Well, the 25th anniversary (:o) of the strip seems as good a time as any to post an update to my SinDex index (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ttbrntfn68rgdi/SinisterDexter.pdf?dl=0), which for some reason I keep updating even though it's all easily available on Barney (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=SINISTER). At least if the internet suddenly stops I'll still know which progs SinDex are in, and you will too if you download it!
It's quite a chunk of thrill-power, so if you're wanting a quick re-read to get up to speed, but not sure where to start (other than at the start), here's how I reckon it breaks down:
The Set-up
Winter Special 1995, Prog 981 - 1126, Sci-Fi Special 1996
These are mostly shorter tales setting up the world and supporting characters, back when SinDex had a permanent place in the prog. As the series establishes itself there are a few longer form tales, notably Gunshark Vacaction, Murder 101, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Mother Lode And The Red Admiral.
Eurocrash
Prog 1126 - 1199, 'Annual Prog' 2000
The first epic tale, bringing together characters and threads established so far. Also runs in the companion series 'Download Tales', which I guess serves as an epilogue to the epic (epiclogue?). Mission to Mangapore broadens the world seen so far in the series and picks up a few loose ends from Eurocrash.
Planting Seeds
Prog 1200 - 1468, 'Annual Prog' 2001 - 2006
In a way a return to the original form of the series, with lots of short tales by a variety of artists, some of which plant seeds for what is to come. I probably need a re-read of this period myself, but recall the final stories that focus on Kal Cutter being particularly thrill-powered as they build to their conclusion and bring us into the next arc...
War of the Moses
Prog 1500 - 1961, 'Annual Prog' 2007 - 2014
Possibly a bit spoilery to say, but hard to avoid in a reading guide, this period starts off in another companion series, this time 'Malone'. This arc focuses on the alternate universe, something that continues to impact the series today, but by now the series was suffering from less frequent appearances in the prog which I think lost it a few friends. I found on re-reading it cracked along at a fair pace, in contrast to my expectations.
The Modern Era
Sci-Fi Special 2016, Prog 2000 - 2200
Er, not sure what this arc should be called yet... but if you want to quickly (-ish) get up to speed this is the period to re-read, and where all the elements that are now coming to a head are put in place (although it does feature characters first seen back in the original 'set-up' arc).
Collection-wise... coverage is a bit disappointing really. The Rebellion GNs run to 5 volumes, and combined with the earlier Megazine floppies, cover most (not all!) stories up to prog 1250. The 2000AD Ultimate Collection runs to 3 volumes and also covers this period albeit fewer stories. The 7-issue IDW series also covers this period, but focuses on the Andy Clarke illustrated stories (think there is a trade paperback too).
Beyond that, later Megazine floppies started to cover the War of the Moses, including relevant set-up stories from the previous arc, up to prog 1565.
Otherwise you'll need to dig out the progs (and risk getting delightfully side-tracked by everything else...)
Happy reading..!
Great thank you for sharing :thumbsup:
Great summary and if I ever need to I will pull down that spreadsheet (I assume).
I've been tempted to pull out my write up of Sinister Dexter from 8 or 9 years ago now and dust them off and update them for the 25th. They were posted on ECBT 2000ad Blog but I stopped playing there shortly afterwards and don't think they are available there anymore (think they've had to clear down a lot of the older stuff?). I do have my old Google Docs though so would be good to pull them out, reflect on them and post them here and get things up to date. Its interesting that I'd have so much to add.
End of Moses War (reached this in my Prog Slog and still really rate it) and the new stuff, there's much to reflect on.
You know, it strikes me this could be another Red Seas, in that Rebellion could chuck the entire run out as chunky digital volumes. That supposes there's a market for this, of course, and that there's enough digital archive material to work with. (If there is, it would be a relatively simple job to execute, albeit one nonetheless beyond zero effort.
Yeah that would be a good option. To be fair to Rebellion they have tried things with Sinister Dexter. I thought the IDW series could have worked but alas no and that was surely the last roll of the dice of getting a nice complete Sinister Dexter collection. One day, one day...
If there is a new reprint of Sinister Dexter, then it needs to include Downlode Tales and Malone. The original series of reprints left out Downlode Tales, which was an integral part of the story, so it skipped from Eurocrash (when Sinister and Dexter fell out with each other) and jumped straight to Exit Wounds when they're friends again.
Sin/Dex has always been a strange series for me. I always find it readable (for me personally not as good as Abnett's other work and my least favourite of his stuff). Here is my dilemma for long periods it just lingers along on the same wavelength and then suddenly it springs a huge and interesting surprise (like the last panel of the prog 2199 episode). I mostly find the short-format stories frustrating. Just as I want to give up on it, it jumps to the next level and then back to lingering again.
I'm in two minds on the current short-format appearances... It often feels like it never quite gets going properly, but then I do like the slow build-up of the story elements and seeing how seemingly unrelated stories all gradually link together. I guess the shorter runs also help allow for a number of appearances over a year and on balance I'd rather that than have a book-length series only for it to then disappear for 2 or 3 years.
That is interesting problem, go for the short format or do a series at a time and then only have it every 2-3 years. Currently we have about 20 plus series running, compared to the "golden age" we only had 6 series rimming. Scheduling these things is not the easiest of jobs. I am not sure how long the current arc of Sin/Dex will run and how it is scheduled. Let us see but accordingly to the reviews the current arc has some interesting, twists and turns.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 September, 2020, 05:09:17 PM
You know, it strikes me this could be another Red Seas, in that Rebellion could chuck the entire run out as chunky digital volumes. That supposes there's a market for this, of course
Well I'd certainly buy that. I was a bit disappointed that the extension to the Ultimate Collection didn't add any more volumes. Having only started buying the Prog at 2100 it feels like I'm missing a huge chunk of story between the end of the 3rd Ultimate Volume and the current episodes.
This is great stuff, many thanks for taking the time to do this, as I've been thinking of trying to catch up with SinDex but wanted to focus on the main arcs rather than the initial standalone stories.
Off topic, but reading this and the recent Meg encyclopaedia, the double naming of progs 2000-2016 is a real pain in the arse when it comes to things like this, and Barney of course. Can we come up with an easier way for the whole forum to agree on? I would humbly suggest the Xmas specials be prefixed for a Y (for "year"). So prog Y2013 would be the Xmas special that came out at the end of 2012 and prog 2013 would be the regular prog that came out in 2017.
Using Y is fine, X will also do. But I always it strange how these numbering systems started and then it was changed because it caused a clash
Collecting Sin Dex is clearly a gamble for Rebellion. They're popular characters so merit collecting, but everything they've tried so far hasn't really worked. I guess they were cherry-picking what they thought were the best stories (or perhaps, for the early days, the least-worst artists), and never got quite enough sales to keep on going. Then they ballsed up the Eurocrash volume by missing out Downlode Tales. That set of Meg floppies collecting everything from, roughly Progs 1450-1550 is cracking comics, though!
So while completists like me would jump at the chance to buy (digitally or physically) a collection doing everything it's likely that not enough people would take the plunge. Perhaps something for them to try if/when they finish their mammoth 'Complete Future Shocks' collections...
I don't know how Abnett was thinking about it at the start (if at all), but there's more episode-to-episode continuity than first appears in SinDex, even in the very early years. But it's a bit like Dredd but less famous - a first collection would be not great, getting slowly better until about volume 4 being the really good stuff. How many people are going to invest in that kind of long game, though?
Oh, and big thanks to JRDD for maintaining this spreadsheet! Super helpful.
I still think that a Complete Collection can work. I still find it strange that a popular strip did not get more collections
For sure, would be nice to have. I have those older DC trade paperbacks of the first three collections, which omit a few progs here and there. Cool write-up by the way.
Since it caught my eye in the first post, is the story from Sci-Fi Special 1996 anything of note? Is it a classic, or something that is ok to omit? I ask just because odds are I'll never read it, but now I'm curious. :D
A perfect excuse to open my lead-lined thrill-power containment cupboard and sit in the sun 'researching' the answer...
The 1996 Sci-Fi Special story is very much in the style of the early stories, a stand-alone, which I don't think has any significance to later stories. Sinister goes to St. Joe's Cathedral to confess his sins, but they are of such magnitude the Roman Church TM Extreme Unction division are called in to deal with him. You can probably guess how that works out...
Co-creator David Millgate provides colours to Tom Carney's art.
Mmmm, the Meg floppies covered a great run - I have them in a little temporary binding, ditto Lobster Random/Vort. Collections that are as good as anything Tharg has gifted with a spine.
[spoiler]He dies in the end [/spoiler] :-\ :-X :o
Quote from: jrdd on 20 September, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
The Modern Era
Sci-Fi Special 2016, Prog 2000 - 2200
Er, not sure what this arc should be called yet... but if you want to quickly (-ish) get up to speed this is the period to re-read, and where all the elements that are now coming to a head are put in place (although it does feature characters first seen back in the original 'set-up' arc).
I'm rezzing this thread, as I've decided to try to get to grips with what's currently going on Sinister Dexter (as of 2021), and as suggested here, decided to start at prog 2000 (the real one, that came out in 2016, not the 1999 one). And it's been very worthwhile, so thanks JRDD - a good recommendation. I've just read all the stories in the 20xx prog range, and even that portion had filled in many blanks.
There's a general low-regard of the current SD run in the weekly prog reviews, but I have to say so far, I'm enjoying reading these stories in one go. I think the real problem, to which many have already alluded, is the dribs-and-dabs approach to how the strip is currently serialised in the prog.
BTW, if anyone else fancies doing this, I think Funt's excellent 2000 AD In Stages site currently has the most up-to-date prog listing for Sinister Dexter: https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/SinisterDexter/2021.html#baseMenu (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/SinisterDexter/2021.html#baseMenu)
My next site update will include a link back to the top of this thread - a reading guide is a great resource. I wonder if anyone has done similarly for Nikolai Dante?
Well I'm going to miss the 25th but I'd really like to find a new home for my Sinister Dexter right up when I did a re-read about 10 years ago now(gulp).
Quote from: MumboJimbo on 11 August, 2021, 05:41:12 PM
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There's a general low-regard of the current SD run in the weekly prog reviews, but I have to say so far, I'm enjoying reading these stories in one go. I think the real problem, to which many have already alluded, is the dribs-and-dabs approach to how the strip is currently serialised in the prog.
I loved the set up to Bulletopia the stories running up to the 'epic' were fantastic and Steve Yeowell's art really elevated for them. The actual main event was built up and alas, even for me the biggest of S&D boosters, has had any momentum killed and its all fallen apart a little.
I must admit I'm tempted by this: I'm firmly in the 'SinDex has run it's course' camp but it'd be interesting to see if it has, when it ran out of steam and if (as I think it definitely has) the scheduling of the current long tale has really exacerbated that. Tbh I'd love to have my mind changed on the current run.
I might need to go back pre-2016 though!
I've now finished my SinDex read through from prog 2000 to the current prog (2244), and I have to say I've loved it. The way it's built up gradually to the current crisis of Download being controlled by an AI is very well done, with many seeds being planted early on (e.g. Downloads seeming gentrification, which kinda leads to Sinister getting his notorious tattoo) and I very much like to way it goes from them doing a protection job for the Lilith AGI and something much bigger and more sinister (no pun intended), and then the boys quickly losing control of the situation. If this had been serialised in a continuous block starting with the Delores 4 Ever episode (back in prog 2145), I think this would be lauded as a classic! I even think Abnett gets away with the killing off of Sinister, as the very next episode Dexter and Hosanna talk openly that the AGI could well resurrect Sinister to go after them, so when Finnegan is finally rezzed as a robot (or whatever) it's not quite the con these "false deaths" are normally. And anyway, he's a robot now, and I guess forever, so that will certainly change things going forward. I imagine they'll get to Mangapore, and a Lillith 2 will reprogramme Sinister to make him benign* again, but he'll remain a cyborg.
I have two criticisms though. Download has lost of a lot its seedy glamour, its flamboyance - and with that a lot of atmosphere the original strip had has been lost too. Of course, this is in keeping with narrative arc of Download being taken over by an AGI and subtly repurposed, becoming rather bland and sterile. Yeowell's spartan art definitely conveys the change effectively, but it's a far cry from giving us the feels SinDex did originally, and that contributes I think to the feeling that the strip is past its prime. I very much hope that when this arc is over, that Download gets back to something like its previous sleaze, and when it does it may be best to radically alter the current art style accordingly. Download needs its mojo back. SinDex is one of those series very closely tied to its location, and it currently feels like when Rogue Trooper left Nu Earth for Horst, and then the bland environs of wherever the "Hit" stories were based.
My other criticism is the reveal that the AGI was in fact, the Sat Nav. This was lame in itself, and there's been no foreshadowing of it (at least since prog 2000).
But overall, I'm really enjoying this arc, and there's still a lot of interesting stuff to play out, like why only Billi Octavo can remember Sin and Dex. It does though, at some stage need to reconnect with what made the series originally appealing once this arc is over, in my opinion. And of course, enjoy an extended run out in the prog.
*Benign, as much as a cold hearted gun shark can be.
Cheers MumboJimbo, glad it helped with the re-read. I had similar thoughts when re-reading the previous 'dimension-jumping' arc, it all fits together much better than you expect from reading it in dribs and drabs over however many years.
Have to say I never made the connection between the art style and the changes to Download, but now you point it out it makes sense, will be interesting to keep an eye on where things go. Download certainly felt like a key character in the early days, very much as MC-1 is to Dredd.
One thing occurred to me about the less frequent appearances we have now, perhaps that's Dan's choice? (Well, as much as Tharg lets droids have a choice in these things). SinDex has covered a lot of ground over its 25 years, and all from one writer. Maybe this is a way to keep it going but without burning through material, and at the same time frees Mr Abnett's creative energy for all his other projects.
Funt - I do have a list of Nikolai Dante stories (in the same form as the SinDex pdf posted at the start of this thread), but no reading guide. Will have a dig around and post it at the weekend if no-one else has anything.
Ah - thanks - I have the Dante content listed (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/NikolaiDante/data.html) but no reading guide. It's been such a long time that I'd find it difficult to piece together arcs without a re-read.