Have a nosey here for how this will work.
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Got it - cool. Here are the groups and characters in each (in no particular order). There is no need to nominate the characters listed, we're looking for characters not included in the list below.
Nominations close early Sunday 19th July
Scoundels and tricksters
Claw Carver
Brass + Bland (exception as two characters)
Cap'n Evil Blood
Mega City One Mass murders
Orlok
Fink Angel
PJ Maybe
Cross world capers
Doctor Orlando Doyle
Mr. Cheetl
Satannus
Beasts and animals
Old One Eye
Tiger Commander
Shako
Cyborgs
Artie Gruber
Howard Quartz
Mean Machine
Strontium Dog
Max Bubba
Nelson Kreelman
Stix Brothers (see Brand and Brass!)
27th Century Russia
Dmitri Romanov
Lulu Romanov
Tsar Vladimir the Conqueror
Robots
BlackBlood
Mekquake
Toby (no need for spoiler right?)
Rogue Judges
Rico Dredd
Judge Cal
Judge Edgar
Demons and Undead
Ethan Kostabi
Jenny Simmons
Hauptmann Costanza
Dark Judges
Fear
Fire
Mortis
Crime lords
Stickleback
Moses Tenebaum
Al Bestardi
Military and Government
War Marshal Kazan
Van Owen
Traitor General
Mythical
Elfric
Slough Feg
Masterman (Lloigor)
World Leaders
Torquemada
President Booth
Mekon
Magic PSi types
Malok Brood
Judge Child
Sagon
Nomination:
Group - Dark Judges
Character -Judge Death
Comment- did you leave him out on purpose, in a sort of non-Wagner or non-Dredd way, as in he will probably win the villains category or is that the ultimate in forgetting someone? 😉
Other comment - Al Bestardi's not a villain. Sure he is a mob hit man, but he has a heart of gold.
Nominations
Pa Angel
Junior Angel
Not sure they fit into any of your categories though. Crimelords would be overstating it.
Nominations:
Protoid - I'd put him under Scoundrels and Tricksters
Thrax - Or does he belong in the other list? Here under Military and Government, there under Soldiers.
Phobia and Nausea - joint entry under Dark Judges
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 July, 2020, 09:07:34 AM
Character -Judge Death
Comment- did you leave him out on purpose, in a sort of non-Wagner or non-Dredd way, as in he will probably win the villains category or is that the ultimate in forgetting someone? 😉
Couple of confessions coming up. For Death that was me being cheeky. I did consider ruling him out like Dredd, but figure he's a much more devisive figure than Joe and I don't think (but we'll see) he'll win the competition after THE MERGING... (I'm trying to build that up) but might make for some interesting votes, so I left him in... except.... I don't really like him so I decided if folks want him in they can bloomin' well nominate him. So in summary me being childish!
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 July, 2020, 09:07:34 AM
Other comment - Al Bestardi's not a villain. Sure he is a mob hit man, but he has a heart of gold.
Yeah hands up here too. I was struggling to get him in the heroes side and decided being a Mod boss defo qualifies you as a baddie and so popped him over this side were getting a guarnteed place was easier (strangely - lets see who I've forgotten!). There's another character here who I had on the 'heroes' side but couldn't find a place for and fitted in this side much easily so I cranked them here as a bit of a cheat. Let's see if folks can guess who.
Quote from: Greg M. on 12 July, 2020, 09:18:01 AM
Nominations:
Protoid - I'd put him under Scoundrels and Tricksters
Thrax - Or does he belong in the other list? Here under Military and Government, there under Soldiers.
Phobia and Nausea - joint entry under Dark Judges
Yeah you see the problem. I had a few of the Bad Company characters on each side and in the end ran out of slots and so avoiding making the decision. In my mind Thrax sits in the heroes side, in that he's an absolute git but fights on the side of the angels (ahem!) in story terms at least. BUT I'm defo happy to put him on this side as he's such a great character... so folks get your votes in for Thrax.... while I remain impartial!
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
In my mind Thrax sits in the heroes side, in that he's an absolute git but fights on the side of the angels (ahem!) in story terms at least.
You're right that he's always on the side of Bad Company as a whole - even when he deserts, he comes straight back. But he's also a cold-blooded murderer who kills one of the raws for annoying him. I've always said his function the story is as yardstick for Danny - how Danny reacts to him shows how 'bad' Danny has become.
Quote from: Greg M. on 12 July, 2020, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
In my mind Thrax sits in the heroes side, in that he's an absolute git but fights on the side of the angels (ahem!) in story terms at least.
You're right that he's always on the side of Bad Company as a whole - even when he deserts, he comes straight back. But he's also a cold-blooded murderer who kills one of the raws for annoying him. I've always said his function the story is as yardstick for Danny - how Danny reacts to him shows how 'bad' Danny has become.
Not forgetting I've not even found a slot for Danny Franks which was a travesty I was always hoping nominations would sort out. Yeah Thrax played a very distinct roll in my mind in Bad Company in setting the bar for now perverted the idea of good and bad had become and as you say a benchmark for Danny.
So many characters fit into this grey area... and its a spectrum... and Thrax is right at the side of 'baddie' but from a story perspective placed with the 'goodies'. Bad Company is a prime example of a 2000ad story which plays with the very idea that such concepts are ridiculous and makes my Divisions pretty arbitary... but it makes for more fun!
What about Major Magnum also as a villain
I always mention Ding Dong Dooley in such matters but don't think he was that bad, just a poor yachtsman.
What about God in Cannon Fodder? The Buttonmen as a group - some crackers in there.
Quote from: broodblik on 12 July, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
What about Major Magnum also as a villain
Under Military and Government
For Robots - Call me Kenneth, Nero Narcos (or as Cyborg ...)
For Dredd we are likely to be here all day but can we at least agree that Judge Cal needs including?
As for Rogue Trooper, can we honestly miss out Bland and Brass or is that what you meant with Brand and Brass for SD? Also is Venus BlueGenes a villain?
On the subject of SD - Bubo and the Bad Boys and are we limited to just the Tooth era or do we include Starlord as well?
Quote from: Buttonman on 12 July, 2020, 10:42:57 AM
I always mention Ding Dong Dooley in such matters but don't think he was that bad, just a poor yachtsman.
What about God in Cannon Fodder? The Buttonmen as a group - some crackers in there.
Oh I'm confused now??? Who what Ding Dong Dooley???
God can defo be a villain - have you read the Old Testament! And Buttonmen would have to be the individual characters - I decided not to include species such as The Krool as well.
Quote from: broodblik on 12 July, 2020, 10:48:01 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 12 July, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
What about Major Magnum also as a villain
Under Military and Government
Yep defo - is that a nomination then?
Yip Magnum for Military Villain
Quote from: Tjm86 on 12 July, 2020, 10:49:50 AM
For Robots - Call me Kenneth, Nero Narcos (or as Cyborg ...)
For Dredd we are likely to be here all day but can we at least agree that Judge Cal needs including?
As for Rogue Trooper, can we honestly miss out Bland and Brass or is that what you meant with Brand and Brass for SD? Also is Venus BlueGenes a villain?
On the subject of SD - Bubo and the Bad Boys and are we limited to just the Tooth era or do we include Starlord as well?
I thought Cal was in there... hold on...phew yeah he's in Rogue Judges.
Yes I meant Brass and Bland but they're in Scoundels and tricksters.
I'd go Venus as a goodie?
Errrr I guess you can include Starlord and Tornado villains as long as the strip they appeared in transfered over to 2000ad.
For Crime lords Albino form Brink
For Mythical Alberto Modi from Hope
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
Quote from: Greg M. on 12 July, 2020, 09:18:01 AM
Nominations:
Protoid - I'd put him under Scoundrels and Tricksters
Thrax - Or does he belong in the other list? Here under Military and Government, there under Soldiers.
Phobia and Nausea - joint entry under Dark Judges
Yeah you see the problem. I had a few of the Bad Company characters on each side and in the end ran out of slots and so avoiding making the decision. In my mind Thrax sits in the heroes side, in that he's an absolute git but fights on the side of the angels (ahem!) in story terms at least. BUT I'm defo happy to put him on this side as he's such a great character... so folks get your votes in for Thrax.... while I remain impartial!
Despite what I said about Death, I'd put Torquemada ahead of him as the best 2000AD villain. Hands down.
Re Al, yeah I kinda get that, but you have Harry Exton and Ray & Finny has Heroes and I'm guessing they have killed way more people than Al.
As to the other characters who could have been classed as hero, I'm guessing it's Jennifer Simmons.
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 July, 2020, 11:31:50 AM
Re Al, yeah I kinda get that, but you have Harry Exton and Ray & Finny has Heroes and I'm guessing they have killed way more people than Al.
As to the other characters who could have been classed as hero, I'm guessing it's Jennifer Simmons.
Yep I completely admit its a fudge, but its my fudge and I'm sticking to it!
Not Jenny...
Ethan?
It's Shako isn't it? At worst he was acting on instinct.
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 July, 2020, 11:36:43 AM
It's Shako isn't it? At worst he was acting on instinct.
Oh actually yes I'd forgotten he's switched as well, so while you are right there's another...
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 July, 2020, 11:36:43 AM
It's Shako isn't it? At worst he was acting on instinct.
Oh actually yes I'd forgotten he's switched as well, so while you are right there's another...
Stickleback? But only if you based that on him having been Sherlock Holmes under cover all along.
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 July, 2020, 11:43:31 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 July, 2020, 11:36:43 AM
It's Shako isn't it? At worst he was acting on instinct.
Oh actually yes I'd forgotten he's switched as well, so while you are right there's another...
Stickleback? But only if you based that on him having been Sherlock Holmes under cover all along.
Nope - shall I say to put you out of your misery?
Go on then.
Lulu Romanov. She's one of my favs and given she joined Dante in the Rebellion at the end defo sided with the 'goodies'.
I even had an entire Dante section in the Heroes division but realised I was letting my personal biases get a little carried away so pulled it back.
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2020, 11:49:07 AM
Lulu Romanov. She's one of my favs and given she joined Dante in the Rebellion at the end defo sided with the 'goodies'.
Lulu's a bit like Thrax - she's a completely amoral murderer - except she actively does go against Dante at points, even though she sides with him at the end. But Thrax has nicer eyelashes.
Robots: Volkhan, Call-Me-Kenneth
Rogue judges: Barry Kurten, Smiley
Mythical: Crom-Cruach, Medb/Megrim, Balor, Moloch, Guledig
Misc: Doctor Culver
Crime lords: The Ape Gang
Magic PSI types: Sabbat
Quote from: abelardsnazz on 12 July, 2020, 12:16:45 PM
Rogue judges: Barry Kurten
That's a good choice, I concur.
Wish these chuffin' Spambots would read the guidance before voting. How am I meant to figure out which category 'Kinogo' in to???
Ding Dong Dooley was a ferry man who rang a bell in a couple of episodes of 'Mean Team'. I don't think he has the character, charisma or influence to merit a place,but he has a funny name.
What about the German antagonist from 'Skizz'? he was a right see you next Tuesday.
Quote from: Buttonman on 12 July, 2020, 12:44:50 PM
Ding Dong Dooley was a ferry man who rang a bell in a couple of episodes of 'Mean Team'. I don't think he has the character, charisma or influence to merit a place,but he has a funny name.
What about the German antagonist from 'Skizz'? he was a right see you next Tuesday.
Good knowledge.
That's Van Owen and he's in Military / Government - I had to work him in hence the convoluted name and eventually poor old Tiger Commander being shoved where he is. I think Van Owen is South African - see Spitting Image songs.
That's the fellow - I remember reading him with Joss Ackland's voice from 'Lethal Weapon 2'.
Villains as heroes as villains - blackblood, Mek-quake, stickleback, lulu Romanov, ichabod azrael, Lux Roth chops, Toby, mungo gallowgrass,
Out of Nikolai Dante (under the category World Leaders (Tyrants and Despots)):
1. Dmitri Romanov
2. Valentine Romanov
3. Tsar Vladimir the Conqueror
Where to place Chief Judges in the heroes & villains? There's obvious villains like Cal and Sinfield, and I've nominated Griffin under heroes, as has been McGruder. Volt and Francisco both presided over major disasters, but they weren't intrinsically their fault, so should they both be considered heroes? And is Silver a villain considering his giving free reign to Dredd on the Democracy march, and ill-fated decision on Kraken?
I will say Silver for Villain status or maybe its should have been something like Heroes/Villains and Losers. I know where I will place Silver.
The Great Beast of Silversun
and The Wendigore
Beasts, both.
The Soft Hive in 'Touched by the hand of Brendan'.
3) If you nominate a character and allocate them a group I'll give that vote a bonus point, so it'll get two points. This will not mean that character fits into that group in the end but it'll help me.
3a) You can only nominate one character per group - well you can only get a bonus point for one - so if you provide a list of say 'Judges' mention which you'd like to get the bonus point, i.e. your favouraite in that group. I'll use the first mentioned if you don't clarify. All other nominations will get 1 point as default.
3b) You can of course be creative as to which character belongs in which group. As you can see from what I've done its fluid.
Edited after I actually read the thread title properly
Mythical
ChrisThulu - Indigo Prime
Cheers
OK, so if I've understood correctly, the point of the thread here is for us to nominate characters we think deserve a spot in the Tourney, to potentially replace the list Colin has curated? And maybe to second a few of those nominations? To be honest it's a great list, would happily vote on it as is.
BUT...
here's a short list of suggested alterations:
Beasts and animals – maybe rename as 'Unstoppable Killing Machines' and insert 'the Herod'
Robots - I nominate Capt Bug Stomper (maybe instead of Toby?)
Demons and Undead - I vote to replace Kostabi with La Voisin (Queen of the Zombies from Defoe)
Magic PSi types - I vote to replace Sagan with Vernon D'Arque (From Anderson R*Evolution)
-and I second Napalm Kev to put Christhulu into Mythical!
And now for an unhelpful list of three all-new cateogries with all-new characters...
(which you no doubt can't make room for without messing up the tourney itself)
Grotesque nightmares
Gargarax
The Guledig
Moloch
Evil white men in suits
Durant (from Thirteen)
The Voice (from Button Man)
Sharpe from MACH 1 (or possibly Jake Falmuth from Shako)
Mirror Images
The Destroyer (From Return to Armageddon)
Cinnabar Brenneka (from Shakara)
Obmoz (this one you can work out by yourselves)
Quote from: AlexF on 13 July, 2020, 12:30:39 PM
Mirror Images
The Destroyer (From Return to Armageddon)
Cinnabar Brenneka (from Shakara)
Obmoz (this one you can work out by yourselves)
Arh I
LOVE this one, add Zombie Dredd (or Rico - discuss!) and we laughing... now which group to drop...
I'll give these a nudge to see if there's anymore ahead of the weekend when I'll wrap this up and get the tournament started.
All done NOMINATIONS closed
I've managed to get a good spread of anyone who got 2 points BUT has meant I've got some groups of 5 in the first round but that's cool.