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Title: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 16 September, 2022, 04:56:25 AM
Complete Dice Man (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Dice-Man-Pat-Mills/dp/1786189410) Paperback – 25th May 2023, 320 pages
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: sintec on 16 September, 2022, 08:12:12 AM
Very excited for this. Had been considering tracking down a set on ebay but I'd rather have a nice collected edition.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 September, 2022, 09:14:11 AM
Yeah it was getting close to the top of my must track down pile and so this will save me a good few coins I hope.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Barrington Boots on 16 September, 2022, 09:40:36 AM
This is.. <rolls 1d6> ..exciting news!
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 September, 2022, 09:50:43 AM
Instabuy!
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Barrington Boots on 16 September, 2022, 10:41:20 AM
The complete DiceMan is coming May 2023. What do you do?

If you'd like to excitedly purchase it because it rules, turn to X.
If you don't know what this is but you're kinda interested, turn to Y
If instead you'd prefer to bombastically claim Luke Rhinehart's Diceman is the only true Diceman, turn to Z.

I can only remember the Torquemada story in any real detail (don't kiss the pig!), very much looking forward to reading this again.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: broodblik on 16 September, 2022, 10:46:41 AM
Must get this !!!!
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Richard on 16 September, 2022, 12:16:00 PM
Diceman is brilliant!

Wonder why it's 320 pages though? By my count that's about 30 pages more than needed.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 16 September, 2022, 12:36:17 PM
The listing shows the writers and artists as Pat Mills, John Wagner, Bryan Talbot, Kevin O'Neill, David Lloyd.

I'm sure that's not a complete list.  Hunt Emerson drew at least one entry (about Ronald Reagan?).  I can only vaguely remember the imagery but I can remember his 'O's with dots in them...
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: nxylas on 16 September, 2022, 03:11:49 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 16 September, 2022, 12:36:17 PM
The listing shows the writers and artists as Pat Mills, John Wagner, Bryan Talbot, Kevin O'Neill, David Lloyd.

I'm sure that's not a complete list.  Hunt Emerson drew at least one entry (about Ronald Reagan?).  I can only vaguely remember the imagery but I can remember his 'O's with dots in them...
Yes, it later led to a book-length sort-of-sequel, You Are Maggie Thatcher.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Richard on 16 September, 2022, 04:09:53 PM
It's not a complete list but there might be a limit to how many names they can put there.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 September, 2022, 04:29:08 PM
Got some blether about Diceman (https://2kstages.github.io/stages/spinOffs/diceman.html) here. There are 287 pages of strip content in the Diceman comics. You *might* add that Judge Dredd one-off from Prog 2012 (aka 1763.5) - Choose Your Own Xmas. That would be another 12 pages. And You are Slaine: Tomb of Terror was 34 pages and has a thematic link. I'm not sure how well that plays out without the associated comic.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: nxylas on 16 September, 2022, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 16 September, 2022, 04:29:08 PM
Got some blether about Diceman (https://2kstages.github.io/stages/spinOffs/diceman.html) here. There are 287 pages of strip content in the Diceman comics. You *might* add that Judge Dredd one-off from Prog 2012 (aka 1763.5) - Choose Your Own Xmas. That would be another 12 pages. And You are Slaine: Tomb of Terror was 34 pages and has a thematic link. I'm not sure how well that plays out without the associated comic.
33 pages of front and back matter seems like a lot, but Tomb of Terror wouldn't fit. Maybe it's padded with reprinted covers and the like.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Richard on 16 September, 2022, 05:52:00 PM
There were only five issues so it would need more that that!
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Tjm86 on 16 September, 2022, 05:54:21 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 16 September, 2022, 10:41:20 AM
The complete DiceMan is coming May 2023. What do you do?


If you would like to petition Rebellion for a Webshop exclusive hardback edition ....
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Max Headroom on 16 September, 2022, 06:04:51 PM
Sounds good to me, Tjm86!
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 September, 2022, 06:38:19 PM
You could add 14 title pages (for the 14 adventures) & 5 covers. They had a letters page - 8 pages. The Editorials were 10 pages. Plus 6 teaser pages.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 17 September, 2022, 01:56:09 AM
For those playing at home, the hive-mind tally so far:

287 pages of content
+14 title pages
+  5 covers
+12 JD 2012 Christmas story (which would be a brilliant addition, and up the Dredd content)
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318
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The book's 320 pages.  That only leaves two pages for all the framework around it.

If the layout falls the right way, there is no need to intersperse the stories with those black pages they use to ensure the stories start on the correct page and any double page spreads or other cross-page shenanigans aren't back to back instead of side by side.

But even if that all fit together okay, then two pages wouldn't be enough.  One page for contents. One page for copyright and address blather.  But you still need a page with the writers and artists CVs, and they'll probably add an introduction explaining what Dice Man was and how it came about, etc.

It could fit if the covers were reproduced only as, say, small illustrations dotted around the intro, but I think it's more likely Christmas Dredd won't be included.  As fitting as it is, it wasn't part of Dice Man.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 17 September, 2022, 02:37:09 AM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 16 September, 2022, 05:54:21 PM
If you would like to petition Rebellion for a Webshop exclusive hardback edition ....

I do wonder if it may turn out to be a hardback anyway, given the price it's listed at.  It's almost double the price of the upcoming Case Files volumes, for only about 32 more pages.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 17 September, 2022, 08:41:52 AM
Instabuy for me too
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: sintec on 17 September, 2022, 09:18:55 AM
Has You are Slaine: Tomb of Terror ever been reprinted anywhere?
Or is it one of those bits where you need to track down the original progs?
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Max Headroom on 17 September, 2022, 12:47:13 PM
'Slaine: Tomb of Terror' was reprinted in book 3 of the Slaine Ultimate Collection editions. (Although I seem to remember from a long lost thread that the last page from the game-playing section was omitted).
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Richard on 17 September, 2022, 01:54:33 PM
I think the title pages may be included in the 287 page count, although I'm too lazy to check.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 17 September, 2022, 02:30:28 PM
I would have thought so, but it's Funt who says 287 pages, then comes back to say 14 title pages could be added.  Given it's the same person coming back to add details it seemed unlikely there was any confusion.  Also: it's Funt.

Quote from: Funt Solo on 16 September, 2022, 04:29:08 PM
Got some blether about Diceman (https://2kstages.github.io/stages/spinOffs/diceman.html) here. There are 287 pages of strip content in the Diceman comics.

Quote from: Funt Solo on 16 September, 2022, 06:38:19 PM
You could add 14 title pages (for the 14 adventures)
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: sintec on 17 September, 2022, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 17 September, 2022, 12:47:13 PM
'Slaine: Tomb of Terror' was reprinted in book 3 of the Slaine Ultimate Collection editions. (Although I seem to remember from a long lost thread that the last page from the game-playing section was omitted).

We got Tomb Of Terror. But I don't remember getting the You are Slaine game alongside it we just got the linear story.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Funt Solo on 17 September, 2022, 04:44:03 PM
Quote from: Richard on 17 September, 2022, 01:54:33 PM
I think the title pages may be included in the 287 page count, although I'm too lazy to check.

Yeah - sorry to be confusing. There *are* original title/splash pages and rules pages included in the 287pp.

For example, "You are Judge Dredd in House of Death" consists of a title page, a rules page and then 18pp of comic. My database counts that as a total page count of 20.

So, there's no real need for them to add in another set of newer title pages (14 for the fourteen adventures), but that doesn't stop them from doing so sometimes in things like the Meg floppies.

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On the subject of You are Slaine: Tomb of Terror - it *is* reprinted in Slaine: The King (ISBN: 978-1-78108-170-9), but it's at the back of the book, rather than alongside the comic (as it was in the original printing).
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Max Headroom on 17 September, 2022, 05:22:13 PM
Quote from: sintec on 17 September, 2022, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on 17 September, 2022, 12:47:13 PM
'Slaine: Tomb of Terror' was reprinted in book 3 of the Slaine Ultimate Collection editions. (Although I seem to remember from a long lost thread that the last page from the game-playing section was omitted).

We got Tomb Of Terror. But I don't remember getting the You are Slaine game alongside it we just got the linear story.

Yes, you are right - sorry for my mistake. I was thinking about Rebellion's 'Slaine: The King' as Funt Solo said. (I think I am correct about the last page being left out in this volume, though - much to some people's chagrin!)
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Art on 17 September, 2022, 06:58:55 PM
You guys really like Choose Your Own Adventure stuff in comics eh? Noted.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: 13school on 18 September, 2022, 11:17:07 AM
I never thought I was a choose-your-own-adventure fan, but Al Ewing's recent Deadpool effort for Marvel was a surprisingly fun read.

Dice Man is definitely a day-one purchase for mine - there's some amazing art in the various stories
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2022, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Art on 17 September, 2022, 06:58:55 PM
You guys really like Choose Your Own Adventure stuff in comics eh? Noted.
But do we?

If you think yes, turn to page 212 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ). If you think no, turn to page 126 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ).
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 19 September, 2022, 12:03:55 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2022, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Art on 17 September, 2022, 06:58:55 PM
You guys really like Choose Your Own Adventure stuff in comics eh? Noted.
But do we?

If you think yes, turn to page 212 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ). If you think no, turn to page 126 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ).

I clicked both and then choose the one I thought was best
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 21 September, 2022, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2022, 01:39:46 PM

If you think yes, turn to page 212 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ). If you think no, turn to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcZ2A8G_PrA]page 126[/url].

FTFY.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 25 September, 2022, 10:45:21 AM
[Post moved to correct thread]

Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 10 October, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/E3dkQhm.png)
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Barrington Boots on 18 May, 2023, 03:02:23 PM
This arrived today. In hardback it's an incredibly chunky volume, and brimming with brilliant art. My only (mild) gripe would be that the cover isn't the most striking image, especially when one of the Fabry images could have been reused.

The Tomb of Terror game is included, and there's a QR code to scan and get the comic.

Really impressed and excited to get into this.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Max Headroom on 18 May, 2023, 04:17:11 PM
Barrington - Is the final page from 'Tomb of Terror' included (which was omitted from its last reprint in a 'Slaine' tpb and without which you cannot complete the game)??
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Barrington Boots on 18 May, 2023, 04:39:29 PM
I'm not familiar with the original or the reprint so without playing it I'm not sure, but it looks like the last part of the game, skimming the text.
It's got 15 parts + a map, and the final page has an image of Ukko holding three straws, if that helps.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: hellscrape on 19 May, 2023, 04:59:19 PM
I have the Slaine trade "The King" that reprints the Tale of Terror game. It also seems to end with Ukko holding three straws, followed by a black page with white lettering. I hope the complete DiceMan has everything as it should! I was hoping for a complete collection of these games, I already have the Nemesis ones in HC and the Slaine Gaming book Titan put out ages ago.

I really want that Talbot Dredd game, and am averse to getting the Essential book, as I am not much a fan of double-dipping on stories unless they are my favoritest stories ever!
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Tomwe on 26 May, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
Got this book today - it's a smaller form factor like, say, Full Tilt Boogie rather than the Stront S&D books. But it feels good in your hand, not too heavy for the number of pages.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Max Headroom on 26 May, 2023, 04:19:48 PM
I have my copy and a very nice tome it is too. And I can confirm that the back cover of Prog 461 is included so that you can know which is the short straw and thus finish 'Slaine: Tomb of Terror'! Good stuff.
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Dash Decent on 26 May, 2023, 05:09:21 PM
Have the Dredd and Rogue Trooper CYOA stories been reprinted elsewhere already, in 'modern' times?  I have a feeling Dredd may have been in the Restricted Files, and perhaps Rogue was in the 4th volume of his Files phonebook?
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: hellscrape on 26 May, 2023, 08:30:21 PM
The Dredd Talbot CYOA was also printed in the Dredd/Death Essential Book, and in the Extreme Edition 1 (although that's about 20 years ago now!).
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Funt Solo on 27 May, 2023, 03:53:42 AM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 26 May, 2023, 05:09:21 PMRogue Trooper CYOA stories been reprinted elsewhere already

Tales of Nu-Earth 03 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN447/rogue-trooper-tales-of-nu-earth-03)
Title: Re: Complete Dice Man - coming May 2023
Post by: Max Headroom on 27 May, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
'House of Death' was also reprinted in JD Restricted Files volume 4.