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Title: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: A.Cow on 30 December, 2016, 04:51:54 AM
Was recently re-reading the Texas City Coup storyline (or whatever we're calling it this week) and came across this continuity stinker where Giant meets Joyce for the first time:

(http://i66.tinypic.com/13z7no1.jpg)

Shame on you, Michael Carroll and/or Colin MacNeil!
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: JOE SOAP on 30 December, 2016, 05:25:40 AM


Obviously this calls for a lynching.

Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 09:33:12 AM
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Let this be a lesson to all on the perils of pedantry, smart aleckry, and whataboutery in all its forms. Not only did the more handsome and talented Link Prime highlight this anomaly five months ago (link) (https://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43439.msg923095#msg923095), he even knew it happened in prog 1987, not prog 1980.


Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: A.Cow on 30 December, 2016, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 09:33:12 AM
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Let this be a lesson to all on the perils of pedantry, smart aleckry, and whataboutery in all its forms. Not only did the more handsome and talented Link Prime highlight this anomaly five months ago (link) (https://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43439.msg923095#msg923095), he even knew it happened in prog 1987, not prog 1980.

<fist mode="shake" direction="skywards">Noooooooooo!!!</fist>

I feel inadequate, unhandsome/untalented and justifiably emasculated.  I'll get me coat...
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Dash Decent on 30 December, 2016, 12:13:57 PM
Could they be different Judges?  Surely there's more than one person in the world with Joyce as a surname.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: A.Cow on 30 December, 2016, 11:39:13 AM
I'll get me coat ...

That's not how this game is played!

Your return of serve should be that the Judge GIA(rest obscured) who's pictured working with and speaking to Joyce in prog 1975 is actually Judge Giacomo*.


* Judge Sam Giacomo (http://images.moviepostershop.com/sex-lies-and-videotape-movie-poster-1989-1010208802.jpg). Maybe Judge Sam Giancana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Giancana).
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Colin MacNeil on 30 December, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
Ahem!... Not my fault, Guv! :)

From episode One, page one of the Grindstone Cowboys script.

4. Ext. Morning. Mega-City One, streets. On Giant and Joyce, exhausted but still standing, blood dripping from their daysticks, among many unconscious rioters: a lot more rioters are fleeing. Giant has his hand raised to his helmet, receiving a call from Control.

Caption:   "... But it'll take more than your constant doom-mongering to solve the crisis."

Giant:   Acknowledged, Control. On our way.

Giant (link):   Ram-raid in progress, Spiker Piazza. You feeling up to it, Joyce?

Joyce:   Not especially. Let's go.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Rately on 30 December, 2016, 03:48:57 PM
* Gets popcorn *
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 30 December, 2016, 05:09:20 PM
A continuity error thread? On a comic book forum? I'm sure this will end well...
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 05:44:22 PM
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Is everyone else suffering a nose bleed? I think it's a side effect of one of the elder gods (http://i.imgur.com/2Us4uZq.jpg) folding down from the four dimensional geometry of overspace to post on a forum. He killed Johnny Alpha, you know. And Chopper.


Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 30 December, 2016, 05:09:20 PM
A continuity error thread? On a comic book forum? I'm sure this will end well...

Hopefully, Tharg will force the criminal, Michael Carroll, to write an elaborate, multi-part story explaining why Joyce and Giant Jr II were putting on a performance to convince Dredd they hadn't met previously.


Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Tjm86 on 30 December, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
Quote from: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 05:44:22 PM
Hopefully, Tharg will force the criminal, Michael Carroll, to write an elaborate, multi-part story explaining why Joyce and Giant Jr II were putting on a performance to convince Dredd they hadn't met previously.

Dredd: the Alzheimer years?  He is the right age for early onset.  Perhaps they didn't want to embarrass the old feller?
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 06:14:29 PM
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Joyce II and Giant III are having an affair behind Dredd's back*.

Or maybe it's like the bit in Godfather II (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwFC9QKCzgw), where Michael realises Fredo set him up because he and Johnny Ola had pretended not to know each other when they'd been introduced, earlier.


* That wasn't blood they were wiping from their daysticks
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: A.Cow on 31 December, 2016, 10:27:46 AM
Quote from: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 05:44:22 PM
Hopefully, Tharg will force the criminal, Michael Carroll, to write an elaborate, multi-part story explaining why Joyce and Giant Jr II were putting on a performance to convince Dredd they hadn't met previously.

Quote from: Frank on 30 December, 2016, 06:14:29 PM
Joyce II and Giant III are having an affair behind Dredd's back.

I'm definitely up for Carroll's epic exploration of the backstory of Joyiant IIĀ½*, preferably involving creative-yet-brilliantly-logical use of Lawgiver bullets and the "surprise" appearance of Dolman.

* portmanteau-ed in accordance with international celebrity supercouple shipping regulations.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 31 December, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
Tony Blair came back to life with no explanation after dying in Maniac 5, and I don't see everyone moaning about that.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 31 December, 2016, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 31 December, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
Tony Blair came back to life with no explanation after dying in Maniac 5, and I don't see everyone moaning about that.
More's the pity....
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Mike Carroll on 31 December, 2016, 04:47:09 PM
Hmm... Just spotted this thread!

The error (or "continuity stinker" -- thanks, A. Cow!) was the result of a minor screw-up by me and minor mix-up in the Nerve Centre: I wrote "The Grindstone Cowboys" many months before I started working on "Reclamation" and, to be frank, I'd forgotten that I'd already shown Joyce and Giant working together (Giant wasn't in my original plan for that scene in "The Grindstone Cowboys": I added him later because I wanted to foreshadow his appearance in "Reclamation").

I spotted the mistake shortly after I delivered "Reclamation" and informed The Mighty One, then sent him the corrected version. Unfortunately, the revised version of the script was mislaid or something and the incorrect one was used instead.

The good news is that we've managed to patch over the mistake by tweaking the dialogue in the collected edition (Every Empire Falls, due to be published in early February), and it should be absolutely seamless and unnoticeable to new readers (or established readers who are a tad less pedantic observant) as long as those who DO know it's there don't go "helpfully" pointing it out to everyone...

Cheers,
Mike
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Tjm86 on 31 December, 2016, 05:12:06 PM
Yeah, Yeah. 

Next you'll be telling us you left it in a pub and had to rewrite the whole thing in an evening!  ;)
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 31 December, 2016, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 31 December, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
Tony Blair came back to life with no explanation after dying in Maniac 5, and I don't see everyone moaning about that.

Why moan about a fictional Blair while the real one's still on the loose?
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 01 January, 2017, 05:48:27 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 31 December, 2016, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 31 December, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
Tony Blair came back to life with no explanation after dying in Maniac 5, and I don't see everyone moaning about that.

Why moan about a fictional Blair while the real one's still on the loose?

Pretty much every military and political leader in Maniac 5 commits suicide after making a morally difficult decision. As if any of them give half a fuck about killing in reality.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: sheridan on 02 January, 2017, 12:04:13 AM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 31 December, 2016, 04:47:09 PM
(or established readers who are a tad less pedantic observant) as long as those who DO know it's there don't go "helpfully" pointing it out to everyone...

Cheers,
Mike

I like that, observant.  As in - "I believe in continuity, but I'm not observant.  I don't read the (story) bible or anything, just observe on special occassions".
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Smith on 02 January, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
Just a minor thing,thats a bit funny,in prog #1976,Aquila encounters the three-headed dog CEREBUS.  :)
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: sheridan on 02 January, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Smith on 02 January, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
Just a minor thing,thats a bit funny,in prog #1976,Aquila encounters the three-headed dog CEREBUS.  :)

(http://www.comicbookreligion.com/img/c/e/Cerebus_the_Aardvark.jpg)
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Smith on 02 January, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 02 January, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Smith on 02 January, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
Just a minor thing,thats a bit funny,in prog #1976,Aquila encounters the three-headed dog CEREBUS.  :)

(http://www.comicbookreligion.com/img/c/e/Cerebus_the_Aardvark.jpg)
That was my first thought too.It also happens in the next prog.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: M.I.K. on 02 January, 2017, 03:00:29 PM
Yup. I mentioned it at the time. It seems to be one of the most common mistakes when folk are referencing mythological beasties.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 January, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
Its how the old aardvark got his name in the first place as I recall.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Smith on 02 January, 2017, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 02 January, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
Its how the old aardvark got his name in the first place as I recall.
Who would have guessed? :)
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Richard on 03 January, 2017, 09:03:15 PM
Tony Blair didn't die in Maniac 5. He nuked London, but no-one said he was in London at the time.
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Link Prime on 04 January, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
You almost got away with it Mike- if not for those meddling kids!
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Proudhuff on 05 January, 2017, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 31 December, 2016, 04:47:09 PM
Hmm... Just spotted this thread!

The error (or "continuity stinker" -- thanks, A. Cow!) was the result of a minor screw-up by me and minor mix-up in the Nerve Centre: I wrote "The Grindstone Cowboys" many months before I started working on "Reclamation" and, to be frank, I'd forgotten that I'd already shown Joyce and Giant working together (Giant wasn't in my original plan for that scene in "The Grindstone Cowboys": I added him later because I wanted to foreshadow his appearance in "Reclamation").

I spotted the mistake shortly after I delivered "Reclamation" and informed The Mighty One, then sent him the corrected version. Unfortunately, the revised version of the script was mislaid or something and the incorrect one was used instead.

The good news is that we've managed to patch over the mistake by tweaking the dialogue in the collected edition (Every Empire Falls, due to be published in early February), and it should be absolutely seamless and unnoticeable to new readers (or established readers who are a tad less pedantic observant) as long as those who DO know it's there don't go "helpfully" pointing it out to everyone...

Cheers,
Mike

Ah know you were going to say that!
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 06 January, 2017, 08:28:54 PM
'Pedant alarm bleats'

....Where did the horse come from?
Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: A.Cow on 06 January, 2017, 10:08:05 PM
And another thing...

In ABC Warriors: Return to Ro-Busters, Clint Langley's Howard Quartz keeps switching back-and-forth between a traditional anticlockwise 0-9 telephone dial and a clockwise 0-7 dial.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/xble3a.jpg)

This raises two vital questions:

Title: Re: Pedants' corner a.k.a. "Get me Mek-Quake on speed-dial!"
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 January, 2017, 10:15:44 PM

Like Hammerstein he has alternate heads/faces.