical response to the citizens' self-destructive insanity: in the comic we can see clearly that without an extreme and immediate response to some of the deranged lunatic shit the citizens keep coming up with, the whole of what's left of society would quickly collapse.
Without this appropriate social milieu to work in, Judge Dredd is basically SS, or Dirty Harry with state backing.
Putting Judge Dredd (the exaggerated, logical conclusion of a scary political idea) up against drug dealers in a slum (a problem that exists right here and now) is a bad mismatch of the superlative vs the mundane. The trailer, and I'm assuming the whole film, doesn't properly illustrate why Judge Dredd needs to exist. My big concern about this movie is that, for the audience to buy into the story, it's going to require them to support a Nazi stormtrooper's crusade against the citizenry. It's veering dangerously close to being a pro-fascist movie.
Interesting post, but I find your bolded section particularly problematic.
Why does Dredd need to exist, in the movies or the strip? Because the Mega City government needs him to exist for its own survival, that's it. Maybe other systems of government would work equally well, but the story thats most interesting (or at least the one the writers have decided to tell) is the one of Dredd, the Judges, and how the citizens survive under them.
It's perfect possible to have a hero, working for an unfair system, who the audience can root for without supporting the real-life implications of that system. In fact, that's pretty much what the comic
Judge Dredd has been doing for the past 35 years.
If you're right about the '95 movie justifying the Judges's tyranny over the cits, then it's actually a
worse movie, morally speaking. Because then it's saying: "society crazy as hell? Bring on the jackboots and the summary executions!"
As for what
Dredd is really saying, we'll have to wait and see.
Don't you think though that the average cinema goer is just going to see it as a 'cool action film and stuff' and wouldn't consider, and probably never would, anything past that ?
And if they did start thinking that ( fascism etc), well, that's good isn't it- it means they have absorbed the film as a whole, rather than the typical leave-the-brain-outside serving we get mostly.
Quote from: Syne on 23 June, 2012, 04:15:10 AM
Quote from: ming on 23 June, 2012, 04:09:40 AM
Quote from: Beeks on 23 June, 2012, 12:53:12 AMI gather from this that pre mama takeover that the lower levels were actually policed?
The Yellow levels must have been deemed safer
I think that lower level text says 'Judged' which I assumed was a gang name... Either that or a status report, as Dredd and Anderson make their way up the block?
I assumed it meant those lower blocks were under the control of Justice Dept to start with. I like the "status report" idea too though.
That's what I think
Quote from: Syne on 23 June, 2012, 04:35:46 AM
Why does Dredd need to exist, in the movies or the strip? Because the Mega City government needs him to exist for its own survival, that's it. Maybe other systems of government would work equally well, but the story thats most interesting (or at least the one the writers have decided to tell) is the one of Dredd, the Judges, and how the citizens survive under them.
It's perfect possible to have a hero, working for an unfair system, who the audience can root for without supporting the real-life implications of that system. In fact, that's pretty much what the comic Judge Dredd has been doing for the past 35 years.
If you're right about the '95 movie justifying the Judges's tyranny over the cits, then it's actually a worse movie, morally speaking. Because then it's saying: "society crazy as hell? Bring on the jackboots and the summary executions!"
As for what Dredd is really saying, we'll have to wait and see.
The situation isconcisely set-up in the trailer and I doubt the audience experiencing the film will be particularly worried about Dredd's fascistic tendencies, hell be a stoic in a tight-spot against a gang of ruthless drug manufacturers who have NO morals whatsoever.
What are your opinions of the trailer views, lagging a good bit behind Taken 2's trailer counts, but must admit that movie is well known and established.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 23 June, 2012, 01:53:43 PM
What are your opinions of the trailer views, lagging a good bit behind Taken 2's trailer counts, but must admit that movie is well known and established.
Behind what? I think I've heard the name Taken but couldn't tell you anything about it, who's in it etc. Obviously I could look it up but thought I'd just reply ignorantly to prove a point ;)
Nice + interesting post
Señor Sanchez.
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 23 June, 2012, 01:54:52 AM
Putting Judge Dredd [...] up against drug dealers is a bad mismatch of the superlative vs the mundane.
"A bad mismatch of the superlative vs the mundane" was my own personal reaction to the visuals of Judge and citizenry together on set, ( that still bothers me) and a 'drug-bust' premise in cop story does seem like shockingly banal subject matter for Science-fiction...
But:
when you think about it,— Dredd's original origin story wasn't mind-blowing either(a bank robbery?) and simple can be good:
Prometheus illustrated for me that there's such a thing as giving the audience
too much to think about.
I reckon simplicity for openers is no bad thing.
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 23 June, 2012, 01:54:52 AM
The trailer, and I'm assuming the whole film, doesn't properly illustrate why Judge Dredd needs to exist.
and this is what I'm saying: is it necessary to
properly illustrate ' why Judge Dredd needs to exist' in a simple, opening story?— Particularly one that describes so little of the society and the city and the world it takes place in? As is implicity stated in the trailer, a Judge in Peach Trees is something of a novelty, so, in this context, Dredd is the classic 'Sheriff/Samurai come to the lawless place to kill the bad guys', which is fairly straight-forward for unfamiliar audience.
And as for
Dredd...
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 23 June, 2012, 01:54:52 AM
[/i] ... veering dangerously close to being a pro-fascist movie...
and
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 23 June, 2012, 01:54:52 AM
Without this appropriate social milieu to work in, Judge Dredd is basically SS, or Dirty Harry with state backing.
Even
with the appropriate social milieu to work in, Judge Dredd
is basically SS, or Dirty Harry with state backing (and Dirty Harry had state backing, ultimately, and supported 'due-process' in principle: see Magnum Force).
Dredd's a nazi, he is an active and loyal representative of a system that rules by force.
This is true— and it's true of this film, true of the comics and even true of the Stallone incarnation!
You think it would have made him unpalatable as a protagonist ( to all but the most sociopathic of audiences), but that has never been the case, the reason being that it aint real-life, and we know it aint: the implicit fascism of something like
Starship Troopers is exactly what makes it so much fun ( It could be argued that the most lefty, liberal 'see-all-sides-of-the-argument' all-round decent chap gets more out out of watching Clint Eastwood do his thing than genuinely violent thug would in a millenia ).
Dirty Harry, when it came out, was actually described by one critic as a 'Gestapo film': she had a point,— but, in the context of action cinema, making a point like that is rather missing the point, I think.
Anyway, that's what I reckon.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 June, 2012, 01:05:18 PM
The situation isconcisely set-up in the trailer and I doubt the audience experiencing the film will be particularly worried about Dredd's fascistic tendencies, hell be a stoic in a tight-spot against a gang of ruthless drug manufacturers who have NO morals whatsoever.
Yeah, and if anything the rioting and general griminess shown in the trailer makes the draconian Justice system more plausible than the Stallone movie did. Aside from the perfunctory voiceover at the start and the block-war scene, I don't recall that movie examining the justification of the Judges much at all.
Unless you count the Schneider/Stallone scene I guess, which went something like "you arrested me, and now YOU'VE been arrested. . . makes you think, huh?"
Clearly this new film needs Schneider as a moral compass.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 June, 2012, 02:21:51 AM
I think it's been quite well set-up in the trailer and I think the idea alone of 75,000 people housed in 200 storey city-blocks is a pretty good throw to the audience that this place ain't too great and needs a different type of policing.
I agree. Peach Trees is Megacity One in microcosm. Not that the whole city has the same problems (gang rule, etc) but as an example of the state of the Judges world and what they're up against and hence an argument for their very existence, I think could work very well.
The more I think about, the more I like the "mundane" plot.
At it's heart, the Dredd strip is a police procedural. It's him out on the streets, busting punks and protecting/intimidating cits. Odysseys through space, time, or the cursed earth, global wars and extra-dimensional incursions - those are the exceptions to the rule, not the norm. It was a good idea to ground the movie in the day-to-day, 'cause that's the same place the strip is grounded.
Yeah, it's almost like the film is a chapter of The Graveyard Shift. It could easily have been Dredd and Hershey doing some 59c's, and stumbling on a block run by ganglords, something we've seen in 2000AD quite a bit. I like the premise, personally. Save all the wacky shit for the next film.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2012, 11:44:55 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 June, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city.
I think there should be more shots of mega tall skyscrapers bunched together more and at least some flying man made objects to make things busier .
I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing. Acting seems competent.
The films finished, forget about tweaks of a CGI sort.
I like how they''ve laid out the city. I think it comes across as a more impressive infra-structure and here's why: Seeing thousands of 200 storey blocks spread out across hundreds of miles with normal skyscrapers clustered around them gives a better idea of the sheer height and scale of MC-1, those normal buildings provide a great contrast to the colossal blocks and the scale is made very clear, visually. Something that I haven't seen any othe Metropolis style cities do so well. That opening shot makes the blocks look like tombstones or megalithic structures.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 June, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
I take it those firing between blocks is a block war so those bits look good and it looks gritty which is a good thing.
It's a block-war within one block, Peach Trees. The building has an open-air Atrium in the middle from top to bottom. There are 4 blocks/sides of apartments and the interior ones have balconies that all face each other across the open space of the atrium inside the block.
There's 2 things that mainly bother me now. First of all this isn't just a dumb shoot em up film and secondly.....those 90s looking vehicles. I hope to god there's at least some futuristic vehicles in it and the roads don't look like they're all from the 90s (those yellow vans look so puny too).
That'll look stupid next to all those giant futuristic skyscrapers.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 June, 2012, 11:34:10 PM
There's 2 things that mainly bother me now. First of all this isn't just a dumb shoot em up film and secondly.....those 90s looking vehicles. I hope to god there's at least some futuristic vehicles in it and the roads don't look like they're all from the 90s (those yellow vans look so puny too).
That'll look stupid next to all those giant futuristic skyscrapers.
The point has all ready been made. There are no futuristic vehicles. Moaning about it won't change it.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 June, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city. . . . .
There's 2 things that mainly bother me now. First of all this isn't just a dumb shoot em up film and secondly.....those 90s looking vehicles. I hope to god there's at least some futuristic vehicles in it and the roads don't look like they're all from the 90s (those yellow vans look so puny too).
That'll look stupid next to all those giant futuristic skyscrapers.
I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 June, 2012, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 June, 2012, 11:34:10 PM
There's 2 things that mainly bother me now. First of all this isn't just a dumb shoot em up film and secondly.....those 90s looking vehicles. I hope to god there's at least some futuristic vehicles in it and the roads don't look like they're all from the 90s (those yellow vans look so puny too).
That'll look stupid next to all those giant futuristic skyscrapers.
The point has all ready been made. There are no futuristic vehicles. Moaning about it won't change it.
Are you trying to say something with your talk of "Shoot 'em up"? Having now seen it, if you don't like the film, fine, you don't have to bring my well catalogued Heroin problem into it.
Is this some kind of personal attack against me? How dare you, you cur!
Quote from: Syne on 26 June, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 22 June, 2012, 11:19:08 PM
Hard to get a real impression of Mega City in that but some of it looks good but in other parts the buildings all seem too far apart and it just doesn't look like MC from the comics and looks more like a modern city. . . . .
There's 2 things that mainly bother me now. First of all this isn't just a dumb shoot em up film and secondly.....those 90s looking vehicles. I hope to god there's at least some futuristic vehicles in it and the roads don't look like they're all from the 90s (those yellow vans look so puny too).
That'll look stupid next to all those giant futuristic skyscrapers.
I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?
A bit of both. In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic. The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now. I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic. Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though
Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist. You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.
Unfortunately as Joe says we're stuck with them.
I don't think it's that 'unfortunate'.
I also haven't heard many people commenting on the vehicles outside this forum.
In the 1970's, both Bob Dylan & Cheap Trick made albums called "At Budokan", i.e "Bob Dylan a Budokan".
Imagine how cheated I felt when I found that both these albums were actually recorded in Japan & not in the fictional country of "Budokan!" Bloody cheats.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2012, 12:25:29 AM
I also haven't heard many people commenting on the vehicles outside this forum.
Just one person on same subject in many forums
If the majority of citizens are struggling to scratch a living I don't see a resurgence of older model cars to be unrealistic. If money is particularly limited in this society (and it's arguable if that term even relates here as this is likely to be a collection of various disparate societies) , then it would be channelled into specific areas. The Judges, and the rich. Everyone else has to get by.
I understand that's not how the vehicles are portrayed in the strip, but in the world of the film, which seems to be to be an earlier setting than that of the comics, bar the backstory of Origins, (and just check out the vehicles and buildings in that strip!) I think it works.
Besides, I don't necessarily see 'old style' to always mean 'old technology'. We don't know what's going on under the bonnet of these vans regardless of their more present day appearance.
Quote from: Goaty on 27 June, 2012, 12:43:48 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2012, 12:25:29 AM
I also haven't heard many people commenting on the vehicles outside this forum.
Just one person on same subject in many forums
Well in that case there must be at least 1 other person saying a similar thing as I don't post about Dredd on any other forums.
The Official Site has the Trailer streaming direct from the Lionsgate YouTube pages. Just a heads up.
ABC-I do agree the vehicles including the lawmaster are disappointing, HOWEVER, the bottom line is we have another Dredd movie .How great is that! It's brilliantly cast ,the trailer looks great, and the uniform is fantastic. You have to take into account the budget they had to work with, and judging from what they have come up with they have made it stretch a LONG way.
Take another look at Bladerunner, perhaps my favourite film, there are some plain vehicles in the mix between the ricksaws. Mega City looks in it's early development stage which no doubt can be expanded upon in any sequel. So be of good cheer and hope this does good box office.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: Syne on 26 June, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?
A bit of both. In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic. The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now. I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic. Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though
Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist. You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.
I agree, the movie looks like a mix of present and future. That's why I don't have a problem with the vehicles: they don't make me think "90s," they make me think "old," which adds to the downbeat, ghetto-ish feel of the city, as if the economies so crap they either aren't making new cars or the cit's can't afford them.
Maybe they should have used one of these. It's a 2012 model, so logically it'd be less anachronistic, no?
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-photoblog/cache/toyota_prius_camper_van_tokyo_11.b36tbvy79j400oc80ks4g8w8w.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg)
Robocop, was set in the future and everyone drove Ford Sierras. When did you last see one of those on the road. Can't say it makes me dislike the film though :)
Quote from: Mardroid on 27 June, 2012, 01:01:09 AM
If the majority of citizens are struggling to scratch a living I don't see a resurgence of older model cars to be unrealistic. If money is particularly limited in this society (and it's arguable if that term even relates here as this is likely to be a collection of various disparate societies) , then it would be channelled into specific areas. The Judges, and the rich. Everyone else has to get by.
I see this MC-1 being like
Cuba where a resource depleted and economically struggling yet centrally controlled modern state relies on old vehicles being constantly recycled. They're still driving American cars from the 50's there.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2012, 09:27:10 AM
I see this MC-1 being like Cuba where a resource depleted and economically struggling yet centrally controlled modern state relies on old vehicles being constantly recycled. They're still driving American cars from the 50's there.
Agreed with it, Mr Soap.
All this talk of 'it doesn't look futuristic enough' always makes me laugh.
What does the future look like? Can anyone provide pictures?
In the 1950's, creators envisioned us commuting everywhere in flying cars, dressing in silver jump suits and taking holidays on the moon.
None of which has come to pass.
There has been a rise in technology, for sure, but not much has really changed.
This whole debate and hilarious retro-engineered arguments about why the vehicles or whatever don't quite look as futuristic isn't really worth the time or effort, because the real reason isn't down to any artisitic vision or realistic view of what the future may look like, it's because of budget.
End of.
Quote from: brendan1 on 27 June, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
This whole debate and hilarious retro-engineered arguments about why the vehicles or whatever don't quite look as futuristic isn't really worth the time or effort, because the real reason isn't down to any artisitic vision or realistic view of what the future may look like, it's because of budget.
End of.
You still won't beat them with common sense like that, you know.
Quote from: brendan1 on 27 June, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
This whole debate and hilarious retro-engineered arguments about why the vehicles or whatever don't quite look as futuristic isn't really worth the time or effort, because the real reason isn't down to any artisitic vision or realistic view of what the future may look like, it's because of budget.
Only partially, they knew about the budget beforehand but that doesn't mean it was a hinderance to the
intended look of the film.
They would've know from the time pre-production started that modern vehicles would have been inherent to the look of the film -there was no way they were ever going to kit out whole lanes of futuristic traffic for the street scenes- so people asking for changes in vehicles or CGI replacements at even the shooting stage was always folly. The look was decided upon and the film was designed around it and I doubt that budget was too much of a dominating factor after the script was written; when they knew what they wanted and the intention of the film is to show a dilapidated future anyway. The reduced focus and look of the film had been decided at the scripting stage.
They took into account the fact that they're using modern cars when they were designing and extrapolating the city atound them. They could've made the blocks more futuristic but they didn't and as it stands the vehicles don't actually look out of place in context of the colossal yet rather mundane and utilitarian blocks.
Quote from: brendan1 on 27 June, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
This whole debate and hilarious retro-engineered arguments about why the vehicles or whatever don't quite look as futuristic isn't really worth the time or effort, because the real reason isn't down to any artisitic vision or realistic view of what the future may look like, it's because of budget.
End of.
Actually, it's about how well the film-makers can create a plausible, self-consistent world within their budgetary constraints.
What I said then
Obviously it's because Detroit is now in the Cursed Earth ;)
In all honesty, the vehicles we were wanting weren't available, as the company involved utterly declined to allow us to use 'em.. So we made do with what we had to the best of our abilities..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 June, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
In all honesty, the vehicles we were wanting weren't available, as the company involved utterly declined to allow us to use 'em.. So we made do with what we had to the best of our abilities..
They'd still be modern vehicles though.
Quote from: brendan1 on 27 June, 2012, 12:48:17 PM
What I said then
Only if they're intentions were to make a more futuristic film which wasn't the intention so budget wasn't necessarily a
problem.
Quote from: brendan1 on 27 June, 2012, 12:48:17 PM
What I said then
Sure, budget has a major factor - but if their main focus was doing it for real, rather than a Minority Report CGI chase, then even if they'd had triple the budget I doubt you would have got futuristic vehicles, because then as well as fabricating enough of them you would have had also had to source or construct a futuristic backlot to accomodate them. Even the Stallone film's backlot was pretty limited, and not enough to handle a chase - same goes for Blade Runner.
I can't think of a film which uses practical futuristic vehicles and a practical futuristic city in a chase.
Minority Report, Fifth Element, Attack of the Clones... all CGI or CGI/Miniature mix.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 June, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
In all honesty, the vehicles we were wanting weren't available, as the company involved utterly declined to allow us to use 'em..
That's a shame; they would have looked great on the big screen, thundering down the skedways...
(http://i.imgur.com/4SSZU.jpg)
:D
I' sure we'd all prefer a slightly more futuristic look to the vehicles. It's somewhat of a shame - even John Wagner thinks so. It is what it is.
But we're talking about 10-15 minutes at the beginning of the film - it's really not a huge deal.
Having said that, I think the Total Recall remake looks as generic as they come (IT'S THE FUTURE - LOOK, FLYING CARS!). I rolled my eyes watching the trailer, glad the makers of DREDD didn't go down that route.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 June, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
In all honesty, the vehicles we were wanting weren't available, as the company involved utterly declined to allow us to use 'em.. So we made do with what we had to the best of our abilities..
They'd still be modern vehicles though.
Yeah, but none you'll see outside of SA.. And I don't mean those goofy looking mine protected things. Either way, it's irrelevant now.
Quote from: ming on 27 June, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 June, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
In all honesty, the vehicles we were wanting weren't available, as the company involved utterly declined to allow us to use 'em..
That's a shame; they would have looked great on the big screen, thundering down the skedways...
(http://i.imgur.com/4SSZU.jpg)
:D
That's awesome.. Anyone else remember the Major Tom books?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 June, 2012, 01:20:24 PM
Yeah, but none you'll see outside of SA.. And I don't mean those goofy looking mine protected things. Either way, it's irrelevant now.
I thoroughly place all blame at your feet.
Why not?
If a planet has gone through a major trauma and recources are scarce then recycle and reuse would be the norm. Any jump in tech would be afforded to the Judges and the filthy rich first. The great unwashed just suffer. It's always been that way and always will be that way.
V
QuoteYeah, but none you'll see outside of SA.. And I don't mean those goofy looking mine protected things. Either way, it's irrelevant now.
That got me curious...
http://aada-african-car.blogspot.co.uk/
Quote from: vzzbux on 27 June, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
If a planet has gone through a major trauma and recources are scarce then recycle and reuse would be the norm. Any jump in tech would be afforded to the Judges and the filthy rich first. The great unwashed just suffer. It's always been that way and always will be that way.
V
I don't understand the adverse reaction to the vehicles to be honest
There has always been crappy land based transport in the comics and if this truly is an early representation of the Meg then it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they are just not that advanced to have 'flying cars' yet
Quote from: Diminished Responsibility on 27 June, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
QuoteYeah, but none you'll see outside of SA.. And I don't mean those goofy looking mine protected things. Either way, it's irrelevant now.
That got me curious...
http://aada-african-car.blogspot.co.uk/
http://www.paramountgroup.biz/en/products/land
Quote from: Beeks on 27 June, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
I don't understand the adverse reaction to the vehicles to be honest
Just means there's more oppurtunity for
real road-based Lawmaster action. I like that they've literally taken this route.
Tech tends to
overburden future-films these days and serves as a
deus ex machina or narrative crutch.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: Diminished Responsibility on 27 June, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
QuoteYeah, but none you'll see outside of SA.. And I don't mean those goofy looking mine protected things. Either way, it's irrelevant now.
That got me curious...
http://aada-african-car.blogspot.co.uk/
http://www.paramountgroup.biz/en/products/land
Worked for district 9, I wonder why Dredd didnt get the go ahead?
Quote from: Anderson's Shame on 27 June, 2012, 10:23:56 PM
Worked for district 9, I wonder why Dredd didnt get the go ahead?
Would've been a new paint-job.
Quote from: Syne on 27 June, 2012, 02:07:24 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: Syne on 26 June, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?
A bit of both. In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic. The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now. I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic. Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though
Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist. You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.
I agree, the movie looks like a mix of present and future. That's why I don't have a problem with the vehicles: they don't make me think "90s," they make me think "old," which adds to the downbeat, ghetto-ish feel of the city, as if the economies so crap they either aren't making new cars or the cit's can't afford them.
Maybe they should have used one of these. It's a 2012 model, so logically it'd be less anachronistic, no?
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-photoblog/cache/toyota_prius_camper_van_tokyo_11.b36tbvy79j400oc80ks4g8w8w.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg)
Actually....at least 2012 cars
do look a bit futuristic.
In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer. When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.
This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least. If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from? Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s? And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?
Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 11:52:08 PM
Actually....at least 2012 cars do look a bit futuristic.
In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer. When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.
This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least. If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from? Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s? And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?
Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).
What do you like about the film?
QuoteTypeface?
No need to call people names. He only asked. :)
"We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to drive the cars of the future. And remember my friend, future cars such as these will be driven by you in the future...."
Apologies to Ed Wood.
I've never been THIS excited for a movie before. If this turns out to be a stinker I think I might die.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 11:52:08 PM
Quote from: Syne on 27 June, 2012, 02:07:24 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: Syne on 26 June, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?
A bit of both. In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic. The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now. I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic. Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though
Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist. You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.
I agree, the movie looks like a mix of present and future. That's why I don't have a problem with the vehicles: they don't make me think "90s," they make me think "old," which adds to the downbeat, ghetto-ish feel of the city, as if the economies so crap they either aren't making new cars or the cit's can't afford them.
Maybe they should have used one of these. It's a 2012 model, so logically it'd be less anachronistic, no?
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-photoblog/cache/toyota_prius_camper_van_tokyo_11.b36tbvy79j400oc80ks4g8w8w.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg)
Actually....at least 2012 cars do look a bit futuristic.
In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer. When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.
This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least. If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from? Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s? And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?
Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).
You're like a fart in a spacesuit. No wonder everyone thinks you're you-know-who. (I still think you are.)
When you've survived a nuclear holocaust, please be sure to tell us what the cars look like afterwards.
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-photoblog/cache/toyota_prius_camper_van_tokyo_11.b36tbvy79j400oc80ks4g8w8w.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg)
Isn't that the Elvis Mobile?
Quote from: blackmocco on 28 June, 2012, 12:50:21 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 11:52:08 PM
Quote from: Syne on 27 June, 2012, 02:07:24 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: Syne on 26 June, 2012, 11:42:43 PM
I'm a bit confused: do you think Mega City looks "modern" or "futuristic" now?
A bit of both. In one way that's ok as there's bound to be older buildings around in the future and some of the tower blocks look pretty futuristic. The Peach Trees (love the name) looks good too and I like the idea of there being an inner block war but as I said.....it's mainly those vehicles I have a problem with now. I'm still not that enthusiastic about parts of Dredds uniform and the Lawmaster but at least those look a bit futuristic. Those yellow vans look old for even the 90s though
Again there's bound to be a few old vehicles around in the future but you probably would hardly see any on the roads in the future where Dredd's supposed to exist. You hardly see any than a few years old now so the idea of seeing 90s looking vans in the future is pretty absurd....unless they're in museums.
I agree, the movie looks like a mix of present and future. That's why I don't have a problem with the vehicles: they don't make me think "90s," they make me think "old," which adds to the downbeat, ghetto-ish feel of the city, as if the economies so crap they either aren't making new cars or the cit's can't afford them.
Maybe they should have used one of these. It's a 2012 model, so logically it'd be less anachronistic, no?
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-photoblog/cache/toyota_prius_camper_van_tokyo_11.b36tbvy79j400oc80ks4g8w8w.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg)
Actually....at least 2012 cars do look a bit futuristic.
In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer. When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.
This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least. If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from? Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s? And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?
Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).
You're like a fart in a spacesuit. No wonder everyone thinks you're you-know-who. (I still think you are.)
When you've survived a nuclear holocaust, please be sure to tell us what the cars look like afterwards.
I don't bloody care if you think I'm "you know who". I'm beginning to wonder if this scojo doesn't actually exist. He's just a convenient scapegoat so anyone who says they don't like certain aspects of the film can be made to look like it's really him.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 28 June, 2012, 12:02:54 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 June, 2012, 11:52:08 PM
Actually....at least 2012 cars do look a bit futuristic.
In fact cars have looked fairly futuristic for a good few years now so even a Toyota Prius would have looked better than those puny narrow wheelbase 90s vans in the trailer. When Dredd was first out in 1977 most cars on the road looked anything but futuristic and todays cars would have looked futuristic to people in 77.
This argument that they've just gone through a nuclear war and things are very run down is a bit weak to say the least. If all the vehicles look like those things in the trailer then where've they all come from? Has someone been collecting loads of vehicles from the 90s? And where's all the 2012 vehicles....the 2020 vehicles....the 2050 vehicles (which would I think it's fair to say look even more futuristic than todays cars) and so on?
Those cars from UFO in 1970 look more futuristic than those vans in the Dredd trailer for Christs sake. It doesn't sound as if it's all down to budget from what's been said on here so if they're using a few old cars at least stick some future ones in there as well so things look a bit futuristic (which is what Dredd's supposed to be).
What do you like about the film?
Seeing as I haven't seen it yet I can't say for sure can I. Here's a few things I do like from what I've seen and heard....
I like the fact that it's going to be gritty
I like that Dredd doesn't remove his helmet
I like certain aspects of Dredds uniform (the helmet for instance)
I like certain aspects from what I've seen of Mega City 1
So just because I criticise certain aspects of the flm doesn't mean I'm this scojo or that I don't think they've got anything right.
Uh-huh.
Quote from: blackmocco on 28 June, 2012, 01:16:39 AM
Uh-huh.
And I wouldn't be surprised if I'm not the only one who's becoming sceptical about this bizarre scojo nonsense. So give it a rest please folks.
Quote from: Misanthrope on 28 June, 2012, 12:57:04 AM
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/plugins/yet-another-photoblog/cache/toyota_prius_camper_van_tokyo_11.b36tbvy79j400oc80ks4g8w8w.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg)
Isn't that the Elvis Mobile?
I think it's Mark Kermode in disguise.
*sigh* hello Scott
Quote from: Misanthrope on 27 June, 2012, 10:30:27 AM
All this talk of 'it doesn't look futuristic enough' always makes me laugh.
What does the future look like? Can anyone provide pictures?
In the 1950's, creators envisioned us commuting everywhere in flying cars, dressing in silver jump suits and taking holidays on the moon.
None of which has come to pass.
There has been a rise in technology, for sure, but not much has really changed.
Yes, I agree - me and the kids watched the
Back to the Future trilogy the other day. And in part II it's the year 2015, that was really funny to see the 80s vision of 2015 :lol: Lots of flying cars and all that!
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 28 June, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
Seeing as I haven't seen it yet I can't say for sure can I.
STOP INCESSANTLY COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT YOU
DON'T LIKE THEN.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 June, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
In all honesty, the vehicles we were wanting weren't available, as the company involved utterly declined to allow us to use 'em.. So we made do with what we had to the best of our abilities..
all this talk of of 90s vehicles.. wasn't it at least vans from 2011 that you rented..?
PS great to see you in the trailer Vee-kay :) do you know if it was
official or maybe some of your buddies
slipped it in? :thumbsup:
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 June, 2012, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 28 June, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
Seeing as I haven't seen it yet I can't say for sure can I.
STOP INCESSANTLY COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE THEN.
Yes, this isn't a direct take from the comics to the silver screen so continuing complaining and being disappointed that it isn't, seeems a bit futile.
This film is another version of Dredd (formed by the film-makers intentions and budget)
Do you understand? - CREEP! :lol:
Quote from: Goaty on 28 June, 2012, 06:36:57 AM
*sigh* hello Scott
Goaty - Can we move on, please? He's not him. Not everyone who doesn't like an aspect of the film is Scojo.
ABCWarbot - Really, you think this is some sort of group hallucination? I really don't want to waste time on talking about him, but have a trawl through the usenet archives of alt.comics.2000ad,
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics (https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics)
There's literally over a decade of his stuff there. If that's not enough for you, PM me - I don't want to clutter up the board giving a potted history of him.
Why is everyone picking on this bloke and calling him scojo?
The vehicles DO look a little bit disappointingly retro. This is largely because of budget and not because it's part of "the vision". If they had a budget of £200m I'm sure the city and vehicles and overall look of the film would be far closer to the amazing future metropolis we all know.
"Mewl mewl how do you know what the future looks like?"
Easy. We all know what Mega-City One is supposed to look like, because it's been portrayed in the fucking comic for 3 decades. It looked pretty great in the Stallone film at the start.
All this chat about fucking post-nuclear realism and whatnot is a bit silly.
Quote from: brendan1 on 28 June, 2012, 11:10:21 AM
Why is everyone picking on this bloke and calling him scojo?
Everyone isn't.
The style of complaining is somewhat familiar, is all. All apologies.
Criticism's fine and I have no problem with people not liking what they're seeing but to keep laboring the same point over and over and over again coupled with "they should CG in more futuristic vehicles" is getting old when it's made by the same person.
This is the movie, for better or worse. They're not changing anything at this point.
No problem, he does tend to breed suspicion.
But yes, I don't see any point in banging on about the same thing - it's not going to change them. If anyone is really that arsed about it, rotoscope away your life and replace them.
Quote from: Diminished Responsibility on 27 June, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
QuoteYeah, but none you'll see outside of SA.. And I don't mean those goofy looking mine protected things. Either way, it's irrelevant now.
That got me curious...
http://aada-african-car.blogspot.co.uk/
Nope..
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
http://www.paramountgroup.biz/en/products/land
Aaaaaaand nope..
After september 7..
Late to the party here - trailer is about the best thing i've seen all year!
Also, does anyone know if there's going to be a red-band trailer released? Would love to see a bit of Dredd gore! :)
I would very much expect so.
My fear is that they're going to release pretty much the entire film in various clips and trailers as seems to be the fashion these days, leaving nothing to surprise the viewer when they finally see the actual film at the cinema - and I'll watch every single one of them because I'm a fucking idiot.
I'm pretty good these days at resisting trailers - only watched The Dark Knight Rises trailer because it played before Prometheus and I literally couldn't avoid it - but I know I won't be able to help myself with Dredd!
It's rather unsettling that there's approx. 30 minutes of Spider-Man film-footage out there from all the promos and trailers.
..and it's because of the half hour emofest that was the spiderman trailer in front of Prometheus that made me not want to go watch it.
They had to. Nobody was interested in seeing it. Have to admit, I watched the 28 minute promo and it did make me want to go check it out...
I'd hate that to happen with Dredd, mind you. [spoiler]Let's face it, the plot's not exactly dense.[/spoiler] Like to keep as much of it under wraps for myself as possible.
Much as I hate trailer overload, I'd hope a redband is planned.
It doesn't have to be markedly different or show it's hand totally - just enough to attract the sort of audience that will turn up to see a few heads go pop.
I'd say a redband trailer is a certainty.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 28 June, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
Seeing as I haven't seen it yet I can't say for sure can I. Here's a few things I do like from what I've seen and heard....
I like the fact that it's going to be gritty
I like that Dredd doesn't remove his helmet
I like certain aspects of Dredds uniform (the helmet for instance)
I like certain aspects from what I've seen of Mega City 1
So just because I criticise certain aspects of the flm doesn't mean I'm this scojo or that I don't think they've got anything right.
You haven't seen the film yet but you are very quick to hammer home the negatives. I think this is the first time you have typed something positive.
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Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 June, 2012, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 28 June, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
Seeing as I haven't seen it yet I can't say for sure can I.
STOP INCESSANTLY COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE THEN.
No need to shout and don't exaggerate. I've already said some things I like and if you don't like my posts then don't read them.
Quote from: brendan1 on 28 June, 2012, 11:10:21 AM
Why is everyone picking on this bloke and calling him scojo?
The vehicles DO look a little bit disappointingly retro. This is largely because of budget and not because it's part of "the vision". If they had a budget of £200m I'm sure the city and vehicles and overall look of the film would be far closer to the amazing future metropolis we all know.
"Mewl mewl how do you know what the future looks like?"
Easy. We all know what Mega-City One is supposed to look like, because it's been portrayed in the fucking comic for 3 decades. It looked pretty great in the Stallone film at the start.
All this chat about fucking post-nuclear realism and whatnot is a bit silly.
Thanks for injecting some sanity into this scojo insanity Brendan. And can't help but agree with what you say.
Quote from: Steve Green on 28 June, 2012, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 28 June, 2012, 06:36:57 AM
*sigh* hello Scott
Goaty - Can we move on, please? He's not him. Not everyone who doesn't like an aspect of the film is Scojo.
ABCWarbot - Really, you think this is some sort of group hallucination? I really don't want to waste time on talking about him, but have a trawl through the usenet archives of alt.comics.2000ad,
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics (https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics)
There's literally over a decade of his stuff there. If that's not enough for you, PM me - I don't want to clutter up the board giving a potted history of him.
Thanks for posting those. I'll have a look at them now seeing as I know nothing about this person.
Ignoring the Scojo conversation... I'd like to add to the general feeling that - so far as trailers go - less is more. When I went to see Prometheus with a group of friends, we were all pretty appalled that how much of the film had been spoiled by the trailers. We were all unianimous that the extensive Spiderman advert was a massive mistake, and that we felt like we'd effectively seen the film.
I don't want Dredd to be ruined by following this ridiculous trend.
That half hour Spiderman trailer sounds ridiculous. I hate the way some of these traliers give half the film away before you've even seen it.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 28 June, 2012, 11:20:11 PM
That half hour Spiderman trailer sounds ridiculous.
It's not official, it's a fan edit of all available footage. The cinema trailer is 6 minutes though.
I don't want this to turn into a debate about scojo but I've just looked at what Steve's posted and to be honest....I can't really tell anything much from that apart from he had depression. I still think it's odd though. I mean is this guy some disgruntled former emploee of something 2000AD or Dredd related? If he's this well known and has been haunting the Dredd world for so long (and apparently driving loads of people mental ) is there any pictures of him?
Does anyone on here know him or who he is? Has he threatened anyone.. got some agenda or is he just a fan venting a few frustrations?
They don't accept his scripts
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 28 June, 2012, 11:23:56 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 28 June, 2012, 11:20:11 PM
That half hour Spiderman trailer sounds ridiculous.
It's not official, it's a fan edit of all available footage. The cinema trailer is 6 minutes though.
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At least it's not the studios then. Mind youthat's still a lot of footage knocking about.
Maybe even 6 minutes is a bit long too.
Fuggedaboutit, it's Scojotown.
Regarding the argument about budget and vision, I think it was probably a bit of both. They wouldn't have set out to make a sci-fi epic on a low budget, but I don't think the film has suffered for it at all. I think it looks fantastic and personally am really glad they have gone for the post-apocalyptic grunge look, rather then flying cars and shiny stuff.
They clearly wanted to make a gritty dark film from the get go, and it would have probably have been harder to put across the point that this is a bad time to live in if everyone is flying around with rocket boots.
Dredd is going to kick serious ass.
Also, on the point of trailers, I think what they should do is a fast paced super cut of loads of the gore (not all obviously), going so fast that it can't possibly ruin the story or reveal much, and they could work in a bit of slow-mo in the middle or something.
Something along the lines of the Aliens vs. Predator killmoves trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYKG6dyA110
Now THAT would get peoples attention, and make them shut up about Stallone and The Raid.
Quote from: Goaty on 28 June, 2012, 11:37:44 PM
They don't accept his scripts
Well if that's true then he obviously could have an agenda and is obviously known to certain people in the Dredd/2000AD world......there again maybe his concerns about the film are genuine.
If his name is public knowledge and I stress it's not breaking any privacy laws (and any other laws in general ) etc then let's find out who he is. Let's have a name and face.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 28 June, 2012, 11:48:21 PMlet's find out who he is. Let's have a name and face.
Let's not. Move along, move along, god please can we just move along?
To Dredd, pretty please. And I swears, if someone starts to make a point that the above issue is Dredd related, I may just track you down and scare you silly. Yes I will.
I love the trailer, by the way. Everything looks absolutely peachy keen to me, and the city and the styles and the retro all make me squirm happily. I'm definitely in the camp of 'no flying cars yay'. Love the helmet on bit, gives me chills. Electrifying :)
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 28 June, 2012, 11:44:35 PM
Something along the lines of the Aliens vs. Predator killmoves trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYKG6dyA110
Now THAT would get peoples attention, and make them shut up about Stallone and The Raid.
Maybe after its been in the cinema for about a week. I won't be able to resist watching it, and I'm mostly looking forward to seeing all the kill moves in Dredd. Mostly
Positive reviews of the trailer in this Yank podcast:
http://www.geekscholars.com/2012/06/26/gsmn045/
I think they are warming to this incarnation slowly but surely. Hopefully the film will deliver for them (and us) and he can potentially become an icon over the pond.
Whatever our 'cousins' across the pond think of the trailer, the fact remains that it looks very much like we've FINALLY got the Judge Dredd movie we've waited 35 years for; and all it took was an independent British production company, Indian money, a South African filming location, and a mere $45m... take that Yanks :P !
This is a thread to discuss the trailer, not Scojo. Stop. Talking. About. Him.
Talking about the trailer up thread there. There were worries that half the film be shown in two trailers. I was appreciating how they mainly expanded on stills already doing the rounds. Its pretty tight and still a full on film trailer. The red band may do the same for the gore. Photos already posted getting given a little movement.