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Dreadnoughts on the cover, but the mag leads with One-Eyed Jacks, which I'm still enjoying as it blazes along with its dual timelines. Niemand is clearly having lots of fun, not least with the Fargo twist.
Spector makes me feel a bit sad, because it's so... final. But it's also good to see Ezquerra's final 2000 AD work hasn't been abandoned. As ever, the art is fab, and I don't envy Dan Cornwell in having to take over. As for the story, it feels in some ways a bit of a throwback to a classic era of 2000 AD thrills, but it's solid and fun. The way the lead is trying to figure things out raised a smile several times.
Death Metal Planet continues to exist. It looks OK, but I'm dragging myself through it every month. Unlike Devlin, which had some fantastic moments, especially with Kafka. Although I'm also apparently too dim to fully clock what the last speech balloons are talking about.
It's been a long time since I've read Matt Smith's Anderson, but the opener is thoroughly enjoyable, and the Critchlow art is fab. It's a pity Tharg isn't able to clone himself and do a few more of these. Also from across the pond, Mega-City Two is over. Thank heavens. Some nice art, plenty of ideas, and a few good moments; but, my word, this needed an editor's hand (or pen).
UK reprint is effectively an advert for Jane Bond. It's a solid glimpse of the strip, if not really any kind of standalone.
Then we get Dreadnoughts. I kind of wish the Meg wouldn't add original strip at the back, after the reprints, but there you go. As for this opener, it's brutal. I just hope some of the possible foreshadowing here doesn't end up like I think it might. That could be a bit... obvious? Not least given that we have a female lead.
Anyway, a good Meg, on the whole. I'm sorry to see Devlin end, but Lawless replaces it next month, so that's something to look forward to.
Dreadnoughts > Waugh > One-Eyed Jacks = Spector = Anderson > Jane Bond >>>>>(!) Mega-City Two > Death Metal Planet
LAWLESS NEXT MONTH - YESSSSS!
Don't worry, I didn't get the end of Devlin either.
I'm delighted that they're seeing Spector through!
So Dan Cornwell will be taking over from part 3 onwards for Spector.
Yip Lawless is back next month.
This was a good meg except MC2 I completely skipped, just cannot read another page of that. Death Metal I believe it is time now to let the Dark Judges rest for awhile. The new Anderson strip from IDW is really good.
I've several years of Megs to catch up on (crikey, 2018 to now...) and yeah, the Dark Judge material is the stuff I'm finding most daunting.
Seems an awful lot for some dudes I always felt worked best in moderation....
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 18 April, 2023, 11:49:40 AMSeems an awful lot for some dudes I always felt worked best in moderation....
I have similar misgivings about the Dark Judges, but will say I think the new series, of series, has worked much better than I would have hoped.
Also you have a tonne of Lawless to catch up with so it doesn't matter what the rest is like, that strip is just SO good.
Now there's a dilemma. I haven't read the Meg for a while but really want to read Dreadnoughts. But the last Lawless I read was the musical one and I'd rather wait for the last series to be collected before starting the new one next month. Maybe I should just hang on for both to be collected...
I just do not have the patient to wait for something to get collected. I already have Lawless withdrawal syndrome waiting for the new series to start
A decent issue.
DREDD keeps rolling along, but the plot is not much fun.
DREADNOUGHTS is the best thing here, glad it's back.
ANDERSON has a decent start, and I look forward to more of it.
Very glad SPECTOR is finally being completed, and so far it's great.
DEVLIN WAUGH was a real poop fest this time, and I usually enjoy it, just boring.
Whilst I love Nick Percival's art, DARK JUDGES is a no from me, a real waste of his talents.
The DAVE GIBBONS interview was good, looking forward to seeing him at the LAWLESS convention next month. Still tickets left...
I like Dan Cornwell's art, but he seems an odd choice to replace Ezquerra, since his style is very different. I was amused by Jane Bond being on a mission to rescue John Simm. Shame that was the most entertaining thing about it. I'm not sure who the audience is for the collected edition, I assume there must be one.
Loved the Ezquerra and Chrichlow art.Wonderful stuff.One happy bunny here.
Quote from: nxylas on 20 April, 2023, 12:43:44 PMI like Dan Cornwell's art, but he seems an odd choice to replace Ezquerra, since his style is very different.
Maybe that's the point. You can't replace Ezquerra in like-for-like fashion, and so what's the point in trying? Best to instead draft in someone who Wagner clearly enjoys working with, and continue the strip as best everyone can.
(Note: I'm not saying any artists are interchangeable. But you do get certain artists who align more readily than others. It always surprised me that while we've seen countless people heavily inspired by Bolland and Bisley, no-one's really done an Ezquerra. Man, I miss those chunky outlines.)
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 20 April, 2023, 01:31:22 PMQuote from: nxylas on 20 April, 2023, 12:43:44 PMI like Dan Cornwell's art, but he seems an odd choice to replace Ezquerra, since his style is very different.
Maybe that's the point. You can't replace Ezquerra in like-for-like fashion, and so what's the point in trying? Best to instead draft in someone who Wagner clearly enjoys working with, and continue the strip as best everyone can.
(Note: I'm not saying any artists are interchangeable. But you do get certain artists who align more readily than others. It always surprised me that while we've seen countless people heavily inspired by Bolland and Bisley, no-one's really done an Ezquerra. Man, I miss those chunky outlines.)
Good point. Probably the closest would be Henry Flint. I can see traces of Ezquerra in there, along with the more obvious McMahon and O'Neill influences, though of course his style is all his own. Anyway, it's John Wagner's call to make, not mine.
Having worked with Carlos a bunch of times and with Dan once, I can see clear resemblances between them.
In fact, I've just written a story featuring a classic Ezquerra character that was very much written with Dan in mind.
I'm sorry, but have we seen the perp in Mega-City Two before during the story or not...?
Quote from: GordonR on 20 April, 2023, 03:37:01 PMHaving worked with Carlos a bunch of times and with Dan once, I can see clear resemblances between them.
Nonsense! Dan can only
dream of growing a moustache as luxuriant and expressive as Carlos'. :)
So that was an interesting Meg (also phew didn't think I'd get to read this before the weekend a change of plans means I can).
Dredd - I love Niemand, the art is great. The idea of a Dredd / One Eyed Jack is so obviously brilliant its one you are amazed its not been done before. The way the two have been 'joined' together in a case is smart and intriguing ... and yet... this is just kinda hangin' around doing its thing and not really grabbing for ... well reasons I can't pin down. It should be great... but its not read month to month. I strongly suspect, with all those ingrediants this one will be well served read as one rather in monthly parts, where the ... parts ... just don't gell in my head.
Spector its a nice thrill to have as a marker of one of the greats and I'm glad its here and looking forward to the transition to Dan - for all the sadness that will have - as a signifier of change and passing of a torch. Its effective so far but the robot learning its way in a human world feels a little done. Spector has some 'Neat' vocal tricks but suspect it will take a while to fully engage with them as a character. We'll see how this one develops.
Death Metal Planet is more fun that it has any right to be and first part of a Sheffield double hitter (as I'll learn later in the Meg). The developments for Rosco mean I hope this is as far as this series of series goes as it feels as if things have stretch as much as they naturally, or well unnaturally, should and anymore will defo be too much. Looking forward to how this one wraps up though.
if it does as well as Devlin Waugh we're in for a winner. What a fantastic conclusion as a great way t wrap this... though I'm glad others have said they don't get that bit right at the end though and its not just me being super thick! Great conclusion to a great series and lovely to learn that series artist Rob Richardson comes from the world's greatest city like me and Nick Percival!
Dreadnoughts a sharp, hard opener asking all the right questions. This one's going to be good isn't it.
The rest of the text stuff and the 'floppie' content is... okay.
I'd say, even with up and downs that's a good comic AND we get Lawless next time so it'll be a GREAT comic then!
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 April, 2023, 02:53:27 PMDreadnoughts [...] I just hope some of the possible foreshadowing here doesn't end up like I think it might. That could be a bit... obvious? Not least given that we have a female lead.
Agreed. I'm hoping there's something more subtle going on here.
One of my favourite things about
Dreddnoughts is the clever way the title works on three different levels:
- As in "Judges should literally fear nothing."
- Comparing the firepower & historical impact of the Judges to the big-gun-wielding battleships that share the same name/meaning.
- As in "Dredd Version Zero"
Quality work, Mr Carroll. Have been looking forward to this returning sooo much and it hasn't disappointed.
Damn you, lack-of-edit-button! Of course, that should have read Dreadnoughts.
4. Dredd doesn't appear - of Dredd there is nought.
I don't normally buy the Meg but I'm back next month for Lawless and picked up this issue because I wanted to read Spector.
It's my first one since the floppy was canned and with the reprint material included, it feels very dense. Coming into stories midway or at the end I didn't expect to understand everything but I found the quality very uneven. Dredd and Anderson both enjoyable, Death Metal Planet very unenjoyable and although I was prepared for it to be bad after reading everyone elses comments, I was still surprised by how truly dire Mega City Two was. I liked the Jane Bond, but I do like old comics like that.
Spector and Dreadnoughts superb.
Dan Cornwell is a great artist and, although the styles are not the same, as soon as I read he had completed Spector it struck me as being an ideal choice.
I can't explain why. I think it's as simple as I like his work in similar ways to how I like Carlos's.
Quote from: scrotnig on 22 April, 2023, 06:49:15 PMI think it's as simple as I like his work in similar ways to how I like Carlos's.
Leaving aside my (allegedly) humorous reply upthread, I think Gordon's right in as much as Dan has that all-important quality in a capital-G great comic artist that: 1) you can put more or less anything in a script and be confident that he'll deliver, and 2) in every single panel, you'll always know exactly what's going on, and who is doing what, and to whom.
Both those things sound simple and obvious, but they're qualities that are deceptively hard to achieve and a great many artists fail on at least one of those criteria... which was always the foundation (IMO) of Carlos' genius.
Any idea why the artwork on the back-page Zenith ad is different to the artwork for the same product on this week's prog? The Meg art looks unfamiliar; is it from a reprint cover?
Don't get me wrong, Dan Cornwell is a brilliant artist, I just find his style a lot "cleaner" than Carlos's. I'll be interested to see his take on Spector.
Just going to throw in my two creds on Spector- I love it. Wagner at his best: bit of Dredd, dash of Al's Baby and even a sprinkling of Bogie Man.
It's insanely exciting that we're getting Carlos art we haven't seen before, but heartbreaking that after next issue we never will again. Still, Dan Cornwell is always excellent.
The Ezquerra pages were in the 2019 Sci-Fi Special.
Quote from: Richard on 24 April, 2023, 01:57:05 AMThe Ezquerra pages were in the 2019 Sci-Fi Special.
My mistake! Next week's too?
I've noticed something weird about the digital Meg.
The Rob Richardson interview starting on page 56 looks like it was meant to have a double page spread on pages 56 & 57, and 58 & 59 judging by the art. But is the digital Meg the pages don't fall that way.
A quick look at a physical copy reveals the digital Meg is missing a page! An advert.
And indeed the digital Meg is only 131 pages not 132 - it should be an even number.
(And strangely since the Meg changed format to fully bound there seems to be a discrepancy in the page numbering for the articles - they are out by 2.)
Quote from: Magnetica on 24 April, 2023, 07:32:06 PMI've noticed something weird about the digital Meg.
I'm not sure if it's permanent now, but I have noticed that occasionally with the digital Meg it doesn't quite line up with the published version.
The following digital Megs are missing one or more pages: M415-S, 427, 427-S, 428-S.
-S indicates the floppy.
Quote from: Credo! on 24 April, 2023, 08:07:15 PMQuote from: Magnetica on 24 April, 2023, 07:32:06 PMI've noticed something weird about the digital Meg.
I'm not sure if it's permanent now, but I have noticed that occasionally with the digital Meg it doesn't quite line up with the published version.
The following digital Megs are missing one or more pages: M415-S, 427, 427-S, 428-S.
-S indicates the floppy.
It does happen and if I notice it I report it
Dredd Enjoyable. Good clever story writing. But hold on a minute... -Eartha Fargo is Eustace Fargo's grandmother ??? What? How does that work? She's black. I personally couldn't care less what ethnicity any character is, so long as it works and makes sense. Now we are saying Dredd is mixed race? After 47 years?
Dredd has been established as a white character, as have his parents. Dolman, the clone, his face was shown as white, tons of other examples. Yes, we can all now tie ourselves in pretzel knots to try to explain everything away here-by why go down this path? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
If James Bond's grandmother was introduced as Japanese or Black next week, we'd all be scratching our heads. There would be at least some physical indication. Or is any modicum of reality or common sense, just not, a thing, anymore....
Spector Loved it, very funny (reminded me of the dodgy lawyer droid, from Dredd). Great to see new Ezquerra work in print. Actually quite affecting to see it -he is sorely missed.
Dreddnoughts Long may this continue, great art, very well written -'Social Chemotherapy' -what a fantastic line. Kudos.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 28 April, 2023, 12:02:43 PMBut hold on a minute... -Eartha Fargo is Eustace Fargo's grandmother ??? What? How does that work? She's black.
The first thing that came to mind when this was mentioned was an anecdote from the early days of the strip, as Dredd was being established.
Of course his face was always partially obscured by his helmet. But within those confines, McMahon admitted to drawing him as black character, while Bolland drew him as white.
A Niemand meta-callback?
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 28 April, 2023, 12:02:43 PMDredd Enjoyable. Good clever story writing. But hold on a minute... -Eartha Fargo is Eustace Fargo's grandmother ??? What? How does that work? She's black. I personally couldn't care less what ethnicity any character is, so long as it works and makes sense. Now we are saying Dredd is mixed race? After 47 years?
Dredd has been established as a white character, as have his parents. Dolman, the clone, his face was shown as white, tons of other examples. Yes, we can all now tie ourselves in pretzel knots to try to explain everything away here-by why go down this path?
Calm down, there, son. Rather famously, Mick McMahon thought Dredd was supposed to black and drew him as if he was for about the first year of his time on the strip.
You can have people of color in your family tree and still look pretty damned white (Peter Davison's dad was of mixed heritage, for example) so what, exactly, bothers you about this...?
Mick McMahon is pretzel No. 1# -Dredd has long been established as a white character to the readership, regardless of what individual artists thought.
Pete Davidson pretzel No #2 (don't want to bring up individuals, but to respond to you - Quote {Pete Davidson Ethnicity
Pete Davidson's father, Scott Matthew Davidson was a-firefighter, athlete, teacher, coach, and bartender. He had Jewish ancestry, with some distant German, Irish, and Italian roots while his mother, Amy Waters Davidson is of mostly Irish ancestry, with some distant German roots.}
Throwing out logic and basic common sense bothers me (but I'll answer your less than subtle undertone -all racists are the **** of the earth -happy now?)
Am I still allowed to be annoyed by this? Do I have your permission?
Oh no, not touching that one, not on your life.
Quote from: A.Cow on 23 April, 2023, 02:00:51 AMAny idea why the artwork on the back-page Zenith ad is different to the artwork for the same product on this week's prog? The Meg art looks unfamiliar; is it from a reprint cover?
I do believe it's from the cover to Titan Books reprint run of Zenith; volume 2 specifically.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 28 April, 2023, 01:15:07 PMPete Davidson pretzel No #2 (don't want to bring up individuals, but to respond to you)
No... I said Peter
Davison, the former Dr Who, whose father, Claude, was of mixed heritage and was born in Guyana.
QuoteThrowing out logic and basic common sense bothers me (but I'll answer your less than subtle undertone -all racists are the **** of the earth -happy now?)
Am I still allowed to be annoyed by this? Do I have your permission?
I don't understand
why you're annoyed —
that was my "undertone"... and, indeed, my overtone.
This story contradicts literally zero elements of the canon — Dredd's racial heritage has never been asserted, beyond him appearing generally white (early McMahon notwithstanding), but that doesn't preclude people of colour in his family tree... hence the Peter Davison example.
Dredd's ancestry has never been explored (to my recollection) beyond Fargo being his clone father, so Fargo's own grandmother being black doesn't contradict any existing continuity, and there's no reason why Fargo couldn't also look pretty damn white.
Lots of pretty damn white people have people of colour in their family tree. It's a thing that happens. Dredd is no less "white" as a result of this revelation than he was last year, and would it really matter if he was?
Quote from: gogilesgo on 28 April, 2023, 12:21:45 PMOf course his face was always partially obscured by his helmet. But within those confines, McMahon admitted to drawing him as black character, while Bolland drew him as white.
A Niemand meta-callback?
Niemand would definitely know this. I believe Ezquerra also said that he designed Dredd as black or mixed-race, giving him thick lips in order to emphasise his heritage.
(http://ethnicelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Martin-Gore.jpg)
^ This bloke is pretty white. His dad was African-American. About the only way you'd possibly tell is from Martin Gore's hair.
So, yeah, this contradicts bugger all. I have an ongoing chip on my shoulder about the lack of diversity in Dredd in general (honestly, it sometimes comes across like something VERY bad happened in the city regarding race); but Fargo's grandmother being black? Whatever. Actually no: more like good. Plus it all might be a feint anyway, remember.
Quote from: nxylas on 28 April, 2023, 02:50:40 PMNiemand would definitely know this. I believe Ezquerra also said that he designed Dredd as black or mixed-race, giving him thick lips in order to emphasise his heritage.
Yep. Definitely remember him saying that in an interview ages ago. The possibility of Dredd being mixed race is definitely something that's been brought up in interviews with artists for decades.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 28 April, 2023, 05:39:03 PMQuote from: nxylas on 28 April, 2023, 02:50:40 PMNiemand would definitely know this. I believe Ezquerra also said that he designed Dredd as black or mixed-race, giving him thick lips in order to emphasise his heritage.
Yep. Definitely remember him saying that in an interview ages ago. The possibility of Dredd being mixed race is definitely something that's been brought up in interviews with artists for decades.
You'd think the "you can't change a character's race!" squad would be all over this ;)
Actually, there's what appears to be a direct quote from Ezquerra on the Judge Dredd Wikipedia page...
Quote from: WikipediaIn Carlos Ezquerra's original design, Dredd had large lips, "to put a mystery as to his racial background". Not all of the artists who worked on the strip were told of this. Mike McMahon drew Dredd as a black man, while Brian Bolland and Ron Smith drew him as white. The strip was not yet printed in colour, and this went unnoticed. The idea was dropped.
Here's a grandmother and granddaughter (yes, same bloodline):
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She could grow up to be a future cop. A later story could reveal the grandmother. An angry reader could get on their rickety soapbox and start ranting.
All for more diversity in Dredd, agree with Indigo -Omar as head of psi-division at the time I thought was a great move. But the fact this stands out, and for example Judge Giant, after well, decades, really says a lot. When did we last have a Asian character in Dredd that wasn't a baddie?
This move however, comes a cross purely as virtue-signalling for the sake of it.
Dredd was originally designed by the original artist to be racially ambiguous. If anything, this is further referencing the quite literal origin and roots of the character in exactly the same way that involving the character of One-Eyed Jack does.
If anyone's jumping on a bandwagon, it's not Mr. Niemand.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 28 April, 2023, 06:59:19 PMThis move however, comes a cross purely as virtue-signalling for the sake of it.
"Virtue signalling" now, is it? Your original 'argument' (such as it was) doesn't hold water, but rather than engaging with people (not just me) who seem bemused by your strength of feeling on this, you choose to throw around this horrid term from the culture wars. Would you like to go for the double and get "woke" in there, too?
A
fictional character has turned out to be
fractionally less white than you believed him to be up until a few weeks ago — if that bothers you enough to get into arguments about it on the internet then, honestly, you might want to ask yourself why.
So Dredd's possible great-grandmother, effectively a new character, turns out to be black. Which makes Fargo, in a future that's likely to be more, rather than less, multicultural, at least 1/4 black and Dredd 1/8 black. That... doesn't make the strip crumble for me, but whatever.
Reading the above, I quite like it as a nod to the original intent behind Dredd's design. Again, it'd be nice if there was more of this in Dredd, and especially in unnamed background characters. So we don't get sole female judge – always a Psi. Or token named black character, while everyone else is coloured white, in a future USA megacity.
Also, I'm enjoying the fact that's she's a kick-ass kind of character.
NiemandGPT probably just made a mistake.
Do people who are against virtue-signaling never say please or thankyou? Do they not hold doors open for people? Not say "bless you" when someone sneezes? Refuse to join in singing Happy Birthday? Openly tell people that the gift they just received has left them disappointed and bemused? Ignore a request to pass the salt?
Or is it only virtue-signaling when it involves something that goes against their ingrained ideas of racial purity? We should ask Ralph Fiennes - a very talented actor who says that we should have artistic freedom - even at the cost of offending people ... but not a black Bond. Because that idea offends him. Humans: very good at self-delusion and absolute masters of hypocrisy (from one sentence to the next).
Credo, I'm not sure what you think that photo proves...
Quote from: Richard on 29 April, 2023, 12:19:33 AMCredo, I'm not sure what you think that photo proves...
As you might imagine, my point is glaringly obvious to me. Can you be more specific about what you mean?
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 April, 2023, 08:02:58 PMSo Dredd's possible great-grandmother, effectively a new character, turns out to be black. Which makes Fargo [...] at least 1/4 black and Dredd 1/8 black.
Not quite right. Clones only have
one parent, so if Fargo's 1/4 African American, and Dredd's been cloned from Fargo's cells, that makes Dredd 1/4 African American.
In my opinion that's a good thing: Judges should be representative of
all the people.
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 29 April, 2023, 09:29:44 AMNot quite right. Clones only have one parent, so if Fargo's 1/4 African American, and Dredd's been cloned from Fargo's cells, that makes Dredd 1/4 African American.
Which makes an assumption about Eartha Fargo's lineage — just as some people of mixed heritage can look about as white as can be, just because Eartha looks black doesn't mean there aren't other ethnicities in her own gene pool... so all we can say with confidence is that Dredd is
at most 1/4 African American. :)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 29 April, 2023, 10:19:19 AMQuote from: Mike Carroll on 29 April, 2023, 09:29:44 AMNot quite right. Clones only have one parent, so if Fargo's 1/4 African American, and Dredd's been cloned from Fargo's cells, that makes Dredd 1/4 African American.
Which makes an assumption about Eartha Fargo's lineage — just as some people of mixed heritage can look about as white as can be, just because Eartha looks black doesn't mean there aren't other ethnicities in her own gene pool... so all we can say with confidence is that Dredd is at most 1/4 African American. :)
I assume nothing! I didn't mention Eartha at all. My observation breaks down like this:
if
a has attribute
xand
b is an exact copy of
athen
b must also have attribute
xAs Isaac Einstein himself would have put it: so there, Mr Smarty-pants!
Quote from: Credo! on 28 April, 2023, 10:31:47 PMNiemandGPT probably just made a mistake.
I mentioned the Ezquerra quote in a reply to one of his tweets this morning and he replied back:
QuoteYes, that's exactly why I chose to go down this road with this character. It was there from the very beginning of Dredd's inception. Carlos also tended to colour Dredd with a Mediterranean skin tone, so it was no great leap to think Dredd might have mixed race lineage.
Ack. Good points on my horribly flawed numbers. Regardless, the basic point stands, as do the photos and references people have posted. I mean, Martin Gore is about as white-presenting as you can imagine...
Quote from: nxylas on 29 April, 2023, 01:41:22 PMQuote from: Credo! on 28 April, 2023, 10:31:47 PMNiemandGPT probably just made a mistake.
I mentioned the Ezquerra quote in a reply to one of his tweets this morning and he replied back:
QuoteYes, that's exactly why I chose to go down this road with this character. It was there from the very beginning of Dredd's inception. Carlos also tended to colour Dredd with a Mediterranean skin tone, so it was no great leap to think Dredd might have mixed race lineage.
AIs can be very convincing these days.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/6/68/Charles_Dreyfus.png)
Quote from: Credo! on 29 April, 2023, 02:58:30 AMQuote from: Richard on 29 April, 2023, 12:19:33 AMCredo, I'm not sure what you think that photo proves...
As you might imagine, my point is glaringly obvious to me. Can you be more specific about what you mean?
The fact that a black person can have a white grandparent doesn't mean that a person with a black grandparent will necessarily look white.
(Although it may not matter now as Jim C has addressed this point since then.)
Quote from: Richard on 29 April, 2023, 04:48:26 PMQuote from: Credo! on 29 April, 2023, 02:58:30 AMQuote from: Richard on 29 April, 2023, 12:19:33 AMCredo, I'm not sure what you think that photo proves...
As you might imagine, my point is glaringly obvious to me. Can you be more specific about what you mean?
The fact that a black person can have a white grandparent doesn't mean that a person with a black grandparent will necessarily look white.
(Although it may not matter now as Jim C has addressed this point since then.)
When I posted the image, I'd noticed that many folk had made the point (not surprising, given the nature of the conversation) that a black ancestor could exist for a white person . I wanted to also point out that a white ancestor could exist for a black person.
It's easy to get fixated on particular ideas and I wanted to broaden the horizons a little.
---
It has occurred to me that The Sherman Kid might just be trolling, given his chosen username. In the Dredd story, he's a brat who threatens to set off nukes if he doesn't get his way.
Quote from: Tyranno-Mek on 29 April, 2023, 05:54:23 PMIt has occurred to me that The Sherman Kid might just be trolling, given his chosen username. In the Dredd story, he's a brat who threatens to set off nukes if he doesn't get his way.
Now
that was funny. :lol: made me laugh.
No not trolling. Virtue-signalling is not holding the door open or passing the salt -its doing something with no point to it, except to erhem virtue signal. That is annoying. I thought my opening post was pretty clear why I found it annoying. The same way the docu-series Cleopatra has made her black -
that is virtue signalling, and they had a lot of critics. Is it possible she was black, sure. But all evidence we have, and there is a lot, says no.
Fiennes is right it would be wrong to make James Bond black (unless he had assumed the name, like a title) as the character is established as white. Same goes for a character like Shaft, it would be laughable if he was made white.
As for the stupid, meaningless term 'woke', that's to disparage what is 99% of the time, simple common sense. A put down of inclusion and diversity.
Now.....where are my launch codes...
Modern Bond movies are set in whatever year they're made. So, in No Time to Die (2021), Bond is played by Daniel Craig, who would have been about 53 or so at the time. But, Bond was born around 1920, which would make him [checks notes] about 101 years old during the events of No Time to Die.
So, it's fine that a 53 year old play a fictional super-spy centenarian with magic gadgets - but it would stretch credulity beyond reason that he be played by a black person?
Why?
(Don't worry - it's rhetorical.)
Quote from: Tyranno-Mek on 18 May, 2023, 03:50:21 AMModern Bond movies are set in whatever year they're made. So, in No Time to Die (2021), Bond is played by Daniel Craig, who would have been about 53 or so at the time. But, Bond was born around 1920, which would make him [checks notes] about 101 years old during the events of No Time to Die.
So, it's fine that a 53 year old play a fictional super-spy centenarian with magic gadgets - but it would stretch credulity beyond reason that he be played by a black person?
Why?
(Don't worry - it's rhetorical.)
Somebody on another forum did point out that it would slow down the car chases, because a black man driving an Aston around London would get pulled over by the Met every 500m.