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Title: Mega City block names
Post by: barneytabasco on 09 February, 2020, 02:10:26 PM
I've often wondered if anyone has ever made a list of every named Mega City block in the Dredd strip. It seems to me that they don't appear as often as they used to.
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Gary James on 09 February, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
I hate you a little right now. You know that don't you?1

A full list won't be forthcoming any time soon.

1. This is pretty much pure OCD-bait, designed to get me away from doing the horrible thing. Thankfully my willpower is holding for the moment...
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Steve Green on 09 February, 2020, 02:46:58 PM
Quote from: barneytabasco on 09 February, 2020, 02:10:26 PM
I've often wondered if anyone has ever made a list of every named Mega City block in the Dredd strip. It seems to me that they don't appear as often as they used to.

Someone did a book of all the locations, but it's out of print, and a few years old now.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/City-Dredd-John-Caliber/dp/1447661354?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=1447661354
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: barneytabasco on 10 February, 2020, 02:18:37 PM
Thanks for the replies. That book looks interesting. Am I right in thinking that the writers and artists don't include the block names in Dredd as much as they used to?  Block names were sometimes used in a way that added to the particular story they appeared in. I know I'm going back a while but I always liked how Bob Oppenheimer block was used in the Apocalypse War. I also seem to remember Bob Dylan block and Woody Guthrie block being neighbours.

Has anyone got any favourites?
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: sheridan on 10 February, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
I'm in the midst of a prog slog (well, still quite close to the beginning, to be honest) and the most recent story I read involved the first appearance (and first destruction) of Bob Oppenheimer.  As I'm going along I'm updating the following wiki:
Category:Mega-City One Blocks (https://2000ad.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Mega-City_One_blocks)
At the current rate I should be up to date in the year 2026 or so.  Hope you're patient!
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: barneytabasco on 10 February, 2020, 02:39:08 PM
Thanks sheridan. That's exactly the thing I was looking for!
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Funt Solo on 10 February, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
I'm both impressed and disturbed by the level of nerdage going on here.

(After a stressful and tiring week at work I relaxed on Friday evening by entering data into a spreadsheet while Stranger Things played off to one side. Excel: it's my opiate. Mind you: so is opium.)
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: sheridan on 10 February, 2020, 07:50:26 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 February, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
I'm both impressed and disturbed by the level of nerdage going on here.

(After a stressful and tiring week at work I relaxed on Friday evening by entering data into a spreadsheet while Stranger Things played off to one side. Excel: it's my opiate. Mind you: so is opium.)

Disgraceful behaviour on a Friday night.  Get with the times - google sheets rocks!
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Rackle on 10 February, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 10 February, 2020, 07:50:26 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 February, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
I'm both impressed and disturbed by the level of nerdage going on here.

(After a stressful and tiring week at work I relaxed on Friday evening by entering data into a spreadsheet while Stranger Things played off to one side. Excel: it's my opiate. Mind you: so is opium.)

Disgraceful behaviour on a Friday night.  Get with the times - google sheets rocks!

:o

Mind your grammar, darling.
It's Google Sheets rock! Tsk Tsk. Can't get the staff these days.
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Dash Decent on 11 February, 2020, 12:43:11 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 February, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
Excel: it's my opiate.

There's a great little converter that allows you to put values in cells to represent colours.  Every three cells represents a pixel.  You can use the converter to turn photos into spreadsheets.  Mind you, you have to zoom out to something like 10% to see the photo.
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: sheridan on 11 February, 2020, 01:07:41 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 11 February, 2020, 12:43:11 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 February, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
Excel: it's my opiate.

There's a great little converter that allows you to put values in cells to represent colours.  Every three cells represents a pixel.  You can use the converter to turn photos into spreadsheets.  Mind you, you have to zoom out to something like 10% to see the photo.

Full Frontal Nerdity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBX2QQHlQ_I) (don't have time to double-check, but I think that's a video showing what you're talking about, taken from a comedy and/or science festival).
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 11 February, 2020, 02:51:26 PM
I'm fighting with Charlton Heston Block! What about you skivers?
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Proudhuff on 11 February, 2020, 04:42:16 PM
can you hear me? CF Block ... your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"

(https://cafart.r.worldssl.net/images/Category_7767/subcat_26388/pwblock800.jpg)
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Gary James on 11 February, 2020, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 February, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
I'm both impressed and disturbed by the level of nerdage going on here.
:lol:

So... I've been thinking about the best way to have useful data - that is, a layout which can be sorted according to various needs. I've already figured out that the first chunk of blocks which are named all came from John Wagner's pen, though the first is a problem. Well, it is a problem for me.

I haven't found any screenings of Soylent Green from the late 70s which might have prompted the name on the side of the building, but in April of the year before Film 78 ran an episode which (among other films) looked at Heston's SF classic.

The only Heston release (of note) which was shown within the likely timeframe of the script being written was Gray Lady Down, a disaster flick about a sunken submarine, and it isn't even an SF release. It is a film which on the surface - so to speak - doesn't really fit with anything in the story so it might have been Heston's penchant for firearms which earned him the honor of being the first to have a city block named after him... Only that doesn't work either. A story about littering? Iron Eyes Cody Block would have been more appropriate.

It is slightly bugging me that there isn't an obvious line of thought from which the first Block received its name.

Anyways, the information (and I only have the first 60 or so blocks listed, so no yelling for me to get a move on), for it to have any use, needs the date of appearance. It also needs how it is used. Some spoken references without seeing a block might be jokes not intended to reflect a real location in MC1 - sorta 'go to Vinnie Jones Block' can be construed as something akin to 'go to hell'.

I'm noting where the blocks have explicitly been shown to be destroyed, although the writers and artists of the stories where blocks appeared are a matter of debate. I started listing them, but it's probably not going to be of as much use - unless anyone desperately needs to know who created the most blocks (a hint - it is likely to be Wagner).

Not that I have any of them in my hands yet, but I'm thinking of using the game books to indicate which sectors the known blocks are in.
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: sheridan on 11 February, 2020, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: Gary James on 11 February, 2020, 08:33:43 PM
It is slightly bugging me that there isn't an obvious line of thought from which the first Block received its name.

I suspect there isn't going to be an obvious line of thought.  When Rowdy Yates Block was named it would have been a twenty to twenty-five year old pop cultural reference (I know it was five to ten years before I knew it had anything to do with Wagon Train, and that was probably as a result of a letter in the Nerve Centre).

QuoteNot that I have any of them in my hands yet, but I'm thinking of using the game books to indicate which sectors the known blocks are in.

Which game books are you referring to?  I know a mobile game company had one or two gamebooks (Fighting Fantasy style) a few years ago, but by the time I had a smart phone they weren't available any more.  Then there's the Games Workshop RPG, the two Mongoose RPGs (one based on D20 the other Traveller) and the current RPG - Judge Dredd and the Worlds of 2000AD (based on WOIN).
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Gary James on 11 February, 2020, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 11 February, 2020, 09:31:20 PM
When Rowdy Yates Block was named it would have been a twenty to twenty-five year old pop cultural reference (I know it was five to ten years before I knew it had anything to do with Wagon Train, and that was probably as a result of a letter in the Nerve Centre).
Rawhide, actually. And not so far removed as you might imagine - the music had been re-popularized by The Blues Brothers (1980), and the show itself returned... at some point. Pretty sure Channel 4 had it, but without paper references in front of me that's going to have to wait.

It was always stated that Eastwood was an inspiration (in part) for Dredd, so the resumed popularity of the series must have given confidence that the naming of the block wasn't too obscure.

Quote from: sheridan on 11 February, 2020, 09:31:20 PM
Which game books are you referring to?
I figured that I'd bite the bullet and get everything that's out there. There's a few references to things that are in the books, though nearly everything seems to have been last updated about a decade ago - really not the most helpful hint, yet worth chasing down all the same. It would be nice if citations were given (author, publisher, isbn, and year of release), rather than "a Dredd game book," but it won't take long to narrow the field down once I track down everything that's been published.

At some point I was going to have had to buy them anyway, and at least this way the information isn't going to be buried away out of reach.
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: sheridan on 12 February, 2020, 12:48:25 AM
Quote from: Gary James on 11 February, 2020, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 11 February, 2020, 09:31:20 PM
When Rowdy Yates Block was named it would have been a twenty to twenty-five year old pop cultural reference (I know it was five to ten years before I knew it had anything to do with Wagon Train, and that was probably as a result of a letter in the Nerve Centre).
Rawhide, actually. And not so far removed as you might imagine - the music had been re-popularized by The Blues Brothers (1980), and the show itself returned... at some point. Pretty sure Channel 4 had it, but without paper references in front of me that's going to have to wait.

Shows how before my time both shows were!

Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: sheridan on 03 April, 2020, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 10 February, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
I'm in the midst of a prog slog (well, still quite close to the beginning, to be honest) and the most recent story I read involved the first appearance (and first destruction) of Bob Oppenheimer.  As I'm going along I'm updating the following wiki:
Category:Mega-City One Blocks (https://2000ad.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Mega-City_One_blocks)
At the current rate I should be up to date in the year 2026 or so.  Hope you're patient!
Wish I'd made a note of how many where in that category at the time - I'm sure it was around seventy or eighty.  Whatever, it's 175 as of today.
Title: Re: Mega City block names
Post by: Richard on 04 April, 2020, 03:56:20 PM
To be clear, the Dredd gamebook was an app for your phone, it was never released as an actual book. The app is no longer available.