It seems a new Star Trek series has been given the go ahead for début in January 2017. Unfortunately it's on CBS' VoD service.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-tv-series-works-828638 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-tv-series-works-828638)
Dear grud, from the co-writer of STID. I can think of nothing worse.
Quote from: Tordelback on 02 November, 2015, 06:12:30 PM
Dear grud, from the co-writer of STID. I can think of nothing worse.
Forget about Berman and Braga already?
Later Berman Trek is tired and embarrassing, no question, but everyone involved in nosediving the promising reboot into the septic tank that is STID should get a lifetime ban.
Quote from: Tordelback on 02 November, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
Later Berman Trek is tired and embarrassing, no question, but everyone involved in nosediving the promising reboot into the septic tank that is STID should get a lifetime ban.
Agreed. I was excited by the headline, disappointed by the names involved.
Although, come on now TB he's not just known for Into Darkness, he also co-wrote Cowboys & Aliens, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Ender's Game and The Amazing Spider-Man 2! Lets not tar him too readiy eh? :S
Isn't the next film a return to ST:TOS with the Enterprise crew going on some 5 year franchise 'to boldly go where no one has gone before?' Perhaps this new Trek will follow the Movie theme too though isn't that what ST Voyager did before as well? They had to get pneumatic bosoms in to keep that series going.
To be fair to Jeri Ryan, that costume might have given her extra lift, (it's basically a corset under there) but her bossoms are natural.
Your point stands though. I genuinely though the stories got a lot better after she joined as well though, but there's no doubt they played the titillation (no pun intended) card with her costume. Although I genuinely liked the character's, er, character. Credit to her for being a full three dimensional character.... and why does that sentence seem like an innuendo....
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 02 November, 2015, 08:04:32 PM
Although, come on now TB he's not just known for Into Darkness, he also co-wrote Cowboys & Aliens, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Ender's Game and The Amazing Spider-Man 2! Lets not tar him too readiy eh? :S
But I like Cowboys And Aliens!
Otherwise... fair point. Well made.
I should be excited by this.
But I'm not.
"bossoms"? Is that a Borg implant? Similarly, with T'POL in Enterprise. very obviously the FHM friendly face of the show but her chararacter was great; her raised eyebrow acting giving Roger Moore a run for his money.
The thing about Star Trek for me was that the ideal was greater than the ideas used to portray it. I love ST, and always will, but a lot of it is borderline crap, story and entertainment wise. In this area, I think Babylon 5 beats Trek hands-down in every area.
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My favourite Trek series is Enterprise because here the ST ideals are embryonic and vague. We know what we want them to be and what they're going to be - but how the Hell to get there? I enjoyed the "making this up as we go" approach and the relatively feeble Enterprise just diving into the deep end. I thought Enterprise came closest to capturing the core spirit of the Trek universe.
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My second favourite is DS9 for the opposite reason. Here the Trek ideal doesn't altogether work and is often an impediment. If Enterprise was about figuring out how to achieve the Trek ideal, DS9 was about how to maintain it. (Also; Dax.)
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Then it's TOS then TNG. TOS is TOS but TNG, whilst delivering so very much to admire and enjoy, was a bit muddled and always vaguely disappointing.
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Of the films, some are excellent and some are dire but I have enjoyed both the rebooted films. Perhaps I'm biased because Enterprise, my favourite Trek series, is the only one that's still in the modern 'canon...'
^You forgot Voyager.
I've been trying to do that for years :D
Oh yes - hmmm, I wonder why that was? It had Year of Hell, one of my most beloved Treks, and a couple of other interesting points. Voyager was very disappointing to me as a series. If any series could have benefited from the B5 approach, it's Voyager.
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Last on my list, I'm afraid.
Is Enterprise in the post-2009 'canon'? Wouldn't Riker and Troi's role in the finale mess that up? Or maybe it wouldn't, since TNG could conceivably share the same past up to the arrival of Nero's ship.
...And then there's that whole alternate futures, parallel universes and "it was all a dream" bag of worms.
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Then there's that mirror-universe Enterprise episode with the Shatkirk timeline starship...
Enterprise (apart from the finale, which the cast, production crew, and publishers of spin-off media have disowned) is still canon: Scotty's backstory in the reboot movie is that he killed Captain (now Admiral) Archer's pet beagle while recreating a transporter experiment from Enterprise's fourth season.
...Man I really need to watch more Star Trek before reading threads like this.
Hmmm, isn't Enterprise set in the 2150s and TOS in the 2260s, making Admiral Archer about 150 in the years prior to ST2009? I know McCoy was still around in the 2360s for TNG at age 137, but a century more for Archer and Porthos XVI seems... ah feck it. I got nothing.
He probably ended up living with Porthos XC on a lonely asteroid, brooding over where he went wrong and tinkering with something dangerous. That seems to be what becomes of most Trek legends.
Could be Admiral Archer II or III re-boot Scottie was talking about? You know how these Earth-things are with their titles and traditions...
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Although, if memory serves, Scotty only mentions Archer's prize beagle, not Archer himself - so maybe it was stuffed.
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Well, you can see the Enterprise NX in the display of past starships when Admiral Robocop is talking in that second Trek reboot thing, and if the amount of time between Enterprise and NuTrek is that significant, then surely it wouldn't be affected by NuTrek's alternate-timeline shenanigans?
Although we are ignoring the most obvious answer to any NuTrek conundrum: NuTrek is stupid, so a wizard probably did it.
Or Apollo.
Voyager really had the closest concept to TOS. A Federation starship lost in completely unexplored space? A crew made up of two rival factions? Great idea. The producers just never had the balls to really go their own way with it. The crew got along straight away. The stories were tired and stale. Didn't take long for the Borg to show up and giant boobs in a skintight suit to try boost ratings. Wasted opportunity.
Later writers came in with good ideas and good intentions for Voyager, but the producers resisted any attempts at changing the formula that wasn't "make my girlfriend the focus of as many episodes as possible."
Quote from: Scolaighe Ó'Bear on 05 November, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
Enterprise (apart from the finale, which the cast, production crew, and publishers of spin-off media have disowned) is still canon:
Why is that then? I didn't read the last episode as "Everything you have seen for the last foru seasons was a holodeck adventure" just "What you have seen in this episode was a holodeck adventure". I actually thought it was a cute framing device - especially seeing Riker chat about lunch and prepare meals like he was a female character in early season Walking Dead. No reason for it not to be canon.
it's still canon, it's just regarded as a shitty finale because it was more of a guest-platform for Riker and Troi whereas most of the cast of the actual show had nothing at all to do. It was a kick in the teeth for the Enterprise team, as it was seen as more of a TNG episode than a ST:E one. The big speech that it's been building up to throughout the episode, (Archer basically founding the Federation) was not even shown as Riker shuts off the holodeck. Also, the death of Tucker was gratuitous and made no sense.
The short answer is: the cast and production crew felt aggrieved because the finale shifted the primary focus from their show to a show that hadn't been on air for 12 years, while the licence-holders for spin-off novels and comics were aggrieved because they tend to deliberately avoid retconning or ignoring primary canon because that just annoys the fanboys they rely upon, but the nature of Enterprise's finale meant that by necessity they had to retcon it if they wanted to produce stories set after the show's second season.
The long answer is: the finale, written by the original writers/producers who had been sidelined by the network two years earlier and were returning to write only the finale, ignored almost everything that had been gestating for the previous two seasons' worth of stories - like the upcoming Earth/Romulan war and Shran becoming a show regular - by skipping ahead in time and establishing that none of that (anything planned by newer producers on the show) had ended up happening, while also killing off a lead character so that the story couldn't continue as was if Enterprise was renewed by another network or picked up in other media. It is deeply unlikely that this happened by accident, and several people have gone on record as saying they were not best pleased by what seemed to be a mean-spirited parting shot, such as the pilot bloke, the Vulcan lady, the engineer, and a couple of show writers. Johnathan Frakes (Riker) has also since disowned it, saying it was a mistake to have a TNG character "shut down" someone else's show.
To be frank, I don't think any Trek series had a decent finale.
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 05 November, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
To be frank, I don't think any Trek series had a decent finale.
TNG not only had a cool (if nonsensical) satisfying finale, it also had a magnificent final scene. And amazingly so did the final TOS movie. Which made Generations all the more unforgivable.
Yeah, All Good Things is great.
I obviously didn't pay enough attention to Enterprise as I missed all that.
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 05 November, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
To be frank, I don't think any Trek series had a decent finale.
Yeah man, have to disagree with you.
All Good Things... is fucking awesome. Triple-nacelle Enterprise-D smashing some Klingon cruisers up and setting a story in the past, present AND future simultaneously. Magic stuff.
STAR TREK RETURNS OH YES!!!!
saw a perfect post on FB.about this.
Star wars
Star trek
The X files
Looks like some geek found a lamp and the genie offered him three wishes. :P :lol: