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Title: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 29 June, 2022, 04:26:10 AM
So far, each issue of the regen prog we had a Cadet Dredd story. My personal feeling is that it has been a mix bag of stories. Do the regen need a Dredd to anchor the regen prog as well? Do the regen prog still need such a story?

Now my question is what should happen with the Cadet Dredd strip in the regen prog?
-   What a silly question we need our weekly Dredd fix even if is in a small package
-   Just drop the whole Cadet Dredd idea from the regen prog
-   Replace Cadet Dredd with a new character that will become the feature character of the regen issues
-   Maybe keep Cadet Dredd but not in each regen issue
-   Why not try Judge Dredd but just change the tone slightly?
-   Regen, regen never heard of this before

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Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 June, 2022, 06:22:02 AM
Ohhh tricky question as I love some of the Cadet Dredd thrills, and think it works best when he's a counterpoint to Rico... but that's as a 50 year old man. Maybe the way to deal with the character, whose a stickler in a comic of rebellion is to go for a more mad cap action approach. So more Jamie Smart (if only it could be Jamie Smart!). So I guess I go.

Why not keep CADET Dredd but just change the tone slightly?
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 29 June, 2022, 06:54:37 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 29 June, 2022, 06:22:02 AM
Why not keep CADET Dredd but just change the tone slightly?

Good option added as a choice
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Aaron A Aardvark on 29 June, 2022, 09:22:07 AM
Realistically, Dredd has to appear in 2000AD in some form.

In grown-up Dredd the man himself often takes the back seat, sometimes reduced to a few panels. Maybe the other cadets could get more page-time?

Keep CADET Dredd but just change the tone slightly

Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: AlexF on 29 June, 2022, 10:04:10 AM
Yup, happy to keep Dredd but I think not only change the tone but also stick to him being a younger cadet - like under 11. And frankly, more in-Academy stories with classroom shenhaigans, and less mucking about with criminal sin the outside world. It's a side of Dreddworld we rarely ever see, and I think leaning into the brainwashing techniques that must go on could be super interesting.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Proudhuff on 29 June, 2022, 01:18:12 PM
-   What a silly question we need our weekly Dredd fix even if is in a small package
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Funt Solo on 29 June, 2022, 03:25:58 PM
I could easily live without Cadet Dredd, but then I could easily live without the Regened issues. I put up with them because I realize that without new readers, 2000 AD itself could die.

Cadet Dredd engenders the same feelings in me as did Scrappy Doo, Uni the Unicorn, the smaller, higher-pitched blob-thing in that cartoon about a blob thing, that fucking cat in the show where they said Tra-a-a-a-n-s-MUTE! (which could have an entirely different meaning now) and basically all characters where the management have decided that in order to appeal to a younger audience what you need to do is make everything younger, higher-pitched, generally whinier, squeakier, more polite and with softer edges and "awwwww!" and patronizing and utterly, utterly shit.[/rant]
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: AlexF on 29 June, 2022, 03:42:01 PM
Quotewhat you need to do is make everything younger, higher-pitched, generally whinier, squeakier, more polite and with softer edges

So what you mean is, Cadet Dredd needs to fight Cadet Roffman?
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Funt Solo on 29 June, 2022, 04:16:47 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 29 June, 2022, 03:42:01 PM
Quotewhat you need to do is make everything younger, higher-pitched, generally whinier, squeakier, more polite and with softer edges

So what you mean is, Cadet Dredd needs to fight Cadet Roffman?

I'd buy that for a dollar.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 29 June, 2022, 05:06:46 PM
colin, agreed, jamie smart on cadet dredd would be sensational. action, storytelling, fighting, fart jokes, and plenty of pathos too. i think he should bring a young uncle ump into play, too.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Huey2 on 29 June, 2022, 07:25:32 PM
Proper Dredd
Gotta agree with Funt - as a kid, I always found those characters put in to cater for my age to be really patronising. Who wants to see an episode following Wesley Crusher when you can watch an episode following Picard? I get the argument that kids prefer to follow protagonists their own age but Dredd himself wasn't conceived as a kid and the set-up seems weakened twisting it to fit Cadet Dredd.

or... if it's really gotta' be Cadet Dredd than have a strip where him being a kid is essential to the tale being told. But - sorry Colin - I'd rather we kept Rico out of it. The OTT Rico of Cadet Dredd seems IMO very different to the one Wagner was trying to retcon back in 2000. I'd also feel short-changed if I was a new reader to see this constant foreshadowing for something that was never going to be paid off (or has already been 30 plus years before I was born).
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: AlexF on 30 June, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
having now read the latest Regened they might as well give up on Cadet Dredd and just have a recurring story set in the Alien Zoo, with Judges only an occasional presence.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Proudhuff on 30 June, 2022, 12:27:50 PM
 Or just an Alien Zoo soap opera rather than Hogwart's High?
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 30 June, 2022, 12:31:43 PM
It needs Dredd, but Dredd needs to be more like the Dredd we know. I can't see this gelded version appealing to anyone, frankly, no matter how many years they have been on this planet.

SBT
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 30 June, 2022, 12:39:18 PM

Replace Cadet Dredd with a new character that will become the feature character of the regen issues. Cadet Dredd77 - another Dredd clone (Sue Evans? (S. Evans, nickname Sevens?)), from hatching to graduation, told (roughly) concomitantly with the contemporary Dreddverse.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Proudhuff on 30 June, 2022, 02:11:40 PM
nice
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Magnetica on 30 June, 2022, 07:26:31 PM
Actual Dredd, not the Cadet version.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:06:13 PM
Quote from: Huey2 on 29 June, 2022, 07:25:32 PM
Gotta agree with Funt - as a kid, I always found those characters put in to cater for my age to be really patronising.

Oh man, this.  If it was the 90s Dredd Kid would be slouching around with a rocket-powered skateboard (the Lawboard) under one arm, his pants hanging down and his helmet on backwards.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:10:36 PM
"LIKE THE DESERT NEEDS THE RAIN, I NEED YOU OR NOT?"

I just want to take a moment to acknowledge the heart of a poet that beats inside Broodblik.

Or, if not a poet, one of those guys that sets cryptic crossword clues.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:10:36 PM
"LIKE THE DESERT NEEDS THE RAIN, I NEED YOU OR NOT?"

I am a poet and I didn't even know it.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 29 June, 2022, 10:04:10 AM
more in-Academy stories with classroom shenhaigans, and less mucking about with criminal sin the outside world. It's a side of Dreddworld we rarely ever see, and I think leaning into the brainwashing techniques that must go on could be super interesting.

Academy Tales is a great idea.  I'd love to see that, though:
1. I think tales indoctrination etc would probably interest me more than it would the intended kid audience, and
2. Now I've called it Academy Tales, I can't help imagining the theme tune for it.
("Academy Tales! Woo-oo!
Every day they're out there making
Academy Tales! Woo-oo!"
)

On the question of artist, I'm kicking myself that it's only just sunk in that it's Roger Langridge on Pandora Perfect.  I'm sure I noticed originally, then forgot.  Langride has done some really good funny comics (e.g. his work on The Muppets).  If you want the Dredd comic to be really silly shenanigans then he could probably do a good job both on script and art.  As others have said here, however, I'd much rather Cadet Dredd was tonally closer to 'real' Dredd so they actually seemed to be the same character.

If you want funny comic hijinx then have it in another strip (like Pandora Perfect etc).  Even the likes of Buster, Whoopee, Cor! etc back in the day would have an action strip like The Leopard from Lime Street in them.  Ultimately therefore my answer is Keep Dredd as the edge-of-your-seat action strip and leave the 'hilarity' to some of the other strips.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 02:31:38 PM

I am a poet and I didn't even know it.

You rhyme all the time.  (3 across, 2,5)
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 02:31:38 PM

I am a poet and I didn't even know it.

You rhyme all the time.  (3 across, 2,5)

Mmmmmm, cryptic. Me like it but what about jokers to the left.......
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 02:37:21 PM

Mmmmmm, cryptic. Me like it but what about jokers to the left.......

Jokers to the left, threes are wild and Spades are trumps.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 02:37:21 PM

Mmmmmm, cryptic. Me like it but what about jokers to the left.......

Jokers to the left, threes are wild and Spades are trumps.

Sorry no spades allowed only shovels :)
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:59:17 PM
I can dig it.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 03:06:58 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:59:17 PM
I can dig it.

only shallow graves ?
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 03:24:33 PM
It's a dying business.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 03:35:10 PM
the fall of deadworld
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 04:26:29 PM
This way, guv'nor: Click! (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=48718.0)
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 04:26:29 PM
This way, guv'nor: Click! (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=48718.0)

I will not succumb to the dark side of the vote
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Funt Solo on 01 July, 2022, 05:08:31 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 01 July, 2022, 03:06:58 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 01 July, 2022, 02:59:17 PM
I can dig it.

only shallow graves ?

Reminds me of a joke in The Young Ones (https://youtu.be/_fb33PrnxtA).
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 03 July, 2022, 05:39:30 AM
You have until Wednesday to choose too Cadet or not
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: broodblik on 06 July, 2022, 03:45:23 AM
Voting Closed

So it was close between changing the tone of Cadet Dredd and proper Dredd in the regen. So sanity prevailed and the good people choose proper Dredd.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Like the desert needs the rain, I need you or not?
Post by: Rogue Judge on 07 July, 2022, 12:07:46 AM
I would like to see more of these younger Dredd stores collected together. I'd love to expose my younger nephews to Dredd.