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In my local ASDA this morning, having a mooch in the video section; guess what? You can buy a box set of X-men (1), Daredevil and Judge Dredd!

Can anyone spot the filler?

Rotts (who has a soft spot for the film, despite Stallone and all the other things wrong with it.)

Might have to get that - in my mind Daredevil is a vastly underestimated film - the best comic book adaptation I've seen for a while.  Probably since Batman.

Have to say, I dont own any of those films, so I wouldn't mind either!

Rotts

Really? I thought Daredevil was really really average.

nice set,
a lets be honest, it was our hero there in essense even if he screwed it up. i have soft spot for it on the level of that.
my boy woudl enjoy that as well. he may be getting that in his stocking for XMAS.

Daredevil was so bad it made Dredd almost watchable. Almost but not quite. Can you belive that not only are they making Daredevil 2 but Elektra as well!!! X-men was one of the best comic films ever.

"Daredevil was so bad it made Dredd almost watchable"

Have to disagree there. I thought it was a damn good action/adventure job without being overtly 'comicy'. Not being a reader of US comics I knew nothing about Daredevil except for the blind lawyer bit, so I guess I came to the film without baggage, which might have helped.

Nigel

I've never read Daredevil but have seen him around in comics like Spider Man but what annoyed the hell out of me in the film was the way everyone suddenly for no reason had super powers.

Elektra, Kingpin, Bullseye they were flying round everywhere. Also the end was a total rip off of Batman Returns, where he realises Elektra is alive (big surprise).

Daredevil felt like a fairly good self-contained film, whereas to me, X-Men seemed to be a pilot episode for a incredibly expensive series.  Which it was.

Daredevil on DVD also has some great extras - the interviews with the writers and artists were superb.  There's the father/son dynasty of artists (fill me in, I'm too lazy to check), but the high(low)point was the artist who confesses that he put in so much work it had a pretty nasty effect on his family life.  Really quite sad, and not the kind of thing you expect from the usually celebratory DVD extras.

(a bit like the cast commentary on the special edition of Fellowship of the Ring.  Poor old Jonathan Rhys Davies/Gimli...  I won't spoil it, but his insights into working on these epics nearly brought me to tears.  Especially when contrasted with the jolly hobbits.  What am I saying, it did bring me to tears...)

Didn't mind Dare Devil, was it just me or was DD just more violent in the film than comic, scene where he kills the dude on the rail tracks just doesnt seem right I always thought DD was the Spiderman type hero who didn't kill...still cool movie
Xmen one of the best comic movies ever but agree with Contrary does seem like a pilot, just got number 2 the other day on dvd even better than number1
Judge Dredd, soft spot simply because its all we've got at the moment for big screen Dredd and I like the guns, Angel gang looks good too...

CU Krestel
ps Favorite comic book movie would have to be
   THE CROW, RIP Brandon Lee.

DD has the worst 'fight scene' ever in the park between DD and Electra.  The movie as a whole is V. average.

X-Men is the best, but not by much. All three are crap

DD has a long and awesome history of kicking seven bells out of people who mess with his girlfriends.

The movie was about the most box-checking generic slab of spandex tedium I've ever sat through, but it was nonetheless better than LXG, which is up there with the Roger Corman-produced FANTASTIC FOUR as worst superhero flick ever (and yeah, I've seen the JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA pilot. Twice.)

X-MEN is too short and the fight sequences aren't very well directed, but otherwise it's a creditable attempt to add a bit of gravitas and real-world analogues to an otherwise pretty silly core concept.

The JD movie is flawed but not actually *evil*.

J-Bo-1, fave comic movies GHOST WORLD, THE SPECIALS and MYSTERY MEN*.

*If only for the following exchange:
"What about Death Man?"
"Death Man is dead."

Is that boxset VHS or DVD?

Agree with Krestel, best comic movie probably is the Crow. Ghost World is great too. The X-films come after that.

Dredd film's not that bad.

But Ghost World rocks - best comics based film evah!

have just seen daredevil movie and am in two minds about it (please note that i have only ever read one daredevil comic).  on the one hand some of the fights were kind of cool, and daredevil doing his whole swinging through the buildings was kinda cool.  stan lee's cameo was not in the least bit annoying...but i just found the story to be really weak...they love each other after having a fight and chatting in the pissing rain?  and what about the kingpin???  if i'd never read a spiderman comic in my life i'd have zero insight into the character...he was in -what?- four scenes...?  that bullseye guy...what was his deal?

visually cool (i can look past all that leather) but the story i found to pe pish.........

My problem with Ghost World was I hated the book, then hated the film....

I don't get people saying X-Men felt like a trailer for X-Men 2 etc... I thought it stood really well on it's own, and it was a good apaption. Daredevil is pretty fun, flawed but fun. The commentary on the DVD shows just how much thought went into the movie.

The Crow rocked!!

I don't get people saying X-Men felt like a trailer for X-Men 2 etc... I thought it stood really well on it's own, and it was a good apaption.

i would go so far as to say that x1 was better than x2.  my dad, who thinks he's an authority on x-men despite the fact he hasn't read it since 1968 says the first one is shit.  yes, x2 has a better story and is a bigger film, with special effects and cool bamfing, but i thought x1 got to the core of what the x-men is all about, and that's what i'm looking for in these movies.

Stan Lee had a cameo in Daredevil? Where?
 Damn, that`s two Stan Lee cameo`s I`ve missed. Hi superpower seems to be being invisible in cameos.

yours not in tights

Floyd

ps The main effect of Daredevil on my family was that my son spent a bit of time trying to submerge himself in the bath so he could `sleep like Daredevil`

Stan was the old guy that the young Matt Murdock stopped from stepping out in front of a passing truck, during the origin section of the movie.
It's kind of reassuring to see Stan the man in these movies nowadays, like a seal of approval.
Although he was in Hulk, too, and that was hooerishly bad.

Stan was the old guy that the young Matt Murdock stopped from stepping out in front of a passing truck, during the origin section of the movie.
It's kind of reassuring to see Stan the man in these movies nowadays, like a seal of approval.
Although he was in Hulk, too, and that was hooerishly bad.

Double post?

EH?

Strangely I watched DD the movie on Saurday and although it wasnt great.  Its perfectly watchable and its one of the few films Ben Awful is too awful in.  As a caveat Ive only ever red a half dozen DD comics.

I think Ive stated before that x-men is one of the worst movies Ive ever seen.  The plot is like something from the 1950's.  I mean deus ex machina device that kills everyone, I thought comics had moved on....  Ive seen the film 2 or 3 times and I dont think I can watch it again.  X2 on the other hand I can watch repeatedly.  So go figure..

Slips
 

is stan lee in x2, coz i'v never spotted him.....

The problem with Daredevil is it's about 90 minutes too short and becomes completely ludicrous in the middle. With all the story they were trying to tell they copped out and left out most of the content. Started well, ended badly, made you feel like nothing happened at all.

I almost thought it was going to be a better version of Batman.

Guy Pearse was the original choice for DD but turned it down.

The problem with Judge Dredd is it's 2 hours too long, the most miserable day in cinema history for me.

I thought Daredevil was painfully predictable; apart from Electra's death. Colin Farrell was good though. Anyone here from Ireland, however, knows he's from the poshest part of Dublin and learned his 'rough-and-ready-Northsider' accent somewhere in Hollywood. Is Bullseye really meant to be Irish, by the way? Never really read the comics.
I was impressed by Spiderman 2, though. Never saw Spiderman 1, but I read the comics as a kid. Jonah Jameson was excellent in the film.

>Jonah Jameson was excellent in the film.

In S-M 1 & 2 JJJ steals every scene he appears in.

[YT-2]

I wouldn't call Castleknock the poshest part of Dublin, it's a nice area yeah, but it's not that posh and it's on the Northside; if you want posh go to Donnybroook, Foxrock or Killiney, some people don't even have Irish accents at all there but upper class Anglo ones or the dreaded Dartline drawl -which seems to be everywhere these days. The Bastards.

"the dreaded Dartline drawl"

That'd be the same posh-as-fuck Dart that stops in Kilbarrick?  Plenty of regular folks on the Dart, dontchano.  And penty of posh folks in Castleknock too.  

Killiney and Foxrock, I'll give you, no contest. The big question is, to what extent are all these accents deliberately affected, and to what extent are they legitimately inherited?  Is it reasonable to expect someone from the lush-suburbia end of Rathfarnham to naturally speak the same way as someone from the Liberties?  Is it better that they consciously adopt a (a la Farrell) a Barrytown brogue?  Are we just practicisng reverse-snobbery here?  And what the fuck am I doing prattling on about this on the 2000AD board?

Ah, what the hell, Tordelbach, anything that sticks the boot into a Dub is good, clean, honest fun anywhere.
And anyway, it's not like Farrel doesn't deserve it.  I watched that Veronica Guerin (a hysterically bad film) the other day, and his accent seemed to have changed in that, and it was set in Dublin, too.  I think most of his brogue is an affectation.
Nowt wrong wi' that, mind.  If thick yanks want to throw money at him to put on a silly voice, that's THEIR problem, and he'd have to be bloody daft to correct them at this stage of the game.

That "accent" began to emerge about 20 years ago around south Dublin, namely: Dalkey to Foxrock, it slowly spread its tentacles across the city and further - I've now heard it spoke from Portmanock right down to Enniscorthy.

Generally, the accents of people around the centre of Dublin 4 are quite genuine and are just about proper pronunciation, it's when people become completely incomprehensible when they speak, that's the problem, and that's when you can tell it's been affected and not genuine, a cross between an American accent, a posh Dublin one and a horse, and it is HORRIBLE.

If Farrell's parents speak with a regular Dublin accent well then I'd say fair enough, his accent could be genuine, kids generally sound and speak the way the household does, unless someone chooses deliberately to change it.

In fact I know plenty of people from Castleknock who speak like Farrell and it's the accent they grew up with, I think it's more farrell's faux loutishness that bugs people, not the accent. After all, he's still just a poncy actor -maybe he can't handle that thought.

I enjoyed Daredevil and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as throw-away Hollywood fluff. They're not fantastic, but I could watch them again on a rainy afternoon and be entertained.

Proabably the only comics film that annoys me is the Dredd one, as it changes so much of the essence of the character. But, again, as a Hollywood offering, it wasn't all bad, IMO.
It was never going to be as good as the comic, was it?
I suppose From Hell is a bit more shite, but pretty much falls into the same category.

As I'm always saying round here, my favourite comic films include Unbreakable - for the mood and the lovely pay-off - and Mystery Men, which is sheer genius.

"I shovel well. I shovel real well."

But I've also enjoyed both X-Men and Spiderman films.

- Trout

Point taken, Castleknock is not as posh as Killiney, Dalkey etc., and maybe Colin Farrell really does talk like that. Just practising the standard Irish begrudgery of success which is my God-given right. While I'm not totally convinced by his bad-boy druggy image, he's a bloody good actor and stole the show in Daredevil. And I've met the bloke who shot him in 'Intermission'. Also, I'm genuinely curious - was Bullseye Irish in the comics? I only read the Frank Miller graphic novel, and can't remember it.
'Me haaands! They took away me haaaaands!'

Ah, guys, guys...! Enough with the Killiney and Dalkey bashing! As a former postman who worked in that area I can tell you that there are parts of both Killiney and Dalkey where someone is considered posh if they can speak a whole sentence without using the F-word, and where if a girl isn't pregnant by the time she's fifteen she's ostracised for being a snob.

Granted there ARE parts that do deserve the "West Britain" label, but that's true of pretty much everywhere in Dublin.

But getting back to Colin Farrell's accent... At times it's pretty ropey, but he's still far, far better than any Americans attempting to do the same. Consider Richard Gere in The Jackal, Michael J. Fox and Lea Thompson in Back to the Future Part 3... Not good! And now consider Joe Virtelli in Shallow Hal - surely the worst "Oirish" accent ever? Or can anyone think of a worse one?

- Mike

Sean Connery in the Untouchables....

Slips

Can I mention Sean Connery's total lack of effort on his accent in The Untouchables?

Not that it matters! I love that film.

- Trout

"What about the Untouchables?"
"I don't rate that at all."
"Despite the Acadamy Award?"
"That means fuck all; it's a sympathy vote."

"Can I mention Sean Connery's total lack of effort on his accent in The Untouchables?"

Shouldn't that read

Can I mention Sean Connery's total lack of effort on his accent in any of his films at all.

He sounded identical in Highlander when he played a Spaniard
He sounded identical in a film I saw where he played an Arab
I'm sure he's played lots of over forigners with the same accent of his, unbending as a steel girder in the breeze

But if he put on an accent, we'd all notice and complain wouldn't we?

Can't we get George Lucas do do a spcial Edition of the Dredd movie ;)  He can do what he likes with it as far as I'm concerned.  Stick some ewoks in, the lot.

By far the best suggestion of the day!  You could get Ian McDiarmuid to redub Stallone's lines for a start.  Instead of "I knew you'd say that!" we could have "Everything is proceeding excactly as I have foreseen it".  

Genius!

Dredd, ewoks, Jar Jar and we're there!

- Trout

a russian with a scottish accent in the hunt for red october always confused me...if he cant to different accents he's not much of an actor...i never rated him very highly in the first place......

I *loathed* Ghost World.  Enid is such a horrible, clueless person I just could not care less what happened to her.  She can't even hack it boxing popcorn at the movie theatre - she's the person who, in the real world, actually makes your moviegoing experience miserable, and we're supposed to care about her class project at summer school?

It's like making a movie about the idiot who takes a call on his cell phone two rows away or brings their six month-old baby to the movies or put mayo on your sandwich when you didn't order it.  I don't want to see movies about them either.

Mystery Men, however, was wonderful.  Hellboy, X-Men 2 and both Spider-Man films as well.

--Grant

It's GOLD!

Yeah, Farrell is a bloody good actor, the writer of "Intermission", Mark O'Rowe, is a friend of mine and he visited the set a few times when they were shooting the film; the one thing he said was that Farrell was blowing everybody away with his performance and that was without even seeing any film dailies; purely on performance he's that good. Although I thought n the end it was Colm Meaney's film.

My friend said the director completely fucked up the film though -and later admitted it himself- he'd never directed a film before and basically had no eye for a good shot or sequence.

hunt for red october is on the tell right now.

'itsh an honor teh serve wi' ye....fer forty years, yer father before ye...'

cue singing in russian

'...let them shing...'