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Title: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 January, 2023, 01:36:43 PM
First up, that cover. I've loved that image since I first saw it. If ever Tharg (or Harrison) fancy turning that into a print, I'll be first in line to buy one.

Overleaf, Dredd goes on a jaunt into outer space, seemingly setting up a scrap with a load of d-list foes. (Or relatives of d-list foes he's killed.) It's just the set-up so far, but a nice change of pace after Niemand's short series that punched everyone's heart out.

The Out moves things on nicely, with Cyd travelling again, but layers on additional intrigue. It feels like the bests of 2000 AD. And then you turn the page and end up with Joe Pineapples. The art is quite good, in a sort of 1990s Heavy Metal vibe kind of way. The scripting isn't the worst episode so far, but, well. (And after following one of the more modern strips featuring a female character, it's a bit depressing to have this one going WIMMIN, EH? BUNNY BOILERS! UNGRATEFUL BRATS THAT DON'T LIVE ME! Bleh. It feels like it's beamed in from the 1970s.)

The Order kicks off its final run. Unsurprisingly, horrible Armoured Gideon aside, Burns supplies lush painted art. And Kek-W wisely spends half the episode provided a potted history of what's been going on to date. Whether the strip will remain comprehensible is another matter. Proteus Vex then ramps things up in the ongoing conflict.

In all, while the Dredd isn't hitting the same highs and the other quality strips aren't providing key moments, it's another 4:1 issue for me. Good stuff. Here's hoping that continues.

The Out > The Order > Proteus Vex > Dredd >>>>>>>> Joe Pineapples
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: broodblik on 28 January, 2023, 03:26:46 PM
Cover by Mark Harrison:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FneHpM5XoAAe4zU?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://previewsworld.com/SiteImage/MainImage/STL250982.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Richard on 28 January, 2023, 05:59:19 PM
That is nice!
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: broodblik on 30 January, 2023, 11:38:04 AM
Cover and Logo:

(https://dyn.media.forbiddenplanet.com/k-Pe78paTmKAspPlwkijXvBhbsA=/trim/fit-in/779x1024/filters:format(webp)/https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/64/3b/a8d4b9c6da2d8b98ec01b0183000d78175c8.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 January, 2023, 09:09:56 PM
Well that's quite the cover isn't it, simply stunning.

Behind that there's a decent start a Dredd that continues to weave his ongoing tale, but feels like it will be a fun side quest rather than anything else at this point.

The Out, well takes is out... well actually it takes us back, for the first time as Cyd retraces her steps. She does like it and for a moment I didn't think I was going to... for a moment and I was wrong. Its superb and Mark Harrison's art steps up a notch, somehow.

Joe Pineapples... sigh

The Order its great that this is going to get an ending, really great, but I'll be sad when its done. Its a steady start.

Proteus Vex has a more steady episode, I mean its still excellent, but not quite last time.

So yeah good Prog. Not quite at the heights of last week as some stories settle in but still great stuff.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: The Monarch on 31 January, 2023, 07:01:01 PM
still think the invading force in the order is the dark matter from canon fodder....prove me wrong :lol:
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: broodblik on 01 February, 2023, 04:39:15 AM
Let's start by saying what an awesome cover and the stories continue to entertain (Joe unfortunately you are in the naughty box)

Dredd – Interesting start to another story arc the closes the multiple treats from the "The Hard Way".

The Out – Well interesting turn of events as the story focus alter its course as Cyd deviate from her original storyline as she tries to undercover the "truth" on how she bonded with the Tankinar. This weeks number one thrill.

Joe Pineapples – Somewhere under the layers of great art a story wants to be told I just cannot figure it out, yet.

The Order – A good start to the last arc. I will miss this series loved to overtop zaniest helter-skelter plot. Hopefully Anna gets a proper send-off.

Proteus Vex – The intrigue continues as another layer to the conflict is added with the Scorcher leader refusing to negotiate. Great story great art loving this.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Barrington Boots on 02 February, 2023, 01:47:15 PM
Agree with you guys that the cover is awesome this week.

Dredd is alright this week, mainly setup, and hopefully setting up for an amusing bout of stupid violence with daft aliens next issue. Nice to see Paul Marshall on Dredd again. What's up with Maitland being caucasian agin here?

The Out best episode of this for a while, story moves one, dialogue snappy, art perfect.

Joe Pineapples yeah this is not working for me at all, looks good though, Vampire bots especially, and a very Bisley-ish frame of virtual reality team bonding.

The Order starts off with what a lot of people have been asking for: a bit of a recap. I really like The Order and I love John Burns so sad to hear this is ending, but also I feel the strip needed to be at least moving towards an ending so that's a good thing. Also good to see the focus back on Anna Kohl.

Proteus Vex is absolutely terrific. Scorchers going to come a cropper here. That harness thing sounds appalling but also a bit like working in an Amazon warehouse.

Very enjoyable Prog. The Out and Vex killing it, Order and Dredd promise much, Pineapple is a turkey.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: norton canes on 02 February, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
New tooth, that's weird...

A big tonal shift for Dredd after last week and the double-whammy of a couple of Rob Williams' favourite tropes - large heads on small bodies and references in the third person. Not sure that 'furball' joke works unless we assume Sneetches is actually saying 'furball', which the inverted tags suggest they're not. Sorry, am I overanalysing it? First rule of comedy Spike, don't overanalyse it.

Feel like this, more plot-driven chapter of The Out has lost a little of its essential weirdness but it's still great; as is Proteus Vex, which conversely has become more coherent and entertaining now it's focussed on the Scorcher War narrative. Great to see the return of The Order, which has been one of my favourite thrills of recent years. Let's hope for a fitting send-off.

Whisper it, but Joe Pineapples was pretty good this week.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Proudhuff on 02 February, 2023, 04:58:15 PM
Read Dredd, then skipped my way through the rest, paid attention to Vex, but that was about it... ready low point for me Progwise, oh and the Megazine isn't even balancing it out like it used to, with a similar thing going on there. :(
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Magnetica on 02 February, 2023, 08:03:52 PM
A bit sad for me- this is my last physical Prog* before I go digital, but it is adorned with the best cover in years.

Dredd was good, but all I could thinks was "Skip Tracer art". Which I know is mightily unfair on Paul Marsh.

The Out was great and I agree the art seems to have gone up a notch. From superb to even more superb.

As forPinapples, I actually enjoyed it this week.

And that was the most understandable episode of The Order in years.

I've been doing a lof of reading of Nikolai Dante recently, catching up on Simon Fraser's podcast, and as a result have been exposed to a lot of John Burns art. And I am sorry to say, this week's on The Order is no where near his best. It seems a bit rushed and I prefer the fully painted stuff, as opposed to the painted over line work. (And I had never actually consciously noticed the difference until Simon Fraser mentioned it on the podcast).

I do love Proteus Vex, but am finding each episode needs to be read twice to understand it. It seems like they always start off a bit jarring and then explain what's going on.

* apart from the Regened ones which I have promised my son I will buy physical copies of.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: broodblik on 03 February, 2023, 12:06:17 PM
Alternative cover:

(https://2000ad.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/thumbnail_THE-OUT-bk3-Cover-2-785x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: broodblik on 03 February, 2023, 12:08:59 PM
Read this article related to the making of the cover as well:

2000 AD Covers Uncovered: 'Fighting the desire to add beyond what was necessary' – Mark Harrison takes us OUT once more for Prog 2317 (https://2000ad.com/news/2000-ad-covers-uncovered-fighting-the-desire-to-add-beyond-what-was-necessary-mark-harrison-takes-us-out-once-more-for-prog-2317/)
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Barrington Boots on 03 February, 2023, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 February, 2023, 08:03:52 PMI've been doing a lof of reading of Nikolai Dante recently, catching up on Simon Fraser's podcast, and as a result have been exposed to a lot of John Burns art. And I am sorry to say, this week's on The Order is no where near his best. It seems a bit rushed and I prefer the fully painted stuff, as opposed to the painted over line work. (And I had never actually consciously noticed the difference until Simon Fraser mentioned it on the podcast).

Can't disagree with this, but even John's lesser work is a delight to see in the Prog. That first page, with all the tentacles and Anna underwater, is brilliant.
The art is the Prog is consistently of a very high standard, but flicking through this issue I'm struck by how different and how top notch everything in this weeks issue is.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: JohnW on 03 February, 2023, 12:26:43 PM
I'm going to be unhelpful by preferring the alternative cover. Beautiful soft colouring.

Really interesting interview with Harrison, though.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: nxylas on 03 February, 2023, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 02 February, 2023, 03:07:33 PMWhisper it, but Joe Pineapples was pretty good this week.
Joe Pineapples is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 February, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
I dunno. For me this entire series has been like a box of chocolate-covered grit. What you don't know is how much grit will be inside. There have been moments of episodes that have risen above the dross, but they're rare. Most of it has reminded me of the worst times during 2000 AD's nadir.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: broodblik on 03 February, 2023, 03:39:16 PM
The other problem I have with Joe is that I cannot actually tell you what the story is about
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: nxylas on 03 February, 2023, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 03 February, 2023, 03:39:16 PMThe other problem I have with Joe is that I cannot actually tell you what the story is about
It's about 10 episodes.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Max Headroom on 03 February, 2023, 05:19:58 PM
I also thought that this episode of Joe Pineapples was a big improvement on previous ones. And the art is great.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Bad City Blue on 03 February, 2023, 10:30:35 PM
Joe Pineapples is pretty to look at, boring to read. Nice to see Bidley not phoning it in like he is wont to do sometimes. Sadly Pat seems to have lost the ability to tell a fun, interesting story.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 03 February, 2023, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Bad City Blue on 03 February, 2023, 10:30:35 PMNice to see Bidley not phoning it in like he is wont to do sometimes.

That would be because he's not drawing it, presumably...
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: JimmyNailz on 05 February, 2023, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 02 February, 2023, 03:07:33 PMNew tooth, that's weird...

A big tonal shift for Dredd after last week and the double-whammy of a couple of Rob Williams' favourite tropes - large heads on small bodies and references in the third person. Not sure that 'furball' joke works unless we assume Sneetches is actually saying 'furball', which the inverted tags suggest they're not. Sorry, am I overanalysing it? First rule of comedy Spike, don't overanalyse it.

I know what you mean about the furball joke. Personally, I have chosen to believe he's saying the word everytime he's coughing one up.
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: NapalmKev on 06 February, 2023, 10:17:34 AM
Quote from: JimmyNailz on 05 February, 2023, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 02 February, 2023, 03:07:33 PMNew tooth, that's weird...

A big tonal shift for Dredd after last week and the double-whammy of a couple of Rob Williams' favourite tropes - large heads on small bodies and references in the third person. Not sure that 'furball' joke works unless we assume Sneetches is actually saying 'furball', which the inverted tags suggest they're not. Sorry, am I overanalysing it? First rule of comedy Spike, don't overanalyse it.

I know what you mean about the furball joke. Personally, I have chosen to believe he's saying the word everytime he's coughing one up.

I thought the character was saying "furball" in place of the F-Word.

Cheers
Title: Re: Prog 2317: Escape Route
Post by: IndigoPrime on 07 February, 2023, 01:03:22 PM
Interesting to read the Covers Uncovered on this: https://2000ad.com/news/2000-ad-covers-uncovered-fighting-the-desire-to-add-beyond-what-was-necessary-mark-harrison-takes-us-out-once-more-for-prog-2317/

I think I prefer the cover 2000 AD didn't go with as an image, but the one that was chosen is more fitting for an actual cover.